[True Killa]

Just from personal experience, whenever I had success with white girls, it's always because I played up my exotic factors. If white girls want a guy, they will go for white guys and not some blended-in Asian guy. I was able to tell them stories and experiences that they will not get from white guys or white-washed Asians like showing them pictures of crazy lightshows from my "hometown". FOBs can do this easily, but they are often too scared to approach or too beta.

So I play up the exotic card and be like yeah I am from Asia, and it's fucking cool. Like many of you here, I grew up hating the fact that I have the worst possible race for a male and just wanted to blend in with the mainstream American culture to feel accepted, it took me awhile to figure out that there are some pretty damn cool things about the Asian culture. So own it!

But now I don't really have any interest toward white girls after experiencing the femininity and "tightness" of Asian girls. I suspect those Asian guys who go after white girls exclusively do so because they have not conquered their inner self-loathing demon

[Deluge]

(05-12-2014 07:33 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Just from personal experience, whenever I had success with white girls, it's always because I played up my exotic factors. If white girls want a guy, they will go for white guys and not some blended-in Asian guy. I was able to tell them stories and experiences that they will not get from white guys or white-washed Asians like showing them pictures of crazy lightshows from my "hometown". FOBs can do this easily, but they are often too scared to approach or too beta.

So I play up the exotic card and be like yeah I am from Asia, and it's fucking cool. Like many of you here, I grew up hating the fact that I have the worst possible race for a male and just wanted to blend in with the mainstream American culture to feel accepted, it took me awhile to figure out that there are some pretty damn cool things about the Asian culture. So own it!

You grew up in Asia, so trying to hide that obviously wouldn't work for you. People raised overseas tend to look down on co-ethnics who are westernized. If you grew up in a white country, live in a white neighbourhood, went to a white school, can't speak your parents language and rarely visit their homeland like a lot of people are mysef included, you're 99% white inside, you're not trying to blend in. I guess the main message is to be true to yourself whatever your personal circumstances are, girls will be able to smell any incongruency a mile away. Most FOB guys I know do well are very westernized however, but maybe that's just who they are naturally.

(05-12-2014 07:33 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

But now I don't really have any interest toward white girls after experiencing the femininity and "tightness" of Asian girls. I suspect those Asian guys who go after white girls exclusively do so because they have not conquered their inner self-loathing demon

Yeah that is weird. There's a lot of Asian players who don't game Asian girls, often they blame Asian girls loving white guys and say there's no point. Yet here I am as a brown guy whose fucked more Asian girls than them, and does better with Asian girls than curry girls, so much for white god factor... A lot of people of both genders are worried that if they're seen around with other co-ethnics people are going to think that they're either FOB or western raised and FOBy. It's understandable I guess, nobody want's to look uncool. At the same time, completing writing off white women is odd too, sure you may prefer other races over them, but if they can give a boner you really say you're not interested in them??

Sometimes I think I'm the only guy on the forum whose dick gets hard for all races...

[True Killa]

Gotta disagree there. If you look Asian, then you can always use it to your advantage. I was born in Asia, but grew up here in a white neighborhood, but I went on a personal journey of cultural rediscovery, I had to teach myself a lot about the Asian cultures rather than been fully exposed to them. It is just something I thought would give me an edge, to make myself standout among the FOBs and the white-washed in a positive way. At the same time I have all the cultural knowledge that white guys do. It is about being a multicultural worldly person.

I became disenchanted from white women not because of their looks, but because of their masculine and entitled attitudes. I suppose I should say that I don't like masculine and entitled bitches of all races, period, just that there are more white girls who are like that. I guess it's an American thing, I am sure a trip to Eastern Europe will change all that

[Deluge]

(05-12-2014 07:33 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Like many of you here, I grew up hating the fact that I have the worst possible race for a male

Missed this. It's not actually true, from Are You Interested, a dating app with 70 million members.



Source.

[seaAltair]

(05-12-2014 06:22 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

a couple have said even their mothers have advised them not to date Asian guys because they're controlling and uncaring husbands.

whatever happen to the no back bone stereotype. now they can't even use 'beta game'

[seaAltair]

I'd like the OP to see these videos of a friend of mines. He's been at the game for 2-3 years, and many people cringe at his game.

slight framed 5 ft 7 Korean dude who is no more than 150 pounds.

His game isn't GREAT yet, but he still has success nailing anywhere from 2-4 girls a month through pure cold approach. He's done it all Cubans who look like white girls, Latinas in general, Black girls, white girls, etc., and has an easier time 'crossing borders' than white guys

fairly average looking-decent looking dude but not ridiculously attractive. His style is typical among asians that love hip-hop

Here's a video of him and a blonde I imagine most asians with a becky obsession would like. They end up going on an INSTAdate that lasted for hours and finally bounced back to her crib

What makes him difference?
1) He's real persistent and stubborn. One time he told me he doesn't keep any stats. Going through countless approaches just to find a few who want him doesn't phase him

2) Not logical unlike most asians. If you asked him how does he game, he would be unable to explain it

3) Grew up around Blacks and sounds like a Black guy

4) Sees fly Latinas and Black girls as the pinnacle of game. Has no obsession with white girls unlike most asian guys who want to 'cross borders'. Even makes fun of how pasty white girls can be, but that's a different story

5) Not alpha per se but still finds a way to be effective

[seaAltair]

anyone want to take a crack at this? It seems rich white women, career minded alpha white bitches, or white gold diggers are the niches you guys should work.

[speakeasy]

(05-12-2014 09:15 AM)seaAltair Wrote:  

I'd like the OP to see these videos of a friend of mines. He's been at the game for 2-3 years, and many people cringe at his game.

slight framed 5 ft 7 Korean dude who is no more than 150 pounds.

His game isn't GREAT yet, but he still has success nailing anywhere from 2-4 girls a month through pure cold approach. He's done it all Cubans who look like white girls, Latinas in general, Black girls, white girls, etc., and has an easier time 'crossing borders' than white guys

fairly average looking-decent looking dude but not ridiculously attractive. His style is typical among asians that love hip-hop

Here's a video of him and a blonde I imagine most asians with a becky obsession would like. They end up going on an INSTAdate that lasted for hours and finally bounced back to her crib

What makes him difference?
1) He's real persistent and stubborn. One time he told me he doesn't keep any stats. Going through countless approaches just to find a few who want him doesn't phase him

2) Not logical unlike most asians. If you asked him how does he game, he would be unable to explain it

3) Grew up around Blacks and sounds like a Black guy

4) Sees fly Latinas and Black girls as the pinnacle of game. Has no obsession with white girls unlike most asian guys who want to 'cross borders'. Even makes fun of how pasty white girls can be, but that's a different story

5) Not alpha per se but still finds a way to be effective

Holy shit, you actually know this guy?? I stumbled across a thread awhile back on RSD where they were clowning this guy's day game videos. I even posted links to a few clips here on RVF. They were all taken down eventually. I remember Roosh saying he couldn't make it through even a few seconds. They were that cringe-worthy. He sounded like a dude with Aspergers who stumbled across some PUA books.

So you can really vouch for this guy in saying he gets 4 new notches a month? I find it very hard to believe based off his videos. That last girl you said that he went home with, did he actually bang her? Do you have any video proof that they went on this instadate? I watched the entire video with that blonde girl at the end and I saw zero signs of attraction. Her answers were entirely abrupt and reactive only. She kept her arms crossed or semi-crossed. She wasn't asking him any questions or doing much to keep the conversation alive when it got slack. It seemed more like she was being held conversationally hostage. Kind of like when you are talking to an old person that just rambles on and on about something you don't care about and you want to be polite but you can't wait for them to eject from the conversation. That's the kind of vibe I see here.

He looks like he's gotten a little bit better since his old deleted videos from a few years ago. But I don't see any real game here. He's just playing clown and rambling from nonsense random topic to nonsense random topic until the girl basically walks away. In the videos you posted(and I don't know if that's the best of his stuff), I'm not really seeing anything hooking, as in the girls flirting back or asking him questions, or giving any kino. Seems like they are just reveling in the novelty of some weird guy walking up and asking a bunch of funny random questions. That might be entertaining for a few minutes and get some laughs, but the question comes back to did he bone any of the chics in those videos? That's all that really matters. And do you know for a fact that he's smashing 4 new girls a month or is this just hearsay? Do you see him pull any girls to his pad?

[Sumanguru]

(05-10-2014 07:18 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Look, I know game is not culture specific, but let's admit that an Asian gaming in a Western country will need to put in a lot more work than usual. It's expected and rational, and I have nothing to complain. I'm simply seeking more resources for my game.

Interesting, because I'm in the reverse (obverse?) situation. I'm a black male, 6 ft, 185, work out regularly, reasonably attractive, make respectable money, and I have pretty good luck with black women and white women but almost none with Asian women. I'd really like to be pulling a few more Asian girls. But I can just tell from my IRL approaches and from OKC (my response rate is 1 in 3 with black women, 1 in 5/6 with white, and something like 1 in 15 with Asians, which fits with most of the studies out there showing low response rates for black dudes) that most of them have never been attracted to a black man or imagined themselves with a black man before.

If, as an Asian dude, you have any advice for a black man beyond the standard game advice (approach, escalate, be alpha, etc.), I'd appreciate it.

For you, I'd say your biggest barrier is desexualization. I was just fucking with a cute white girl who told me she went out with a few Indian dudes, and they weren't really doing it well in bed for her. I've heard both white and black women make similar comments that show they have a hard time believing an Indian/Asian man could satisfy them. So it's very good that you're jacked, and you want to find ways to show that off (form fitting shirts) without trying too hard (come off as overcompensating); and its good that you've learned how to dance. You might want to focus on your conversational game--building attraction, being aggressive, being bolder with your escalation (as in "risking a drink being thrown in your face" escalation).

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

@Sumanguru - Sometimes for Brotha's that Asian frontier can be a tough one to fully crack

UNLESS -

She has a multi-facted background/upbringing (Not insulated)
Loves HipHop
Has black girlfriends

Music/Film influence on culture has made black guys "safe" for the mass consumption...

[Mentavious]

If you're a black dude you're going to have go offline for an Asian girl. You basically have two options:

Do as my det players has said

Or

Dress as non hip hop as you can.

At least where I am at Filipinos are the most welcoming. Next or to close to call are Thais and Chinese. If you're in school or near a large university then that's a good option to start looking.

[WalterBlack]

(05-12-2014 08:07 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Yeah that is weird. There's a lot of Asian players who don't game Asian girls, often they blame Asian girls loving white guys and say there's no point. Yet here I am as a brown guy whose fucked more Asian girls than them, and does better with Asian girls than curry girls, so much for white god factor... A lot of people of both genders are worried that if they're seen around with other co-ethnics people are going to think that they're either FOB or western raised and FOBy. It's understandable I guess, nobody want's to look uncool. At the same time, completing writing off white women is odd too, sure you may prefer other races over them, but if they can give a boner you really say you're not interested in them??

Sometimes I think I'm the only guy on the forum whose dick gets hard for all races...

Asian women are open to South Asian (brown) guys if they grew up around them or work/study with them. If you’re an in shape educated westernized South Asian (with no accent) guy that’s actually a DHV to some Asians, especially the more academically inclined. They know that some of the richest guys out there are south Asian. I know a couple of Asian women who hate FOB Indian men, but are open to western Indian guys.

In countries where there’s a lot of Indians and Chinese living side by side (such a Singapore or Malaysia), one of the most common mixed marriages is Indian man/Chinese woman. I predict in 20 years time there will be a lot of Asian-American women open to South Asian guy. There’s cities like Cerritos, Diamond Bar, Cupertino in California with lots of Indians, Koreans and Chinese living side by side.

(05-12-2014 09:50 AM)seaAltair Wrote:  



anyone want to take a crack at this? It seems rich white women, career minded alpha white bitches, or white gold diggers are the niches you guys should work.

From what I’ve seen Asian Male – White Female is sometimes gold digging. A Chinese-American woman told me that her brother is a highly paid surgeon who clears over $2M/year. He ended up marrying a nurse, because in his words,” she’s blonde, green eyed and has big tits”. The woman thinks that her sister in law in a gold digger. She’s predicted her brother will dump her in a few years because she’s getting fat.

Another time I remember going to eat once in Little Tokyo and I saw an old Chinese dude, probably in his 60s or 70s with a hot fake titted East Eastern European blonde in her 30s. The first thought in my head was – “he’s rich!”. I knew a British-Chinese guy back in the UK who was crazy about Indian girls – he never got anywhere near one and ended up marrying a white woman.

(05-12-2014 01:34 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  

Interesting, because I'm in the reverse (obverse?) situation. I'm a black male, 6 ft, 185, work out regularly, reasonably attractive, make respectable money, and I have pretty good luck with black women and white women but almost none with Asian women. I'd really like to be pulling a few more Asian girls. But I can just tell from my IRL approaches and from OKC (my response rate is 1 in 3 with black women, 1 in 5/6 with white, and something like 1 in 15 with Asians, which fits with most of the studies out there showing low response rates for black dudes) that most of them have never been attracted to a black man or imagined themselves with a black man before.

If, as an Asian dude, you have any advice for a black man beyond the standard game advice (approach, escalate, be alpha, etc.), I'd appreciate it.

For you, I'd say your biggest barrier is desexualization. I was just fucking with a cute white girl who told me she went out with a few Indian dudes, and they weren't really doing it well in bed for her. I've heard both white and black women make similar comments that show they have a hard time believing an Indian/Asian man could satisfy them. So it's very good that you're jacked, and you want to find ways to show that off (form fitting shirts) without trying too hard (come off as overcompensating); and its good that you've learned how to dance. You might want to focus on your conversational game--building attraction, being aggressive, being bolder with your escalation (as in "risking a drink being thrown in your face" escalation).

SE Asians are the way to go..I’ve banged Asians of many countries and my experience regarding black guys most open to least open are Filipino, Cambodian, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean. I once banged a Chinese-American who told me that she deliberately dated 2 black guys to piss her dad off.

Do you like Indian girls? A lot of westernized Indian women are open to black men, especially the ones in UK.

[Dalaran1991]

I would like to know about the situation for my black bros too, but for the sake of thread's integrity could we make that a separate thread?

[Brosemite]

Great info guys. Head will be deep into family-related & work stuff next couple weeks. Will respond to this thread when I get the chance.

[StrikeBack]

I think it's your being short 5'4" that is the real issue. You being Asian and Fobby don't really make that big of a difference.

I don't know any guy at 5'4" who's successful with women around here (Australia), regardless of race. And to be frank, I do not trust the PUA guys - smell bullshit a mile away.

The only man at 5'4" I know who has it good with women is my uncle, a Vietnamese FOB. He lives in EE though. Kills it with SEA and EE women esp the latter. I don't know how many he's slept with, but he has 5 EE babymamas and 8 kids with them (probably more but those are the ones he supports). His 5 babymamas are 1x Russian, 1x Czech, 1x Hungarian and 2x Polish sisters - one of the latter is his current wife (17 years younger). My uncle is handsome, skinny fat, charismatic, and decently rich from his smuggling connections in EE back in the 90s. Before you ask, he doesn't buy them with cash, but if you're in his team, he makes sure you're well taken care of. His Polish wife is the only woman ever got a praise for wifely skills from my grandmother and mother (they find faults in everyone else).

I'm a 5'7" Viet and I do better with white European girls followed by white Aussie girls, then FOB Asian girls and least of all Asian Australian girls.

[seaAltair]

(05-12-2014 12:48 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 09:15 AM)seaAltair Wrote:  

I'd like the OP to see these videos of a friend of mines. He's been at the game for 2-3 years, and many people cringe at his game.

slight framed 5 ft 7 Korean dude who is no more than 150 pounds.

His game isn't GREAT yet, but he still has success nailing anywhere from 2-4 girls a month through pure cold approach. He's done it all Cubans who look like white girls, Latinas in general, Black girls, white girls, etc., and has an easier time 'crossing borders' than white guys

fairly average looking-decent looking dude but not ridiculously attractive. His style is typical among asians that love hip-hop

Here's a video of him and a blonde I imagine most asians with a becky obsession would like. They end up going on an INSTAdate that lasted for hours and finally bounced back to her crib

What makes him difference?
1) He's real persistent and stubborn. One time he told me he doesn't keep any stats. Going through countless approaches just to find a few who want him doesn't phase him

2) Not logical unlike most asians. If you asked him how does he game, he would be unable to explain it

3) Grew up around Blacks and sounds like a Black guy

4) Sees fly Latinas and Black girls as the pinnacle of game. Has no obsession with white girls unlike most asian guys who want to 'cross borders'. Even makes fun of how pasty white girls can be, but that's a different story

5) Not alpha per se but still finds a way to be effective

Holy shit, you actually know this guy?? I stumbled across a thread awhile back on RSD where they were clowning this guy's day game videos. I even posted links to a few clips here on RVF. They were all taken down eventually. I remember Roosh saying he couldn't make it through even a few seconds. They were that cringe-worthy. He sounded like a dude with Aspergers who stumbled across some PUA books.

So you can really vouch for this guy in saying he gets 4 new notches a month? I find it very hard to believe based off his videos. That last girl you said that he went home with, did he actually bang her? Do you have any video proof that they went on this instadate? I watched the entire video with that blonde girl at the end and I saw zero signs of attraction. Her answers were entirely abrupt and reactive only. She kept her arms crossed or semi-crossed. She wasn't asking him any questions or doing much to keep the conversation alive when it got slack. It seemed more like she was being held conversationally hostage. Kind of like when you are talking to an old person that just rambles on and on about something you don't care about and you want to be polite but you can't wait for them to eject from the conversation. That's the kind of vibe I see here.

He looks like he's gotten a little bit better since his old deleted videos from a few years ago. But I don't see any real game here. He's just playing clown and rambling from nonsense random topic to nonsense random topic until the girl basically walks away. In the videos you posted(and I don't know if that's the best of his stuff), I'm not really seeing anything hooking, as in the girls flirting back or asking him questions, or giving any kino. Seems like they are just reveling in the novelty of some weird guy walking up and asking a bunch of funny random questions. That might be entertaining for a few minutes and get some laughs, but the question comes back to did he bone any of the chics in those videos? That's all that really matters. And do you know for a fact that he's smashing 4 new girls a month or is this just hearsay? Do you see him pull any girls to his pad?

Out of all the bitches in those videos he has nailed at least two that I know of.

They bounced back to her crib, but she gave him last minute resistance. It wasn't worth the trouble in his eyes.

In his words she had 3 strikes going against her:
1) PASTY white girl
2) got no ass
3) talks about stupid shit


I think it's ridiculous that people expect him to post footage of his dates or interactions from opening to close. Not even guys who film infield shit professionally do that. There'd be no point in him doing it; he isn't the type to brag about his conquests or boast about his game. It took quite a bit of back and fourth before he told me which ones he closed.

I've met his critics from the rsd forums that live in my city. Those guys aren't about shit and want to give advice even though his game is better than theirs.


Anyways, he's living proof that an average asian guy without GREAT game can swoop attractive non-asian women. I wanted the OP to know that. Persistence is key.

Some of these racial advantages and disadvantages are real, and some are simply self-inflicted mental limitations. Lot of the OP's problems stem from the latter imo. Dr. Destruction is an illustration of persistence paying off regardless of your race. Out of all the times we spoke not once has he mentioned anything about how the game is different for asians

If Dr. Destruction can do it purely through cold approach, there's no reason why the OP who has a social circle filled with whities can't.

[True Killa]

(05-12-2014 03:00 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

If you're a black dude you're going to have go offline for an Asian girl. You basically have two options:

Do as my det players has said

Or

Dress as non hip hop as you can.

At least where I am at Filipinos are the most welcoming. Next or to close to call are Thais and Chinese. If you're in school or near a large university then that's a good option to start looking.

Gotta agree with this. Be classy, suited up, talk like you are well educated and have a white collar job, and no gangster vibe at all, go indirect. Asian girls grew up having their parents telling them that black guys are drug dealers and pimps. If you are too direct and aggressive, you will just confirm their expectation.

[Dalaran1991]

(05-12-2014 10:25 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

I think it's your being short 5'4" that is the real issue. You being Asian and Fobby don't really make that big of a difference.

I don't know any guy at 5'4" who's successful with women around here (Australia), regardless of race. And to be frank, I do not trust the PUA guys - smell bullshit a mile away.

The only man at 5'4" I know who has it good with women is my uncle, a Vietnamese FOB. He lives in EE though. Kills it with SEA and EE women esp the latter. I don't know how many he's slept with, but he has 5 EE babymamas and 8 kids with them (probably more but those are the ones he supports). His 5 babymamas are 1x Russian, 1x Czech, 1x Hungarian and 2x Polish sisters - one of the latter is his current wife (17 years younger). My uncle is handsome, skinny fat, charismatic, and decently rich from his smuggling connections in EE back in the 90s. Before you ask, he doesn't buy them with cash, but if you're in his team, he makes sure you're well taken care of. His Polish wife is the only woman ever got a praise for wifely skills from my grandmother and mother (they find faults in everyone else).

I'm a 5'7" Viet and I do better with white European girls followed by white Aussie girls, then FOB Asian girls and least of all Asian Australian girls.

Funny... My uncle is a 5"7 and he lives in Poland since 1960. He was a smuggler too and been killing it with the lady. Got stupid and married, had 2 smoking hot daughters (damn I'm thinking of incest ) and now divorced.

There's this guy called the Asian PUA, JT Tran. Ugly as fuck and 5"5, and he claims he's been doing it with white girls exclusively with no problem. His advertising is pretty damn big. Check it out guys and lemme know what ya think: JT Tran


I've been thinking quite a lot about it lately, now that you and a few other members has mentioned height over race. Because nothing about me except my accent and face say Asian at all. I hold eye contact and get physical quickly. I even talk like my hoody nigga bros (some of my best bros in college are latino and black). So I've been wondering if it's actually my height which is causing problem. Are Asian bad with women bc they are Asian or bc they are usually short?

Assuming that height is the problem, I've always worked hard to compensate for it. I'm in shape and still working on it, though I can not look too jacked, with my small frame huge muscles will just make me look like donkey kong.

Not sure if my style is great, but people certainly notice it and I get lots of compliment, especially about the bear claw necklace I carry. Some girls even think I'm in a gang. My usual default style is something like this:

When I go out to dance I'm like this:

If I'm hitting fancy venues or feeling really swanky I go like this:

I accessorize a lot too, watches and wristbands not shown here.

I've never tried elevator shoes and inserts. My shoes are usually 2" top. So if I get 3" and 1" inserts guess that would be acceptable 5"8. But they say girls look at shoes a lot. Do they notice this and take points off for being a try-hard?

Sex is not a problem. I normally fuck for 3-5 hours straight if I like the girl, and I'm strong enough to give some girls an aerial fuck.

I avoid fights but can defend myself. Brown belt in Aikido and trained in krav-manga and jujitsu. @JWLZG we should do some randori when you visit Paris!

I guess I really need to focus on venue choosing.

Now that I think about it, the mixed/Asian girls I've got with are all much shorter than me (which is usual), but I only hit on short white girls and the ROI is still damn low. Thoughts? (other than the obvious white chicks being bitchy/entitled and closed to Asian guys?)

[Deluge]

Your style looks cheesy, like something from the 70's or 80's. Go have a dig through the archives of Masculine Style, He Spoke Style and Kinowear to get some ideas. Tucking that shirt in without the jacket on doesn't look right either. As for looking like Donkey Kong, keep getting bigger until you reach a point where your size starts to hurt you, then cut back to the sweet spot, which you're nowhere near yet. Being 5'4 would be tough man, even with short girls. You really do need an extra 3-4 inches. You said you have an accent, you need to get rid of it. You have a lot to work on, but don't let that discourage you.

Funny you mention JWLZG visiting Paris, he's spent considerable time there. He's also told me he thinks French girls in particular like Asian guys, and he's not the only Asian forum member to have said that. The white girls Asian guys do best here with here are usually smart and/or hipster, I see Asian guys with white girls all the time at my university especially. To repeat what I've said before, if you're an otherwise attractive Asian guy who lives in a cosmopolitan city, your race won't hold you back from doing well with with non-trashy, non-working class white girls. Your problem is, you're not "an otherwise attractive Asian guy", yet. You need to put in some work and address the weaknesses we've identified for you in this thread, while improving your game overall.

(05-12-2014 04:05 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 08:07 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Yeah that is weird. There's a lot of Asian players who don't game Asian girls, often they blame Asian girls loving white guys and say there's no point. Yet here I am as a brown guy whose fucked more Asian girls than them, and does better with Asian girls than curry girls, so much for white god factor... A lot of people of both genders are worried that if they're seen around with other co-ethnics people are going to think that they're either FOB or western raised and FOBy. It's understandable I guess, nobody want's to look uncool. At the same time, completing writing off white women is odd too, sure you may prefer other races over them, but if they can give a boner you really say you're not interested in them??

Sometimes I think I'm the only guy on the forum whose dick gets hard for all races...

Asian women are open to South Asian (brown) guys if they grew up around them or work/study with them. If you’re an in shape educated westernized South Asian (with no accent) guy that’s actually a DHV to some Asians, especially the more academically inclined. They know that some of the richest guys out there are south Asian. I know a couple of Asian women who hate FOB Indian men, but are open to western Indian guys.

In countries where there’s a lot of Indians and Chinese living side by side (such a Singapore or Malaysia), one of the most common mixed marriages is Indian man/Chinese woman. I predict in 20 years time there will be a lot of Asian-American women open to South Asian guy. There’s cities like Cerritos, Diamond Bar, Cupertino in California with lots of Indians, Koreans and Chinese living side by side.

Yeah most Asian girls here are definitely open to brown guys, even the white boy lovers. I've gotten with Asian girls who'd never dated an Asian guy in their lives. I still find white girls easier though.

Last week I approached a hot Asian girl on the dancefloor of a dimly lit venue, 10 seconds into the conversation she randomly asked what nationality I was. When I told her, she literally just walked away

[JWLZG]

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I've been thinking quite a lot about it lately, now that you and a few other members has mentioned height over race. Because nothing about me except my accent and face say Asian at all. I hold eye contact and get physical quickly. I even talk like my hoody nigga bros (some of my best bros in college are latino and black). So I've been wondering if it's actually my height which is causing problem. Are Asian bad with women bc they are Asian or bc they are usually short?

Look if you're going to take height out of the equation, I find it hard to believe that they will do bad with women simply because "they are Asian".

For the purposes of this discussion, I'll take "being Asian" to mean being so culturally and in appearance. Again, if we are of the agreement that being culturally Asian translates by default into having shit game, then yes, factored in, it can hurt.

So I won't lie, race aside, yes height matters but apart from the upper percentile of females by height (170cm+), I can't see it being a deal-breaker. I certainly haven't cleaned up because of my height and I'm sure it hasn't been due to my race either. If it's any consolation, I have lost out to guys closer to your height.

Being in France though, with average heights being lower than here, it should leverage the odds in your favour?

As far as accents go, I'm not sure how FOB you are (your English is well on perfect but that's no real indication) but it shouldn't be too much of an issue in France should it? I know I no hope of nailing the Parisian accent in the time I lived there but sounding Aussie really earned me exotic brownie points (at least, it really garnered me enough positive attention).

With the whole sounding gangsta thing, it takes a bit of panache for an Asian to pull it off (although that's my personal bias weighing in).

If you have the chance to give tutoring, do so because it really helps with accent training -- in addition to making your voice more considered.

Join a theatre group or a choir if you can find one because that also helps.

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Assuming that height is the problem, I've always worked hard to compensate for it. I'm in shape and still working on it, though I can not look too jacked, with my small frame huge muscles will just make me look like donkey kong.

Yeah I hope you're on the right track because at 23 there isn't a huge window of opportunity to work on your height. Consume as much calcium and protein as you can. Yoga and cycling helps.

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

When I go out to dance I'm like this:

If I'm hitting fancy venues or feeling really swanky I go like this:

I'd button up that shirt a bit more. Some can rock it but it's not my style and I think it screams "Azn" and "Guido". You're on the right track in dressing as un-Fobby as possible though. Unfortunately unless you're hanging out in backpacker circles in South/SE Asia, Asians do have to give more of a shit about their appearance than the average white guy.

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I accessorize a lot too, watches and wristbands not shown here.

As long as you sway away from anything too chunky and blingy, you're good.

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

@JWLZG we should do some randori when you visit Paris!

Never heard of it, having tried Krav Maga I'm totally up for it though. If only you'd told me 2 years ago!

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I guess I really need to focus on venue choosing.

Elaborate?

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Now that I think about it, the mixed/Asian girls I've got with are all much shorter than me (which is usual), but I only hit on short white girls and the ROI is still damn low. Thoughts? (other than the obvious white chicks being bitchy/entitled and closed to Asian guys?)

I've never closed with anyone taller than me (not that you can get much taller than me if you're a girl) but I've found not much of a difference given a considerably greater height difference.
Slight aside: The closest I've ever come to a relationship was with a white (non-Anglo) of around similar height who went to an inner-city all-girls selective entry state school (the Melburnians here will know the one ) wherein the student cohort is some 90% Asian. While the FOB factor is understandably prevalent, the few white girls there will be environmentally desensitised into seeing Asians as mainstream dating material. The fact that they and their brother school generally admit high-achieving, well-rounded types really legitimises their eligibility. Think kids that are smart and sporty, into debating, cadet corps, music, chess etc. yet are still fun to hang out with at a party.

That you're not a typical Fob Azn gangsta that plays DOTA at home and drag races his souped-up Honda does put you leaps and bounds ahead though.

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My rule for shirt buttoning is to leave the top two buttons open (unless you're going the hipster route and do them all the way to the top). NEVER only leave the top button open like most guys do, it doesn't properly frame the face so people's eyes actually end up getting drawn to your neck instead.

(05-13-2014 08:12 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

The fact that they and their brother school generally admit high-achieving, well-rounded types really legitimises their eligibility. Think kids that are smart and sporty, into debating, cadet corps, music, chess etc. yet are still fun to hang out with at a party.

That you're not a typical Fob Azn gangsta that plays DOTA at home and drag races his souped-up Honda does put you leaps and bounds ahead though.

Completely off-topic but:

>Melbourne High
>Well-rounded
>Doesn't play DOTA

Not sure if srs. Melb High is full of kids who think they're top shit private school boys when really they're just wannabes, massive nerds and virgins. The selective schools in general and the Asian dominated regular public schools are FOB behaviour central, one of them even has a lunch time DOTA club.

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(05-13-2014 08:25 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Completely off-topic but:

>Melbourne High
>Well-rounded
>Doesn't play DOTA

Not sure if srs. Melb High is full of kids who think they're top shit private school boys when really they're just wannabes, massive nerds and virgins. The selective schools in general and the Asian dominated regular public schools are FOB behaviour central, one of them even has a lunch time DOTA club.

Look we may have to continue this elsewhere but even though I've been I've been out of those social circles for some time, I won't deny the ones I know fit the bill. 2 MHS alumni I recently got to know turned hipster but they're considerable betas.

I think my point was, for white MGHS students, it helps normalise the idea of going out with Asian guys, however beta and FOBby they may be.

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(05-13-2014 05:31 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 03:00 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

If you're a black dude you're going to have go offline for an Asian girl. You basically have two options:

Do as my det players has said

Or

Dress as non hip hop as you can.

At least where I am at Filipinos are the most welcoming. Next or to close to call are Thais and Chinese. If you're in school or near a large university then that's a good option to start looking.

Gotta agree with this. Be classy, suited up, talk like you are well educated and have a white collar job, and no gangster vibe at all, go indirect. Asian girls grew up having their parents telling them that black guys are drug dealers and pimps. If you are too direct and aggressive, you will just confirm their expectation.

I know an asian with black guy swag. while he has success with non-asians I rarely saw him with asians.