I'm glad Rippetoe & Co changed the category names because people get their ego too attached to "Advanced" and "Elite".
"Elite" is meant to be tough, and you have to earn it. An elite athlete is one that is meant to be competitive on the world stage. You're nowhere near making the team to the IPF world championship (and yes, drug free, for the guys who always call people stronger than them drug users) with those Crossfit "elite" lifts.
The actual elite standards in lifting require talented athletes with 8-10 years hard training to achieve.
FYI, a 200kg (440lb) deadlift is very achievable within the first couple of years for anyone even the small guys. It sounds very hard if you're lifting by yourself with no guidance, but if you're coached by good lifters, it is not hard at all. And no it doesn't make you strong.
I pulled that in the 181lb class at the end of my very first year of training (so 12 months). I'm of very mediocre talent and genetics, strength-wise. To give an example, I got my first gym membership at almost 24 y.o (after taking the Red Pill), and as I was tested by the PT assigned to me, I could not even do a single pushup.
And yes I'm drug free. If I were to take some, I'd be pulling 270kg / 600lb by now lol
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For anyone really interested in fitness it should be obvious that this is a limited metric. And I'm not just saying that because my lifts suck right now.
When I was strictly following the stronglifts routine and got my deadlift up to 350, I would play around with bodyweight exercises. I think I could squeeze out 2, maybe 3 pull ups. (overhand, not chin ups)
I would probably struggle with deadlifting 315 right now, but I can crank out 10 pull ups like they're nothing. I'm significantly leaner than when I was lifting heavier. Plan is to shred down as much as possible throughout summer, then sometime in the fall start bulking and lifting heavy again.
Point is strength is relative.
This has more to do with you getting leaner. Bodyweight exercises get easier when you're lighter, obviously.
There's no reason why lifting weights can't improve your bodyweight movements. Weaklifts is just a bad routine, that's all. Like Slowing Strength, it's designed to make people eat their way through lifting sessions, so as they get "stronger", their pound to pound strength drops like a stone. Also as they grind through their lifts to get the over-hyped 5 reps, they get slower and less athletic too.
You want to get stronger, leaner and more athletic. That's what we want to train for. Not stronger, GOMAD fatter and failing to walk upstairs without huffing & puffing.
Incidentally back when I deadlifted 350lb, I could do about 2-3 pullups as well. Was a bit chubby then at 185lb. I'm now 165lb with a 500lb deadlift, hardly train pullups (other than occasionally on the weekends with some mates for fun) and my max is 18 from dead hang the other day (could've done more with better grip endurance).