[Byron]

(07-08-2014 10:44 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I agree with the wingman idea. You may be giving off some kinda creepy or needy vibe gaming solo. A wingman gives you some social proof and does half the work for you. Give it a try.

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You make a good point. I could see a needy vibe leaking out...game feels like isolation at times. Maybe I come across as too eager to make a connection sometimes, true.

Really hope I'm not sending out the slenderman alarm during the day.

[Blackliter]

Hey, i'm experiencing the same thing as you and I've already gone out with fellow rooshers and such. tbh its a lot dependent on luck. I'm at 150ish approaches and I haven't had anything work out either. I've had fellow rooshers critique and idk man, it's much harder than people make it seem on the forum. i'm the kind of guy that gets friend zoned.

the players.. well it comes easy for them because girls want guys in demand... which hurts beginners. I would tell you to keep chugging but im starting to have doubts myself. Can't imagine 700 with no results, 150 is enough to put doubts..


oh and the girl I went on an insta-date and tried to get her out again.. didn't happen. she was a 9 so I should've moved on her in the moment.

[Byron]

(07-09-2014 09:30 PM)Blackliter Wrote:  

Hey, i'm experiencing the same thing as you and I've already gone out with fellow rooshers and such. tbh its a lot dependent on luck. I'm at 150ish approaches and I haven't had anything work out either. I've had fellow rooshers critique and idk man, it's much harder than people make it seem on the forum. i'm the kind of guy that gets friend zoned.

the players.. well it comes easy for them because girls want guys in demand... which hurts beginners. I would tell you to keep chugging but im starting to have doubts myself. Can't imagine 700 with no results, 150 is enough to put doubts..


oh and the girl I went on an insta-date and tried to get her out again.. didn't happen. she was a 9 so I should've moved on her in the moment.

Keep going dude! I feel you on the doubts. Still, we could be African bushmen worrying about elephants eating our crops or something. At least you're getting occasional positive feedback so it's a sign you're headed in the right direction. I've never instant dated a 9

[Byron]

Had to take a break.i was feeling burnt out from all the rejection

7/14/14 - Mall game

5 approaches
0 instant dates
1 number

For the Number close

Opener: "Has anyone ever told you that you walk with a ton of swagger?"

She asked me zero personal questions and said she was too busy for an instant date. I suggested we "hang out Thurs. or Friday." She said "Sure" which shocked me because I thought she was trying to escape. She actually looked surprised at herself as well lol.Then we exchanged numbers.

Not expecting much.

[bojangles]

Sorry mate, I've been off the forum for a while. Persistence is key, daygame is not fucking easy. However one thing, don't let the case of needing wingman to social proof etc create negative thoughts in your head about being needy and creepy. One thing about daygame is being socially adjusted, you could easily pretend you have a friend who is shopping or whatever if need to. Think of it in terms of an ancient mating ritual, you're doing as a man should do, get your subcommunication on point. In fact I'd recommend you listen to a recent audio Krauser put up on his blog. He's walking around solo too.

[Parlay44]

Mall game should be perfect for an insta-date. If she's working there she has to interact with you.
If you're smooth enough you can game her while she helps you find your size. You ask her opinion on
style and what goes together. Just have fun with it.

You can get her to meet you for a smoke or a coffee on her break. There's tons of ways.

[Byron]

(07-16-2014 06:34 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Sorry mate, I've been off the forum for a while. Persistence is key, daygame is not fucking easy. However one thing, don't let the case of needing wingman to social proof etc create negative thoughts in your head about being needy and creepy. One thing about daygame is being socially adjusted, you could easily pretend you have a friend who is shopping or whatever if need to. Think of it in terms of an ancient mating ritual, you're doing as a man should do, get your subcommunication on point. In fact I'd recommend you listen to a recent audio Krauser put up on his blog. He's walking around solo too.

Yeah, game has made me a liar that way

[Byron]

(07-16-2014 06:51 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Mall game should be perfect for an insta-date. If she's working there she has to interact with you.
If you're smooth enough you can game her while she helps you find your size. You ask her opinion on
style and what goes together. Just have fun with it.

You can get her to meet you for a smoke or a coffee on her break. There's tons of ways.

True P. I've been trying man - no luck so far

[Byron]

Game in 30

[Byron]

Six approaches so far. 1 number close. She has a boyfriend...it didn't seem like she was rejecting me though, the way she framed it. It was weird. Don't know if I want to go there or not. She was bangin' though.


Think I'll just use it as ego motivation for the next few sets.

[Parlay44]

(07-16-2014 03:44 PM)Byron Wrote:  

Six approaches so far. 1 number close. She has a boyfriend...it didn't seem like she was rejecting me though, the way she framed it. It was weird. Don't know if I want to go there or not. She was bangin' though.


Think I'll just use it as ego motivation for the next few sets.

That's a classy broad right there. There's a right and a rude way to reject a guy.
She handled it well. The male ego is very fragile and all that good shit

[Byron]

7/16/14

8 approaches

5 IHAB/Engaged (all around the 5 minute mark)

0 instant dates

1 phone number but she has a long-term boyfriend. I asked her if she was "on the marriage track already" to gauge her investment. She said "yeah...hopefully, we've been together for a few years." I wont pursue it. Took the number out of habit really. It felt weird not to ask.

However, it was a fun approach. I walked up to her car and stopped her while she was driving up to a pay meter to get out of a parking garage. It was during rush hour so I inconvenienced several people driving behind her for a minute or two and then managed to get her to park over to the side so we could chat.

Think that won me points because she was noticeably prettier than I am handsome and yet she was the first girl in ages to actually ask me a personal question. Reminded me of one of Chateau's latest posts, because, relatively speaking, I was "punching above my weight."

I'm really tired of game.

[Parlay44]

I feel your pain when you say you're tired of game. It's work. For real.

That last post about the girl that rejected you nicely. That really spoke to me. You have to find classy "women" like that. They know how to handle themselves properly in social situations. It makes me want them more when they turn me down in that way. It's hard to explain unless you've been there.

Learn to feel them out when you talk to them. They're very cool and a lot of fun in every way.

[Byron]

7/17/2014

5 Approaches

2 Number Closes

1 Instant Date

Lesson for today: remember to call out the elephant in the room. It makes the lizards swoon

Cliffnotes

The first girl that I number closed, I texted immediately after meeting. She texted back in under a minute. I didn't send anything else. We'll see if she cares to reply tomorrow. I approached her semi-direct

Opener: "Hi, I just saw you a second ago...and I knew I had to come say hello!"

The second girl that I number closed I had a 30 minute instant date with. Semi-direct.

Opener: "Hey, has anyone ever told you that you look like that chick from the pirates of the Caribbean? The evil one ."

I'll ping both in the mid-day tomorrow

[Byron]

(07-16-2014 08:51 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I feel your pain when you say you're tired of game. It's work. For real.

[Yes, so true. Fortunately, as my expectations adjust I feel like this is less work. Sad in some ways, stellar in others. Positive overall.]

That last post about the girl that rejected you nicely. That really spoke to me. You have to find classy "women" like that. They know how to handle themselves properly in social situations. It makes me want them more when they turn me down in that way. It's hard to explain unless you've been there.

[totally agree]

Learn to feel them out when you talk to them. They're very cool and a lot of fun in every way.

[yeah, I'm going out w/one of such girls tomorrow - platonic. Gonna hunt for other chicks with the luxury of a group to go back to during slow times]

[Byron]

I Approach The Stupidest Sets in The Worst Venues - Don't Do That!

Starting to realize that I kamikaze into the stupidest sets ever. When gaming, I go into a sort of "hunter's frenzy." I love chasing after running targets, opening two sets blatantly direct, and hitting on chicks in hijabs. Oddly, these girls seem to be the hottest.

Today, I opened a chick with her mom right as they were about to jump in their car, doors open and all. I was totally direct; her mother scowled at me with a thousand yard stare from behind her shocked (and pleased) daughter's back. She didn't dare interrupt us though . (Note: anybody get consistent results with two sets during the day? Though I've never closed one, I've also never been cock-blocked by the partner).Yesterday I stopped a chick in her car with traffic behind her. Last week I rolled down my window on the crowded highway and started hitting on the hot brunnette in the Honda next to me. When I get whiffs of woman that I like I just barrel into the set like a common pack animal - this has to stop. I'm at the point now where I should be more judicious and open sets with a higher likelihood of an actual conversation happening.

I'm going to focus on more discriminatory street game, more careful screening in indoor venues, and I might even start sacrificing some sleep again regularly for night street game/"gutterball game", as much as I hate it.

I've been clowning around like a horny golden retriever out in the field. I need to become a tuned K-9. Note for you guys who are new like me/suck like me. Check to see if you too are doing this a lot. I think this all stemmed from a need to prove to myself that I can open anything. While it doesn't explain all of my failures, I think it does handle a good portion of them. I had to "unfuck" myself from lots of issues.

[Byron]

Sickness over.

Gaming today

[Kickb]

The law of averages says you should be seeing some success soon.

[Byron]

(07-25-2014 09:05 PM)Kickb Wrote:  

The law of averages says you should be seeing some success soon.

LOL

[Byron]

Friday, 7/25/2014

5 Nighttime Street Approaches (Parking Lot/bus stop)

3 Phone Numbers

Opener Number 1: "Hey I saw you sitting here and I have to say...you look really sad right now." *Turns out she was just high as a kite. Still got the digits.*

Opener Number 2: "Hey, hold on...you're pretty cute. What's your name?"

Opener Number 3: "You know what...you look really cool right now. You've got that black shirt on, the laid back swagger, that devil may care air about you...you must be a rock and roller!"

Two of these girls were way pretty than I am handsome. I expect no text response from either. Experience has been ruthless that way.

None of them asked me a personal question. It's rare for that to happen, unless I'm in conversation for more than 30 minutes. Still can't understand what I'm doing wrong on that end.

[Byron]

Update and "Roosh Program" Reflection

No responses from any of those three numbers since my noon icebreaker text.

_____________________________________________________________

In total, I have done 120~ approaches (conservative estimate) in the last two months. That was an average of 4 approaches a day. I got 30 phone numbers. One in four women - 25% of my approaches - responded "yes" to my request for their contact information. Of these 30 women, 6 responded to my initial text. That's an average of 5 numbers to get 1 responder. Of the 5 women that responded to my initial message, 1 came out on a date: that's another 20% conversion rate. After we shared a drink and a walk in the park, I never heard from her again.


In total, I've tried over 500 times and failed each and every time to establish a connection. It sucks to have no SMV.

[game_ethic]

At least you're making an effort. Props to you.

What city do you live in?

[Travesty]

I would dig up Gmanifesto's Miami pick up stats, but I am too lazy.

He spent 10 weeks there.

Approached ~200 girls

Got ~70 numbers.

Banged ~12 girls

That is a 5% bang conversion rate 1 in 20 which in my mind is absolutely crushing it.

Krauser admits to a ~ 1 in 30-35 success rate (although he most likely only approaches hot girls and they are foreign, so nicer to game).

1 date is not a bad start for a fresh beginner.

2 dates within the next 100 approaches would be a great baseline goal.

5 dates or a bang would be outstanding.

I have seen with other complete newbies it takes to 300-500 approaches to really start hitting a stride.

[Byron]

@game_ethic

Thank you, man. I'm in DC.

@Travesty444

Thank you for sharing that dude. Yeah, given the circumstances those seem like reasonable goals. I'm on the way to game right now so I'll see what I can do

[Krauser]

I'd add a point, based on some blog I was reading last night where the writer was making a big deal out of his great ratio (something like one lay in six approaches):

1. He is very good-looking
2. He is young
3. He approached almost entirely girls who already gave him a massive come-on, mostly in clubs.
4. The girls were decent quality but no hotter than him (he posted vids)

That's how you get a good ratio. The problem is, it's of no use to someone who wants girls younger/hotter/tighter. Most men's problem is attraction. Guys with good ratios are always guys who already have attraction before they do a single thing.

If you're pushing it, 1 in 20 from cold approach (no come-on) is very good. 1 in 50 isn't too bad. And that's for men who are pretty good at it. Beginners can be happier with worse ratios.