[gandt]

Ignoring any sort of mental illness that may have played a factor, it is clear that this kid had an extremely toxic mentality.

1) He was a passenger in his own life

It is clear that the gunman felt as though he was continuously wronged by the world and there was nothing he could do about it. Metaphorically speaking, he was not in the drivers seat of his life direction. He had no concept of being able to change, improve, or adapt to his surroundings. Instead, each and every rejection sent him into a downward spiral of self-loathing and pity.

2) Externally based self-worth

He did not love himself. Plain in simple. His entire self-worth was based on how other people perceived him. How HE felt about himself was not even a factor.

It’s extremely sad to see this tragedy play out because even if all the insight in the world was spoon fed to this kid it's likely it still wouldn't have helped.

Ultimately, there are a couple lessons that can be drawn from this atrocity.

YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN LIFE. While life may not always be fair, there is always something you can do to improve your situation.

LOVE YOURSELF FIRST. How you feel about yourself is the single most important thing in human existence. When your self-worth comes from a car, lay-count, or other external items it is comparable to putting armour on a fragile ego.

[Pilgrim37]

I'm sure if he'd wanted to go down the hooker root he could have afforded to,..................but he wanted the "connection"..the feeling of a girl being attracted to him ,choosing him.

But actually paying for it first might have actually loosened him up a bit and prevented all this.Shame he didn't!

He hated guys as much as girls it seems...hated seeing slobs with hot chicks,as he said.
Seems he hated PUA too.

He should have been a slob for a while and see how it worked out!

Tragically for those killed...Something went wrong with his wiring...
Most guys have experienced that type of loneliness but work their way through it ...his response was just screwed

"I'm magnificent " ..who talks like that ? Idiot rappers maybe.

I do have a feeling looking into the USA from the outside that some High schools and Colleges must be social and sex starvation hell for some guys.

[Trim]

Yeah, that's an excellent point, he just wanted it all handed to him, and threw the ultimate tantrum. If there's one good thing about what happened, is that guys should look at this guy and not be him.

[Icarus]

Are his parents divorced? Was he raised by his biological mother, or by a step-mother?

Does anyone have information on that?

[speakeasy]

(05-24-2014 10:09 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I know the majority of this board is rabidly anti pay for play but seriously if every high school kid that couldn't get laid got a nice escort or two at some point around 15 or 16, I think the country would be a much happier place. Plus it would infuse red pill wisdom into young guys that women aren't all special princesses, and when they find out they aren't a tragedy like this won't happen.

A lot of guys here are saying P4P could've saved him. I doubt it. Guys like this aren't interested in P4P. He clearly said that he wants the validation and affection from a woman. P4P does not provide that. He truly wanted a girlfriend and romance and strolling arm in arm on the beach and all that stuff. P4P would be a completely hollow experience for a guy like this and wouldn't have done anything to fix his social inadequacies. Most late age virgins are well aware that prostitutes exists. He lives in Socal, he's 2 hour's drive from Tijuana where he could've gone crazy with whores, but that's clearly not what he's looking for.

(05-24-2014 10:29 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Some of his posts on PuaHate.com:

January 17, 2014:

Quote:

What choice do you have if you have no friends?

January 17, 2014:

Quote:

Today I drove through the area near my college and saw some things that were extremely rage-inducing.

I passed by this restaurant and I saw this black guy chilling with 4 hot white girls. He didn't even look good.

Then later on in the day I was shopping at Trader Joe's and saw an Indian guy with 2 above average White Girls!!!

What rage-inducing sights did you guys see today? Don't you just hate seeing these things when you go out? It just makes you want to quit life.

January 17, 2014:

Quote:

What are you doing on this forum? Do you just come here to brag to us starving incels of your sexual exploits? Get the hell out of here you demented bully.

January 24, 2014:

Quote:

NONE of them are fucking. Asian men are ugly pieces of shit.

This is another parallel with George Sodini. His diatribes were littered with racism and envy of non-white guys with white women.

[soup]

He was an asshole until the very end.

Good riddance.

edit: I do think he was crazy.. it's tragic too bad his problem couldn't be fixed before it was too late.

[It_is_my_time]

(05-24-2014 08:19 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm trying to think of ways our enemies will come after us because of this, but if anything, we're the solution to this sort of murder rampage. This is the society that progressives wanted, where women are fully able to choose the top 10% of alpha males while shaming masculinity, leaving beta males with modest resources in the dust. Of course they will simply push a ban on guns, but this wholly neglects the cause. Seven people died because this guy couldn't get laid, at the same time the Federal government is pursuing kangaroo courts to kick men out of college for "rape" that doesn't need to be proved in a court of law. How can they not see this connection?

Society gave beta males a bargain---they work hard with the expectation of a wife and family. That bargain no longer exists so we can't be surprised when one loses his mind and starts shooting. At the very least, prostitution should be legalized as a release valve. If the killer had access to some high quality hookers for $150 a pop, it would have given him some meaning.

Exactly. This is why socialism fails, over and over.

Socialism is simply stealing from men to give to women. It takes what the beta males used to provide for women in exchange for sex at gun point and just hands it over to women.

Why would women want to have sex or respect men who are not in the top 10 to 20% if they can get all their needs paid for by daddy govt. And daddy govt. tells the beta males, pay up or go to jail or be shot by an agent, we don't care about you.

The sad thing, IMO, is there is no way to fix this problem as long as women are allowed to vote. Women will just vote in more govt, more laws, and more ways to steal from men and punish men for simply being men.

When the western world collapses in the probably nearer future than we all want. And the next great civilization takes over and studies their history. They will learn from us that women cannot have an equal say in how society is run.

[soup]

(05-24-2014 02:13 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 08:19 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm trying to think of ways our enemies will come after us because of this, but if anything, we're the solution to this sort of murder rampage. This is the society that progressives wanted, where women are fully able to choose the top 10% of alpha males while shaming masculinity, leaving beta males with modest resources in the dust. Of course they will simply push a ban on guns, but this wholly neglects the cause. Seven people died because this guy couldn't get laid, at the same time the Federal government is pursuing kangaroo courts to kick men out of college for "rape" that doesn't need to be proved in a court of law. How can they not see this connection?

Society gave beta males a bargain---they work hard with the expectation of a wife and family. That bargain no longer exists so we can't be surprised when one loses his mind and starts shooting. At the very least, prostitution should be legalized as a release valve. If the killer had access to some high quality hookers for $150 a pop, it would have given him some meaning.

Exactly. This is why socialism fails, over and over.

Socialism is simply stealing from men to give to women. It takes what the beta males used to provide for women in exchange for sex at gun point and just hands it over to women.

Why would women want to have sex or respect men who are not in the top 10 to 20% if they can get all their needs paid for by daddy govt. And daddy govt. tells the beta males, pay up or go to jail or be shot by an agent, we don't care about you.

The sad thing, IMO, is there is no way to fix this problem as long as women are allowed to vote. Women will just vote in more govt, more laws, and more ways to steal from men and punish men for simply being men.

When the western world collapses in the probably nearer future than we all want. And the next great civilization takes over and studies their history. They will learn from us that women cannot have an equal say in how society is run.

Women have to pay taxes as well.. nice thread derail.

[Truth Teller]

(05-24-2014 09:53 AM)MattW Wrote:  

I think we're gonna see a lot of claims that "nice guys" are just like this guy underneath.

Because they are. The average "nice guy" is basically a less severe form of this. They wonder "how could women not like me, I'm so nice to them." Well, the answer is because they're fucking boring and predictable, and buying things with the expectation of her sleeping with them.

[Faust]

Quote:

The sad thing, IMO, is there is no way to fix this problem as long as women are allowed to vote. Women will just vote in more govt, more laws, and more ways to steal from men and punish men for simply being men.

When the western world collapses in the probably nearer future than we all want. And the next great civilization takes over and studies their history. They will learn from us that women cannot have an equal say in how society is run.

I'm gonna reiterate what I said above. Women voting has nothing to do with this. Buying escorts for guys at age 15 would've done nothing to stop this. You could remake society any way you wanted, red pill, purple pill, or black pill, and it would've done nothing to fix this guy. If it wasn't sorority girls it would've been his boss, or his neighbors, or his local city council. The man was broken and evil, and he was going to hurt somebody.

[Kish]

(05-24-2014 02:13 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Socialism is simply stealing from men to give to women. It takes what the beta males used to provide for women in exchange for sex at gun point and just hands it over to women.

Why would women want to have sex or respect men who are not in the top 10 to 20% if they can get all their needs paid for by daddy govt. And daddy govt. tells the beta males, pay up or go to jail or be shot by an agent, we don't care about you.

The sad thing, IMO, is there is no way to fix this problem as long as women are allowed to vote. Women will just vote in more govt, more laws, and more ways to steal from men and punish men for simply being men.

Yup. Last nights shooting is just a side effect of a blog post Roosh wrote back in 2011.
http://www.rooshv.com/feminism-killed-the-nice-guy

[Drazen]

(05-24-2014 01:47 PM)polar Wrote:  

From
http://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-mass-mur...d=23853918

According to the family's lawyer:

Quote:

Rodger was diagnosed as being a high-functioning patient with Asperger syndrome and had faced bullying through much of his life as he had trouble making friends.

Enough said.

Tragic.

And everyone will ignore he has Aspergers, just like all the other young male shooters. It's because everyone doesn't want to offend the Autism contingency. "They are really special and gifted!". More examples of the coddling of crazy fucked up people and political correctness for mental disorders.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rbara.html

It is what we all know here - no Game and Alpha/Beta denying will make you happy. At least the MGTOWs are saying good-by to women or become buy-sexuals.

The PUAHaters are way worse - they crave pussy, but cannot get it.

From the article:

"Rodger was a website forum called PUAHate.com, which describes itself as the 'Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement' and aims to reveal 'the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them.'
Its members are all men who have spent a lot of time and money on books and seminars and other materials that claim to help men 'pick-up' women - but failed.
The bitter, often misogynistic threads are full of tales of woe from men who don't know how to get women to date them and blame the women themselves for the problem.
He posted in 2013, 'If you could release a virus that would kill every single man on Earth, except for yourself because you would have the antidote, would you do it? You will be the only man left, with all the females. You would be able to have your pick of any beautiful woman you want, as well as having dealt vengeance on the men who took them from you. Imagine how satisfying that would be.'"


I doubt if any of those chodes have truly applied themselves to the Game teachings. He was rich, actually good-looking and well-connected, but was likely in highly competitive surroundings. Maybe the sexual market place is getting more brutal and 10% of guys are getting 80% of the slut-pieces.

[Truth Teller]

(05-24-2014 11:28 AM)Royale Wrote:  

I have 1/2 notch to my record. I'm in my early 20s, going to school, with some body language issues that need fixing, social graces that need polishing, and trash logistics that need adjustments. Hell, I couldn't even get laid in my social circle. I could've easily said "fuck all these douches that get vagine, and the sloots that sleep with them" and cashed out. But why am I here?

To get better.
To take control of my situation.

Right now, I'm in the "shit." But do I give up? Of course not. Every man in here had to put in the time to get where they are. Why should I be any different?

Instead of complaining about "how hard" or "how impossible" it is to succeed in game, I ask myself "how DO I make it work?" Honestly, that has made all of the difference.

This is why we need sites like this and RoK. This challenges people to take control of their lives and quit being a victim. Because no matter how bad I can say my life is, there's a dude born in the Manila slums who literally has no chance at becoming anything more than that. I HAVE a shot. Frankly, that's all I need.

E-fucking-xactly. I went through high school with no game, no women, nothing. I didn't kiss a girl until I was 17. I figured out that I needed to fix my situation, and that the only way to do that was game. So what did I do? I acquired a bunch of shit, and I learned. Then I applied. And it was tough, and it still is tough. But I learned from everything I did wrong. There was a night I went out and got blown out 4 times in 20 minutes. I didn't quit- I figured out what I was doing wrong. Right now, I'm trying to break into direct day game, and that's a rough area if ever there was one.

My game is much better than it was at this time last year. Am I good? No, but I'm better than most guys are. Since I know what I'm doing and I like doing it, it's just a matter of getting in the practice and putting in the time to become good. I'll say this: I've only slept with one woman. I wouldn't have slept with her without game.

It sounds like you have a good mindset, so good luck as you progress.

[J DOE]

Interestingly enough, this guy "ThePlayerSupremeShow" on Youtube actually did a video where he talked a great deal about this kid about 4-5 days ago.

[el mechanico]

I now know what " incel" means. I have a feeling I'll be throwing that word out very often.

This thread is amazing.

[Truth Teller]

PUA Hate denies game because some of them got scammed. Scammers should be investigated and sued. Other game denialists simply don't want to believe that women react well to not being treated like idiots. They know we want to have sex with them. If you're a dominant, interesting man with confidence (i.e. you care more about what you think about yourself vs. what someone else thinks of you), then you're going to attract women. That is game in its basic form.

Chivalry is dead. This guy and so many others don't get it.

[Icarus]

Bertrand Russell on affection:

Quote:

Being beloved promotes the zest for life, whereas the feeling of being unloved destroys it. Those who feel unloved might try to win the love of others through extraordinary kindness or generosity, though this tactic is likely to fail: human nature is so constructed that it gives affection most readily to those who seem least to demand it. Alternatively, those who perceive themselves to be unloved might take revenge upon the world, perhaps through violence, or perhaps, like Jonathan Swift, through a biting satire. The most common response to feeling unloved, however, is to fall into quiet despair, punctuated by bouts of ill feeling towards others. As a rule, the lives of such people become extremely self-centered and the absence of affection gives them a sense of insecurity from which they instinctively seek to escape by allowing habit to dominate their lives utterly and completely. They seek to stay on their tried and true paths to avoid encountering a hostile world.

(...)

The ability to inspire sexual feelings in someone else is extremely important to the happiness of adults; sexual love provides joy directly, and by sustaining a zest for life, also indirectly aids happiness. Women tend to love men for their characters, while men are more moved by looks. Characters, however, can be unlovable thanks to their deformation from childhood. We probably know better how to foster good looks than good characters.

[Basil Ransom]

Again, no one's marshalled evidence that this dude is a game denialist (although those types do abound on PUAHate). It's a total misnomer to classify a man as a game denialist when he resents 'game' but does not deny its validity.

Plus, this guy could have run run-of-the-mill good guy game and done well. A good looking dude with money and a name in Santa Barbara is going to get ass almost involuntarily. He didn't and couldn't, because he had some serious mental, psychological shit going on. If he even found a woman who liked him, the moment she left him he would go apeshit. Or even before that.

Icarus, great passage.

[marksoc]

Jesus everfucking Christ... The first thing that popped into my mind when reading the news, was... another one bites the dust in the US. At the beginning I thought that was a classic class-based "feminist" shooting, meaning a middle-class boy that can´t get any because all the rich kids in his area take it from him. But he was rich, connected, etcetera. Is a lot worse than my fears. Having it all does not cut it anymore in Cali.

Have you guys seen the Merchant show about a middle-aged guy trying to score in LA? This guy Elliot was like David Brent if Brent was an annoying post-teenager. There must be a reason why these things happen in the US (and a specific place in the US) and not in other countries (at least not so often).

There must be a way to save these guys (and their victims).

[Tuthmosis]

Moderation statement on PUAHate and Elliot Rodger:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-36421.html

[marksoc]

The important thing seems to be not how you are situated relative to all social groups but how you are perceived INSIDE your own social milieu. In the group of rich kids this guy belonged to, he was an outcast. For some girl in the middle of nowhere with a predisposition for acting, this guy could have been a God.

[It_is_my_time]

(05-24-2014 02:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 02:13 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 08:19 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm trying to think of ways our enemies will come after us because of this, but if anything, we're the solution to this sort of murder rampage. This is the society that progressives wanted, where women are fully able to choose the top 10% of alpha males while shaming masculinity, leaving beta males with modest resources in the dust. Of course they will simply push a ban on guns, but this wholly neglects the cause. Seven people died because this guy couldn't get laid, at the same time the Federal government is pursuing kangaroo courts to kick men out of college for "rape" that doesn't need to be proved in a court of law. How can they not see this connection?

Society gave beta males a bargain---they work hard with the expectation of a wife and family. That bargain no longer exists so we can't be surprised when one loses his mind and starts shooting. At the very least, prostitution should be legalized as a release valve. If the killer had access to some high quality hookers for $150 a pop, it would have given him some meaning.

Exactly. This is why socialism fails, over and over.

Socialism is simply stealing from men to give to women. It takes what the beta males used to provide for women in exchange for sex at gun point and just hands it over to women.

Why would women want to have sex or respect men who are not in the top 10 to 20% if they can get all their needs paid for by daddy govt. And daddy govt. tells the beta males, pay up or go to jail or be shot by an agent, we don't care about you.

The sad thing, IMO, is there is no way to fix this problem as long as women are allowed to vote. Women will just vote in more govt, more laws, and more ways to steal from men and punish men for simply being men.

When the western world collapses in the probably nearer future than we all want. And the next great civilization takes over and studies their history. They will learn from us that women cannot have an equal say in how society is run.

Women have to pay taxes as well.. nice thread derail.

Women in mass receive tax payments and men in mass pay taxes.

On an individual level, yes, there are women who pay taxes and men who receive taxes. But on a macro level women vote for big govt. because they receive from it and men vote against big govt. because it takes from them.

It isn't a thread derailment, it is following up on Roosh's post about progressive society. Progressive society, IMO, is a socialist economic at its core.

[KorbenDallas]

Obviously he's fully responsible for his actions, but I don't think our society takes to task the parents for doing such an awful job.

His dad's rich. He's known his son is awkward, weird, and has no friends for the past 20 years. I just don't understand the indifference.

When I have kids I won't spoil them, I will put them in situations where they have to compete, grow, learn skills, etc, but I will also love them.

I just don't understand the indifference. If my kid has no friends and is mentally unstable, miserable, and not fitting in after I've done my best, I would take him to another part of the world. I would do everything, as long as his problems are real, to show him how much life has to offer and how beautiful the world can be. He'll I would buy him a hooker and tell her to pretend to be into him for a week if he really wants that validation, just to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

The people who say he is just evil, you may be right. But I think there is good in everybody, and I think if he had parents who actually cared for him this wouldn't have happened and the kid could have gotten through this rough time and gone on to live a normal life.
In summary, this is not just a reflection of him. This is also a reflection on parents who were unfit to raise a child. I guarantee you his parents were shitty.

[Mike5055]

The kid was a whiny narcissistic shit who brought harm to others rather that improving himself. He makes such a big deal in that one video that he's a virgin. Go hire a hooker! Seriously! It will remove an element of stress. Get some game and stop being the "perfect gentleman."

His obsession with other guys who have girls with them is extremely discomforting.