[StrikeBack]

(04-10-2014 12:37 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:50 AM)wavey007 Wrote:  

anyone from australia here?

Yeah. Melburnian and raised locally. Singaporean by background.

I'm not the only Aussie RVFer of Asian descent.

Yep, another Asian Australian from Melbourne here.

Post in my thread if you do day game! http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-34968.html

[True Killa]

(03-27-2014 05:50 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:31 PM)startedfromscratch Wrote:  

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectu...asked-for/ <-argues one example
but like I said earlier the media is taking steps to rectify it..

The guy with the idiotic look on his face is the author of that piece, I just listened to two minutes of his podcast. Typical Asian American beta who thinks he's funny and clever cause folks laugh at his jokes out of politeness. Guy complains about stereotypes man he's living it.

(03-27-2014 08:34 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

How exactly do you lose your accent? Most scientific studies have shown that if you don't start learning a language by 10, you are pretty much stuck with the accent. For the Europeans, that's a good thing, for Asians, that's definitely not a good thing.

Almost all the foreign languages I speak I learned as an adult, yet native speakers compliment me on how close my pronunciation is to theirs. I do this by asking myself 'how would I speak if I were trying to do an impersonation of the natives?' Imitate their tempo, body mannerisms and facial expressions. Look up videos on how to shape your mouth, position your tongue, aspiration, etc on how pronounce the unique sounds of the language, then practice while recording yourself. You can do this in front of a mirror and make adjustments, like shadowboxing.

There is an audio program called the 'Sound of your Voice' you can start there.

(03-27-2014 08:34 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Maybe FOBish is not the right word, but I definitely don't like the American culture and their idea of having fun (fuck alcohol). Instead of learning Jiujitsu, dancing, or doing infantry, how about I just focus on girls in Asia who I get immediately results with? Most Asian players I know are meat heads, but if that's what it takes to bang American women as an Asian guy, then fuck that.

Well then what do you want to do, take a bitch out to a tea ceremony and fold origami?
What exactly is a 'meat head' and why is it a problem?
Why are you just focusing on the girls, why not improve your entire life?
I listed those things because they take effort and dedication, they get you away from other Asian betas, they change your personality and outlook on life in positive ways. I forgot to add doing compound lifts, HIT training and steroids (if you're past mid twenties) to the list. Put down the rice bowl and tear up a steak. Look if you want to be different and better than the rest of the omegas, you have to do different stuff. After a while you'll start thinking differently and then you'll start acting and talking differently. But you got to put in the hard work.

(03-27-2014 08:34 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

The difference in the dynamics between gaming Asian girls versus American girls is real. For example, I've been experimenting with Okcupid girls in Asia by putting up different pictures of myself to see which ones get the best response. When I had a tanned, masculine and muscular picture of myself on there, I got very little responses. But when I put up pictures of myself photoshopped to get rid of the tan and brighten the skin to look like one of those effeminate Asian pretty boys, the responses skyrocketed. When I set my location to the US, the masculine picture got more responses than the effeminate one. I would think that other nuances of game would also be different depending on where they are from.

You're in Asia the most crowded cities on earth you should be out doing real live daygaming instead of photoshopping your head onto other guys bodies.

Figure out your logistics, read and study Bang, and then do 100 approaches. Oh yeah while you're out and about in between approaches listen to these audiobooks/podcasts - Danger n play, pickuppodcast, Christian mcqueen, david dangelo interviews with naturals, and black phillip show.

Stop limiting yourself!

*re Infantry - this applies to the US / Western militaries only, I don't know if enlisting in your native country, the one that your parents ran away from, has the same ROI.

It's not about limiting belief, I am just reporting my experiences. I was able to get way more notches while abroad than I did in the US given the same amount of effort, that's a fact, but it was still nowhere as easy as what some of the guys in the Travel forum has reported. You are making a lot of assumptions here. I don't hang out with beta Asian friends and I am on a McDonald's diet. I lift, I dress well, I am tall, I don't wear glasses, I am not a math or computer wiz, I am broke. So what's your problem?

What I am getting at here is that there is a difference in dynamic when an Asian guy approaches a girl versus when a true white "foreigner" approaches an Asian girl to the point that the girl will react differently even if the two guys do or say the exact same thing. What works for those guys on the travel forum and the venues they go to may not work for a guy like me. Many guys can get their bangs by asking girls to come back to their place for a drink at the end of the date. That never worked for me, it's like they associated "foreigner" = alcohol, and Asian guy = bubble tea.

What I would like to see is a good bang report of an Asian brother in an Asian country, so we could know without the WGF, what works and what doesn't work.

How do you run your game abroad? What did you do to get your bangs? It is easy to tell a person "just work hard". We are all working hard here. But it would be more constructive if you put your mouth where it matters more. Give us the details your bangs.

[JWLZG]

(03-27-2014 08:34 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

How exactly do you lose your accent? Most scientific studies have shown that if you don't start learning a language by 10, you are pretty much stuck with the accent. For the Europeans, that's a good thing, for Asians, that's definitely not a good thing.

I'm afraid I'll have to call bullshit on that mate. I moved to Australia when I was 10 -- granted I've been speaking English my whole life, the Singaporean accent sticks out like a sore thumb. It took me a good 5ish years to lose it noticeably; I say that because if you're travelled/observant enough you can still notice a slight RP trace in my inflection.
I learnt German and Spanish in adulthood and -- so I'm told -- I've nailed both accents almost down pat. Haven't quite mastered regional accents though. For want of coming across as a bogan, I've even been heard to speak Spanish in an Aussie accent.

Point is, accents are a product of your surroundings more so than a learned thing. Unless you're a complete recluse or hang out in an ethnic enclave, you soon pick up the inflection and speaking manner of your surrounding culture once you've been around long enough.
Granted this isn't as pronounced the older you get but my parents sound Aussie enough depending on what circles they're currently in.

(03-27-2014 08:34 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Maybe FOBish is not the right word, but I definitely don't like the American culture and their idea of having fun (fuck alcohol). Instead of learning Jiujitsu, dancing, or doing infantry, how about I just focus on girls in Asia who I get immediately results with? Most Asian players I know are meat heads, but if that's what it takes to bang American women as an Asian guy, then fuck that.

Again, it sounds like a bit of a cop out. PoosyWrecker has a point; what on earth does it take for you to game a girl; karaoke sessions or taking her shopping for plush Hello Kitties? Maybe going for bubble tea?
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to surmise that in the USA, one of the most -- of not the most culturally diverse nation on Earth, being a "meathead" is the be all and end of of running game.

(04-12-2014 12:19 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

It's not about limiting belief, I am just reporting my experiences. I was able to get way more notches while abroad than I did in the US given the same amount of effort, [...] You are making a lot of assumptions here. I don't hang out with beta Asian friends and I am on a McDonald's diet. I lift, I dress well, I am tall, I don't wear glasses, I am not a math or computer wiz, I am broke. So what's your problem?

THAT'S the problem. Try putting less of an effort. Even before I discovered game, those times I pulled were when I gave a shit the least. Post-game, not giving a shit matters plenty-fold.
Unless you're not being straight up, the problem is your game -- or lack thereof. Approach like a mofo, hang out with players, get invited to parties. It can't be that

(04-12-2014 12:19 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

What I am getting at here is that there is a difference in dynamic when an Asian guy approaches a girl versus when a true white "foreigner" approaches an Asian girl to the point that the girl will react differently even if the two guys do or say the exact same thing. What works for those guys on the travel forum and the venues they go to may not work for a guy like me. Many guys can get their bangs by asking girls to come back to their place for a drink at the end of the date. That never worked for me, it's like they associated "foreigner" = alcohol, and Asian guy = bubble tea.

Whereabouts in "Asia" are you? I think you're painting with too wide a brush here. Try Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines or Indonesia (if you aren't already) and work your way up from there. If you're still going home with your dick in your hands I really can't do much more for you.

(04-12-2014 12:19 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

What I would like to see is a good bang report of an Asian brother in an Asian country, so we could know without the WGF, what works and what doesn't work.

How do you run your game abroad? What did you do to get your bangs? It is easy to tell a person "just work hard". We are all working hard here. But it would be more constructive if you put your mouth where it matters more. Give us the details your bangs.

I'm not into Asian girls myself so if you're referring to them, I can't really help you. From my observations; play up the American-ness -- a Western cachet obviously goes a long way. Toning down the alpha-ness won't hurt but you'll still need to demonstrate DHV -- subtly -- if you're not the only Occidental player around town.

[seaAltair]

(04-12-2014 09:41 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I'm not into Asian girls myself so if you're referring to them, I can't really help you.

why is it that asian men who are into game have asian women at the bottom of their totem pole

I noticed this trend as soon as I started the game. Hell even Indians, okay not "asian" by the American sense of the word, avoid Indian women.

Every time I attended events for aspiring players the minority guys had little to no taste for the women of their own race.

[JWLZG]

(04-12-2014 09:53 AM)seaAltair Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 09:41 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I'm not into Asian girls myself so if you're referring to them, I can't really help you.

why is it that asian men who are into game have asian women at the bottom of their totem pole

I noticed this trend as soon as I started the game. Hell even Indians, okay not "asian" by the American sense of the word, avoid Indian women.

Every time I attended events for aspiring players the minority guys had little to no taste for the women of their own race.

For want of getting too personal, it's probably a manifestation of both my having a bit of pro-Western complex and an innate symbol of assimilation.
On a more pragmatic note, being the majority ethnic makeup here, it means I'm served with a greater variety of choice.

I also think it's something of a spur to upping my game. I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but having shit game doesn't mean settling for Asian tail -- it means working on your Goddamn game, alpha up, approach more and more.

Being unusually good looking relative to my background (so are my siblings) means I should have so much more going for me, and I don't really identify with Asians in the first place. Yes, I know I'm missing out, but for some reason the attraction isn't quite there.

I'm only speaking for myself, of course.

[True Killa]

Stop deluding yourself, JWLZG. You do not speak a native tongue German or Spanish, any Germans and Hispanics can tell that you are not speaking the native tongue. For English, at 10 years old, it is still young enough to lose that accent. Cognitive psychologists have done research on this stuff, look it up. 10-11 years old is the critical period for being able to speak a native tone.

Some facets of game is universal, yes. Most of inner game, I would say, is universal. But other than that, game is the interaction of who you are and where you are. I am sure most people can agree with me on that. Like in my OKC experiment in Asia, using the same script, I can push a conversation to the point where the girls tells me everything 35% of the time using a white guy profile, but could never do it with an Asian guy profile.



Conclusion? The Asian guy gotta use a different approach to bang this lass. But what is this optimal approach? That is the big question. You can say just work hard and it's a numbers game. That's BS, who has the time and the energy to do that many approaches. I say find your poosy paradise, exploit it, and act your best game for it. America is not the poosy paradise for Asian guys (or for any men for that matter), you can get laid if you work hard enough, but it's just not an efficient use of my time. This country is good for practice, but I go elsewhere significantly increase quantity and quality of my lays, and I urge you to do the same.

Game is regional. Most of us who have traveled know that if you approach an Asian girl abroad the same way you approach an American girl, you are going to get blown out left and right. Obiously you got to do things differently in different countries. Now what is this cultural subtlety? Now that is the second big question. The travel forum sheds some light on this question, but most of the posters there went equipped with the WGF. What if you don't have this advantage? Can you still get a girl straight from the coffee shop to your hotel? Have you?

Don't get me wrong, most of the inner game articles you find on this site and other mainstream articles are right on the mark. But it is the actual strategies and approaches they recommend that just don't work for Asian guys abroad. There needs to be more writings by Asian guys, for Asian guys. It is a niche market, just like there are the taxi driver game, the photographer game, the English teacher game, so there is optimal Asia guy game too.

So if you are claiming that you are an Asian guy getting lots of pussy, then why not describe your game and show your data.

Two messages of OKC experiment as a white guy 7:

[True Killa]

In case my message gets lost, this is not about whining about racism. It is about recognizing who you are and adjust your game accordingly. If your game boils down to pretending to be a white guy and running game like one, then you are doing it suboptimally. My main point is that there needs to be more dialogue about making this adjustment.

[Beyond Borders]

Does anyone else smell a meltdown coming?

[Deluge]

(04-13-2014 02:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

In case my message gets lost, this is not about whining about racism. It is about recognizing who you are and adjust your game accordingly. If your game boils down to pretending to be a white guy and running game like one, then you are doing it suboptimally. My main point is that there needs to be more dialogue about making this adjustment.

The fuck. Some guys are just white inside, like myself and JWLZG, who I've met. If you have to pretend to be something you're not, obviously that's not going to end well. Speaking in general about immigrants (I'm not East Asian) if you grew up in the West, have no accent, mostly white social circle etc. you're not considered an outsider at all. If there's no cultural difference, only a racial one, most girls here don't give a fuck. And I'm constantly surprised by how many redneck or white trash girls don't care either...

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(04-12-2014 09:53 AM)seaAltair Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 09:41 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I'm not into Asian girls myself so if you're referring to them, I can't really help you.

why is it that asian men who are into game have asian women at the bottom of their totem pole

I noticed this trend as soon as I started the game. Hell even Indians, okay not "asian" by the American sense of the word, avoid Indian women.

Every time I attended events for aspiring players the minority guys had little to no taste for the women of their own race.

I know a lot of Asian (and white) guys in pickup with yellow fever...

My dick doesn't discriminate, but I think I know some guys do. Ethnic Asian and Indian girls in the West tend to either strongly prefer their own kind, or strongly prefer white guys (especially the Asians girls), not many girls get with a lot of both. The ones who prefer their own race want a guy whose social circle is mainly of that same race, basically a guy who still has a lot of their parents culture. So for the assimilated guys into pickup, girls from their background aren't really interested in them. Also, I've personally found brown girls to be very hard to actually fuck, although I'm mainly talking about girls who are quite young and maybe haven't had a chance to get a lot of sexual experience yet being raised by traditional parents. Unless a brown girl gives me slut signs I tend not to bother because chances are I'm not getting my dick wet with her.

[Beyond Borders]

^ Yep, I grew up in an predominantly-white redneck town. The few Asian guys who grew up there were not outsiders in any sense of the word and the ones with decent looks and basic social skills smashed just like everyone else. No alterations to game needed. Aside from typical heckling among friends, no real notice was made of them being any different.

I admit black guys always seem to stand out as black guys in these types of rural areas. But an assimilated Asian man is not perceptibly different than anyone else in white America.

[El Chinito loco]

(04-13-2014 02:54 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 02:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

In case my message gets lost, this is not about whining about racism. It is about recognizing who you are and adjust your game accordingly. If your game boils down to pretending to be a white guy and running game like one, then you are doing it suboptimally. My main point is that there needs to be more dialogue about making this adjustment.

The fuck. Some guys are just white inside, like myself and JWLZG, who I've met. If you have to pretend to be something you're not, obviously that's not going to end well. Speaking in general about immigrants (I'm not East Asian) if you grew up in the West, have no accent, mostly white social circle etc. you're not considered an outsider at all. If there's no cultural difference, only a racial one, most girls here don't give a fuck. And I'm constantly surprised by how many redneck or white trash girls don't care either...

It's true that over emphasizing race or being self conscious about it becomes a crutch or hindrance.

However, implying that most women just don't consider race at all is being pretty optimistic about human nature. That's really not how it is at all especially if you experiment with online dating profiles and interracial dating/marriage statistics. It does matter and just because you are culturally integrated doesn't mean you are considered an insider.

[CJ_W]

(04-13-2014 02:11 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Stop deluding yourself, JWLZG. You do not speak a native tongue German or Spanish, any Germans and Hispanics can tell that you are not speaking the native tongue. For English, at 10 years old, it is still young enough to lose that accent. Cognitive psychologists have done research on this stuff, look it up. 10-11 years old is the critical period for being able to speak a native tone.

Im sorry but no. That's a consensus but its no where near the truth, I've met MANY Asians who have perfect accents despite not learning English untill 17-18 (mostly those who went to the States or Canada for exchange.) that 10-11 age range isn't meant to be a end all be all, for acquiring language. especially language without accents.

Learning languages is all about immersion and practice. That's it. I met one guy who Spoke Five languages, so fluently and fast that other people could't tell his accent apart. . .it took him 15 years to do it, but he still did it.

And EVEN THEN, a "fobby accent" is not going to stop a women who is bent on banging you . . .from banging you.

You just have to become that man.. . .except, you ALREADY ARE "that man." Open your eyes, women are checking you (and pretty much all men) out all the time! giving you signals and expressing intrest in you. look for those signs. take note of where the girls check you out the most.

This is like Marketing, you only win when you pay attention.

[Deluge]

(04-13-2014 03:04 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 02:54 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 02:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

In case my message gets lost, this is not about whining about racism. It is about recognizing who you are and adjust your game accordingly. If your game boils down to pretending to be a white guy and running game like one, then you are doing it suboptimally. My main point is that there needs to be more dialogue about making this adjustment.

The fuck. Some guys are just white inside, like myself and JWLZG, who I've met. If you have to pretend to be something you're not, obviously that's not going to end well. Speaking in general about immigrants (I'm not East Asian) if you grew up in the West, have no accent, mostly white social circle etc. you're not considered an outsider at all. If there's no cultural difference, only a racial one, most girls here don't give a fuck. And I'm constantly surprised by how many redneck or white trash girls don't care either...

It's true that over emphasizing race or being self conscious about it becomes a crutch or hindrance.

However, implying that most women just don't consider race at all is being pretty optimistic about human nature. That's really not how it is at all especially if you experiment with online dating profiles and interracial dating/marriage statistics. It does matter and just because you are culturally integrated doesn't mean you are considered an insider.

I'm not saying race isn't considered at all. I'm saying it can be not considered at all in the right circumstances. Online dating isn't the real world. Girls will assume you're a FOB or mainly have friends from your own race because guys who aren't are the exception. Most people live surrounded by people of the same ethnicity, and most people will culturally belong to their ethnicity. This is why interracial marriage is low (though I saw on another thread that in new marriages 10% of white americans are marrying inter-racially now). Culture and sub-culture is important, an Asian redneck dude is going to do just as bad with white preppy girls if he was a white redneck...

Everyone's situation is different. In my own context, I think race has barely hurt me at all. I guess it's like any other factor, if you have your shit together overall then the factors that might hurt you will barely matter. It also depends a lot on where you live I'd imagine.

[True Killa]

Here's where we are different, Deluge. I travel, and when I travel to Asian countries, it's night and day. One can't help but notice how easy everything suddenly becomes. Perhaps because you are so assimilated, for you, this is the right circumstance. But have you ever traveled and made the comparison?

I believe someone made a post about a research awhile ago about being Asian guys automatically lose 2 points in attractiveness from girls. Asian guys are like the male equivalent of fat girls. You feel like you fit in because nobody says anything about it. You work way harder to get attention from guys, and occasionally you get lucky with a chubby chaser. Think of the negative stereotype American girls have for Asian guy as the layers of fat in a fat chick's skin. Can a fat chick get what she wants? Sure. But you bet it's a shit amount of work. To say being Asian is not a factor is like girlfriends telling the fat girl "don't worry, you are beautiful", it feels comforting, but completely unrealistic. But unlike with fat girls, there is a magic pill. You buy a plane ticket to Asia and never look back. Went on an OKC date with a Cantonese girl in HK awhile back, her friend called to checked on her. I don't understand Cantonese, but I did understand two words she told her friend: "online" and "hot guy". I banged her that night. Coming back to the US, everything felt "unnatural". Perhaps you have already internalized this unnaturalness, but for those of us who travel, the difference in attraction attitude is very very apparent.

But if you an Asian guy and are banging lots of girls, then I believe many of the guys here would be inspired by your bang report. Even non-Asian guys would learn a lot from you. So show us your data, bro.

CJ_W: I have never met someone who learned English in adulthood and did not speak with at least a bit of accent. You may not immediately recognize it, but it is always there. Myself don't really have an accent when I speak in monotone, but when I raise my voice or become more animated, then it's there. Some people can pick up on it and some people can't. Some would ask me if I am first generation or second generation (can't tell), but others would straight up ask me where I am from (can tell).

[Deluge]

(04-13-2014 04:42 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Here's where we are different, Deluge. I travel, and when I travel to Asian countries, it's night and day. One can't help but notice how easy everything suddenly becomes.

You must be new here. Everyone seems to find Asia easy, I know white guys who've relocated to Asia because the girls are easier, hotter, more feminine etc. Saying you find Asia easier doesn't prove your point at all. If you found Asian girls in America easier that'd be something, but since you haven't mentioned it I'm assuming you either don't, or don't have enough experience with them.

(04-13-2014 04:42 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

But if you an Asian guy and are banging lots of girls, then I believe many of the guys here would be inspired by your bang report. Even non-Asian guys would learn a lot from you. So show us your data, bro.

Trying to act like a big baller badass makes you seem insecure and is likely to get you banned.
I've already told you I'm not Asian, but I encourage you to have a dig through all the data I've posted anyway, "bro". Try this to start.

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CJ_W: I have never met someone who learned English in adulthood and did not speak with at least a bit of accent. You may not immediately recognize it, but it is always there. Myself don't really have an accent when I speak in monotone, but when I raise my voice or become more animated, then it's there. Some people can pick up on it and some people can't. Some would ask me if I am first generation or second generation (can't tell), but others would straight up ask me where I am from (can tell).

Bullshit. I know a guy who lived in an Asian country until he was in his early 20's and learned accentless English from scratch.

[True Killa]

I am not specifically talking to you on posting a report, Deluge. I am talking to any Asian guy who claim they are getting high quality girls either here or abroad. But if you can link me to a domestic or traveling lay diary by an Asian guy where the guy is actually getting laid from multiple girls, then it would be great.

Of course white guys find Asian girls easier due to the WGF. I don't have the WGF, but I still find it way easier over there. This is considering Asian girls are generally less sexual, have less sex partners in their lifetime, and just generally have a more uptight attitude about sex than Americans. To them, I am basically a local, I look like them, speak their language, and know their culture. I am also getting way more action than most of the local Asian guys. So the conclusion is that they are simply more responsive to my game and find me more attractive than American girls do.

For the accent thing. There are always outliers. But do you really want me to site you the multiple scientific studies on the "critical period of second language acquisition"? (That's the actual term they use)

[Deluge]

(04-13-2014 05:16 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

I am not specifically talking to you on posting a report, Deluge. I am talking to any Asian guy who claim they are getting high quality girls either here or abroad.

You asked me specifically, and in a very trollish way. There are plenty of such reports already. Use the Search function. If you're active in a pickup community I find it hard to believe you don't already know Asian guys who kill it unless there aren't many Asians where you live.

(04-13-2014 05:16 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Of course white guys find Asian girls easier due to the WGF. I don't have the WGF, but I still find it way easier over there. This is considering Asian girls are generally less sexual, have less sex partners in their lifetime, and just generally have a more uptight attitude about sex than Americans. To them, I am basically a local, I look like them, speak their language, and know their culture. I am also getting way more action than most of the local Asian guys. So the conclusion is that they are simply more responsive to my game and find me more attractive than American girls do.

I personally know guys of every race except African who've found girls in Asia to be very easy. I know a dark skinned Arab guy who never got laid here after a year or 2 of gaming (cuz he's a weird ass dude)who nailed a few Filipina's in a short trip to the Philippines. Asia sounds easier for everyone if you're a foreigner (I've spent time in Asia myself, but not to game and in the wrong places to game, but I did get treated like a rockstar in China just for being a brown guy).

You ignored what I asked you about Asian Americans, so I assume you either don't do better with them then white girls, or you don't game enough of them. Go try them then come back and talk to me about race. Or maybe you're less assimilated into white culture than you think and are still seen as an outsider. If you can fit into Asian culture so easily, I think that's the case. Most assimilated people I know struggle a lot to fit into the country of their parents, myself included.

(04-13-2014 05:16 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

For the accent thing. There are always outliers. But do you really want me to site you the multiple scientific studies on the "critical period of second language acquisition"? (That's the actual term they use)

They're in the minority, but I know too many people who grew up overseas, immigrated here and have no accents to believe the blanket statements you made earlier. They either learned accentless English from scratch, or didn't have a heavy accent when they immigrated and managed to get rid off it over time.

[True Killa]

Sorry bro, that request goes for every Asian member here. And it is a serious request. I did not see any successful Asian guy travel bang reports here, and very few in other forums. There might be a reason for this, but feel free to link them.

Here's the thing. I am not a foreigner there. I speak their language perfectly, know their culture, and lived with relatives there. So I basically was a local and was treated like a local. If you go to Asian countries, you will find a lot of foreigner seekers. From the travel reports here, I suspect most guys who went to Asia banged these chicks exclusively. Many of my bangs are true local girls and did not speak any English. From talking to the local guys, the only guys getting quality actions are ballers. So if I am getting success, I can't think of other reasons than having the right game for the locals. In the US, all of my bangs have been white girls, tourists, or Asian FOBs, no luck with Asian Americans at all. My own sister even told me that she will never date an Asian guy, some self-loathing bitches here.

Most of the immigrants that I know who speak relatively accentless English have started learning English at a young age before they came here. Even then, I can still tell that their tongues are not native. But I supposed it is something that can be rid off if one consciously works on it hard enough through speech exercises, but it probably won't happen just from everyday speaking.

[Deluge]

(04-13-2014 06:14 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Sorry bro, that request goes for every Asian member here. And it is a serious request. I did not see any successful Asian guy travel bang reports here, and very few in other forums. There might be a reason for this, but feel free to link them.

Use the search function, start with YMG's stuff. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

(04-13-2014 06:14 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Here's the thing. I am not a foreigner there. I speak their language perfectly, know their culture, and lived with relatives there. So I basically was a local and was treated like a local. If you go to Asian countries, you will find a lot of foreigner seekers. I suspect most guys who went to Asia banged these chicks exclusively. From talking to the local guys, the only guys getting quality actions are ballers. Chalked it up to the game, I guess. In the US, all of my bangs have been white girls, no luck with Asian Americans at all. My own sister even told me that she will never date an Asian guy, some self-loathing bitches here.

There are a lot of Asians in my parts, most of the girls like white guys, but the majority still date other Asian guys, they just don't like the FOB Asian guys especially. So if you're shit out of luck with Asian Americans but are killing it in Asia, chalk it up to how different the West is to the East for men of all races not just Asians, and perhaps your own FOBness. If you're basically treated as local in Asia, how are you fully integrated in America? Like I said, almost all people I know in that situation have struggled to adapt. Unless you're a rare breed who is able to fit in as a local in two completely different cultures it seems to me you're less integrated into America than you might think.

(04-13-2014 06:14 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Most of the immigrants that I know who speak relatively accentless English have started learning English at a young age before they came here. Even then, I can still tell that their tongues are not native. But I supposed it is something that can be rid off if one consciously works on it hard enough through speech exercises, but it probably won't happen just from everyday speaking.

No one said accents just go away overnight. They have to work on it, and there's only so much reduction that's possible depending on how strong the accent was.

I'm texting JWLZG right now about a trip we're doing over Easter, most of the girls around will be white. Who knows, maybe we'll come back with a juicy report for you about inter-racial sex in the West. I've wasted enough time on this debate, I'm just going to leave it. Peace.

[True Killa]

I would say I am getting way more action than most Asian Americans, and more action than average Americans. But it was hard work and no guy should spend this much time chasing tails, I tell you. And compare to the quality and quantity I get in Asia, it is an inefficient use of my time. Maybe I am doing it wrong in the states, but I wouldn't know unless I see the models of how other Asian guys slaying it here.

What I am saying is that the solution for Asian guys here is not quantitative: it's not about increase the number of approaches or working harder than everyone else, it's all qualitative: there should a model of game out there that addresses the problem Asian guys face, and it will choked all those negative stereotype to death. And right now, I don't see it.

So if you are an Asian guy getting as much action as the best of the best here, post your model please. And who's YMG?

[JWLZG]

True Killa, your exact ethnicity is irrelevant to the discussion. Having said that, how long have you been living in the States -- if you weren't born there -- and what sort of circles do you move around in?

The latter may shed more light on your notch count than mere skin colour. I'm not discounting by any means, but I wouldn't go. to the other extreme and scapegoat it for your lack of tail Stateside.
Your accent issue threw up a red flag towards my bringing up my above point. Your supposed ability to assimilate in Asia was another red flag.

Point out my airs of being some player god. I'm not going to deny being newish to game, nor that I was ever beset with any racial soul-searching. Nor that it doesn't cross my mind from time to time, especially where tinder and okcupid etc are concerned.

I hated my accent too before it became fully aussie. But I knew that day would come, and I'll be damned if I recall anyone judging me on that metric -- high school doychebaggery aside. Being immersed in a independent school with a then-majority Anglo-celtic makeup helped, but I'd say that that was circumstantial, along with my circles at that time -- compulsory and extracurricular sports etc.

So I'd give you some leeway for whingeing about accents if you were 13, but I'm guessing you're way past that stage.

irrespective of your point about Asians in the west being on the back foot socially, I'm not seeing it here (and I'll expand on that later) or I took a different tack: I worked my arse off at game. Or I still am. There's no need to settle for takeaway.

[True Killa]

I really want to move the discussion of this from being about me to being about game tactics for Asians. But to answer your question, I've been here for about 17 years. Most people cannot tell that I have an accent unless they listen in really carefully. Some guy did tell me that I sound just like Bruce Lee, and he was dead serious. English is my primary language now. I had to relearn my mother language recently for having not spoke it for so many years.

Reason for my quick assimilation in Asia? I have a strong extended family over there who hook me up with everything when I visit. For game, I don't do things I don't enjoy, so I don't do night game and I only drink a cup of wine when I do go out, but no beer because it tastes like crap and due to health reasons. I do day game and WeChat game mostly. Most Asian players I know are doing high octane butt-monkey game. I did that when I first started, but found it incongruent. I now use Daniel Craig's James Bond as my model and found better success. I dress well, am fit, and can cold read like Bond. I don't hang out in Asian social circles, I either go solo or hang out with female friends who I believe to have hot friends. I am aloof but speak my mind, that's why I relate to Daniel Craig's Bond so well. Like the other night with a friend and her friend at the dinner who I just met, she said she's a woman's studies major, and I just said, "I've never gotten along with a woman's studies major before, but nice to meet you." My friend was aghast, and I just looked at her with a "lol whatever" face.

The thing with being assimilated in the US is that I don't enjoy most of the things that Americans do. I don't like bars, beer, clubbing, pizza, or football. I like classy dinner, fine wine, and wearing nice suits. Like an Asian Bond. I actually don't care about being assimilated if it means doing things I don't want to do.

Again, it's not because I am not getting any actions. It's about not getting enough action for the amount of work that I put in. Which was immediately apparent when I went to Asia and killed it, and I also do well with non-American women in the US, both Asians and Europeans. If that tells you anything. But I feel like I am in a niche market and would like to go mainstream, if you get what I am saying.

[Brosemite]

Reading a lot of good insight here..some conflicting stuff, but at least it pertains to the end goal of gaming strategies. Just don't have a "meltdown" as a result of certain misunderstandings that can be resolved with calm reasoning.

[Chewbacon]

just to add my two cents.

I think the main limiting factor for asian guys in America is the sexualization factor. That is, a lot of white girls, and perhaps girls in general, consider asian guys to be less sexual, more straight edge, and more safe. So there is an image there, and it is an assumption built into the general female perception of asian men. I think if you want to succeed as an asian guy in america, you have to overcompensate a bit by being more aggressive - perhaps even more aggressive than white guys - in order to give off that pussy-tingling contrast. I know some guys who do this well, and kill it, and they are asian american. I know a FOB asian guy who does this extremely well too. I don't think girls give a shit about the accent.

So I think the approach of "sufficient integration" is not the right way, because being considered "an insider" is not the problem. You can be socially integrated and considered part of the social circle, but that doesn't mean your personna is sufficiently sexualized. It's like the Asian SAT handicap in america - to gain the same admissions spot, we have to score 130 points higher than the white student. In essence, if the approach is to be as white as possible, you are playing a white man's game with the a supplicating frame. I think, in a way, that is true killa's message (or partially). It takes a lot more work to achieve the same thing - so why bother?

So, back to the point i made initially, the best way I've observed from personal observation, is to "shock and awe." Just shock other people's perceptions of the asian guy COMPLETELY. Like Kenni Styles or somebody.

Granted, being hyper aggressive is hard to do. It certainly isn't my style. So I personally prefer asia, or asian americans who prefer to hang out predominantly with other asian americans. But the problem in america is just demographics - there just are not enough ABCs who prefer their own kind, or enough FOB visitors to game. Comparatively, Asia - even with white god factor - is still overflowing with enough asians that it does not matter, and being ABC is still quite high on the social totem pole.

[JWLZG]

(04-13-2014 09:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Reason for my quick assimilation in Asia? I have a strong extended family over there who hook me up with everything when I visit. For game, I don't do things I don't enjoy, so I don't do night game and I only drink a cup of wine when I do go out[...]

So do I still and I can count on all the above. Dad even had relatives from Fujian over at his place some time back (a few generations removed) so I could even count on a couch to crash on there.
That's where it ends though. Doesn't stop me from feeling like a complete outsider when I find myself in Singapore though (let alone the rest of Asia), and it does show -- in the way I speak, dress, act and think. Granted blending in and doing local shit is a travel tenet of mine, the point is I've got to make an effort to do so in my own birthplace.

(04-13-2014 09:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

The thing with being assimilated in the US is that I don't enjoy most of the things that Americans do. I don't like bars, beer, clubbing, pizza, or football. I like classy dinner, fine wine, and wearing nice suits. Like an Asian Bond. I actually don't care about being assimilated if it means doing things I don't want to do.

Again, I think that's too sweeping a generalisation. I segue into the classy thing pretty well myself. Sorry I refuse to believe that all of America is simply "bars, beer, clubbing, pizza, or football".
Even in Melbourne I could throw a stick and it would hit a hundred people that couldn't give a rat's arse about AFL, shopping sprees at Westfield or getting shitfaced at Crown every weekend.

Have you tried moving in circles frequented by classy people? Attended charity balls, join a yacht club or a theatre society?

You want to score with someone appreciative of class, I guess you'll have to approach whether classy types frequent.

Maybe that's your real dilemma, more so than skin colour?

(04-13-2014 09:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

Again, it's not because I am not getting any actions. It's about not getting enough action for the amount of work that I put in. Which was immediately apparent when I went to Asia and killed it, and I also do well with non-American women in the US, both Asians and Europeans. If that tells you anything. But I feel like I am in a niche market and would like to go mainstream, if you get what I am saying.

You're starting to answer questions bit by bit. From the picture I'm seeing it doesn't seem like race is the issue here. At least, not the deal breaker