[Clint Barton]

I can't say I agree with seaAltair's post. Before I even had read any game blogs or books, my first 10 bangs were Asian-American. I definitely didn't have any kind of "training" or experience in the world of game. I'm not a natural, either.

It seemed to me that Asian girls were the easiest because I was Asian, and had that sense of familiarity with girls who had some more cultural similarities to me than a white or black chick. Familiarity breeds comfort.

Asian girls come in all shapes and sizes, especially in the US. There are so many of them in a place like SoCal and NYC too. And wouldn't "less body" mean skinnier and actually turn a dude on, in a land of fat chicks? I definitely got 13 inch boners dancing with these skinny asian girls in the club.

And to say their social skills aren't as great on other girls on average is hard to believe. I'd like to know why seaAltair thinks that.

(03-23-2014 07:15 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 03:24 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

asian girls are some of the worst targets to game for an inexperienced guy. They tend to have less body, so your sexual state will be weaker which lowers your motivation. Secondly and more importantly, their social skills aren't as great as other girls on average. This means you have to make up for her lack of it and work harder.

You need enough horsepower to get the car up the hill. Some girls can contribute more horsepower than others

Are you saying that because you want to keep them to yourself? lol

[Dagnasty]

(03-10-2014 11:51 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

They also look mindfucked whenever they see a non-white person from Germany the UK or France...the looks on their faces are priceless...sometimes it's just disbelief. Funny thing is, when Japanese people ask me where I'm from...I occasionally just start fucking with them and then tell them I'm Chinese (sometimes rambling to them in Mandarin for a few seconds)...which most seem to believe immediately, looking legitimately surprised...I'm white with green eyes, a long nose and curly brown hair...don't look even the slightest bit Asian.

Yeah it's hilarious. My FOB Mandarin teacher here in the PI asked when we first met.

Her: Where are you from?
Me: The USA!
Her: How did YOU get there? I really want to go one day! =)
Me: Well, this one night, my mom and dad started fucking!
(I didn't really say this because she was serious and since then I've had time to change her mind - she was ignorant and seriously believed that all Americans were white)



"I occasionally just start fucking with them and then tell them I'm Chinese (sometimes rambling to them in Mandarin for a few seconds)"

When I get better at Mandarin I'm going to try this. ^_^

[rhodey]

(03-23-2014 07:24 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Great to hear different Asian and Asian-American viewpoints here. The disagreements and even heated discussion between us is actually a good thing, IMHO. It shows that this part of the community isn't just a homogenous group that all thinks the same way. That said, our individual game and lifestyle is something that is not discussed enough between us. Although game cuts across all color lines, there are some interesting differences and nuances when it comes to being an upcoming Asian playa. For the most part, game is game, but knowing these slight nuances can help optimize an Asian-American's success in the game.

I've met 6 or so members on the forum out here in NYC, and I've had a blast hanging with them. It would be cool to meet some of the Asian-American ones too. I heard there were some at the most recent NYC meetup, but I was outta town.

I'm a bit torn, too. There are only one or two asian guys in the NYC that I trust as wings. It sucks to say but I've found that ALOT of asian dudes have wack or no game here in NYC, even if they have great lifestyles. I'm not trying to diss or saying I'm the shit, but I see what I see when I'm out at the bars and clubs. Heck, in the venues I'm hitting up I'm not seeing a lot of Asian guys at all.

Oh yeah growing up, I always tripped that there was never an Asian-American male on the Real World. I did try out for one of the seasons haha. Although it is a silly, unreal, and shitty show, it would have been fun to represent on it.

Bart Kwan is what I'd call a great role model for an asian dude looking to up his game.

He's Funny, Confident, and strong as hell.

[samsamsam]

^^ not trying to be a dick, but is that dude gay?

I appreciate the second video, I realized I have been benching with bad form for many years. Been watching a lot of videos.

Edit: Dude can definitely crush some weight.

[Travesty]

(03-23-2014 09:54 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

^^ not trying to be a dick, but is that dude gay?

I appreciate the second video, I realized I have been benching with bad form for many years. Been watching a lot of videos.

Not Asian, but I have lived in SoCal specifically in and around Irvine for a long period. Two of my best friends are Asian.

Several Asian guys I have known have a way better vibe and better swag than this guy.

His voice and the way he talks seems way too soft and choppy. Also his general demeanor, just doesn't seem smooth.

There has to be better role models out there.

[Brosemite]

(03-23-2014 07:24 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I'm a bit torn, too. There are only one or two asian guys in the NYC that I trust as wings. It sucks to say but I've found that ALOT of asian dudes have wack or no game here in NYC, even if they have great lifestyles. I'm not trying to diss or saying I'm the shit, but I see what I see when I'm out at the bars and clubs. Heck, in the venues I'm hitting up I'm not seeing a lot of Asian guys at all.

Too many of the Asian guys I know in NYC are just all about their immediate social circles & getting approval from aforementioned cliques (mainly Korean). Instead of.."what do you like to do for fun" or "where are you from," it's always "who do you know here" or "must be in finance?" Real boring shit.

Waste of time & money hanging out with those cats. Used to live in Queens late teens and have been back in NYC quite often for work, but last trip was August 2012. Non-Asian chicks are always excited when I initiate convos in NYC bc they're just not used to it. The only issue is talking to white chicks at Third Floor bc they might have a girls night out with the intention of avoiding "typical creepers" not expecting beta Asian clientele to approach lol.

I get what you mean Clint.

[Don_]

Is there any non-Native Asian, aka FOB Asian on this board that games in Anglo countries?

I find it hard to be "smooth" when having conversation with White/Hispanic women in US because English is not my first language. I'm always conscious about my humor and body language since I grew up in Asia. I've been in US for only a few years.

I've never had problems or any anxiety when hitting on fellow FOB Asians though since either we speak the same language or their English is also on the same page as mine.

I'd love to hear more from other non Native Asian in America.

[Chewbacon]

(03-24-2014 03:27 PM)Don_ Wrote:  

Is there any non-Native Asian, aka FOB Asian on this board that games in Anglo countries?

I find it hard to be "smooth" when having conversation with White/Hispanic women in US because English is not my first language. I'm always conscious about my humor and body language since I grew up in Asia. I've been in US for only a few years.

I've never had problems or any anxiety when hitting on fellow FOB Asians though since either we speak the same language or their English is also on the same page as mine.

I'd love to hear more from other non Native Asian in America.

I would just play up the exotic factor and compensate with ramped up aggression/kino.

I am not FOB but two of the best guys at pick up I know are both FOB (one chinese, one singaporean). You just gotta be direct, a little bit non-verbal, assert a super dominant frame.

[Chewbacon]

This discussion actually reminds me of a question I had about NYC.

Do you guys use OK Cupid or online dating? I had started a previous thread on this topic, but I didn't get any responses from asian guys.

How do you find online dating as an Asian guy in the U.S? Do you find you are playing at a massive disadvantage because there is more "on paper" discounting by girls? How is the reception from Asian American girls?

[Dalaran1991]

(03-24-2014 03:27 PM)Don_ Wrote:  

Is there any non-Native Asian, aka FOB Asian on this board that games in Anglo countries?

I find it hard to be "smooth" when having conversation with White/Hispanic women in US because English is not my first language. I'm always conscious about my humor and body language since I grew up in Asia. I've been in US for only a few years.

I've never had problems or any anxiety when hitting on fellow FOB Asians though since either we speak the same language or their English is also on the same page as mine.

I'd love to hear more from other non Native Asian in America.

Game cut through cultures. English is not my native lang and neither is French, but my game here is much better than in my home country. Funny. Maybe it's just bc I don't find Asian girls attractive.

It maybe cliché and I used to hate it when people say "it's not what you say, it's how you say it", but it's true. I made out with this hot blonde who spoke neither French nor English just with my dance game. Roosh pulled several gals using sign language.

[seaAltair]

(03-23-2014 07:15 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 03:24 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

asian girls are some of the worst targets to game for an inexperienced guy. They tend to have less body, so your sexual state will be weaker which lowers your motivation. Secondly and more importantly, their social skills aren't as great as other girls on average. This means you have to make up for her lack of it and work harder.

You need enough horsepower to get the car up the hill. Some girls can contribute more horsepower than others

Are you saying that because you want to keep them to yourself? lol

nada they're at the bottom of the totem pole for me

white girls
persians
latinas
everyone else but asians
asians

[seaAltair]

less body as in tons are breastless

The few times I've talked to asians to warm up they were receptive. Maybe it is the familiarity reason you mentioned.

The white boys I know complain all the time about how hard it is with asians. They're awkward

(03-23-2014 07:41 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I can't say I agree with seaAltair's post. Before I even had read any game blogs or books, my first 10 bangs were Asian-American. I definitely didn't have any kind of "training" or experience in the world of game. I'm not a natural, either.

It seemed to me that Asian girls were the easiest because I was Asian, and had that sense of familiarity with girls who had some more cultural similarities to me than a white or black chick. Familiarity breeds comfort.

Asian girls come in all shapes and sizes, especially in the US. There are so many of them in a place like SoCal and NYC too. And wouldn't "less body" mean skinnier and actually turn a dude on, in a land of fat chicks? I definitely got 13 inch boners dancing with these skinny asian girls in the club.

And to say their social skills aren't as great on other girls on average is hard to believe. I'd like to know why seaAltair thinks that.

(03-23-2014 07:15 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 03:24 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

asian girls are some of the worst targets to game for an inexperienced guy. They tend to have less body, so your sexual state will be weaker which lowers your motivation. Secondly and more importantly, their social skills aren't as great as other girls on average. This means you have to make up for her lack of it and work harder.

You need enough horsepower to get the car up the hill. Some girls can contribute more horsepower than others

Are you saying that because you want to keep them to yourself? lol

[Don_]

(03-24-2014 06:08 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 03:27 PM)Don_ Wrote:  

Is there any non-Native Asian, aka FOB Asian on this board that games in Anglo countries?

I find it hard to be "smooth" when having conversation with White/Hispanic women in US because English is not my first language. I'm always conscious about my humor and body language since I grew up in Asia. I've been in US for only a few years.

I've never had problems or any anxiety when hitting on fellow FOB Asians though since either we speak the same language or their English is also on the same page as mine.

I'd love to hear more from other non Native Asian in America.

Game cut through cultures. English is not my native lang and neither is French, but my game here is much better than in my home country. Funny. Maybe it's just bc I don't find Asian girls attractive.

It maybe cliché and I used to hate it when people say "it's not what you say, it's how you say it", but it's true. I made out with this hot blonde who spoke neither French nor English just with my dance game. Roosh pulled several gals using sign language.

Interesting perspective. I somewhat agree about the attractiveness part. It's not that I don't find Asian women attractive but rather my standard for Asian women is a bit higher than say white people.

Attractive AA in US is smaller percentage and the ones that are hot and know it are very hard to get due to high demand, unlike in my native country. Not only Asian men wants them but other men as well.

If I wanted to date or marry attractive Asian woman, I'd definitely import one instead of finding one here.

[True Killa]

I am a pseudo-FOB Asian too, first generation who lives in the states for a long-time. One thing I noticed when I go to Asian countries is that game gets a lot easier with a lack of negative Asian male stereotypes like in the US. It makes me wonder why I still lives in this God forsaken country. It is definitely not game on easy mode like when white guys go to Asia. More like on normal mode, whereas in the US it is on ex-hard mode.

I am mainly interested in Asian girls living in Asian countries, and there is only a dearth of info for how to game Asian girls as an Asian guy. Many of the tactics work on American girls seem to fall apart for me when used on Asian girls abroad, like negging and aloofness. Any Asian players want to chim in on gaming Asian girls versus gaming American girls?

[Clint Barton]

Hey seaAltair thanks for clarifying. I'm not a fan of the generally small tits of asian girls either. Based on my experience, the Korean girls have had the curviest(but still slim) bodies and biggest tits of Asian girls. Too bad Korean chicks are the hardest Asians for me to game up.

One reason I stopped tripping about "white guys getting asian women" is because over the years, I haven't seen non-Asian men do significantly better with the Asian and Asian-American 8s/9s/mythical 10s here in the US. For girls in that range, game and having a cool lifestyle is higher on the list than race.

Oh yeah I've seen lots of good looking, successful non-Asian(mostly white) dudes, with Asian girls that I would consider a 6 or even less, haha. I don't get it. Do Asian men have a higher standard for Asian girls in the US?

(03-24-2014 07:28 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

less body as in tons are breastless

The few times I've talked to asians to warm up they were receptive. Maybe it is the familiarity reason you mentioned.

The white boys I know complain all the time about how hard it is with asians. They're awkward

(03-23-2014 07:41 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I can't say I agree with seaAltair's post. Before I even had read any game blogs or books, my first 10 bangs were Asian-American. I definitely didn't have any kind of "training" or experience in the world of game. I'm not a natural, either.

It seemed to me that Asian girls were the easiest because I was Asian, and had that sense of familiarity with girls who had some more cultural similarities to me than a white or black chick. Familiarity breeds comfort.

Asian girls come in all shapes and sizes, especially in the US. There are so many of them in a place like SoCal and NYC too. And wouldn't "less body" mean skinnier and actually turn a dude on, in a land of fat chicks? I definitely got 13 inch boners dancing with these skinny asian girls in the club.

And to say their social skills aren't as great on other girls on average is hard to believe. I'd like to know why seaAltair thinks that.

(03-23-2014 07:15 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 03:24 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

asian girls are some of the worst targets to game for an inexperienced guy. They tend to have less body, so your sexual state will be weaker which lowers your motivation. Secondly and more importantly, their social skills aren't as great as other girls on average. This means you have to make up for her lack of it and work harder.

You need enough horsepower to get the car up the hill. Some girls can contribute more horsepower than others

Are you saying that because you want to keep them to yourself? lol

[Sargon of Akkad]

(03-25-2014 12:18 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Oh yeah I've seen lots of good looking, successful non-Asian(mostly white) dudes, with Asian girls that I would consider a 6 or even less, haha. I don't get it. Do Asian men have a higher standard for Asian girls in the US?

I think it might just be that some of us have different tastes, which can also vary between cultures and social groups. Then again, the "foreigner-hunters" in Asia have a reputation for being pretty plain in terms of attractiveness, so that may contribute somewhat.

Don't know about the US, but it is true that this whole "white fever" does not apply at all for 99% of the more attractive girls in Japan or China. As you said, your status looks and social prowess play infinitely more of a role here than your ethnicity.

[007]

The offspring of Chinamen & black women are affectionately known as 'chinegro' or 'blackanese'

[WalterBlack]

(03-25-2014 04:43 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I think it might just be that some of us have different tastes, which can also vary between cultures and social groups. Then again, the "foreigner-hunters" in Asia have a reputation for being pretty plain in terms of attractiveness, so that may contribute somewhat.

I agree – the kind of look that is popular in Asian countries is not necessarily popular in western countries. Western guys usually like some curves whereas in Asia they like their women slim

A (admittedly very rare) Chinese woman with a big tits and arse is considered “fat” in China. Many western guys love that look. Taller women tend to have a harder time in Asian countries too. I remember meeting a Japanese FOB in Los Angeles and she kept on going on about how tall she was – she was 5’7”! I told her she wasn’t tall (for western standards), but she said in Japan she was taller than a lot of the men there.

The tastes for western guys are so different that even billionaires have ugly wives: This guy (Reid Hoffman) is a billionaire because of LinkedIn. Check his wife out:



We all know about Mark Zuckerberg's wife so I’m not going to bring him up here.

Woody Harrelson’s wife is even worse:



Nicolas Cage is the only celebrity I've seen with a half decent looking Asian wife:
.

She's hot, but I think she's a 6.5 in Japan.

[Moma]

(03-09-2014 10:54 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Interesting discussion. Glad to know there are more Asian-American players out here on the RVF!

American born Filipino here. I would say most of my kind aren't in the game like I am. Not even close. My closest friend IS, and is quite good, even at a height of 5'8. He's half-Palestinian half-Filipino and has that hapa look that works well with a variety of different races. A combination of that and a dedication to always improving his game has gotten him a 60+ notch count of few 6s, mostly7s, good amount of 8s, and arguably a 9 or two. I've got a little more than half his notch count with good quality to boot, too.

Don't mean to brag but we are in our 30s and we've outlasted and out-gamed ALL of our Filipino-American peers from college. Even the best looking ones who were "naturals" during undergrad gave up, got fat, and got married to 5s and 6s. Btw I'm not just running niche game and fucking only other asians. In the past half year I've fucked white girls like a 21yr old Romanian 8, and a 24yr NYC hipster 7.5. Got my Colombia and Spain flags years ago. Just got a brazilian model's number at whole foods earlier this evening.

That said, I don't worry much about my race anymore. Its all about my frame, weeding out the girls who aren't down for what I'm got, and maximizing my lifestyle (great career, lift weights hard, low body fat%, eats and cook well, always reading, traveling around the world, suiting up, keep logistics on lock). These things have very little to do with race.

When I stopped worrying about competing against white guys with more "advantages" a few years ago, while focusing on creating the best me, thats when my game opened up and poosy of all races flowed.

Stop worrying about race(and things like height), control what you can, and fucking bring it.

I can co-sign Clint's mentality, seen him in action last year.

[El Chinito loco]

It's always great to read enlightened Asian guy posts on here. I think there's a growing sub group of "us" out there in the world living a red pill type lifestyle. I am also familiar with the asian-american closed clique mentality that plagues communities in SoCal and other places. I had friends that were like that and when I started to create my life plan to break away from that orbit so I could travel the rest of the world they treated me like I was a fool. This was way before internet forums and finding out there were other people who thought along similar lines.

Now when I look back most of them are still associating with the same clique of people they've known since high school with few women in their lives. Their horizons are closed off and now that they are all in their mid 30's it's very hard to work to better themselves when a lot of them have simply given up.

It's definitely a mindset you have to have and a discipline to adhere to it. Although let's face it America is definitely pretty rigged against a lot of non-whites socially speaking and most def. even more so against asians in the dating world but the fact of the matter is that you have to put your best self forward in any situation to maximize your chances, this goes for anything. A lot of asians don't even try or have given up because they were confronted with adversity and folded.

[seaAltair]

(03-25-2014 12:18 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Hey seaAltair thanks for clarifying. I'm not a fan of the generally small tits of asian girls either. Based on my experience, the Korean girls have had the curviest(but still slim) bodies and biggest tits of Asian girls. Too bad Korean chicks are the hardest Asians for me to game up.

One reason I stopped tripping about "white guys getting asian women" is because over the years, I haven't seen non-Asian men do significantly better with the Asian and Asian-American 8s/9s/mythical 10s here in the US. For girls in that range, game and having a cool lifestyle is higher on the list than race.

Oh yeah I've seen lots of good looking, successful non-Asian(mostly white) dudes, with Asian girls that I would consider a 6 or even less, haha. I don't get it. Do Asian men have a higher standard for Asian girls in the US?

korean women always seem to be at the top of the totem pole for guys who like east asians. filipinos for guys that like southeast asians

If you're genuinely into asian women, white boys are not competition. Its mainly nerdy white boys who put asians at the top of their list. These guys don't go for the hot asian sluts 8s/9s/and 10s you mentioned. They like mediocre asian girls at best. the chinky fob ones are hot to them. Never met an alpha white boy who strongly prefers asians over white women.

white people have different standards for asians than asians do. A chinky girl can be considered exotic to a white boy wheres asians like asians with caucasian features. Growing up I always thought it was retarded how asian parents admire caucasian features yet want their kids to marry asian. why not just go for the real thing and swoop white girls

the reverse is also true. asians who still have remnants of that colonized fob mentality can't evaluate caucasian beauty worth shit. they auto assume it's beautiful just because it's white. The Asian-Americans I know who have experience with white girls will notice if a white girl is too pasty or has no ass.

finally you have the rare and elusive white girls who have a preference for asian males. some can be cute, but out of this sample I never seen one I would consider fly. These white girls tend to be nerdy and dorky. I actually do better with white bitches who tend to date in their race than asian fever cases. Maybe because I sound like a Black guy.

[Clint Barton]

@seaAltair great post ^^
@Moma thanks for the shout out and introducing me to Kaizen
@007 never heard those terms. I use blasian for black and asian. Once in awhile I get mistaken for blasian too haha.
@WalterBlack add Brian Greenburg to the list of dudes who chose their Asian girls right. He got engaged to the actress Jamie Chung, who've I've hung out with and shes fly and came off as nice and down to earth.

   

[El Chinito loco]

(03-25-2014 01:03 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

korean women always seem to be at the top of the totem pole for guys who like east asians. filipinos for guys that like southeast asians

Most of the non-asian guys who like asian women i've met tend to put Japanese women on a pedestal. Probably because of their love of anime and they have fantasies of being gaijin in the orient or whatever.

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If you're genuinely into asian women, white boys are not competition. Its mainly nerdy white boys who put asians at the top of their list. These guys don't go for the hot asian sluts 8s/9s/and 10s you mentioned. They like mediocre asian girls at best. the chinky fob ones are hot to them. Never met an alpha white boy who strongly prefers asians over white women.

This is true but the reason I see is that most girls that are top tier (in almost any country) require actual game and sometimes in depth social circle. Some random nerds aren't going to be able to compete with true local players for the 8, 9, 10s which in SEA means the rich local boys who are also good looking and are most likely fucking them. These top tier local guys also aren't beta and have much superior social connections.

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white people have different standards for asians than asians do. A chinky girl can be considered exotic to a white boy wheres asians like asians with caucasian features.

I don't think the asian girl who has caucasian features is considered more attractive by asians. I think some things are universal such as long legs, white skin, pretty face, etc.. It just so happens that this is the pinnacle of beauty in Asia and was around way before europeans ever came into the picture. Go look at some ancient scroll paintings sometime..all the women have that sort of idealized porcelain skinned beauty.

[WalterBlack]

(03-25-2014 08:05 AM)007 Wrote:  

The offspring of Chinamen & black women are affectionately known as 'chinegro' or 'blackanese'

Chinese and Indian are called Chindians.

Another western guy who's making good use of money to score high quality Asian poon is Eduardo Saverin, a Facebook billionaire. He now lives in Singapore.



The 'geek' who is learning how to party with his Facebook billions: Eduardo Saverin was portrayed as the nerd double-crossed by his scheming room-mate... but now HE'S the one living the Hollywood lifestyle

[Clint Barton]

El Chinito loco makes some good points.

My game is terrible when it comes to Asians in Asia but in the US, Asian chicks are my bread and butter. Its also pretty interesting that as an Asian, my game is better with local girls in central and eastern europe than with the girls in Asia, and even my parents homeland.