[RockHard]

(06-07-2014 04:21 PM)Byron Wrote:  

6/6/2014

9 Approaches

2 Boyfriend Objections

0 Too Young

0 Blow Outs

5 "Soft Nexts"

0 instant dates - 2 numbers

*Session #4 Query: girl talked to me, held my hand, was totally comfortable with my touch, started asking me for logistics i.e. where I live, what time I need to be home, etc. BUT when I asked her to come with me to get a drink (instant night-date) she said IHAB. She didn't bring it up until about 7 minutes in while were holding hands and walking down the street together. Wow. I persisted 5 or 6 times. She was adamant, even though she was smiling and obviously having a good time. When we parted ways, I watched her and she looked back three times with a huge grin on her face. Was that IHAB b.s. or not? And why wait until so late to bring it up? I was Dr. Octopus from the get go.

Just going on a wild guess it's real. I'm guessing that you might have been able to pull her home directly.

You could use a little more detail in your logs. What did you say to IHAB? How did you persist? If she gives you IHAB once but doesn't eject, that's a sign. I wouldn't persist, just ignore the IHAB. What were the logistics like for a drink? If you actually have to get in a car and go somewhere, that breaks the spell. If you can go home and you've got a pad set up with drinks & something to do as a pretense to hang out, then your logistics are solved. For a girl in a mood, all she needs is a pretense.

Great work on getting numbers & a date, you're doing awesome.

[Byron]

(06-12-2014 11:35 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

You could use a little more detail in your logs. What did you say to IHAB?

Me: Sorry dear, couldn't hear you! Hey, come to the bar with me

(06-12-2014 11:35 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

How did you persist?

Me: Let's go, just for 1 drink.
Her: Nooooo, I can't LOL. Where do you live?
Me: In XYZ. *squeeze her hand and start pulling her to to subway with me* It'll be so much fun - just one drink...let's go!!
Her: HAHAHAHA, nooooooo

(06-12-2014 11:35 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

What were the logistics like for a drink?

I'm not old enough to drink ...you bring up a good point. I don't have logistics. Like at all. For any girl I'd have to go to her house. Once, I instant dated an older girl (23) to a bar. They let me in since she was older so I was thinking this could work again...maybe.

(06-12-2014 11:35 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

Great work on getting numbers & a date, you're doing awesome.

Thank you! I took a break because I suddenly felt empty after having that date. It was weird. Going out tonight.

[Byron]

4 Day Challenge

No cellphone for the next four days. I'll still have it with me but I'll be damned if I'm taking numbers.

[Byron]

Die trying.

[Byron]

My First Dance

Danced with a girl for the first time. She rubbed her butt against my crotch so hard that it felt like I had severe rug burn for a while after . Very arousing. Felt like meditating, only better...also, my boner was full fledged - is that bad/not cool?

[Cobra]

^^^ I think it's cool with most of the members here.

Is it cool with her? Do you care?

She should take it as a good sign since you're aroused by her.

[Parlay44]

(06-15-2014 05:27 PM)Byron Wrote:  

My First Dance

Danced with a girl for the first time. She rubbed her butt against my crotch so hard that it felt like I had severe rug burn for a while after . Very arousing. Felt like meditating, only better...also, my boner was full fledged - is that bad/not cool?

[Byron]

(06-15-2014 06:13 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

^^^ I think it's cool with most of the members here.

Is it cool with her? Do you care?

She should take it as a good sign since you're aroused by her.

She didn't seem to mind too much...We hung out more for the rest of the night. You're right - I was aroused by her and her ridiculous personality (sadly, I'm noticing that I might be attracted to crazy women). Just checking with you guys to make sure it wasn't some sort of Game faux pas

Actually, I broke my "no taking numbers" rule because she asked if I wanted hers multiple times () . I think if one of you guys were me, it could have been a lay. I had zero logistics though and to be honest, I wimped out on going for the kiss; instead I just rested my head against hers (while directly facing each other) for a second. She never moved.

[Byron]

(06-15-2014 08:06 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 05:27 PM)Byron Wrote:  

My First Dance

Danced with a girl for the first time. She rubbed her butt against my crotch so hard that it felt like I had severe rug burn for a while after . Very arousing. Felt like meditating, only better...also, my boner was full fledged - is that bad/not cool?

[Byron]

4 Day Challenge Summary

Going out with the rule of "no phone numbers" was good for reframing my mindset in some ways and horrible for my progress in other ways.

Benefits: I think I approached women with more conviction and forced myself to stay in conversation longer. I still have this weird tendency to run away from interactions too early sometimes, even if they're doing ok. Also, in a club setting I think that "no numbers" has less drawbacks because there's so much time for you and a girl to get to know each other. I hung out for a few hours with a two set that I opened and the girl I was interested in asked me for my number several times, so I broke the rule for her. This, I imagine, is less likely on a five to seven minute street stop.

Cons: By the same token, I think it is a bad strategy to use all the time, especially since my goal is Daygame mastery. During the day the average interaction was so much shorter that "no numbers" felt like a handicap at times. The value for Daygame was more so about screening. I was much more motivated to screen each girl when I knew I couldn't take her number. This meant touching even sooner than I already normally do.

Lessons Learned For My Daygame

1. Even though I am already touchy as it is, I can touch even faster with women that are interested in me. However, I need to be more calibrated with the touches and follow a slower progression during the day. Emphasize hand touching/holding more.

2. I need to ease into my interactions more. I didn't realize just how long five minutes actually is. My flake rate might go down if I just delay interactions a bit longer.

[Byron]

Awkward Phone Call

I texted back and forth with the girl from the club the day after meeting her. I then gave her a call today. Good Lord.

I felt so awkward that I hung up in under a minute.

Never go full retard.

...

Still waiting on my pulse to return to normal.

[Byron]

6/17/2014

6 Approaches

0 Boyfriend Objections

0 Too Young

1 Blow Out(s)

4 "Soft Nexts"

0 instant dates - 0 numbers

Game is a lonely sport.

[Parlay44]

You start to laugh at the blow outs after a while. It's fun to see women lose it like that

[Byron]

(06-18-2014 07:35 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You start to laugh at the blow outs after a while. It's fun to see women lose it like that

They're all like:

[Byron]

6/18/14

8 Approaches

1 Boyfriend Objections

0 Too Young

0 Blow Outs

4 "Soft Nexts"

1 instant dates - 1 number(s)

I definitely threw away three potential opportunities yesterday. One because I failed to persist when a woman gave me a b.s. excuse to go, yet stood staring at me. I could almost sense that it was a test. One, I failed to transition or ask her to stay on the platform and chat for a second. The third, I bailed out on like an idiot.



Game is hard enough. Why make things harder for yourself.

[Byron]

Approaches so far this month: appx. 70

Dates: 1

Lays:


Questions I Need to Answer About My Daygame

1. What am I doing wrong on instant dates?

• The only girl I've ever dated, we didn't go on an instant date. It was a 7 or 8 minute street stop. Of the 20+ instant dates I've gone on, despite sharing contact information and getting text replies I've never gotten a single one of them out on a date. This suggests that I'm not interesting and/or cool enough to follow up with after a 1 hour chat. In retrospect, my belief is that at my stage of development instant dates have all been due to girls having nothing to do rather than their explicit interest in my game or my glorious rod.
  

2. Why am I still working like a dog to get numbers?

• I have been following the advice in Krauser's daygame barriers post. I approach girls that look like reasonable targets based on my own attractiveness level. Most girls that I approach ask me two or three personal questions. Could it be that since I suggest a very specific date (smoothies, followed by a walk in the park) the girls take me seriously and don't waste my time? OR that I'm still just a street clown? OR that I would get farther if I just kept it vague and said "let's hang out, what's your number"
  

3. What should my default response be for when girls say that they're headed "home"?

• Girls are always "headed home." It's ridiculous. Though I've gotten much better at it, in general I still need to be more persistent with my opens - even when things are very shaky. I've noticed that saying "2 more minutes" is NOT as effective as saying, "okay, one more thing by the way blah blah blah." In some cases, I believe that the girl thinks I've run out of things to talk about, so she makes an excuse to go - not out of revulsion but to escape potential awkwardness. I still am working out the fine line between endless ramble and sexy pauses.
  

4. Are girls sometimes blowing themselves out when I approach them? When I suspect this, should I give a hard pull?

• Sometimes I cannot help but wonder if some girls (a very small minority) throw "IHAB," "I have to go," etc. not as tests but because of their own anxiety. Or they say no to my date suggestion because they're nervous about dating in general. I'm homely...still I think this happens occasionally. I just don't know how to handle it without turbo nuking my own value.
  

5. Will I ever master daygame? Besides my regular approaching and lifting, what else could I be doing in order to get better?

• I've read that it's better to ask yourself such a question rather than state outright that you "will" do/be something: the latter tricks your mind into feeling that it's accomplished the goal. At this point...I don't know what I could be doing drastically different to improve my results. Maybe it's time to revisit the basics.
  

My DNA Tugs

I've noticed that my strongest DNA tugs are

1. Muslim/Arabic Girls
2. Latinas
3. Dark Haired Anglo girls with dramatic features
   

Arabic is a hard ass language and I have a feeling that Muslim women are a tougher nut to crack unless they're already westernized (somebody correct me if wrong) so it looks like it's time to learn some Spanish.

Changing this thread format

I will now do a brief Field Report on every girl that I number close in addition to logging my number of approaches and etc.

[Byron]

Approaching Resumes Tomorrow Evening

Had a few hiccups. Regular approaching resumes tomorrow afternoon.

[Byron]

6/22/2014

2 Approaches

0 Boyfriend Objections

0 Too Young

0 Blow Outs

0 "Soft Nexts"

0 instant dates - 0 number(s)

Felt demotivated today.

[Byron]

6/23/2014

4 Approaches

0 Boyfriend Objections

0 Too Young

0 Blow Outs

0 "Soft Nexts"

0 instant dates - 2 number(s)

Number Close One:

*Two-set shopping in the mall
Me: You're looking to get a new computers?
Her: Yeah, I'm headed back to school again so Im thinking about a new one
Me: Oh cool, I'm actually thinking about grabbing a new one too. My mom just got that one, so you should like it
Her: Yeah blah blah blah
*We chat for about 6 or 7 minutes. Her friend slowly disappears. I close by suggesting a hangout at a specific place and text her 20 minutes later to check if it's a flake. Sure enough, I get no response. Forgot to flirt by complimenting her. I did give her a big hug though (for no real reason) and she hugged back.*

Number Close Two:

*Huge ass, used situational opener based on her shirt which says "ask me about it"
Me: What is it?
Her: Excuse me?
Me: What is it?
Her: What is what?
Me: Your shirt!
Her: OH, HAHAHAHA!
Me: You shouldn't rock it if you're not willing to give up the goods


*She number closes me by suggesting some sort of business service that she's involved in that she says I should try. ??? . I was definitely attracted to her but I think she is sincerely trying to turn me into a paycheck. She asked me to text her on the spot and then saved my number. I'll see where it goes.*


Synopsis

4 approaches and zero leads. I think I just might have to try Gio's method. There's few places nearby that are loaded with attractive broads during random mid-day hours. Roosh's article today explained my predicament to a "t."

[Byron]

6/24/14

Rest Day.

New Venue

Heading out soon to try some Giovanny game. Let's make some dreams (mine) come true!

[Byron]

Campus Game

Ghost town. Had to go elsewhere.

6/24/2014

7 Approaches

1 Boyfriend Objections

1 Too Young

0 Blow Outs

0 instant dates

0 number(s)

Yesterday's Number Closes

No response from number close 1. Number close 2 is a chick trying to get me to join some marketing scam (I googled it).

More power to you guys who can actually get results from daygame.

[Parlay44]

Don't worry so much about number closing. Go for the insta-date and keep the conversation light and fun. If you can get her to laugh you're good. If she asks you any kind of personal questions that's a green light. Push for a drink date later after work. The number is implied at that point.

[Byron]

(06-26-2014 07:59 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Don't worry so much about number closing. Go for the insta-date and keep the conversation light and fun. If you can get her to laugh you're good. If she asks you any kind of personal questions that's a green light. Push for a drink date later after work. The number is implied at that point.

Yeah, I remember you said that. Almost all number closes are after I suggest a specific date. For some reason chicks aren't asking me personal questions, regardless of bait. Imagine a 1 hour instant date where the chick doesn't ask a single question about you. Like wtf. I just suggest dates anyway.

[Parlay44]

An hour insta-date Sheesh. Dude an insta-date takes place in the time it takes to wait in line to pay for your groceries. If she's not interested in 5-10 minutes then she's not interested at all.

The exception is when you're slow rolling cashier girls. You insta-date them while they ring up your stuff. 5-10 minutes tops. You see them once a week for a month and on insta-date 3 or 4 you ask them to hang out.

[Byron]

6/26/2014

1 Approaches

1 Number Close

I approached indirect

Me: Hey, do you know if XYZ store is anywhere nearby
Her: Yeah, blah blah blah
Me: By the way, you've got a great voice. You sound super professional
Her: Haha thanks blah blah blah
Me: Yeah, future president over here

I give her a side hug and she squeezes back

We chat about her life, her job, her clubbing. I try to get her on an instant date:

Me: Hey, I'm about to head this store for 5 minutes to grab something. Come with me for a sec
Her: [long pause as if she's evaluating] I have to pick up my sister blah blah blah
Me: Oh, is she wilting outside in the sun right now, waiting for you to save her Smile
Her: Yah, she's been there all day blah blah blah
I persist twice, then back off. We talk for maybe 2 more minutes and then I say "bye" and start to walk off. She says:
Her: Maybe some other time though...
Me: [pull out my phone and give it to her]

She types in her info. This is around 6:30pm. I text her at 8:42pm:

Quote:

[name] good to meet you - bryonicmate

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