[whoishe]

Few more things from me:

1) I am definitely in "prices didn't go significantly up despite hrivna devaluation" camp. At least when I compare them to December or April.

2) There is more muscled/ripped guys here than I would expected. It's not a high percentage (clearly lower than in Poland), but more than I thought. Not sure if it's because of a gyms (very expensive here) being more popular or them doing sports (wrestling/sambo/etc...) or just physical work in their daily jobs.

3) I rarely see a 6'0-6'1 guy here. The tallest one I saw was probably 6'4'-6'5 - he wasn't partcularly bad looking facially (not was extremely thin), but he was with below average girl. I guess he wasn't Deb.

4) It's an arts city (for Ukrainian standards), so you see more girls with tattoes/rings in her noses/short or crazy coloured hair. But percentage is stll nothing compared to every medium or high populated city in Poland.

5) Plenty of moms going with their kids her (with or without fathers) and percentage of them keeping in a good shape is very high. I was observing today couples with kids (when women was <35 yrs old) and didn't see even one of them looking like the highway to the fat city.

[jimukr104]

(05-24-2014 05:49 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  

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The theory is SOUND...for the future. Until crisis is over very few are going to be vacationing there or in Ukraine.
The bigger problem would be the class of people that go there. The rich usually go to Odessa. More families go to Crimea(rich tend to converge on Yalta). Most families can't afford Odessa.So it is a wash.
As for the 12 to 1 exchange rate what DO YOU LOVE ABOUT IT?
You may not realize it but you probably will only benefit from it on phone service, public transportation, internet service and maybe(big maybe) club entrances. In other words services.More importantly services that don't depend on raw resources(restaurants for example).
When currency went from 5 to 1 to 8-1 only my internet bill went down..a service that is completely domestic.
In Odessa(most of Ukraine) prices adjust quickly to currency changes. Since the country imports everything you won't see a reduction in prices and might even see increases due to higher energy prices.
In ukraine they tend to adjust prices accordingly and then some.
Fact: higher gas prices will mean prices of services will get adjusted accordingly. It always does.
possibility: rentals might go down this year but that will be not only because of vacancies because of crisis.
Odessa rental market is completely a renters market due to the 45,000 flats for sale in the city.They built much more apts than they have demand for or the economy supports. It is a shame. It went from being the most expensive outside of Kiev to NOT being so.
But most of those newer apts are higher end(near Acadia).

What does he love about a depreciated currency??

I would have thought that was pretty obvious, the Hryvnia has devalued 50% in the last few months, try and tell me inflation for most things has gone up 50%.

If you have foreign currency in Ukraine you are living like a King regardless of inflation.

Some of my expenses to give you an idea.

Gym membership, 250 UAH unlimited for a month
Cappuccino on main drag 16 UAH
Loaf of bread 6 UAH
Beer in a nice bar 18 UAH
Hot Grilled chicken sandwich 20 UAH
Shashlik 30 UAH
Vodka and Mixer in club 28 UAH

Many that get paid in UAH are really struggling

Yes if you have dollars you will NOT get hurt..but that is exactly what I am telling you.But you won't benefit too much either. Prices will inflate big time. I am basing my experience from actually living on and off there since 2000.
There is 3 kinds of inflation that happens in UA:
1. The normal one that hurts us since things stop being cheap. This is based on economic growth. Local's often don't get hurt because of cola raises. IMHO prices increased over 300% in the period 2002-2008. Clubs that cost 3 bucks were costing 10-11 bucks to get in.
Between 2005-2008 the inflation outstripped the COLA because of multiple gas price hikes.But in some ways things got cheaper.
2.Currency changes: When Yuschenko(out of pride) appreciated the currency from 5.44 to 4.50 per dollar foreigners were hurt since we got less per dollar. Locals were happy that foreign goods were cheaper but as usual the Ukrainian business mindset is to sell "exclusivity" and prices went up.
His currency appreciation is among one of the reasons the country was hurt so bad in 2008. He basically appreciated the currency as a matter of pride and so locals would feel richer(after all he campaigned on them having local salaries that were close to western lol). Considering the world economy was slowing down his move might be considered one of the biggest blunders ever done.He made there own products very unattractive and a trade deficit got bigger.
3.Gas price increases....ALWAYS trickles down to food, club entrance, services, everything. Again do they have to do it? maybe not! But it is a country that sells "exclusivity".
I am talking more Odessa, Kiev and Eastern UA. Western UA has always been cheaper and had a different mindset.

Your price list doesn't mean anything to me because I never spent much time in Lviv and Not sure what city your in. But a dollar and a half for beer seems about right. Deb was telling me that is what he paid back when it was 8 per 1 exchange .
Of that list the only thing that is probably benefiting is the gym membership(your listed price is pretty cheap btw regardless of exchange rate) . But most of that other stuff will reflect the inflation eventually.
In a western country certain prices get lower during a bad economy but in Ukraine since a great majority of leisure is marketed for the rich..nothing changes.

[SpecialEd]

Lol, I'm convinced jmukr104 has made it his life mission to keep guys out of the Ukraine.
If you're not a Russian-speaking oligarch with typical busted FSU looks just don't bother comrades.

Ukraine has nothing to gain by appreciating their currency. If anything, it will go down further. The structural issues in their economy make the PIGS look like Germany.

[jimukr104]

(05-24-2014 01:40 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

Lol, I'm convinced jmukr104 has made it his life mission to keep guys out of the Ukraine.
If you're not a Russian-speaking oligarch with typical busted FSU looks just don't bother comrades.

Ukraine has nothing to gain by appreciating their currency. If anything, it will go down further. The structural issues in their economy make the PIGS look like Germany.

??Why do you say that?
I have before said Kiev beats them all.But it certainly isn't cheaper than many countries.Ukrainians regardless of what gov't does pegs everything to the dollar... so that causes the necessary adjustments.
In other threads the only city I mention people should avoid is Odessa..but that's because it is generally harder to get quality there than most places. This is due to many variables. Roosh himself saw there girls being more snobby, hipster and they are known as money hungry scammer like.Great eye candy in certain places..but if you were just interested in looking why leave home? I am sure every redneckville has a strip joint eh?

I don't sugar coat anything.
That being said:where did I tell anyone not to go? My comment was specifically about prices and how things seem to go there. Nothing anyone else who has spent time there disagrees with.
Since 2004-2005 prices for many things actually have become similar to things I pay for in NYC. I am talking food prices, restaurants, etc. Main reason is because in USA we in addition to figuring out the economy and living like locals..we know how to take advantage of deals.Ukraine rarely gives deals.The business owners don't cater to the masses. We are talking about a country where people brag about paying more..not at how much they saved!
Now to prove my point..why don't I live in Odessa? Have a flat so I wouldn't have to pay rent.
Answer: Because overall I would actually spend more to live there than I do here.When I bought the flat back in 2003....it was different. But I have done the calculations and I have no doubt that this is a fact.
When most brag how cheap a country is they mean if you want to live like a local Ukrainian, Russian ,Martian, whatever. But since most foreigners can't or don't want to...it is irrelevant.
And most of your appeal would be loss if your living that way.And your self imposed exotic foreigner sex god status would crumble.(rolls eyes, 3 times)
Nothing less sexy to a FSU girl than showing lack of ambition to go travel/live in a country that is poor and live at that level. Heck even body odor is more sexy in Ukraine!(anyone who has been on public transportation there knows what I am talking about (()
Now if your life revolves around only cheap VICE(smoking, drinking cheap liquor) than I guess Ukraine is a paradise. But I suspect that most quality men want more than that and even the guys with more substance tend to get sick of it. I know many who left after binging.
Even the whores are not that cheap if that is your vice. I hear they often ask for 200. In Brooklyn I think they cost 150(they advertise in every local paper). But I am not Greek Kamaki..so I don't/can't use the price of girls as a cost of living comparison so.....LOL!
By all means if you want to hear only stories how every girl will be on your cock and how you will be a stud just because you speak English and have foreign status/looks I suggest you go read Debs old posts or follow him on that other forum.
But anyone who has actually been there knows it could be very good but it isn't WGF(white god factor).

*Go get your fuckin shine box Tommy*

[DaveR]

Jim is just giving you guys some of the negatives before you go balls deep into what always has been a disaster of a country. I do the same thing with Russia... It's easy to view a place with rose-tinted glasses before you've lived there, but after a few years you'll have a much more balanced perspective.

There's a reason these countries rub shoulders with African countries on just about every quality of life, competitiveness, ease of business, etc. index.

[SpecialEd]

(05-24-2014 03:53 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 01:40 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

Lol, I'm convinced jmukr104 has made it his life mission to keep guys out of the Ukraine.
If you're not a Russian-speaking oligarch with typical busted FSU looks just don't bother comrades.

Ukraine has nothing to gain by appreciating their currency. If anything, it will go down further. The structural issues in their economy make the PIGS look like Germany.

??Why do you say that?
I have before said Kiev beats them all.But it certainly isn't cheaper than many countries.Ukrainians regardless of what gov't does pegs everything to the dollar... so that causes the necessary adjustments.
In other threads the only city I mention people should avoid is Odessa..but that's because it is generally harder to get quality there than most places. This is due to many variables. Roosh himself saw there girls being more snobby, hipster and they are known as money hungry scammer like.Great eye candy in certain places..but if you were just interested in looking why leave home? I am sure every redneckville has a strip joint eh?

I don't sugar coat anything.
That being said:where did I tell anyone not to go? My comment was specifically about prices and how things seem to go there. Nothing anyone else who has spent time there disagrees with.
Since 2004-2005 prices for many things actually have become similar to things I pay for in NYC. I am talking food prices, restaurants, etc. Main reason is because in USA we in addition to figuring out the economy and living like locals..we know how to take advantage of deals.Ukraine rarely gives deals.The business owners don't cater to the masses. We are talking about a country where people brag about paying more..not at how much they saved!
Now to prove my point..why don't I live in Odessa? Have a flat so I wouldn't have to pay rent.
Answer: Because overall I would actually spend more to live there than I do here.When I bought the flat back in 2003....it was different. But I have done the calculations and I have no doubt that this is a fact.
When most brag how cheap a country is they mean if you want to live like a local Ukrainian, Russian ,Martian, whatever. But since most foreigners can't or don't want to...it is irrelevant.
And most of your appeal would be loss if your living that way.And your self imposed exotic foreigner sex god status would crumble.(rolls eyes, 3 times)
Nothing less sexy to a FSU girl than showing lack of ambition to go travel/live in a country that is poor and live at that level. Heck even body odor is more sexy in Ukraine!(anyone who has been on public transportation there knows what I am talking about (()
Now if your life revolves around only cheap VICE(smoking, drinking cheap liquor) than I guess Ukraine is a paradise. But I suspect that most quality men want more than that and even the guys with more substance tend to get sick of it. I know many who left after binging.
Even the whores are not that cheap if that is your vice. I hear they often ask for 200. In Brooklyn I think they cost 150(they advertise in every local paper). But I am not Greek Kamaki..so I don't/can't use the price of girls as a cost of living comparison so.....LOL!
By all means if you want to hear only stories how every girl will be on your cock and how you will be a stud just because you speak English and have foreign status/looks I suggest you go read Debs old posts or follow him on that other forum.
But anyone who has actually been there knows it could be very good but it isn't WGF(white god factor).

*Go get your fuckin shine box Tommy*

I cant be bothered to read all of that...

I just feel you exaggerate the difficulties in Ukraine. Saying preposterous things like looks don't matter doesn't add to your credibility. Women are women...lines on map doesn't change them.

I think there is a good reason for Ukraine's rep as a difficulty place to game. The country attracts the most mediocre middle-aged chumps from all over the Western-world. These guys never get laid in their home countries. Of course, their trip doesn't exactly pan out. They get angry and then use RVF as their soapbox dismissing the country as mission impossible.

[jimukr104]

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I cant be bothered to read all of that...

Of course because it is above your head.

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I just feel you exaggerate the difficulties in Ukraine. Saying preposterous things like looks don't matter doesn't add to your credibility. Women are women...lines on map doesn't change them.

I have not really talked about it being that difficult so in addition to low reading comprehension skills you obviously mistook me for someone else.
I have said in a old post( like a year ago?) that looks aren't as important, as in west. What is your point? that has been confirmed by almost everyone online here. It just takes opening your eyes.It is further down at the bottom in qualities they look for.
More of my point was that what they even find attractive is very different than what Anglo women do.Some of us can probably look at guys and tell if they are the preferred type for a region. Plenty of members have done the same for SEA and Latin America. That is a fact..it is cultural bias.
Even in America certain women like certain "faces" more than others..and they are going by their media/Hollywood brainwashing.
Girls in FSU or SEA or any other region are influenced by their own mass media and society programming.
Although you aren't a rocket scientist..it doesn't take one to figure that out. Try opening a psychology book maybe?
Funny your in a "game" forum if you discount Psych 101 stuff. Seems your a game denialist!(ban hammer)
Women are women everywhere? With same society tastes and standards?Heck man.. even guys have different tastes. Don't we all have that friend who likes girls we think are ugly?
I wonder how old you are?? Seems you have it all figured out! or maybe you think they are the same due to all of them responding to you the same way! We will let the readers decide if that is positive or negative!

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I think there is a good reason for Ukraine's rep as a difficulty place to game. The country attracts the most mediocre middle-aged chumps from all over the Western-world. These guys never get laid in their home countries. Of course, their trip doesn't exactly pan out. They get angry and then use RVF as their soapbox dismissing the country as mission impossible.

Maybe but a few things come to mind:
1. If that was true than we would hear similar things about other countries. Honestly IMHO the caliber a guys you speak of are found NOT just in Ukraine. Members on this forum seem to have been on average to multiple regions of the world so that kind of discounts your theory as being specific to Ukraine.

2. The majority of guys complaining as you say and call them "mediocre middle-aged chumps " have been Roosh, Akula, Slubu, Menace ,Vorkuta etc...should I continue?Even Deb admitted he has to work and ONS are uncommon for him.
All of them have repeatedly said Ukraine is above average difficulty and harder than most countries.They also know/learned who they should avoid. So I guess they should just are "mediocre middle-aged chumps " in your opinion?(your words NOT mine)
3. I repeat..I never said anything that the so called Guru's found DIFFERENT!I reviewed "Bang Ukraine" before being published and it was very spot on in many areas.
4. Why are you commenting in the 1st place if you never been there? and if you don't value the opinions of those who have experience there then why are you even reading in this forum?
5. Now based on your naive attitude(I explained in the PM) I suspect any story coming from you would 95% be made up crap...even if you look like an Adonis!Because some game would be required and that means an understanding of Psychology(plus an Adonis wouldn't necessarily have an advantage over others ).
6. Being "mediocre middle-aged chumps " I guess I did terrible..married a "9" and having my 13th year anniversary in June. She cooks, cleans, takes care of the Cat, works out ,allowed me to have a 3 some 2 times with her and another girl , does most of what I tell he to do and told me when we were 1st married "if you get a mistress I don't even want to know".
I should mention I am still slim in shape and 6 ft tall and almost at my second million. So much for being a chump eh? Oh yeah I am 41 but seems girls here in Brooklyn refer to me as "Malodoy chelevek".
Many of the other so called chumps are also successful and in shape like Slubu and Worldwide. There goes your theory...I have rarely seen a fat old guy in Ukraine from the west. This isn't the phillippines.

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-24-2014 06:27 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

I cant be bothered to read all of that...

I just feel you exaggerate the difficulties in Ukraine. Saying preposterous things like looks don't matter doesn't add to your credibility. Women are women...lines on map doesn't change them.

I think there is a good reason for Ukraine's rep as a difficulty place to game. The country attracts the most mediocre middle-aged chumps from all over the Western-world. These guys never get laid in their home countries. Of course, their trip doesn't exactly pan out. They get angry and then use RVF as their soapbox dismissing the country as mission impossible.

Tell us about your experiences there or a link to them if you had posted elsewhere.

[SpecialEd]

Jim, you alright man? I know that copy and paste button is handy but still..

[jimukr104]

(05-24-2014 07:01 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

Jim, you alright man? I know that copy and paste button is handy but still..

I already responded..NOT all of us sit in front of the pc every second!

Again nothing you said changes anything really. You just pretty naive is all. Those are your opinions based on......

Copy and Paste?? That comment you once posted on how you get attention for being exotic in All countries was absurd.But if in your fantasy world it works for you so be it.
But I assure you being a American white guy in most of EE won't get you anything special with 95% of the population. Your exocticness(is that even a word?) might be special only to the smal % of groupies.

[jimukr104]

WOW Worldwide traveler banned him!
How dare you doubt his experience...he was" special"..Special Ed that is:

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-24-2014 07:38 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

WOW Worldwide traveler banned him!
How dare you doubt his experience...he was" special"..Special Ed that is:

hah To be clear, I'm not a mod nor do I have banning privileges. Good posts, Jim.

[jimukr104]

(05-24-2014 07:44 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 07:38 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

WOW Worldwide traveler banned him!
How dare you doubt his experience...he was" special"..Special Ed that is:

hah To be clear, I'm not a mod nor do I have banning privileges. Good posts, Jim.

Tank you Uncle Roosh!
"I been trolled"....at least he "didn't sink my battleship". A TROLL with 200 posts.
Just so you guys know what paste and copy he was talking about.. I called him out on this post dated:

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t's hard to get a clear picture and perhaps it depends a lot on the city.. According to guys like Kamaki or jimukr, you need to be a mini-oligarch to live well in Kiev. Maybe if you play sponsorship-game...I live well in south florida on about $3K a month. I can't imagine Kiev has a remotely similar cost of living.

Now considering rent cost more in Kiev than Florida as well as some other things ...he was "shotgunning"

Now the most absurd thing I ever heard. Sometimes true..but he implied it was 99% of the time:

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It's funny. I've heard about this supposed 'local guy' advantage in every country I've been to and it just doesn't stack up with my experience.

Women, just like men, like exotic flesh. If given the choice between exotic flesh and money, then they may choose the later. But foreign+money=negligible competition from local guys.

Now that showed he had no clue what the meaning of Racist or xenophobia means. He saw the trees for the forest. Typical young inexperience game.

[Moriarty]

(05-24-2014 12:15 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 05:49 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  

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The theory is SOUND...for the future. Until crisis is over very few are going to be vacationing there or in Ukraine.
The bigger problem would be the class of people that go there. The rich usually go to Odessa. More families go to Crimea(rich tend to converge on Yalta). Most families can't afford Odessa.So it is a wash.
As for the 12 to 1 exchange rate what DO YOU LOVE ABOUT IT?
You may not realize it but you probably will only benefit from it on phone service, public transportation, internet service and maybe(big maybe) club entrances. In other words services.More importantly services that don't depend on raw resources(restaurants for example).
When currency went from 5 to 1 to 8-1 only my internet bill went down..a service that is completely domestic.
In Odessa(most of Ukraine) prices adjust quickly to currency changes. Since the country imports everything you won't see a reduction in prices and might even see increases due to higher energy prices.
In ukraine they tend to adjust prices accordingly and then some.
Fact: higher gas prices will mean prices of services will get adjusted accordingly. It always does.
possibility: rentals might go down this year but that will be not only because of vacancies because of crisis.
Odessa rental market is completely a renters market due to the 45,000 flats for sale in the city.They built much more apts than they have demand for or the economy supports. It is a shame. It went from being the most expensive outside of Kiev to NOT being so.
But most of those newer apts are higher end(near Acadia).

What does he love about a depreciated currency??

I would have thought that was pretty obvious, the Hryvnia has devalued 50% in the last few months, try and tell me inflation for most things has gone up 50%.

If you have foreign currency in Ukraine you are living like a King regardless of inflation.

Some of my expenses to give you an idea.

Gym membership, 250 UAH unlimited for a month
Cappuccino on main drag 16 UAH
Loaf of bread 6 UAH
Beer in a nice bar 18 UAH
Hot Grilled chicken sandwich 20 UAH
Shashlik 30 UAH
Vodka and Mixer in club 28 UAH

Many that get paid in UAH are really struggling

Yes if you have dollars you will NOT get hurt..but that is exactly what I am telling you.But you won't benefit too much either. Prices will inflate big time. I am basing my experience from actually living on and off there since 2000.
There is 3 kinds of inflation that happens in UA:
1. The normal one that hurts us since things stop being cheap. This is based on economic growth. Local's often don't get hurt because of cola raises. IMHO prices increased over 300% in the period 2002-2008. Clubs that cost 3 bucks were costing 10-11 bucks to get in.
Between 2005-2008 the inflation outstripped the COLA because of multiple gas price hikes.But in some ways things got cheaper.
2.Currency changes: When Yuschenko(out of pride) appreciated the currency from 5.44 to 4.50 per dollar foreigners were hurt since we got less per dollar. Locals were happy that foreign goods were cheaper but as usual the Ukrainian business mindset is to sell "exclusivity" and prices went up.
His currency appreciation is among one of the reasons the country was hurt so bad in 2008. He basically appreciated the currency as a matter of pride and so locals would feel richer(after all he campaigned on them having local salaries that were close to western lol). Considering the world economy was slowing down his move might be considered one of the biggest blunders ever done.He made there own products very unattractive and a trade deficit got bigger.
3.Gas price increases....ALWAYS trickles down to food, club entrance, services, everything. Again do they have to do it? maybe not! But it is a country that sells "exclusivity".
I am talking more Odessa, Kiev and Eastern UA. Western UA has always been cheaper and had a different mindset.

Your price list doesn't mean anything to me because I never spent much time in Lviv and Not sure what city your in. But a dollar and a half for beer seems about right. Deb was telling me that is what he paid back when it was 8 per 1 exchange .
Of that list the only thing that is probably benefiting is the gym membership(your listed price is pretty cheap btw regardless of exchange rate) . But most of that other stuff will reflect the inflation eventually.
In a western country certain prices get lower during a bad economy but in Ukraine since a great majority of leisure is marketed for the rich..nothing changes.

Not talking about Dollars but almost ANY foreign currency

These prices are in Odessa and you know these prices are right, which leads me to believe what someone said earlier in the thread...you are trying to stop people coming to Odessa/Ukraine.

Inflation is not affecting club prices as far as I can see, in fact if anything it's having the reverse affect. Club entrances are the same, I have never paid more than 100 UAH, in fact when I was in Kiev some top end clubs were charging no cover at all, they just want to get people in as it's a crisis.

As The Duke said, Ukraine is a bargain right now, both for tourists and businessmen, can you honestly disagree with that?

[Moriarty]

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In other threads the only city I mention people should avoid is Odessa..but that's because it is generally harder to get quality there than most places. This is due to many variables. Roosh himself saw there girls being more snobby, hipster and they are known as money hungry scammer like.Great eye candy in certain places..but if you were just interested in looking why leave home? I am sure every redneckville has a strip joint eh?

More information to reinforce the opinion

I'm not sure about Roosh's experience in Odessa, but I have found Odessa girls the sluttiest in the whole country, i'm here now. Yes there are money hungry scammers, but they target the older guys straight from USA.

I've found some wonderful girls here, one is taking a shower now while I write this. She has been with me for more than a month, never asks me for anything, never complains, always a smile on her face, she's wonderful

Hipsters?, they probably make up less than 1% of the female population of Odessa, maybe higher than other cities but who cares, hipsters here can be hot and slutty.

If you really aren't trying to stop people visiting Odessa maybe you could do a datasheet?

If not maybe I will, I could do with some new wingmen

[Greek kamaki]

The prices for hotels,clubs,restaurants remain always the same after depreciation of gryvnia in Ukraine since they are calculated in dollars.These are the main expenses a tourist will have.

[Moriarty]

(05-25-2014 03:02 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The prices for hotels,clubs,restaurants remain always the same after depreciation of gryvnia in Ukraine since they are calculated in dollars.These are the main expenses a tourist will have.

LOL, complete nonsense.

They are all in UAH(except for maybe the higher end hotels)

[Greek kamaki]

Do you want to imply that clubs like Decadence,D'Lux or hotels in Kiev cost now less?I doubt about that.
Of course they are forced to show prices in gryvnia since it is the local currency but the real pricing is in dollars since Ukrainians always prefer the most stable currency.(if dollar falls they price in grivnya).
If they really lowered the hotel prices after grivnya devaluation it would be surprise for me.

[Moriarty]

Like I said it's not that they cost less, but some.clubs in arena city like decadence aren't charging a cover at all. And that's at the weekend.

Almost everywhere I go is maximum 100uah entry. And some places in Odessa for example charge nothing at all.

Drink prices have gone up very little, in.Odessa I'm.paying about 20 in.most places

My favourite hotel in Ukraine charges 350 the same as it did three years ago.

If they put up.prices too much people won't buy - simple.

So yes Ukraine is a lot cheaper for almost everything than it was 6 months ago. I recently bought a new smartphone for 5555 uah, this price is lower than in US. Retailers her have to be competitive or nobody will buy. 5555 uah is a month and a half salary for many people here

The UAH was artificially high for a long time, now it it's as a realistic rate for what is the new poorest country in Europe

[DaveR]

GK is right on the price issue - you may see prices listed in UAH, but they are adjusted very quickly to absorb any change in exchange rates: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35744-...#pid721756

[Moriarty]

Inflation is not 50 percent, the UAH has devalued by 50percent against many major currencies.

Rent prices have crashed in Odessa, I looked at a luxury 3 bedroom apartment in centre the other day for 900 usd. Landlord was renting for 1500 USD before.

In Kiev I was renting a hostel dorm for 50 uah a night and it was empty, normal price would be 100uah.

Its not just the devaluation in uah, it's also the political situation. People are scared to come to Ukraine, less tourists equals lower prices in many sectors

Clothing prices have risen considerably, then again many retailers have excess stock to clear so there are some great bargains to be had

[Moriarty]

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My shopping at the Supermarket today

10 Eggs 11 UAH(Same as 6 months ago)
A pack of cured ham 27 UAH, probably a few UAH more(but not 50% more)
Loin Pork Chops 26 UAH, again a couple more UAH than usual
1 Litre of "Rich" Orange Juice(My favourite one) price unchanged in last couple of years 11 UAH
Fusilli Pasta 500g 13.55 UAH, maybe 2 UAH more than usual.
Strawberries 16 UAH

[jimukr104]

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These prices are in Odessa and you know these prices are right, which leads me to believe what someone said earlier in the thread...you are trying to stop people coming to Odessa/Ukraine.

Reallly? You figured out my diabolical plan . Now idiots of course MOST of us would want out of UA , in fact I would want them out of NYC as well and planet earth as well.. I will let the jury decide what category of brilliance you fit in.
Your welcome to Odessa..in fact since you love it so much I will sell you mt flat..what do you say? Reverse psychology!
Dude..your not making a good name for yourself by parroting a guy who just got banned for trolling who NEVER was there.It was bough to my attention that he is/was trolling RVF on the Nomad forum..even used same name.
I am Not in Odessa at the moment so I can't comment. If you use your reading comprehension skills you will see that I said the prices will eventually adjust itself.It always has...are you going to say 14 years of watching what has happened is out the window?
The IMF and EU pact even guarantees price inflation in the near future.

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Rent prices have crashed in Odessa, I looked at a luxury 3 bedroom apartment in centre the other day for 900 usd. Landlord was renting for 1500 USD before.

In Kiev I was renting a hostel dorm for 50 uah a night and it was empty, normal price would be 100uah.

Its not just the devaluation in uah, it's also the political situation. People are scared to come to Ukraine, less tourists equals lower prices in many sectors

Clothing prices have risen considerably, then again many retailers have excess stock to clear so there are some great bargains to be had

Wow..now your using my own examples to prove your point? Which don't even contradict my points. Your a riot!
Go back and read..I gave the same explanations. NONE OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH CURRENCY DEVALUATION..THAT IS THE POINT I WAS MAKING.
My flat went from being worth 135k to about 70k since 2008..the market had crashed, has nothing to do with currency. As Greek ,myself and Dave said the local economy is pegged to the dollar, all of UA is.
Odessa in addition to having an excess of apts that go over demand has a CASH issue. Most people want dollars for flats and it is hard to get dollars in large quantities atm so less flats are being sold than normal.At the CRISIS with Russia and there is a perfect storm. But again (yelling) that has nothing to do with currency devaluation.
I also mentioned the excess stock issue but that will change when stock runs out. Elimination of trade tariffs will make some of the imports cheaper but unfortunately less demand because of income issues.
Overall your probably paying similar as someone payed last year for many items and just don't realize it.

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Like I said it's not that they cost less, but some.clubs in arena city like decadence aren't charging a cover at all. And that's at the weekend.

Again more due to supply and demand but if demand is there it will be adjusted. Give it time!

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The prices for hotels,clubs,restaurants remain always the same after depreciation of gryvnia in Ukraine since they are calculated in dollars.These are the main expenses a tourist will have.

Bingo exactly!

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I'm not sure about Roosh's experience in Odessa, but I have found Odessa girls the sluttiest in the whole country, i'm here now. Yes there are money hungry scammers, but they target the older guys straight from USA.

Actually I partly agree here. In my old datasheet of their mentality I said such..the reason is Odessans act more like western girls. That includes the bad traits as well! It is also a city that is known for centuries as hooker capital in the region.
My biggest complaint is that the girls act snobby and even feminism exists there. It is a city where women don't need a man. But again the really hot ones do belong to some rich guy. I even heard girls telling guys to FUCK OFF!
Not all guys on RVF want to go to a city where the women are more independent, think their all that, foreigners have no status, and they don't need a man attitude etc. As my wifes girl friend said "Sex and the City is like Odessa lifestyle" Since most guys going to Ukraine don't want that..my advice is completely sound! Stay in West if you want sluts..much easier and cheaper than gaming Ukrainian sluts.
But if you read my old DATA sheet you would see that I did say they are the most western mentality of whole FSU and that includes slut behavior. In fact I mentioned that the 1st sex shop was in Odessa.
P.S.--they prefer older guys than younger guys so I question your comment??I don't mean real old..but 35-40 seems to be the preferred range for anyone over college age.Why? because they think guy is more secure mentally and financially.

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Hipsters?, they probably make up less than 1% of the female population of Odessa, maybe higher than other cities but who cares, hipsters here can be hot and slutty.

Who knows %? but the artsy type % is high and the Odessan style in many of our views is not as hot as Eastern UA ..but that is an opinion so yours might be different.

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I've found some wonderful girls here, one is taking a shower now while I write this. She has been with me for more than a month, never asks me for anything, never complains, always a smile on her face, she's wonderful

Well since we don't see those girls we will take your word for it! After all your rep here is VERY sound.
But I do believe they are smiling. Do you not find that odd? I have met many tourists to Odessa that say the girls smile in Odessa just like in USA. If you been to other cities you will notice they don't. Is it because of their special humor they are known for? or is it because they learn to fleece tourists from a young age by behaving proper? I leave that to you to decide...visitors and expats alike have spend time debating that one.

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If they really lowered the hotel prices after grivnya devaluation it would be surprise for me.

He might be right..but because of supply and demand issues NOT the currency devaluation. But I would suspect that to change if tourism picks up. As I mentioned and Moriarty ignored, Odessa has an excess of flats and that is keeping prices very low. But that has nothing to do with currency devaluation nor even the CRISIS. Odessa has for a city it size too many flats that were built and too many selling. People rent or try to rent until they sell them.

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10 Eggs 11 UAH(Same as 6 months ago)
A pack of cured ham 27 UAH, probably a few UAH more(but not 50% more)
Loin Pork Chops 26 UAH, again a couple more UAH than usual
1 Litre of "Rich" Orange Juice(My favourite one) price unchanged in last couple of years 11 UAH
Fusilli Pasta 500g 13.55 UAH, maybe 2 UAH more than usual.
Strawberries 16 UAH

Doesn't mean much for most of us because it depends on what we paid 12 months ago..but I suspect since everyone has to eat prices will go up more and higher gas prices generally increase food prices (worldwide actually). In fact EU will start buying more food bringing up prices.When I was there last year I paid I believe about the same.that means currency devaluation had very little effect.
But again..go back to reading comprehension. I stick by what I said...prices in UA aren't cheap by USA standards since 2005. It use to be cheaper..in fact I could spend half of what I spent on food in the USA. Now it is the same and in many cases it is more for many things including meat.
For example:
14 ozs of Fusili pasta I got at Stop &shop for 99 cents
my wife just picked up Strawberries for a buck.
Pork chops on sale 1.99 lb
Eggs about the same since we get 1 dozen.
This is NYC prices....
Funny because Rasputin night club(closed now)..famous Russian club cost 10 bucks when i went a few years ago. Many NYC clubs are free if you get on a list(not hard since my pops use to be in the club business).
Got Lacostes shirt for 35 bucks that I saw selling in UA for close to 100 bucks.
I stick by my view that NYC is cheaper in many ways..plus you don't have to buy girls drinks here lol.


@Mariarty....are you buying my apt yet? Please do! You really shouldn't go to Sudan. It really sucks and is bad for chicks(hoping he will fall for my reverse psych and go there)
That being said..since you believe in conspiracy theories and so did SpecialED..I am going to go out on a limb here.
I could be wrong..its my police OCD but are you friends with SpecialED? or even the same person?
I mention this because (drum roll) it seems like he is KISSING your ass in some pass threads. Reminds me of blind leading the blind routine.
You should also re read what Kamaki said about Dollars being used. In Ukraine(imho other FSU countries as well) local commerce is pegged to the dollar(or any stable currency). It has always been that way. When people got paid in local currency the 1st thing they did was exchange it for dollar(Euro maybe).That is one of the reason you get better exchange rates in the black market..there is a demand for dollars. Now probably more than ever. That means most non gov't services are going to be forced to adjust at some point.

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If not maybe I will, I could do with some new wingmen

Indeed....then you can school everyone on your studliness . You realize we aren't chatting about Odessa Texas..right?

[Moriarty]

Your missing the point JimUKR

You slated The Duke for saying that he loves the exchange RIGHT NOW, you are talking now what might happen in THE FUTURE.

RIGHT NOW, it is WAY CHEAPER than it was SIX MONTHS AGO

Which makes for a very HAPPY love tourist.

Sounds like you are a pay for lay kind of guy(like Greek Kamaki). I never stretch to more than a few cocktails, and that's only if she is hot.

I'm getting laid more in Odessa than elsewhere in Ukraine, when I talk English they want to talk to me, and I find the women here more cultured and cool than in other cities.

Are you REALLY trying to tell me that all prices have gone up 50% since the UAH crashed??



19 UAH for a Chicken Sandwich, 29 UAH for a Cesar Salad. Try telling me these were 50% cheaper 6 months ago!.

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I am Not in Odessa at the moment so I can't comment.

You are doing well for someone who can't comment

You also sound like one of the bitter twisted guys that sits around in the Irish Bar all day complaining about how you've been wronged by some woman or another


Maybe i'm the same person or friends with the Duke as well?? The guy you slated if you remember, for saying that it's cheaper than when he was here last.

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As for the 12 to 1 exchange rate what DO YOU LOVE ABOUT IT?
You may not realize it but you probably will only benefit from it on phone service, public transportation, internet service and maybe(big maybe) club entrances. In other words services.More importantly services that don't depend on raw resources(restaurants for example).

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My biggest complaint is that the girls act snobby and even feminism exists there. It is a city where women don't need a man. But again the really hot ones do belong to some rich guy. I even heard girls telling guys to FUCK OFF!

God help any poor forum member that listens to any of your negative ramblings.

A girl told a guy to fuck off? Gosh, how terrible!. A girl is acting snobby when she is being harassed by a fat Turkish tourist, how dare she!

Looking through your previous posts I can't recall you saying anything positive whatsoever regarding Ukraine, which might explain why you have gone home. Sorry it didn't work out for you, I love it

[DaveR]

(05-25-2014 05:34 AM)Moriarty Wrote:  

My shopping at the Supermarket today

10 Eggs 11 UAH(Same as 6 months ago)
A pack of cured ham 27 UAH, probably a few UAH more(but not 50% more)
Loin Pork Chops 26 UAH, again a couple more UAH than usual
1 Litre of "Rich" Orange Juice(My favourite one) price unchanged in last couple of years 11 UAH
Fusilli Pasta 500g 13.55 UAH, maybe 2 UAH more than usual.
Strawberries 16 UAH

Based on the prices, all except the pasta and strawberries appears to be local. If you enjoy all the carcinogens, go for it. Even in Poland, with all of the EU's regulations, they were caught using road salt to cure ham.

So looking at an item like pasta, which is most likely from Spain, there is already a 17% increase. That's a product with a 2- or 3-year shelf life and weighted average cost is likely coming into play. Once the stock moves through the system, the price will be fully adjusted and will in all likeliness be bang-on the shift in exchange rates.

You have admitted yourself that foreign-produced goods like clothes have already risen significantly. I provided