[Byron]

(06-26-2014 08:02 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

An hour insta-date Sheesh. Dude an insta-date takes place in the time it takes to wait in line to pay for your groceries. If she's not interested in 5-10 minutes then she's not interested at all.

The exception is when you're slow rolling cashier girls. You insta-date them while they ring up your stuff. 5-10 minutes tops. You see them once a week for a month and on insta-date 3 or 4 you ask them to hang out.

Lol, guess I learned that the hard way, P. Thanks though - I appreciate your insight/motivation. Serious

[Byron]

6/30/2014

10 approaches

3 Instant-Dates (5-10 minutes)

3 Number closes

Can't be arsed to write reports right now.

[Parlay44]

That's what I'm talking about

3 insta-dates and 3 numbers. Do you feel shortening the time helped you?

[Byron]

(06-30-2014 07:05 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

That's what I'm talking about

3 insta-dates and 3 numbers. Do you feel shortening the time helped you?

I think that your tip did help, especially because I didn't waste ALL my time on one lead.

[Byron]

Taking the First Step

Committing myself to learning a new language. Gonna take Roosh's advice and go for Spanish and Russian.

Since Spanish is easier, I'll become conversational (screw fluency) in that then after that go for conversational Russian.

All the research suggests that conversational Spanish takes around 3 years at an hour a day plus an intensive study abroad experience, so I'm in it for the long haul.

Trying to decide how to balance this with the gym, music study plus a job AND gaming. Lord. Definitely considering the traveler lifestyle though; thing is I'm not certain if the blog+book model is really enough to live off unless you reach the top .01%. Or if those guys are actually profiting from that alone.

[Travesty]

I have read some posts great job.

Just wanted to weigh in with instant dates. I think Gio goes for more connections and
numbers.

Instant dates have the backfire affect of losing tension unless alcohol or drugs is involved usually. Complete sobriety plus a long instant date is tough to escalate unless there is serious chemistry in which case anyways she would probably show up on a later date and be a Yes Girl.

Establishing more short time frame but strong connections seems like a better odds system for the Numbers Game than investing heavy time in a long sober instant date which also has the chance coming off as you are investing too much too fast. I would think psychologically as well get a few more solid number crunches rather than long instant date gives you a better DGAF attitude that is critical.

[Byron]

(07-01-2014 01:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I have read some posts great job.

Just wanted to weigh in with instant dates. I think Gio goes for more connections and
numbers.

Instant dates have the backfire affect of losing tension unless alcohol or drugs is involved usually. Complete sobriety plus a long instant date is tough to escalate unless there is serious chemistry in which case anyways she would probably show up on a later date and be a Yes Girl.

Establishing more short time frame but strong connections seems like a better odds system for the Numbers Game than investing heavy time in a long sober instant date which also has the chance coming off as you are investing too much too fast. I would think psychologically as well get a few more solid number crunches rather than long instant date gives you a better DGAF attitude that is critical.

Hey, thank you for the advice man. 100% accurate on the IDGAF attitude from a short interaction. Man, I was so pissed after I wasted an hour chatting with that girl. Not because of one-itis but because I could have approached like 3 other girls.

[Byron]

Texting Update

I texted Girl number one immediately after parting from the instant date on Monday. I had suggested a date later in the evening, around 7, to which she said "maybe. I have some studying to do..." To which I said "oh, then I'll have to save you from your boring school work!" and gave her a big hug.

The message:

Quote:

Me: Nice meeting you [name]
*one minute later*
Her: You too

I decide not to go for the date same day and text her:

Quote:

Me: [name], hey; something's come up. Are you free another day this week- say Wednesday?
*I sent this on Monday at 6pm*

No response, nor do I expect one at this point.

Looking back, I approached direct, used plenty of kino, and she reciprocated readily and easily. Trying to think where I screwed up.

Maybe I failed two shit tests? At one point she walked away in a different direction (albeit headed to the same place). I slowly walked the same way and she slowed down after a while to rejoin me [by the way, Krauser talks about stuff like this. finally saw it in the flesh]. After that I threw my arm around her shoulder and she rubbed her ass against my thigh as we continued strutting.

Then, before asking for her number I suggested she accompany me into lobby for just a sec. She said she really had to go, so that's when I suggested the evening date and then number closed. Maybe I should have imposed myself more there? Of course that would have extended the instant-date to around 15 minutes...maybe twenty, so that could have been bad.

I've had several interactions like this where there was obvious reciprocation of touch, vocalization of my interest ("you have a very sexy butt by the way"), investment on her part in the form of an instant date, quick reply to texting...then the girl goes blank on the date suggestion.

Feels like I must be making the same mistake, somewhere.

[bojangles]

I think that was a SDL opportunity, she wanted you to impose and lead. It's happened to me often, don't worry about it, it's because you're promoting yourself as R Selection, not following through and then pushing a K selection strategy. She's attracted to you for the bang, not as a potential bf

[Travesty]

(07-01-2014 08:13 PM)bojangles Wrote:  

I think that was a SDL opportunity, she wanted you to impose and lead. It's happened to me often, don't worry about it, it's because you're promoting yourself as R Selection, not following through and then pushing a K selection strategy. She's attracted to you for the bang, not as a potential bf

bojangles, could you weigh in on what you think of longer sober instant dates. Also what you think the classic signs are during an instant date she is DTF if there is no drinking/drugs involved?

Is there a time limit you set in your head like around 30-60 min. where you just roll the dice and suggest going back to your or her place?

I have never had a SDL because when I day game almost 99% of the time the girl or I have a short time constraint.

[Giovonny]

(07-01-2014 01:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Just wanted to weigh in with instant dates. I think Gio goes for more connections and
numbers.

I have a weird opinion of "Insta-Dates"..

I don't care about them. I think they are slightly overrated.

For me, the approach itself is an "Insta-date". If I approach a girl and we have a nice chat, that is essentially the same thing as an "insta-date".

If the approach goes well, I will start touching her, flirting with her, making plans to hang out with her, kiss her, etc.

I don't really feel a strong need to move her to another location.

I can usually tell if a girl likes me or not in the first few minutes of conversation.

If she doesn't like me after talking to me for a few minutes, I don't think moving her to another location will make her like me..

My approaches are my "insta-dates".. I try to build comfort, connection and attraction in the first few minutes of conversation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to doing "insta-dates", I just don't think that they are really necessary for my style of game.

Instead of doing an "insta-date' with one girl. I would rather approach 5 more girls.

*****

"Insta-dates" can be good or bad, depending on your overall game and "date game".

"Insta-dates" are the same thing as 1st dates, you have to have some game and some "date game".

The date can go well or the date can go bad.

*****

That said,

I do "insta-dates" occasionally..

Here are a few examples:

I was walking through a major university campus about 2 days before graduation.. I see a cute light skinned black girl in a tennis skirt with beautiful toned legs and a great butt walking right towards me.. She is holding a tennis racket..

I go into a building to hide from her and as she is walking past the building.. I walk out and position myself right in front of her..

me: hey is that tennis or badminton?
her: oh hey its tennis
me: you're going to play now?
her: yup
me: where are the courts around here?
her: just about a block away, but im going to hit against the wall by myself
me: oh damn, i wish i had my racket i would play with you.
her: i have 2 rackets
me: haha really, ok, ill play you, let me go to my car and change clothes
her: ok

10 minutes later we were playing tennis. We played for an hour and then I took her number.

She is 18 years old.

---

Here is another one from the dorms at a local university. I see a cute girl walking right towards me with her headphones on. Mixed looking, maybe asian/white, young, petite body..

Just as she gets to me, I touch her arm..

me: hey, what are you listening too?
her: sorry, my headphones were on
me: i was just asking what you were listening too, it looks like you are listening to the chili peppers.
her: oh no, but i love the chili peppers.
me: people say i look like the lead singer
her: omg, you do look like him
me: whats his name?
her" oh i forget
me: so what are you listening to today?
her: the deltones
me: oh i've never heard of them, can i listen?
her: sure

I put one of her headphones in my ear. The music is okay.

me: oh that is cool, i gotta check them out.
her: my favorite right now
me: what are you doing right now?
her: just going for a walk
me: oh thats nice, to where?
her: i don't know, just around campus
me: thats cool, you ever go to the beach?
her: not really, i don't have a car

Blah, Blah, Blah...We chat for a few minutes. Finally, she says this..

her: i'm kind of an alcoholic
me: haha really?
her: ya
me: well, i kind of feel like having a drink, wanna get some wine and hang out?
her: well, im only 18
me: no prob, i can buy it trader joes and we can put it in gatorade bottles
her: oh good idea
me: lets go to joes

We go to Trader Joes and get the wine. Then we walk to the top of this tower with a cool view. We hang out and drink. Other students are up there smoking weed. They let us hit some of their weed. After an hour or so, we are pretty tipsy. I start rubbing her hand and rubbing her back, I lean in and caress her ear and neck with my lips, she gives no resistance and seems into it. We start walking back to campus.

her: i have to go by my dorm room real quick.
me: okay

As soon as we get into the elevator I make my move, the elevator door closes and we start making out. We get to her room and its on, heavy make out, clothes start coming off, my cock is in her hand.

Beautiful, tight, young body. Half Filipino, half white.

I start to take her pants off. There is a knock at the door. Her fat roommate. Fuck!!!

I invite her to my house for dinner. We eat a little, I try to bang, she won't let me. The alcohol is wearing off. She ask me to take her home. I take her number, I text her a few days later, she never gets back to me.

*****

Don't get me wrong, if you can do "insta-dates", do them!

Just the experience and practice alone will be beneficial to most guys.

[Byron]

Hey guys thanks for the advice here! You haven't seen me for a bit because I went through a brief period of game revulsion - a.k.a. being a whiny pussy. I still did one approach a day but surely you've been in that mode where your heart just wasn't in it; for a moment I actually lost a lot of respect for women and found myself thinking that I'll never get game, I'm forever damned, etc. Logging in for the first time today.

Anyway, I'll be going through these now

[Byron]

(07-01-2014 08:13 PM)bojangles Wrote:  

I think that was a SDL opportunity, she wanted you to impose and lead. It's happened to me often, don't worry about it, it's because you're promoting yourself as R Selection, not following through and then pushing a K selection strategy. She's attracted to you for the bang, not as a potential bf

Wow.....you just made me feel a lot better LOL. I hope that was it. Have you read Daygame Mastery, btw? I was reviewing it and Krauser talks about that. This never clicked in my head until you mentioned that though

I was definitely pushing "let's do it now." I even asked for logistics

[Kxty33]

Byron, just out of curiosity, how selective are you with the chicks you are approaching with your Daygame Log? What range of chicks are you gaming in this log? 8-10? 7-10? or anyone above a 5??? just curious. thanks.

Keep up the good work! I enjoy reading your Daygame log!

[Byron]

(07-02-2014 01:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 01:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Just wanted to weigh in with instant dates. I think Gio goes for more connections and
numbers.

I have a weird opinion of "Insta-Dates"..

I don't care about them. I think they are slightly overrated.

I don't really feel a strong need to move her to another location.


If she doesn't like me after talking to me for a few minutes, I don't think moving her to another location will make her like me..

So you've pointed out something interesting because my thinking was if I could get her to move...then it would be a sign she likes me. Clearly it hasn't, so maybe you have a point.

(07-02-2014 01:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

My approaches are my "insta-dates".. I try to build comfort, connection and attraction in the first few minutes of conversation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to doing "insta-dates", I just don't think that they are really necessary for my style of game.

Instead of doing an "insta-date' with one girl. I would rather approach 5 more girls.

Amen to your last point, Gio. I get so frustrated sometimes because I slaved over a pot for 30 minutes then she became a flake. Not mad because she flaked but because I missed out on maybe 3 or 4 other chances while she was cooking

(07-02-2014 01:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

"Insta-dates" can be good or bad, depending on your overall game and "date game".

"Insta-dates" are the same thing as 1st dates, you have to have some game and some "date game".

The date can go well or the date can go bad.

Don't get me wrong, if you can do "insta-dates", do them!

Just the experience and practice alone will be beneficial to most guys.

Yeah, as frustrating as it is, you make a good point because I have seen benefits from all these failures.

[Byron]

(07-05-2014 09:55 PM)Kxty33 Wrote:  

Byron, just out of curiosity, how selective are you with the chicks you are approaching with your Daygame Log? What range of chicks are you gaming in this log? 8-10? 7-10? or anyone above a 5??? just curious. thanks.

Keep up the good work! I enjoy reading your Daygame log!

Thank you man. I approach any girl that I think is cute. Sometimes she might be a bit thick but she has a cute face. Other times, she has an average face and a killer booty. Sometimes she's cute but she has a weird lisp and is very opinionated. Or maybe she's plain but dresses very well.

As long as she passes the boner test, she's getting my best game (which ain't all that great yet); therefore, I've approached and been rejected by plenty of average chicks, including a few fatties

If a "5" is the standard for a boner test passer, then I approach all 5's and up

[Kxty33]

hahaha, good for you, bro! That is the only way to sharpen your game and get over any fear of rejection. Glad to hear it, man! I wish I had your guts!

[Blackliter]

I recently had a really long insta-date, not by my choice, just by the situation and location. We might be hanging out again, but I didn't put any moves on her because it was such a long insta-date..(zoo). Ill let you know if it was a good decision to wait and escalate after alcohol or if I should've gone for her already..

[Byron]

(07-06-2014 08:16 AM)Blackliter Wrote:  

I recently had a really long insta-date, not by my choice, just by the situation and location. We might be hanging out again, but I didn't put any moves on her because it was such a long insta-date..(zoo). Ill let you know if it was a good decision to wait and escalate after alcohol or if I should've gone for her already..

Do it, bro. Good luck

[Byron]

7/8/2014

6 Approaches

1 Boyfriend Objection

0 instant date

0 numbers

Trying to find a solution for zero personal questions asked about me

9 months - about 700 daygame cold approaches now - and only 1 platonic date to show for it. The more I reflect on getting that date, the more it feels like it was just a lucky draw. Nothing about my process had changed.

I keep asking myself "how can I improve my results so I can just get another date" or "what am I not doing that would get me better responses from women?"

Right now one of my biggest challenges is that it seems like no woman is interested in asking me a personal question. I can't think of a girl that I've number closed recently who's asked me a personal question. I can't even remember if that girl I went on one date with asked me one. None of those girls that I instant dated cared to ask one either.

My bait ("when I was overseas", "where I'm from", "in my culture", "my friend from Vietnam", "you must be in college") NONE of it works. I've stopped trying. Chicks wont even ask me, "what are you doing here?"

So how do I fix this? I can get girls to move with me, yet these same women won't even ask me my name. I think solving this could get rid of those instant dates to nowhere.

[Boot103]

I'm enjoying the logs.

I'm no expert and someone will correct me if I'm wrong but why not try a bit more Night Game ? See where that leads?

How about finding a wingman ? See if any Players are in your area ? Watch some you-tube videos of in field approaches.

[Captain Gh]

What type of game r u using? R u doing indirect of direct style game? I might be wrong, but I believe that from 700+ approaches getting 1 date while not being wholly satisfied with the process doesn't sound to appealing. Game is really hard like Krauser mentioned, but there might be something else in your case. Not trying to scare you away from Daygaming, just trying to give you some advice as a fellow Daygamer to see you progressing.

[Parlay44]

I agree with the wingman idea. You may be giving off some kinda creepy or needy vibe gaming solo. A wingman gives you some social proof and does half the work for you. Give it a try.

[Byron]

(07-08-2014 08:40 PM)Boot103 Wrote:  

I'm enjoying the logs.

I'm no expert and someone will correct me if I'm wrong but why not try a bit more Night Game ? See where that leads?

How about finding a wingman ? See if any Players are in your area ? Watch some you-tube videos of in field approaches.

Thanks man. Not a fan of the night, only because it affects sleep + gym. Plus, let's just say my personality is my greatest asset. By far

You make a good point about the wingman, if only to help keep up motivation.

[Byron]

(07-08-2014 10:03 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

What type of game r u using? R u doing indirect of direct style game? I might be wrong, but I believe that from 700+ approaches getting 1 date while not being wholly satisfied with the process doesn't sound to appealing. Game is really hard like Krauser mentioned, but there might be something else in your case. Not trying to scare you away from Daygaming, just trying to give you some advice as a fellow Daygamer to see you progressing.

Yeah...thanks man

The hotter the girl, the more direct I am; the more average looking she is, the more indirect. Everything from "Hey, excuse me - you are sexy. What's your name?" to "Do you know where JcPenny is? I'm trying to buy something expensive!"