[DVY]

^^^Berserk know what hes talking about. Thais are very insular- "rah rah I love the king."

[Sp5]

I don't disagree with the above. On the other hand, the Thais have a strong culture and the personal confidence that comes with it. They have amazing esteem for their own culture.

If you had a kid with a Thai woman, the kid would get a primer in Thai culture and would have that grounding. If you were able to balance it, it would be powerful. If you didn't, it would be a grounding.

Unfortunately, Filipinos were stripped of a lot of their culture by Spain and especially the USA. That's why the food sucks in Manila, I think - all fast food.

[Trav_Ler]

Could you explain more specifically why you would rather trust a Filipina than a Thai?

Here's a detailed treatment of the subject
http://tinyurl.com/winmat7853

[iknowexactly]

(03-29-2014 12:24 AM)Lika Wrote:  

I'm not American and I lived in many countries around the world. I don't want to get into the specifics of your budget.

I'm only wondering why you don't seem to be interested in living with this woman in the USA for a while and see how it goes (if you can't afford to live in the Philippines with enough income)

I may not have explained my Master Plan lol well, let me clarify.

I want to live with the woman and have a kid in the Phils partially as a way to have a longer time to assess her loyalty. If I bring a hot, childless 20 year old to the US (1) it takes about a year to get the fiancee ( K1) visa to bring her here, and (2) she probably will re-evaluate her ability to get a YoungTallCool guy instead of me once she gets here.

If we stay in Phils, have a kid, and we don't get along after a year/two years, then we can separate and I can pay for child care, just much less than I would in the USA. I'm not really worried about her taking care of the kid because even in the most venomous divorces I never see the woman turn against the kids, only against the husband.

It sounds cold, but giving me a (DNA tested) kid is about the most objective, irreversible commitment a woman can show me. Words and promises mean nothing to me, and at my age I don't have 3-4 years to live with a girl prior to having a kid to find out what her character really is.

If I live in the Philippines until the kid is 3-4 years old, then I have time to judge the woman's character and she is much less marketable and presumably willing to try for a cock carousel run once she reaches the USA.

If I bring her here when the kid's 5, it takes two years for her to get Green Card, if she divorces me then, and I become a victim of the USA Family Court system, the worst case is about 11 years of child support, which is much less terrifying to me than 17 or 18.

The most terrifying thing to me is in the USA the Family Court can order you to work full time...There is no appeal and I can easily get a job any time and they know it....it doesn't matter if you and the woman agreed that you will NOT be working full time.. agreements like that are unenforceable in Family Court.

[Lika]

(03-30-2014 12:12 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

If I live in the Philippines until the kid is 3-4 years old, then I have time to judge the woman's character and she is much less marketable and presumably willing to try for a cock carousel run once she reaches the USA.

Oh wow now I understand you better. It's the American family court system that gets in the way...

I think that if you have a child with her, you should be able to judge her character in 1-2 years though. Of course she can always change when in the USA but I don't think it will make a difference if you stay 2 years or 6 years in the Philippines with her first.

(03-30-2014 12:12 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

If I bring her here when the kid's 5, it takes two years for her to get Green Card, if she divorces me then, and I become a victim of the USA Family Court system, the worst case is about 11 years of child support, which is much less terrifying to me than 17 or 18.
The most terrifying thing to me is in the USA the Family Court can order you to work full time...

If you're in your late 50s, you're not far from retirement though. Can they still force you to work?

[iknowexactly]

(03-30-2014 02:28 AM)Lika Wrote:  

If you're in your late 50s, you're not far from retirement though. Can they still force you to work?

I don't mind working, I've spent 25 years becoming valuable enough to make a good living working part-time. It's being forced by court order to work full time that I'm not open to.

For me the answer is, as far as I know, they can do anything they want. I don't think there are appeals courts in the family court system. The driving force is all decisions are made for what they see as the interests of the child. You're just an ATM, your QOL means zero.

I'd prefer not to find out how miserable they can make my life.

"Never get in a fair fight."

Why expose yourself to a totally arbitrary system with absolute power over you? To set an example of stupidity and bad planning for your kid lol?

I can't plan ALL details (how long to stay in Phils/overseas) , but my general strategy is to be with my kid while reducing the time and degree to which the stacked American Family court system can control the details of my everyday life. Then use my EU passport to get kid free uni.

[Sp5]

(03-30-2014 06:21 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Then use my EU passport to get kid free uni.

I looked into this and other EU health and social welfare benefits.

It's not that easy unless you and the kid are not just citizens, but bona fide residents of a European country. That means living and maybe working in Europe for awhile. You can't just fly in and use the passport you got from your Italian mother to start getting free stuff.

[JayMeister]

(03-30-2014 07:08 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 06:21 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Then use my EU passport to get kid free uni.

I looked into this and other EU health and social welfare benefits.

It's not that easy unless you and the kid are not just citizens, but bona fide residents of a European country. That means living and maybe working in Europe for awhile. You can't just fly in and use the passport you got from your Italian mother to start getting free stuff.

You are wrong actually. At least in the Netherlands, anybody who is a resident and a citizen can claim student aid (which is being reduced a lot recently btw, to turn it into a loan) as well as study at any Dutch university for 130 euros a month. Note that the University of Amsterdam (my uni) is ranked 70-ish in the world, so it is not that shabby. I'm sure you can get higher though, in other EU countries, and maybe even at less total cost.

If somebody has a passport they can become a resident and start claiming these things. Even people who live in the Dutch Antilles can do so. The only requirement is that you meet the requirements for entering university (which for foreigners is much more difficult to prove). In IKE's case I'm pretty sure the kid would have to go to a top top top Phils high school and get very high grades in order to even be considered for a university in the EU. A university of applied sciences (a fake university and I resent they call it that, btw) would be easier to get into.

[Sp5]

(03-30-2014 07:53 AM)JayMeister Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 07:08 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 06:21 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Then use my EU passport to get kid free uni.

I looked into this and other EU health and social welfare benefits.

It's not that easy unless you and the kid are not just citizens, but bona fide residents of a European country. That means living and maybe working in Europe for awhile. You can't just fly in and use the passport you got from your Italian mother to start getting free stuff.

You are wrong actually. At least in the Netherlands, anybody who is a resident and a citizen can claim student aid (which is being reduced a lot recently btw, to turn it into a loan) as well as study at any Dutch university for 130 euros a month. Note that the University of Amsterdam (my uni) is ranked 70-ish in the world, so it is not that shabby. I'm sure you can get higher though, in other EU countries, and maybe even at less total cost.

If somebody has a passport they can become a resident and start claiming these things. Even people who live in the Dutch Antilles can do so. The only requirement is that you meet the requirements for entering university (which for foreigners is much more difficult to prove). In IKE's case I'm pretty sure the kid would have to go to a top top top Phils high school and get very high grades in order to even be considered for a university in the EU. A university of applied sciences (a fake university and I resent they call it that, btw) would be easier to get into.

It depends on the country. Some European universities require you to have resided in Europe for a time before claiming benefits and low tuition.

[caracal]

IKE, there is an excellent website called liveinthephilippines that will give you an idea of what life in La Pilipinas will be like - I would suggest you read it to become more familiar with the culture although the only way to truly learn is live there (I am in no way associated with the website)

[john54]

IKE, I can understand the jet lag long flights and time change are tough.
Can I ask which airline you found best from the west coast. Is upgrading to business or first class worth it? Thanks

[iknowexactly]

(03-31-2014 12:20 PM)john54 Wrote:  

IKE, I can understand the jet lag long flights and time change are tough.
Can I ask which airline you found best from the west coast. Is upgrading to business or first class worth it? Thanks

First, I flew Sacramento->LAX->Narita->Manila, flights for Japan air don't seem to go direct SFO->Japan, some go through Texas which seems insane. So where you're leaving from in West Coast makes a difference. Also,if you like eye-candy, make sure you don't get a code-share with an American air line with fat and/or burnt-out stews hanging on for their pensions. I made sure to get REAL Japanese flights both ways from USA-Japan and Philippines-Japan.

Best airline and value of Biz/1st class are relative to your preferences and budget. There are others here who have flown far more in Asia than me. I've only flown Japan Air Lines and loved it. 767s (fave ) and 777 (still good). They are doing some 787s which give me an absolute boner.

Philippines airlines does direct Calif to Manila (14 hours westbound) but I found only 747s which I don't like, and the flights still seemed expensive like 1300+.

Also, there are people here who know a lot more about upgrading cheaply into biz class using miles etc, which is all beyond my expertise.

But just looking at Japan Air Lines corporate reservation page (not a discounter) for a 4 month trip form July to November --RT San Francisco to Manila-- Economy fare is about USD1400 and Business is about 3400.

So based on about 32 hours of travel you'd be paying sixty-something dollars per hour extra to be in Business Class instead of Coach.... you also would get more frequent flier miles but it just seems way too much to me. I guess maybe if you make something like 150-$200 per hour+ it starts to seem more reasonable.

=====================================
Again, there are people who know much more about various Asian airlines than I do, but I'll tell you my preferences.

I loved JAL, and partly from other experience in the past and partly from the recent plane disappearance where it looks like a mentally ill pilot from a Islamic country may have killed 200+ people when possible I only fly airlines from 1st World non-muslim countries for safety/maintenance reasons.

On flights in Ukraine or Philippines domestic this wasn't possible, so in Philippines i took Philippines Air Lines, the oldest and most established carrier for safety even though domestic cost maybe 80 each way instead of 60. Also, PAL flew very comfortable, spacious Airbus 320s where Cebu Airlines flew older 737s I think.

In Asia, I only think Singapore, Korea and Japan are truly wealthy countries, where there aren't any desperately poor people anywhere in the maintenance supply chain. In my mind, that supply chain includes everyone who might have cooked for the pilots or flight crew, or any country where crew might have desperate, poor or hyper religious relatives. I also have driven Toyotas for 30 years with amazing reliability so I am partial to the country that makes those. I met some Korean stews in Cebu and they were pretty bitchy, so I'm taking the Japanese over them.

The JAL stews are cute and supremely polite, planes VERY clean, and I saw two really cool Japanese movies (with English subtitles) that never make to America (One called The Eternal Zero and the other about a Medieval tea master) that were really moving and extremely educational for me about Japanese culture. The food was a little weird with small servings, but I don't think you can be sure of good food on any economy flight.

On the way back, because of layover I got a free overnight stay in the Nikko Narita airport hotel with free immaculate airlines shuttle, It was super-cute, like something out of a James Bond 1960s movie. You can't count on this however they told me.

[Global Entry]

I posted this on another thread, addresses your question John.

RE: Bought a One Way Ticket To Manila...
Just some insights, on my third brief tour of the Philippines, travel-wise. Philippine Airways is a solid choice, and from LA, has been price commensurate (and service commensurate in coach, though not in business, which is why its much cheaper than true business class tickets (same as Malaysia, another perhaps even more ghetto-biz class airline).(NOTE: THIS WAS WRITTEN PREVIOUS TO THE RECENT AIRLINER DISAPPEARANCE - I IMAGINE MALAYSIAN AIRLINES IS PROBABLY DIRT CHEAP RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN CHECK, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THAT WAY). Flights through LA to Manila often refuel in Guam, which adds perhaps 90 minutes. Expect some small inconveniences, like them forgetting if you ordered a special meal, or fucking up frequent flier credit, or a poorly operating video system in your seat. I've encountered all of these on PAL.

Biz class on the airline can be as little as 1350 one way on the Manila - LA or SF leg, if thats doable. Again, its a bit ghetto compared to a proper business class, and somehow the better looking flight attendants DO NOT work in biz class, but in coach, it seems. If that makes any difference to you…

Check in at LAX at Bradley terminal for PAL is fairly a nightmare for coach. All Biz class gets expedited first and it seems every Philippino headed home carries two enormous suitcases, many of which have to be repacked for weight when checking in. On the positive side, when I once tried to fly without a return ticket, they actually took me behind the counter and luggage area (in a US airport no less) into the PAL office, where I got online on their desktop computer, created a fake itinerary on Expedia, emailed it to myself, and was given my boarding pass.

If the prices are similar, I'd go by convenience, layover, flight time. If the prices are vastly different, then I'd go by cost. Mabuhay Tongue

[samsamsam]

(03-31-2014 09:04 PM)G_global Wrote:  

somehow the better looking flight attendants DO NOT work in biz class, but in coach, it seems. If that makes any difference to you…

LOL, seems like that is always the case with US Based airlines. I think the seniority thing, the more senior attendants don't want to deal with the masses.

Never flown Philippine Airways before, but Asian carriers seem to have better overall talent than the US based ones. Especially Singapore Airlines. Also, something about the outfits the Singaporean Airlines chicks wear but I always love walking behind them when I am walking through terminals, the outfits just hug their curves well.

[Vacancier Permanent]

IKE,
I enjoy reading your reports about your trip and your overall experiences. However, when it comes to your comments and views on world politics, cultures and overall worldly knowledge, they are painfully cringe worthy and baffling. Quite a contrast between your very interesting and enjoyable insights on your trip and the sheer ignorance of your comments on the safety of airlines from outside of the so called first world.

Have you flown with any of these airlines? Turkish Airlines? Emirates? Etihad? Qatar Airways? Outside of Singapore Airlines and New Zealand Air, NO airline from the so called first world can match let alone compete with the above mentioned ones. Don't take my word for it. Do a little bit of research or better yet, fly with them and you would realize the huge difference between them and the so called first world.

[berserk]

(03-31-2014 09:17 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:04 PM)G_global Wrote:  

somehow the better looking flight attendants DO NOT work in biz class, but in coach, it seems. If that makes any difference to you…

LOL, seems like that is always the case with US Based airlines. I think the seniority thing, the more senior attendants don't want to deal with the masses.

Never flown Philippine Airways before, but Asian carriers seem to have better overall talent than the US based ones. Especially Singapore Airlines. Also, something about the outfits the Singaporean Airlines chicks wear but I always love walking behind them when I am walking through terminals, the outfits just hug their curves well.

It is mostly a union thing I believe. In Asia a flight attendant is simply seen as a twenty something job until you land a husband - if you are attractive of course. It is not a career.

Where as in Europe and the US, unions have made sure those old hags get the best working conditions despite no biz class passenger actually wants to see them.

Being a flight stewardess is not unlike being a slut, there are only so many faces/cocks you can see until you lose the ability to see every new face/cock as something unique. Flight stewardesses acknowledge this themselves. After a while, it seems it is simply not possible to friendly to a passenger anymore.

[iknowexactly]

(04-01-2014 12:01 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

IKE,
I enjoy reading your reports about your trip and your overall experiences. However, when it comes to your comments and views on world politics, cultures and overall worldly knowledge,

I'm sure you have more practical experience taking a variety of airlines, and I don't particularly like American in flight service myself.

But if all those countries's you name are as smart and knowledgeable about avionics and mechanical stuff as first world USA and Airbus) countries, why are they all flying first world airplanes on intercontinental flights? (I don't know if Embraer makes long haul planes)

I feel safest with First World maintenance personnel and pilots, and apparently everyone in the world on long haul flights feels safest with USA and Airbus planes, not just me.

As far as being cringe-worthy, it's sort of my speciality. After all, Lady Gaga says "If half the people in the world don't hate you , you're doing something wrong." ;-)

[iknowexactly]

(04-01-2014 12:07 AM)berserk Wrote:  

Being a flight stewardess is not unlike being a slut, there are only so many faces/cocks you can see until you lose the ability to see every new face/cock as something unique. Flight stewardesses acknowledge this themselves. After a while, it seems it is simply not possible to friendly to a passenger anymore.

I agree, I try not to stare too much at the good-looking ones, it must be such a weird job.

[Bix]

(03-27-2014 05:57 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

If you decide to have children there, I will happily fuck your daughters when they reach 18.

I love half white half asian chicks.

Literally LOL'd. So true. Who's going to be the first from the forum to bang IKE's daughter in 19 years?

[BlondeChaser]

A good way to put it. First world best for manufactured products. 3rd world best for service and food (depending on country) assuming you make a 1st world wage.

Emirates, Singapore, etc good service plus use airbus hard product. Great to feel like a king in the 3rd world.

[iknowexactly]

(04-10-2014 02:01 AM)Bix Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 05:57 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

If you decide to have children there, I will happily fuck your daughters when they reach 18.

I love half white half asian chicks.

Literally LOL'd. So true. Who's going to be the first from the forum to bang IKE's daughter in 19 years?

I can teeter after you with my cane, yelling "You goddam player scum!!!"

[Bix]

C'mon IKE, you're going to need someone to wing your daughter while you go after her friends! LOL

[Oaktree]

"If you're in your late 50s, you're not far from retirement though. Can they still force you to work?"



Family Law in the U.S. is by state.

Yes, they can force you to work.

Here is a good example of people I know.

Husband and wife have no children. Married 30+ years. Graduated from a top tier university with exactly the same MBA. Same age. Wife doesn't like to work and has a shopping compulsion. Husband worked. All this was presented to the court.

Wife grew bored and filed for divorce. Husband was still working and around age 60 at the time. He was ordered to pay lifetime alimony AFTER dividing their assets. As I recall, he got less than 50% since he worked and she did not. Also the court accepted testimony that she had a shopping compulsion and adjusted the award to a greater amount because of that.

Two years after the divorce he lost his job. This is at around age 62. He requested a reduction in the alimony. Request denied.

He was forced to pay the same amount while he sought other work. He didn't have much in savings and the court ruled there would be no reduction ever made in the amount of alimony to be paid even if he was in his 80s. In fact, it's possible that the amount may be increased.

If you bring a young Filipina back to the U.S. keep this in mind.

What future value is there to her being married to you compared to dumping you and getting alimony and child support?

I suspect the answer is you will likely come out on the short end of the deal if you bring her back here.

Women are loyal (usually) only if there is a future benefit you can offer that is the best alternative for her.

They don't have the same loyalty based on what you did for her in the past. This is a key point men miss.

[samsamsam]

^^Oaktree.

Fuck are you serious? I mean, I know you are serious, but I am hoping you are not.

WTF!!! Not cool.

[Oaktree]

Fuck are you serious? I mean, I know you are serious, but I am hoping you are not.

It gets better than that.

In the U.S., I have dated young Asian women 10-30 yrs. my junior who have dumped older men they were married to.

They acknowledge that they may have come here poor and barely able to speak English. Their lives improved dramatically but when they reached a certain level, they became too Americanized and used excuses such as "love my ex but not in love with him" or "I'm a different person now".

I have also dated one who stayed with her husband forever. How do I know it's forever? Because she is a widow. She's a multimillionaire now thanks to her husband but was also loyal to him while he was alive.

She never became Americanized.