[Onto]

It's a shame to see people "needlessly" suffer, but I think it's also a shame for the world to think suffering is bad.

Suffering is the very foundation of growth and kids don't need a fancy house or clothes or an Xbox to be happy. All they want is be loved by thier parents. That's it. I see so many parents in America trying to arrange their kids lives so they never have to suffer. These kids grow up spoiled, entitled, resenting their parents, and then later jumping of a building because they can't cope with life not allowing them to have it their way.

I would say it's kind of IKE to give a child to someone who wants one and because of thier economic environment they would be happy with $250/month. After all, what's more valuable than life itself?

And it sounds like IKE is going to visit the child and be a part of his life in some capacity.

I'm not directing this at anyone in paticular but those in the world who think suffering is bad, wrong, should be eradicated from the earth, and all the rest, I invite you to read "The Fire From Within" by Carlos Castenda. For $8 you can buy it on paperback. All you need to do is read Chapter 2 "Petty Tyrants" to see how suffering tunes the human spirit and creates personal power. It's one of the most engaging, on-the-edge-of-your-seat chapters I've read in any book.

Some say we don't really choose to have children, but rather children choose their parents. Before we're born we are looking for the perfect environment that will create just the right amount of suffering to enable us to wake up and learn about who we are and the mystery of life.

Is that really true? I have no idea, but I know it's impossible to say it can't be.

[BlondeChaser]

Onto did you grow up under the poverty level in the US? If you have, then you have at least the right to make the statement. If you grew up middle class, then it is a completely nonsense to suggest that people who think suffering is bad be eradicated from the earth.

$8 is two day wages for your average manual laborer. I don't think you ever lived in true poverty before. Heck you wouldn't have the money to go onto the internet.

You do realize that probably at the very minimum the women will pocket half of that 250 for her and her family? Considering the average taxi driver makes $70-100 a month, she will probably use that for spending money instead of spending on the kid. Probably even more.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/0...FK20120501

I would never have a child in the 3rd world without proper support. Especially trusting a woman will feed my child with my money. $250 a month * 12 * 18 years = $54,000. Payday for the woman and her family. And don't think she will try and go after someone elses money.

[Onto]

(03-26-2014 11:58 AM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

Onto did you grow up under the poverty level in the US? If you have, then you have at least the right to make the statement. If you grew up middle class, then it is a completely nonsense to suggest that people who think suffering is bad be eradicated from the earth.

$8 is two day wages for your average manual laborer. I don't think you ever lived in true poverty before. Heck you wouldn't have the money to go onto the internet.

You do realize that probably at the very minimum the women will pocket half of that 250 for her and her family? Considering the average taxi driver makes $70-100 a month, she will probably use that for spending money instead of spending on the kid. Probably even more.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/0...FK20120501

I would never have a child in the 3rd world without proper support. Especially trusting a woman will feed my child with my money. $250 a month * 12 * 18 years = $54,000. Payday for the woman and her family. And don't think she will try and go after someone elses money.

I was born in the winter and my parents lived in a tent in the woods. They later bought a school bus, gutted it out, ran electric and propane gas and we lived in that for a long time.

Does that qualify? Who are you to make an assumption about how I grew up? You know nothing about me.

I don't even know why I'm responding to someone who thinks if you don't have enough money for the internet than life isn't worth living.

[el mechanico]

(03-26-2014 12:05 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:58 AM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

Onto did you grow up under the poverty level in the US? If you have, then you have at least the right to make the statement. If you grew up middle class, then it is a completely nonsense to suggest that people who think suffering is bad be eradicated from the earth.

$8 is two day wages for your average manual laborer. I don't think you ever lived in true poverty before. Heck you wouldn't have the money to go onto the internet.

You do realize that probably at the very minimum the women will pocket half of that 250 for her and her family? Considering the average taxi driver makes $70-100 a month, she will probably use that for spending money instead of spending on the kid. Probably even more.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/0...FK20120501

I would never have a child in the 3rd world without proper support. Especially trusting a woman will feed my child with my money. $250 a month * 12 * 18 years = $54,000. Payday for the woman and her family. And don't think she will try and go after someone elses money.

I was born in the winter and my parents lived in a tent in the woods. They later bought a school bus, gutted it out, ran electric and propane gas and we lived in that for a long time.

Does that qualify? Who are you to make an assumption about how I grew up? You know nothing about me.

I don't even know why I'm responding to someone who thinks if you don't have enough money for the internet than life isn't worth living.

Are you serious?

[BlondeChaser]

(03-26-2014 12:05 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:58 AM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

Onto did you grow up under the poverty level in the US? If you have, then you have at least the right to make the statement. If you grew up middle class, then it is a completely nonsense to suggest that people who think suffering is bad be eradicated from the earth.

$8 is two day wages for your average manual laborer. I don't think you ever lived in true poverty before. Heck you wouldn't have the money to go onto the internet.

You do realize that probably at the very minimum the women will pocket half of that 250 for her and her family? Considering the average taxi driver makes $70-100 a month, she will probably use that for spending money instead of spending on the kid. Probably even more.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/0...FK20120501

I would never have a child in the 3rd world without proper support. Especially trusting a woman will feed my child with my money. $250 a month * 12 * 18 years = $54,000. Payday for the woman and her family. And don't think she will try and go after someone elses money.

I was born in the winter and my parents lived in a tent in the woods. They later bought a school bus, gutted it out, ran electric and propane gas and we lived in that for a long time.

Does that qualify? Who are you to make an assumption about how I grew up? You know nothing about me.

I don't even know why I'm responding to someone who thinks if you don't have enough money for the internet than life isn't worth living.

That's not true 3rd world poverty. But at least you have grown up in poverty. Did I make any assumptions? Re-read what I wrote.

Where did you get the 2nd statement. I am saying if you grew up in real 3rd world poverty you wouldn't have access to the internet.

On the other hand your illogical statements of killing off people who can't take suffering make it hard to have any rational discussion with you.

[lavidaloca]

$250 a month seems very low to me if you are supporting two people a mother and a child. I can understand sending your girlfriend a small amount as she should be perfectly capable of working and I don't view them as permanent. But your kid?

I think you need to open your eyes. I understand a kid can easily live on very low amounts as a very young child. But what about living conditions? are you going to buy a house for them? rent? You should think about doing so.

Are you going to give your son spending money? Probably should.

You just spent $3400 in a 16 day trip outside of airfare. That is approximately what your kid will receive every 27 months if he receives half of the $250 you send. That is what I view as a best case scenario.

I have enjoyed all of your posts throughout the forum. I just think you have an unrealistic outlook on this matter.

My first order of business if I had a child with a woman whom I was with.

1) get a good housing situation
2) create some sort of investment for my son. Say, invest $500 every month in an S&P 500 indice and give it to him after it accrues.
3) consider whether I'm going to be an absentee father. If I can't be in ___ country atleast 1 week a month, I'm going to want he or she to spend summer vacation with me. That for certain will blow $250 a month out of the water.

I know how far little amounts of money go firsthand as I send money to my Cuban girlfriends. However, a child is a different ballgame. All of a sudden I'd begin to think about housing, medical, transportation etc. The costs become far greater in my eyes.

Keep in mind your spending was roughly 1 day = 60 days for your child.

After they have a good housing situation provided for and paid for by me. I understand if you want the child to live rather basically for a while but set up some sort of investment so that when your child is an adult he has a fighting chance.

One of my girlfriends bugs me non stop about wanting to have a kid. She'd be more than content with $250 a month. I won't do it though because I wouldn't be content.

I doubt $250 covers a good housing situation unless you are buying a house/ condo.

[Onto]

(03-26-2014 12:12 PM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

On the other hand your illogical statements of killing off people who can't take suffering make it hard to have any rational discussion with you.

Where did I say that? You're a troll and should be banned.

[Beyond Borders]

(03-26-2014 12:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 12:12 PM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

On the other hand your illogical statements of killing off people who can't take suffering make it hard to have any rational discussion with you.

Where did I say that? You're a troll and should be banned.

haha easy does it, Guys.

I think he just misread this sentence here.

Quote:

I'm not directing this at anyone in paticular but those in the world who think suffering is bad, wrong, should be eradicated from the earth, and all the rest,

It comes across at first as you saying that people who think suffering is bad should be eradicated from the Earth. lol I read it wrong too on the first go.

Anyhow, yes, suffering creates strength, character, and opportunities for growth; I can dig that. That said, it's easy for people from the first world to say that; it's another to be subjected to it in a poor country and not have any choice for escape. Also, I find it to be nothing but rhetoric if a father decides his kids can handle the suffering while he himself lives a tropical vacation lifestyle with a comfortable hotel room or condo, nice restaurants and room service, and multiple 20-year-olds coming by on the regular to suck his dick thanks to his first-world income.

If suffering is good enough for our children, shouldn't it be good enough for us too?

Not to mention that most older men head to the third world to escape suffering (of their own kind)...

I'm no stranger to uncommon philosophies and paradigms on living life. But everything can be rationalized when our emotions or actions demand it of us. Something to think about.

NOTE: I think I may have misunderstood the extent of IKE's plans and intended participation. I still think this is an interesting topic of discussion though.

[Onto]

Thanks BB, I see how the way I worded that sentence could be misconstrued. "Should be eradicated from the earth" was about suffering itself.

You make some good points, as always.

It would be great if IKE or anyone else started a thread about their experiences starting a family abroad. It might end up bieng me.

[Beyond Borders]

^ Hell it might be ME at some point. LOL

[Enigma]

Please don't let it be me

[el mechanico]

Maybe IKE can start a child service website for dudes like him and make some $$ + stay in the Phils.

[Virtus]

(03-26-2014 02:16 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Maybe IKE can start a child service website for dudes like him and make some $$ + stay in the Phils.

"A home for guys that could not be bothered to raise their own offspring" -- that will be a house full of genetic winners I tell ya

Nobody NEEDS to have a child if they can't be BOTHERED to raise one

[SpecialEd]

To be frank, all this 'continuation of the family line' chatter sounds medieval. There is no tribe or country depending on you to sire lots of children. The planet won't skip a beat because there's one less (ill-provided) child out there.

If you really like children, then by all means have a couple. But 250$ a month and the occasional visit tells me that is not the case.

[el mechanico]

(03-26-2014 02:28 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 02:16 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Maybe IKE can start a child service website for dudes like him and make some $$ + stay in the Phils.

"A home for guys that could not be bothered to raise their own offspring" -- that will be a house full of genetic winners I tell ya

Nobody NEEDS to have a child if they can't be BOTHERED to raise one

Lol yeah but I meant wants to start a family abroad. I don't think IKE said he wasn't going to help raise the kid.

He just asked how much would you need on his end to keep the ball rolling which is a normal question.

I asked around the Dominican girls for research for Big Nilla and they were open to the idea.. Keep in mind a cop there makes like 250 a month so...

Also in many countries the guys leave to find work.. Greeks would leave on the ships and send what they could home. They still do this in other ways but keep a family so it's really nothing out of the ordinary especially if he gets a place there and they live in it..Like power, tv and all.

[Virtus]

IKE, I don't know your motivations and you're too old and stubborn likely to listen to any advice.Tell ya. if you've not learned by now in your life. idk.. Yet you only love people you do stuff for. And you only love them if you sacrifice something, if you weigh options for them and then execute ones that are beneficial to them and may be even detrimental to yourself. When you creampie that pina and leave and send 250 a month. That kid will not know you. that girl will not care for you. all you will have a young babymama on the other side of the globe. and what will she do? she will get a string of local guys that will pump and dump her. and your kid will be there. and the highest chance for mistreatment is that from a step father. and no high value guy will want a single mom. not even in Philippines. Especially if the kid grows as a half blood. and the guy, even if say infertile.. he will not be able to pass the kid as his own... I have a kid with an ex. I see the kid every weekend. I have a bond with the kid. We do shit together.. My dad did not know i was around till I was 7. I did not know about him till I was 16. at first he sent 400 couple times a year. then we met. but then when he could not care and there was no connection. And I really wanted a dad once I knew. But the guy is a sociopathic narcissist. So all I got was a lot of pain when going through early adulthood. Fuck that

[el mechanico]

^ That's why you're taking this personal yet you only see your kid every weekend. That means the mom is in control of the education end of things. Big mistake.

IKEs plan is doable but he needs to stop being so cheap.

[Virtus]

I'm just 140 miles away. he will be a 20 hour flight away.

[jimukr104]

"Onto did you grow up under the poverty level in the US? If you have, then you have at least the right to make the statement. If you grew up middle class, then it is a completely nonsense to suggest that people who think suffering is bad be eradicated from the earth"

True..but what I have noticed is that MOST people are obsessed by what those have around them. You want a poverty level person to be unhappy..... have him live and hang around middle class. But when they are all living together they seem more content.
I heard stories about the great depression..and it seemed people were more "ok" with their plight because it was a shared experience.
I must add that this seems to be the whole democrat agenda.. since they don't believe in the tinkering down effect.

[jimukr104]

(03-26-2014 02:38 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

To be frank, all this 'continuation of the family line' chatter sounds medieval. There is no tribe or country depending on you to sire lots of children. The planet won't skip a beat because there's one less (ill-provided) child out there.

If you really like children, then by all means have a couple. But 250$ a month and the occasional visit tells me that is not the case.

Adopt a pet works!

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-26-2014 03:18 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

I'm just 140 miles away. he will be a 20 hour flight away.

IKE said he would come back to the US and work 3 to 4 months out of the year. He will probably be spending more time with his kid than you do yours.

[Virtus]

best of luck

[BlondeChaser]

(03-26-2014 12:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 12:12 PM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

On the other hand your illogical statements of killing off people who can't take suffering make it hard to have any rational discussion with you.

Where did I say that? You're a troll and should be banned.

Calling someone who disagrees with you a troll? Come on now.

Listen, I have a been a long time lurker. Reading these threads since I was going to make a nice little Asia trip while waiting for the weather to get better in Europe (damn 3 month schengen rule).

The 89 / 10 / 1 rule applies here. 89% being lurkers who will never post. I intend on providing accurate information for those lurkers.

I went to Manila to check out the scene as nice little side trip and to be frank, most of the girls are straight up unattractive. I even signed up for Phillipino Cupid to check out the "talent". Not impressed.

Maybe being a young mixed asian has made me more picky, who knows.

But based on what I experienced, the high class girls in Philippines are OPEN to dating foreigners unlike some other countries. PERFECT girlfriend material. You see, here being foreign its easy to run day game / social network. Compared to the states. In most 3rd world countries abroad, you have one capital city that you can focus on without breaking your bank. (IE. Rent at the Gramercy at $950 a month for a rental unit that would probably cost $2500 a month in NYC).

Threads like these are gold: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33339.html

But to go back to topic, you really got to be naive if you think these poor girls who's mother makes $100 a month washing clothes is not fucking you for money or to taste the "good life". Of course always exceptions, but lets take off these rose colored glasses.

The realistic side of me sees these girls are hustling trying to do exactly what IKE wants. $52,000 over 18 years is a crapload of money. $52,000 can buy you at least 1000 hookers. Just think about it. Why the fuck would you send your hard earn money to a random girl and hope for the best. Fuck that shit.

Personally, I wont EVER have kids unless I am confident I am serious with the girl. I'm not gonna let my kid toil away in a goddamn shack.

I think some rooshers have a extreme bias since they go out to the nightlife / run online game to get laid. Those girls are the VAST MINORITY of the general population.

Phillipino Cupid, active members (lets be generous now): 75,000 total.

Total population of Philippines: 98,000,000.

Population using online dating: 0.76%

Put it into perspective. Not all women are bad and it is extremely prejudiced to judge an entire population based off a hyper segment of the population. I bet the vast majority of the Philippines is conservative in terms of dating culture.

Enough ranting. Getting my 2 cents in so hopefully a lurker will have 2nd thoughts of having a kid in a 3rd world country and lose five figures in the process.

[Onto]

(03-26-2014 03:38 PM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 12:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 12:12 PM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

On the other hand your illogical statements of killing off people who can't take suffering make it hard to have any rational discussion with you.

Where did I say that? You're a troll and should be banned.

Calling someone who disagrees with you a troll? Come on now.

I called you a troll because you claimed I said something that I didn't. Maybe it was an honest misread on your part and you weren't trying to twist shit, but here you are doing it again.

[Virtus]

guys. stop fighting. it's not helpful to the thread and gets people put on ice in short order. just stop