[seaAltair]

(05-13-2014 05:42 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:25 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

I think it's your being short 5'4" that is the real issue. You being Asian and Fobby don't really make that big of a difference.

I don't know any guy at 5'4" who's successful with women around here (Australia), regardless of race. And to be frank, I do not trust the PUA guys - smell bullshit a mile away.

The only man at 5'4" I know who has it good with women is my uncle, a Vietnamese FOB. He lives in EE though. Kills it with SEA and EE women esp the latter. I don't know how many he's slept with, but he has 5 EE babymamas and 8 kids with them (probably more but those are the ones he supports). His 5 babymamas are 1x Russian, 1x Czech, 1x Hungarian and 2x Polish sisters - one of the latter is his current wife (17 years younger). My uncle is handsome, skinny fat, charismatic, and decently rich from his smuggling connections in EE back in the 90s. Before you ask, he doesn't buy them with cash, but if you're in his team, he makes sure you're well taken care of. His Polish wife is the only woman ever got a praise for wifely skills from my grandmother and mother (they find faults in everyone else).

I'm a 5'7" Viet and I do better with white European girls followed by white Aussie girls, then FOB Asian girls and least of all Asian Australian girls.

Funny... My uncle is a 5"7 and he lives in Poland since 1960. He was a smuggler too and been killing it with the lady. Got stupid and married, had 2 smoking hot daughters (damn I'm thinking of incest ) and now divorced.

There's this guy called the Asian PUA, JT Tran. Ugly as fuck and 5"5, and he claims he's been doing it with white girls exclusively with no problem. His advertising is pretty damn big. Check it out guys and lemme know what ya think: JT Tran


I've been thinking quite a lot about it lately, now that you and a few other members has mentioned height over race. Because nothing about me except my accent and face say Asian at all. I hold eye contact and get physical quickly. I even talk like my hoody nigga bros (some of my best bros in college are latino and black). So I've been wondering if it's actually my height which is causing problem. Are Asian bad with women bc they are Asian or bc they are usually short?

Assuming that height is the problem, I've always worked hard to compensate for it. I'm in shape and still working on it, though I can not look too jacked, with my small frame huge muscles will just make me look like donkey kong.

Not sure if my style is great, but people certainly notice it and I get lots of compliment, especially about the bear claw necklace I carry. Some girls even think I'm in a gang. My usual default style is something like this:

When I go out to dance I'm like this:

If I'm hitting fancy venues or feeling really swanky I go like this:

I accessorize a lot too, watches and wristbands not shown here.

I've never tried elevator shoes and inserts. My shoes are usually 2" top. So if I get 3" and 1" inserts guess that would be acceptable 5"8. But they say girls look at shoes a lot. Do they notice this and take points off for being a try-hard?

Sex is not a problem. I normally fuck for 3-5 hours straight if I like the girl, and I'm strong enough to give some girls an aerial fuck.

I avoid fights but can defend myself. Brown belt in Aikido and trained in krav-manga and jujitsu. @JWLZG we should do some randori when you visit Paris!

I guess I really need to focus on venue choosing.

Now that I think about it, the mixed/Asian girls I've got with are all much shorter than me (which is usual), but I only hit on short white girls and the ROI is still damn low. Thoughts? (other than the obvious white chicks being bitchy/entitled and closed to Asian guys?)

I've seen JT coach inside of my city's best club before. Definitely one of the genuine mPUAs out there. They're ALL salesmen, but he sincerely gives a fuck about helping asian dudes. JT approached a girl or two to show my friend how it's done and gave him free advice.

The quality of women JT got with increased throughout the years as he improved his lifestyle.

I don't know how people perceive the sexual market value of fobs in France, but it's absolutely horrible for them where I live. If you were in America, your style (haircut included) would scream fob.

I'm only 5 ft 8 and actually do best with women who are several inches above average height (5 ft 4). ime taller women are more forgiving of short guys wheres many short bitches want a tall boy to compensate for being a shrimp. Get over the mental barrier, and test this for yourself by hitting up women aren't much shorter than you. I read a study once that concluded every inch beyond 5 ft 4 decreases a woman's attractiveness to us subconsciously.

and be on the lookout for non-asian bitches who have an asian friend. Chances are your race won't bother her

[WestIndianArchie]

Your style is fine. Bitches love "cheese", peep Jersey Shore. Those guys are tanned, buff, and Abercrombie and Fitch'd or Overprint T-shirt'd.

WIA

[speakeasy]

Tom Vu cracked the code:

[InternationalPlayboy]

Its the height not the race thats holding you back. Honestly, just move to the Philippines. At least you'll be almost average male height there. Or can go to latin america and try and bang mestizos. They look white enough.

[GenghisKhan]

Playa!! I'm an Asian dude myself, and I fairly do well across all races. I'm Asian mixed (Chinese-Malaysian) and have spent 1/3 of my life in the States. I went to school in the states too so I've lost my accent through the years. I'm almost 5'10, average looks, slim and great style.

I believe at some of the posters here are right. While it is definitely harder for us Asian brothers, I think it's your height and your accent that kills you. There's hope though.

I have a friend who is probably shorter than you. He is a Southeast Asian FOB too but kills models after models after models. He is like a DJ, always tanned and is tattooed everywhere. The tattoos are amazing because it is such a great contrast to your every day Asian stereotypes. His tats (which are sleeves) are nice and super classy. I've never seen anything like it. He gets stopped on the street for compliments.

As for the height, I suggest you wear relatively fit t-shirts and skinny pants that fit just right. I really don't like those tight t-shirts on your photos that make you look so skinny. It just reinforce the stereotypes. Also make sure your t-shirts have shorter sleeves so you don't look so small. If you wear anything with super long sleeves, you will look small. Same thing with the pants. Make sure the pants just fit.

Also wear boots that will make you a BIT taller. Not too much that it will make you look stupid. I wear Dr. Martens for example. I get to 5'11 with it and everything becomes easier.

[GenghisKhan]

I’ve decided to add another post to help my other Asian brothers out. I am mostly going to talk about the attraction and the initial approach phase, where I believe the stereotypes hinders a lot of Asian RV members.

But first, let me just say that I believe we Asian people have it the easiest when doing indirect approaches. Because of the nerd and wimpy stereotypes, girls do not feel threatened with us at all. They are open to talking to me than most of my other peers, and this is extremely helpful when you are gaming overseas. You look like a nice lost Japanese tourist, and they are going to want to help you.

Of course, that does not mean they will sleep with you. In a western girl’s mind, the moment you talk to her, she has a lot of negative preconceived notions about you already. What you want to do is break this notion IMMEDIATELY. Absolutely, absolutely stay away from any Asian stereotypes. You have to break it in her head before the comfort stage. She needs to think “Oh he’s actually cool” before the comfort stage. Here’s 4 things you can do:

1 Work on your looks - Don't EVER EVER wear glasses. Glasses will make it hard to distinguish the face, and you will look so FOB. Avoid K-Pop hairstyles. If you are short, google clothing styles that will make you look taller.

Wear clothes that promote contrast to stereotypes. Avoid wearing preppy clothes- -- it fits the stereotypes. What you want to do is the exact opposite. Look urban like Jin the MC. Wear some light, MODERN hip-hop urban stuff but don’t look ghetto. Be careful not to cross the K-Pop ghetto look. You can also wear a leather jacket or some sort. If you can get a tattoo, get a full sleeve. My friend absolutely kills it with the full sleeve. The contrast in the tattoo and asian stereotypes keeps the hamsters running. IMO, if you look east Asian, tattoos will look great on you.

2 The “Where are you from” question.

Now this can be a little complicated. Generally, I try to avoid answering this question in the initial approach . I don’t want to answer this during the attraction phase because most females, which are “gatherers”. naturally prefer “hunters” who are richer in resources. In other words, they don’t like third world boys like us. They like first world boys better. I don’t set the rules, and believe me I’ll change it if I could. But I can’t, and this is the reality that we live in now. I don’t want to get into whether this is right or wrong – this isn’t the place for that. But I avoid the question in the attraction phase. I don’t ask that question until I see that the attraction is set. I answer it later when attraction is built and comfort is being made. Hamsters will be spinning then and that shit wouldn’t matter at all.

If you absolutely have to answer this question, I just say where I live. “ I live in Oakland, but I’m Malaysian if that’s what you are asking.” The shit is powerful because the second line basically asks her “does my race matter?” Westerners are programmed to be very sensitive about these things and they will quickly try to move away from this subject to avoid making you feel uncomfortable. She will have questions later but you don’t have to deal with them now.

Obviously, you can’t lie about your roots. I don’t do it and eventually, during comforting stage, I give stories about my past and how much I’ve changed and succeeded. The thing is, during comfortable stage, they like you already and you avoid losing them because of race/culture.

3 Try to lose the accent. This shit is big. Accents can be lost. Start talking slowly to pronounce the words correctly. When you are on your own, try to talk with an American accent and keep practicing. Consciously say every word that comes out of you mouth. Instead of talking, you are almost like singing in a different accent. I’ll reiterate again. If you have an accent, you can practice losing it by talking slower! Don't just let the words come out of your mouth. Consciously say each thing correctly.

4 Don’t talk about race and cultural differences. My style is similar to the other Southeast Asian kid in here. I don't bring up interracial at all. It's two people talking and hooking up. I avoid talking about race at all. I'll talk about my travels and comfortably talk about being Asian when appropriate. Otherwise, I will never talk about it. I'm very comfortable with my own skin.


P.S.
Your fashion is very manly, but the jacket looks like it is from the 80's. Your t-shirts are too tight and it shows you are skinny.

[Deluge]

(05-13-2014 03:13 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Your style is fine. Bitches love "cheese", peep Jersey Shore. Those guys are tanned, buff, and Abercrombie and Fitch'd or Overprint T-shirt'd.

WIA

There's tons of guido guys here, Dalaran's style doesn't look anything like them. I'd give Dalaran a "C" for style based off those pics. It doesn't burn my eyes, but it's still bad.

I agree with almost everything Genghis Khan said. Dalaran's tucked in pants in this pic are really bad, don't do that anymore dude.


I think his shirt size is on the money, the vast majority of men are wearing their tees, shirts and suits a size too big... He should put on more muscle ofc, but I wouldn't go up a shirt size, it'll draw more attention to his size because it'll look like he's not filing his shirt out properly. Dalaran's jeans are okay too, but a slimmer more more modern cut would reduce the retro cheesy look of his jacket pic, but most importantly I'd go with a darker shade of blue, ligher shades of blue like his current jeans haven't been in style for a very long time. Levi's slim-cut 511's in Rigid Dragon, Muse or even Black are a good entry point for guys new to dressing well. Every man needs a good pair of slim dark jeans.

[Dalaran1991]

This thread has been the most helpful for Asian bros so far.

I want to personally thank you all for going into the details in my style, and to break the hard truth of height and accent for me. I don't have time for a long answer right now, but I would like to see a few example of what you consider an edgy, masculine looking Asian, and also what to AVOID so not to look FOBby.

I will Pm some of you to discuss things in depth

[JWLZG]

(05-14-2014 03:29 AM)GenghisKhan Wrote:  

1 Work on your looks - Don't EVER EVER wear glasses. Glasses will make it hard to distinguish the face, and you will look so FOB.

Dammit. I'm actually guilty of owning a pair of glasses, and get this, not because I'm short-sighted or anything (Mild astigmatism, but I can live without them). I really only wear them while going out, and even then to dressy occasions -- just because I was told dark frames really give your face a dramatic effect.

(05-14-2014 03:29 AM)GenghisKhan Wrote:  

2 The “Where are you from” question.

Now this can be a little complicated. Generally, I try to avoid answering this question in the initial approach . I don’t want to answer this during the attraction phase because most females, which are “gatherers”. naturally prefer “hunters” who are richer in resources.[...]
If you absolutely have to answer this question, I just say where I live. “ I live in Oakland, but I’m Malaysian if that’s what you are asking.” The shit is powerful because the second line basically asks her “does my race matter?” Westerners are programmed to be very sensitive about these things and they will quickly try to move away from this subject to avoid making you feel uncomfortable. She will have questions later but you don’t have to deal with them now.

I'm fortunate not to have been asked this question in any of my approaches bar once. I guess that underscores the importance of accent especially given that Australians of Asian descent are much more accepted as mainstream in my generation. I remember arguing before my family recently that most (at least in the capital cities) here understand that an Australian doesn't necessarily indicate being white.
Even though I may not have been born here, it seems that I've been assimilated to the extent that I'd get sensitive were that question to be brought up before me -- I didn't show it that that instance I mentioned though.

(05-14-2014 03:29 AM)GenghisKhan Wrote:  

4 Don’t talk about race and cultural differences. My style is similar to the other Southeast Asian kid in here. I don't bring up interracial at all. It's two people talking and hooking up. I avoid talking about race at all. I'll talk about my travels and comfortably talk about being Asian when appropriate. Otherwise, I will never talk about it. I'm very comfortable with my own skin.

+1. Never once have I used race as a filter in any of my approaches and interactions, nor brought it up. It's an issue I've long since grown out of and I don't even see it being we're both Australians but of different skin colour. That doesn't even factor in.

(05-14-2014 03:29 AM)GenghisKhan Wrote:  

[...]but the jacket looks like it is from the 80's. Your t-shirts are too tight and it shows you are skinny.

Gawd yes, those sleeves!!! You're in Paris FFS! Show a bit of shirt cuff!

(05-14-2014 07:17 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

This thread has been the most helpful for Asian bros so far.

I want to personally thank you all for going into the details in my style, and to break the hard truth of height and accent for me. I don't have time for a long answer right now, but I would like to see a few example of what you consider an edgy, masculine looking Asian, and also what to AVOID so not to look FOBby.

I will Pm some of you to discuss things in depth

No worries, you can shout me a drink at the Café Piment next time I'm in Paris.

[wavey007]

Great thread, the no sugar coating answers are good too

[GenghisKhan]

[quote] (05-14-2014 08:28 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

[quote='GenghisKhan' pid='726295' dateline='1400056172']
1 Work on your looks - Don't EVER EVER wear glasses. Glasses will make it hard to distinguish the face, and you will look so FOB.[/quote]
Dammit. I'm actually guilty of owning a pair of glasses, and get this, not because I'm short-sighted or anything (Mild astigmatism, but I can live without them). I really only wear them while going out, and even then to dressy occasions -- just because I was told dark frames really give your face a dramatic effect.


I honestly think the glasses are a great look, but since all fresh off the boat asians wear glasses it will be hard to distinguish yourself. I think they are a great look for black men. Asians and Blacks have contrast stereotypes and we can certainly play off each other's style.

I actually still sport a semi-fob-ish hairstyle. I like going to Asian stylists but I am very conscious on whether I will start looking like a Kpop fob.

Also, to the guy asking about edgy style that will fit your persona, I just get my clothing fix from H&M, Topman, Zara, JCrew. I add my personal style to it but that is basically it. I'm like every other fashionable 20-something. Try to get GQ and Men's journal. For clothing, I don't think there is anything Asian specific. Just don't look FOB, which you won't if you buy your clothes from western stores.

[GenghisKhan]

This is FOB fashion, AKA DO NOT copy.

1. http://seoulawesome.files.wordpress.com/...-ukiss.jpg
---> this makes you look girly, especially with the hair. i never wear preppy because of the stereotypes

2. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ILG1a30emU/Ud.../kpop2.jpg
---> this actually might be fashionable in milan and tokyo, but it is weird to my audience (american women). so no go.

3. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2mwa-kz-dFc/Tl...8712_n.jpg
---> again, no go to this one.

What I like:

1. Google under Images, "GQ Asian"

2. Google under Images, "Jin the MC"

3. Google under Images, "Bruno Mars"
--> hairstyle is amazing, but hard to keep up

4. Google under Images, "Steven Yeun"
--> hairstyle is cool, doesn't look fobbish. I don't like his preppy look but I do what he does with t-shirts.

I mean in general, if the fashion is confusing, just buy clothes from H&M and Forever 21. Should look fine.

[seaAltair]

GenghisKhan's advice on styles to avoid is 100% on point. Where I'm from the fob look can't even get love from 'Asian-Americans' let alone 'cross borders'.

good thing the OP is Vietnamese. ime they infrequently have feminized looks unlike east asians

OP's swag could be incongruent with a urban look. Maybe I'm wrong, and he has Black man swag

[Dalaran1991]

Hey, I just got kinowear bible, pretty damn good read.

@Khan: lol, the first FOB link you posted, those guys are Vietnamese.

About leaving shirts untucked, this has long been a problem for me. While these shirts fit me just right, the tails are always too long. They would cover my crotch. So if I untuck them they visually shorten my frame and makes my body looks like it's twice longer than my leg. For a shorter guy this is disaster. And I can't just go have them all tailored.

But even if they have the right length, do you think a guy looks better with his shirts untuck? I think with a tuck in shirt with rolled up sleeves and 2-3 buttons open, you look neat, manly but still very relaxed

As for jeans, well I'm having to shop in Junior stores. I find that kid's size 14 fits me perfectly without alteration.

Great advice about not bringing up race or not even nationality. Sometimes I still say "you French people do this/that" and I basically marginalize myself

[InternationalPlayboy]

(05-14-2014 04:35 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Hey, I just got kinowear bible, pretty damn good read.

@Khan: lol, the first FOB link you posted, those guys are Vietnamese.

About leaving shirts untucked, this has long been a problem for me. While these shirts fit me just right, the tails are always too long. They would cover my crotch. So if I untuck them they visually shorten my frame and makes my body looks like it's twice longer than my leg. For a shorter guy this is disaster. And I can't just go have them all tailored.

But even if they have the right length, do you think a guy looks better with his shirts untuck? I think with a tuck in shirt with rolled up sleeves and 2-3 buttons open, you look neat, manly but still very relaxed

As for jeans, well I'm having to shop in Junior stores. I find that kid's size 14 fits me perfectly without alteration.

Great advice about not bringing up race or not even nationality. Sometimes I still say "you French people do this/that" and I basically marginalize myself

Go get your clothes tailored. Best investment I've made.

[peterfoo22]

(05-12-2014 07:33 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Just from personal experience, whenever I had success with white girls, it's always because I played up my exotic factors. If white girls want a guy, they will go for white guys and not some blended-in Asian guy. I was able to tell them stories and experiences that they will not get from white guys or white-washed Asians like showing them pictures of crazy lightshows from my "hometown". FOBs can do this easily, but they are often too scared to approach or too beta.

So I play up the exotic card and be like yeah I am from Asia, and it's fucking cool. Like many of you here, I grew up hating the fact that I have the worst possible race for a male and just wanted to blend in with the mainstream American culture to feel accepted, it took me awhile to figure out that there are some pretty damn cool things about the Asian culture. So own it!

But now I don't really have any interest toward white girls after experiencing the femininity and "tightness" of Asian girls. I suspect those Asian guys who go after white girls exclusively do so because they have not conquered their inner self-loathing demon

I have been with more women than I can remember, and all of them have been white, I grew up in white neighborhood, went to school with white girls, etc.

I would agree with True Killa here on that you need to stand out from the typical Asian guy.

You almost need to give off that bad ass appeal. Get tattoos, grow long hair, get jacked, get a tan, put on some muscles, whatever just do it!

Most typical Asian guys I work in IT, finance, or education. Needy as hell, only been with one girl in there lifetime usually another dork asian chick and too passive.

As for approach I would generally agree to being more passive at first and then there is any indication she likes ratchet up the aggression and then isolate and then bingo!

One other thing that you might want to do is do more traveling into countries like Brazil, Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia. The girls are more open to Asian guys especially in Eastern Europe. Go get some confidence and go from there.


Good Luck Brother!

[Dalaran1991]

Pretty good posts on Goodlookingloser about 5"1' guys:

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/lo...-gets-laid

[WalterBlack]

Don't be this guy:

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(05-14-2014 05:59 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 07:33 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Just from personal experience, whenever I had success with white girls, it's always because I played up my exotic factors. If white girls want a guy, they will go for white guys and not some blended-in Asian guy. I was able to tell them stories and experiences that they will not get from white guys or white-washed Asians like showing them pictures of crazy lightshows from my "hometown". FOBs can do this easily, but they are often too scared to approach or too beta.

So I play up the exotic card and be like yeah I am from Asia, and it's fucking cool. Like many of you here, I grew up hating the fact that I have the worst possible race for a male and just wanted to blend in with the mainstream American culture to feel accepted, it took me awhile to figure out that there are some pretty damn cool things about the Asian culture. So own it!

But now I don't really have any interest toward white girls after experiencing the femininity and "tightness" of Asian girls. I suspect those Asian guys who go after white girls exclusively do so because they have not conquered their inner self-loathing demon

I have been with more women than I can remember, and all of them have been white, I grew up in white neighborhood, went to school with white girls, etc.

I would agree with True Killa here on that you need to stand out from the typical Asian guy.

You almost need to give off that bad ass appeal. Get tattoos, grow long hair, get jacked, get a tan, put on some muscles, whatever just do it!

Most typical Asian guys I work in IT, finance, or education. Needy as hell, only been with one girl in there lifetime usually another dork asian chick and too passive.

As for approach I would generally agree to being more passive at first and then there is any indication she likes ratchet up the aggression and then isolate and then bingo!

One other thing that you might want to do is do more traveling into countries like Brazil, Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia. The girls are more open to Asian guys especially in Eastern Europe. Go get some confidence and go from there.


Good Luck Brother!

I second the bit about growing your hair. I've mentioned this before. People mentally slot others into categories. If you walk in at 5'6" you're "short guy."

But if you walk in at that same height with long hair, a goatee, and rock clothes, you're "hippie dude." This happened to me in college. Carrying a guitar helped. Women were so taken by whatever the hell badboy image they imagined I had, they missed my height.

Of course, once I opened my mouth it all came crashing down, but the hair did work. Still does.

[peterfoo22]

Yeah for whatever reason ever since I have grown long hair girls seem to love it.

I have no clue why, maybe its a rebel thing, definitely stands out though, I get lot more attention from it and hosts, promoters, etc remember my name more often.

P

[True Killa]

I agree asshole game works for MOST Asian dudes when dealing with American chicks, as long as you are a fun ass-hole. Because most Asian betas are assholes already, they just don't know it.

[Dalaran1991]

After taking a good look around at the people I know and observed, I think most of you are actually right. It's not being Asian, it's about height.

All the guys who are good with girls that I know, they are above 5"8. Including the Asians. I actually know 3 Asian-White couples. And the Asians guys are always either extremely cool ( 2 are dancers, 1 is a fencing champion) or very successful (1 is an artist and the other is a business man) But they are all 6". Now of course I know plenty of 6" losers, but that's just to say height really does help or hurt.

I think the fact that white guys have it easy mainly because they are genetically taller and they are associated with status and cool. When Asians or Blacks of the same height achieve the same degree of coolness or status, in the rare case I know they are even more successful.

Well this is not exactly good news cause neither height nor race is a changeable factor... I'm a martial artist and a dancer, so surgery is out of the question. Guess I'll really need to get more jacked and boost up my style, while working to lose that accent.

Tough job. But hard soil breeds hard men

[Dalaran1991]

(05-16-2014 02:49 AM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  

Yeah for whatever reason ever since I have grown long hair girls seem to love it.

I have no clue why, maybe its a rebel thing, definitely stands out though, I get lot more attention from it and hosts, promoters, etc remember my name more often.

P

If I do grow my hair, do I need to totally go with the hippy look? Because I like the classy but laid back style, with jeans and dress shirts with rolled up sleeves and 3 buttons opened. Sometimes a leather jacket or a blazer on. Would a long hair style go with this?

[Chewbacon]

height matters. I'm 5'6" and have the same game and looks as my friend who is 5'10". He still pulls 1.5 times what i pull in terms of volume and unsolicited interest from girls. It is what it is man. You have to compensate by having a rock solid frame, phenomenal confidence, being more interesting than the avg tall guy, etc. But look - being "good" with women - is all relative. Maybe you don't pull as many as tall guys, but if you pull a respectable number that you are happy with, who cares?

[Screwston]

Yall mofos got self esteem issues if you're putting blame on height.