[Wutang]

(03-03-2014 11:10 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Of course Chinese people have a huge problem with this. I'll tell you why.

Chinese people believe that they are better than all other types of people. They believe that due to foreign imperialism, they've had their rightful place as hegemon stolen from them, but really, deep down in side, they DESERVE to run the world and have all other countries and peoples lay tribute at their feet. This is 100% the way that they think.

Being butthurt from all that dang Western imperialism, cross-national and cross-racial dating between Chinese and others is a huge deal to them.

Most Chinese men HATE is when their women date white men. In Chinese culture, as well as most places, light skin is considered attractive and dark skin is ugly.

Chinese men feel like white men are using their lucky good looks and wealth (due to the booty acquired through Western imperialism) to steal their women, which all Chinese men know, only they deserve.

They have absolutely no problem with Chinese men dating and marrying white women. This demonstrates the superiority of Chinese culture and the value and deepness of Chinese men (they're right, which is why Chinese men almost never date white women).

When a movie (Babes in Beijing) was made in China about foreigners dating Chinese, it was Chinese men dating white women, even though this scenario is extremely rare and a movie about Chinese women dating and marrying white men would have been 99% more realistic.

However, when Chinese men date and marry black women, Chinese people see this as a national DLV. As far as they are concerned, all black people are black because they have poor hygiene. A Chinese man marrying such a women is a serious burn for them. Even worse is a black man marrying a Chinese woman, because it suggests that the lowest of the low is better than a Chinese man. An even bigger DLV for all Chinese people.

At least if Chinese women date and marry white guys, it is understandable because of the attractive white skin, so the country doesn't take a DLV hit. Chinese guys don't like foreign guys stealing their dinner, but at least it is something of a DHV for China that the rich men of the world (all white men are rich), would want a Chinese woman instead of their own kind (white women).


To be clear, these aren't my opinions at all, of course. But based on my three years of experience in China, this is how most Chinese people, educated or not, tend to think. I find it tragic.

Mainland Chinese are EXTREMELY nationalistic. I'm Chinese myself but from Taiwan and I've noticed this over and over again in my encounters with mainlanders through out the years. When I was in elementary school, a mainland kid moved into my neighborhood and ended up in my class. My teacher had me hang around him a lot since he couldn't speak English at all and I was fluent in Mandarin at the time to act as a translator (which got me 50 cents a day to buy ice cream from the cafeteria). This boy would always go on about how Taiwan needs to come reunite with China so that they could protect us from other countries, about how traitors to China should be punished and the like. Keep in mind this was coming from a boy under 10 - just shows you what sort of ideas was floating around at home as well as the society he was from.

There's lot of bitter Asian guys angry about Asian girls stealing white women but I would chalk that up more to simple human tribalism. Just look at the "black men are stealing our women" threads that pop up on various parts of the manosphere from time to time.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(03-10-2014 10:54 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

Mainland Chinese are EXTREMELY nationalistic. I'm Chinese myself but from Taiwan and I've noticed this over and over again in my encounters with mainlanders through out the years. When I was in elementary school, a mainland kid moved into my neighborhood and ended up in my class. My teacher had me hang around him a lot since he couldn't speak English at all and I was fluent in Mandarin at the time to act as a translator (which got me 50 cents a day to buy ice cream from the cafeteria). This boy would always go on about how Taiwan needs to come reunite with China so that they could protect us from other countries, about how traitors to China should be punished and the like. Keep in mind this was coming from a boy under 10 - just shows you what sort of ideas was floating around at home as well as the society he was from.

There's lot of bitter Asian guys angry about Asian girls stealing white women but I would chalk that up more to simple human tribalism. Just look at the "black men are stealing our women" threads that pop up on various parts of the manosphere from time to time.

This is true.

I've seen this manifested in the following opinions I encountered commonly among Mainlanders.

"Taiwan is OURS!"
"Mao Zedong" was a HERO!"
"The Japanese are EVIL!...ALL of them!"

I've found many mainland Chinese are also much more quick to believe ignorant stereotypes about other places. It's a similar level of ignorance people often associate with Americans.

MANY Chinese, for example, have this notion that "nationality = race", and that Americans and Canadians, for instance, constitute a race. A woman from Shandong (?) I met here in Japan, once asked me:
"奥巴马是美国人吗？/ Is Obama American?"
"当然 / Of course," I said, "他是美国的总统，怎么可能不是美国人？/ He's the American president. How can he not be American?"
”但是...他长的有一点儿黑！”/ But...he looks a bit black!" She says in utter confusion.

“他是黑人 / He's a black person," I said (technically, he's mixed, but what the hell).
She looks at me in shock and awe. "但是...我以为美国人都是白人！/ But...I thought Americans are all white!"

This would be more forgivable if they didn't have occasional pictures of Black American celebrities in China along with Obama featured regularly as the American president on CCTV. Plus, they do cover the American Civil War in history class, from what I'm told.

Another Taiwanese girl I met in Germany said she met a Mainlander who was dumstruck upon learning that Taiwanese people knew how to speak Mandarin...this wouldn't be too much of an issue if only...oh...I don't know...almost every other song playing at KTV joints are Taiwanese pop songs in fucking Mandarin.

They also look mindfucked whenever they see a non-white person from Germany the UK or France...the looks on their faces are priceless...sometimes it's just disbelief. Funny thing is, when Japanese people ask me where I'm from...I occasionally just start fucking with them and then tell them I'm Chinese (sometimes rambling to them in Mandarin for a few seconds)...which most seem to believe immediately, looking legitimately surprised...I'm white with green eyes, a long nose and curly brown hair...don't look even the slightest bit Asian.

Generally, I've just found Mainlanders are particularly quick to blindly believe stereotypes about other nationalities, groups or ethnicities. In a way, China and the US share a somewhat similar national stereotypes in the form of ignorance about the outside world (without having an excuse, China may be censored, but it's no North Korea) and believing the rest of the world revolves around them.

[Wutang]

Some people reading the above post might think "Well maybe it's just because you are encountering un-educated, peasant Chinese people" but I can say from personal experience that I've heard similar pronouncements from educated Chinese that have been outside of the country. I took a Chinese language course back in college taught by a FOB mainlander TA. In class every now and then she would like to bring up random topics just as a way to break up the monotony of lecture and I remember she actually straight up said "Isn't it true that Jews control the economy in the US?" Another time after asking who there was from China and who was from Taiwan she started going into a monologue about how Chinese need to stick together and how it would be best for Taiwan to return to the embrace of the motherland. Another time she talked about she was anti-gay marriage - so much for the myth that only religious could have an objection to that.

[Chewbacon]

(03-10-2014 11:51 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(03-10-2014 10:54 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

Mainland Chinese are EXTREMELY nationalistic. I'm Chinese myself but from Taiwan and I've noticed this over and over again in my encounters with mainlanders through out the years. When I was in elementary school, a mainland kid moved into my neighborhood and ended up in my class. My teacher had me hang around him a lot since he couldn't speak English at all and I was fluent in Mandarin at the time to act as a translator (which got me 50 cents a day to buy ice cream from the cafeteria). This boy would always go on about how Taiwan needs to come reunite with China so that they could protect us from other countries, about how traitors to China should be punished and the like. Keep in mind this was coming from a boy under 10 - just shows you what sort of ideas was floating around at home as well as the society he was from.

There's lot of bitter Asian guys angry about Asian girls stealing white women but I would chalk that up more to simple human tribalism. Just look at the "black men are stealing our women" threads that pop up on various parts of the manosphere from time to time.

This is true.

I've seen this manifested in the following opinions I encountered commonly among Mainlanders.

"Taiwan is OURS!"
"Mao Zedong" was a HERO!"
"The Japanese are EVIL!...ALL of them!"

I've found many mainland Chinese are also much more quick to believe ignorant stereotypes about other places. It's a similar level of ignorance people often associate with Americans.

MANY Chinese, for example, have this notion that "nationality = race", and that Americans and Canadians, for instance, constitute a race. A woman from Shandong (?) I met here in Japan, once asked me:
"奥巴马是美国人吗？/ Is Obama American?"
"当然 / Of course," I said, "他是美国的总统，怎么可能不是美国人？/ He's the American president. How can he not be American?"
”但是...他长的有一点儿黑！”/ But...he looks a bit black!" She says in utter confusion.

“他是黑人 / He's a black person," I said (technically, he's mixed, but what the hell).
She looks at me in shock and awe. "但是...我以为美国人都是白人！/ But...I thought Americans are all white!"

This would be more forgivable if they didn't have occasional pictures of Black American celebrities in China along with Obama featured regularly as the American president on CCTV. Plus, they do cover the American Civil War in history class, from what I'm told.

Another Taiwanese girl I met in Germany said she met a Mainlander who was dumstruck upon learning that Taiwanese people knew how to speak Mandarin...this wouldn't be too much of an issue if only...oh...I don't know...almost every other song playing at KTV joints are Taiwanese pop songs in fucking Mandarin.

They also look mindfucked whenever they see a non-white person from Germany the UK or France...the looks on their faces are priceless...sometimes it's just disbelief. Funny thing is, when Japanese people ask me where I'm from...I occasionally just start fucking with them and then tell them I'm Chinese (sometimes rambling to them in Mandarin for a few seconds)...which most seem to believe immediately, looking legitimately surprised...I'm white with green eyes, a long nose and curly brown hair...don't look even the slightest bit Asian.

Generally, I've just found Mainlanders are particularly quick to blindly believe stereotypes about other nationalities, groups or ethnicities. In a way, China and the US share a somewhat similar national stereotypes in the form of ignorance about the outside world (without having an excuse, China may be censored, but it's no North Korea) and believing the rest of the world revolves around them.

I have met so many FOBs in my life. A shit ton. Nobody has ever said anything this stupid. I'm not saying there aren't a shit ton of ignorant mainlanders, but I mean - in a country of 1.2 billion, even encountering 300 million ignorant fucks would not constitute the majority.

[LostAwake]

(03-09-2014 10:54 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Interesting discussion. Glad to know there are more Asian-American players out here on the RVF!

American born Filipino here. I would say most of my kind aren't in the game like I am. Not even close. My closest friend IS, and is quite good, even at a height of 5'8. He's half-Palestinian half-Filipino and has that hapa look that works well with a variety of different races. A combination of that and a dedication to always improving his game has gotten him a 60+ notch count of few 6s, mostly7s, good amount of 8s, and arguably a 9 or two. I've got a little more than half his notch count with good quality to boot, too.

Don't mean to brag but we are in our 30s and we've outlasted and out-gamed ALL of our Filipino-American peers from college. Even the best looking ones who were "naturals" during undergrad gave up, got fat, and got married to 5s and 6s. Btw I'm not just running niche game and fucking only other asians. In the past half year I've fucked white girls like a 21yr old Romanian 8, and a 24yr NYC hipster 7.5. Got my Colombia and Spain flags years ago. Just got a brazilian model's number at whole foods earlier this evening.

That said, I don't worry much about my race anymore. Its all about my frame, weeding out the girls who aren't down for what I'm got, and maximizing my lifestyle (great career, lift weights hard, low body fat%, eats and cook well, always reading, traveling around the world, suiting up, keep logistics on lock). These things have very little to do with race.

When I stopped worrying about competing against white guys with more "advantages" a few years ago, while focusing on creating the best me, thats when my game opened up and poosy of all races flowed.

Stop worrying about race(and things like height), control what you can, and fucking bring it.

Well said Hawkeye, well said. Couldn't agree more.

[WalterBlack]

(03-10-2014 11:51 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

They also look mindfucked whenever they see a non-white person from Germany the UK or France...the looks on their faces are priceless...sometimes it's just disbelief.

I’m UK born and raised and I’m not white – this is indeed a mindfuck for them. I never really had the issue in Japan – many of them thought I was American! I had some text in kanji on my cellphone explaining my background so it made sense to them. I’ve had the same “You don’t look British” line thrown at me by many Korean and Chinese FOBs in my time in LA.

(03-10-2014 11:51 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Generally, I've just found Mainlanders are particularly quick to blindly believe stereotypes about other nationalities, groups or ethnicities. In a way, China and the US share a somewhat similar national stereotypes in the form of ignorance about the outside world (without having an excuse, China may be censored, but it's no North Korea) and believing the rest of the world revolves around them.

I’ve got ignorant shit from Americans too – I’ve been told that my English is really good (as in it's good for a FOB) and I’ve been accused of faking my accent! In Jan in LAX the guy at immigration asked me if my name was my real name (my first name is English and my last name sounds like an Englsih name, even though it’s not)! He also asked me if I lived in LA, then when I pulled out my driving licence, he was shocked and said “I’ve never seen a guy with your background who lives in LA before”. I've had a white American guy and a Japanese FOB (in LA) both assume that I’m half white because I don’t act like a FOB from my parents’ country.

Actually most Americans accept me for who I am, whereas with Asian FOBs they almost never believe me.

(03-11-2014 12:10 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

Some people reading the above post might think "Well maybe it's just because you are encountering un-educated, peasant Chinese people" but I can say from personal experience that I've heard similar pronouncements from educated Chinese that have been outside of the country. I took a Chinese language course back in college taught by a FOB mainlander TA. In class every now and then she would like to bring up random topics just as a way to break up the monotony of lecture and I remember she actually straight up said "Isn't it true that Jews control the economy in the US?" Another time after asking who there was from China and who was from Taiwan she started going into a monologue about how Chinese need to stick together and how it would be best for Taiwan to return to the embrace of the motherland. Another time she talked about she was anti-gay marriage - so much for the myth that only religious could have an objection to that.

I’ve heard the same line about Jews from various Chinese FOBs who have been to grad school in the US. Some are also very negative towards SE Asians, South Asians and black people.

I used to work with a woman from Shanghai who was always talking about how great China is - I asked her why she doesn't move there if it's so great. She said that the Chinese government would probably torture her husband (He's a Chinese FOB with US Citizenship who works for a Defence company in Los Angeles). She's totally full of shit! She also used to go on about how Chinese are rich and success all over the world. I would burst her bubble with stories like this:

75 arrested over human trafficking gang which charged Chinese people £40,000 to smuggle them into Europe

[Brosemite]

(03-10-2014 07:32 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I’m in Los Angeles and there’s a LOT of Asian guys who never venture outside their Asian bubble. I work with an ABC guy who was born and raised in Arcadia, which is east of LA and very heavily Chinese area – he said his school was 50% Chinese people, so his friends were all Chinese.

He then went to UC Irvine for college – he said his social circle was a bit more mixed - Korean, Japanese as well as Chinese! He’s married to a Chinese woman.

I did grad school in the US, and nearly all of the Asian guys stuck together there too.

Totally follow on the Arcadia, CA trail bc I once met a gal that would agree with your testimony on the place.

I don't want to say segregated, but it's funny how parts of Southern California can be very "ethnically isolated." I once met a chick of Mexican descent from the LA area in Brazil as she claimed to have never tried pho or Vietnamese food. Shocked me quite a bit as she was 30 at the time of meeting her.

On the other hand, I did meet a similar gal in Mexico City one time also Hispanic from LA & her Mandarin was impeccable as she studied it at a major university.

[Parlay44]

(03-02-2014 07:55 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 06:07 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:08 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 01:05 PM)mikado Wrote:  

Lol the racism in the comments

There is some comedy gold there. All the comments are being left by Chinese people that don't quite approve of their men dating black African women.

the fuck is wrong with chinese people? they have a severe shortage of women and they still frown upon foreign poon?

As a Chinese guy myself, I'll be the first to say that your average asian (Chinese) guy is supremely beta. Whether it's nature or nature, who knows, but the truth is the truth. Most asian men are content being betas and deltas, and it makes the few Asian alphas look bad. It's an uphill battle to get hot white girls. But I've pulled it off.

I had a white GF years ago that told me she couldn't believe she ended up with an Asian guy. That's just how it is. I Game harder for higher quality.

You make it sound like hot white girls are the holy grail of pussy. They're not all that.

[Dalaran1991]

(03-09-2014 11:34 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

An Asian RVF member I met told me he thinks Asian guys get a lot of love in France in particular. Can anyone weigh in on this?

I'm a Vietnamese guy in Paris. I lived in US for 4 years but now I'm camping in Europe and don't intend to leave soon.

How do I put this... I knew game since my US college days but never got a chance to test them out, racism where I was a huge issue and I couldn't push back at it with my beta being at the time. Now I'm in France and though I see a huge, tremendous change in my interaction with French girls, I still haven't got to the point of getting laid, but it's primarily due to me not doing enough approaches. I also make a conscious point of not hanging out with beta Asian guys, which has helped my game a lot.

Let's be careful, Asian guys don't have it easier here. Thanks to Hollywood and FOB Chinese guys we still have a shitty reputation and most girls assume we are asexual. However the Asian guys here are much much more Alpha than in US. I see Asian guys with hot 7-9 Latina or French gf all the time, but that's because these guys are dance god/martial artist master/political activist/art patron. There's this guy in my salsa group who dances so well, he got this smoking hot 8.5 french girl hovering over him but he's like "nah I got other girls to game". An acquaintance of mine bang white girls on a regular basis. He is short, but look sharp and his game is over kill. I think during 4 years in US I only saw one Asian dude with a white girl, and she wasn't even a 7.

The Asian guys here are much more diligent about getting out there and work their ass off to better themselves with women, so the Asian alpha males here is no rarity. So yeah depend on the demographic where the girls are accustomed to seeing Asian alphas you will get lots of love. Also French chicks are much more cultural and thus prefer exotic things. But overall the Asian male population here is not doing much better than in the US

[Clint Barton]

I AVOID all asian venues in LA and NYC. I do way better with asian girls, as an asian-american, when in a ethnically mixed environment. Not sure why that is. I need to think about that more. Any ideas?

[Don_]

(03-22-2014 06:59 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You make it sound like hot white girls are the holy grail of pussy. They're not all that.

No, but they're hard to get thus make them trophies.

[Clint Barton]

The average american white girl is not a trophy.

(03-23-2014 10:37 AM)Don_ Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:59 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You make it sound like hot white girls are the holy grail of pussy. They're not all that.

No, but they're hard to get thus make them trophies.

[Don_]

(03-23-2014 10:38 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

The average american white girl is not a trophy.

(03-23-2014 10:37 AM)Don_ Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:59 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You make it sound like hot white girls are the holy grail of pussy. They're not all that.

No, but they're hard to get thus make them trophies.

What make you assume that I view "average" white American women as trophies? This is such bias assumption.

[The Wire]

(03-02-2014 08:15 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 08:10 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

^^ Chicks go after confident & aspirational guys period.

Only if you have a chance to show them you are Alpha/Confident. But in a lot of cases you don't have the opportunity to put your personality/game out there. This is why non-white guys often complain about their lack of success on online dating websites and apps. If they don't have much to go on, they assume you're the average of what they've seen from your race.

To chime in, I was talking via email to a Asian girl yesterday on OKC and she actually had in her profile for Asian guys not to contact her. I think i've seen that before as well with Asian girls so Asian guys get screwed over from a ton of different angles.

[Brosemite]

(03-23-2014 09:24 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I AVOID all asian venues in LA and NYC. I do way better with asian girls, as an asian-american, when in a ethnically mixed environment. Not sure why that is. I need to think about that more. Any ideas?

Not familiar with the nightlife scene in LA, but I found this to be true in NYC at places like Third Floor in Midtown or Circle being the Korean club (least for me).

[Clint Barton]

Yup the game is different in those venues/circles. In NYC there are spots like Fat Buddha and Ugly Kitchen in east village, which do have a majority of Asians as patrons but still maintain diversity. These spots play hip hop.

My main wing and I used to do some damage there but grew out of it as our tastes changed and our quality standards went up.

(03-23-2014 01:03 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:24 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I AVOID all asian venues in LA and NYC. I do way better with asian girls, as an asian-american, when in a ethnically mixed environment. Not sure why that is. I need to think about that more. Any ideas?

Not familiar with the nightlife scene in LA, but I found this to be true in NYC at places like Third Floor in Midtown or Circle being the Korean club (least for me).

[Chewbacon]

(03-23-2014 01:11 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Yup the game is different in those venues/circles. In NYC there are spots like Fat Buddha and Ugly Kitchen in east village, which do have a majority of Asians as patrons but still maintain diversity. These spots play hip hop.

My main wing and I used to do some damage there but grew out of it as our tastes changed and our quality standards went up.

(03-23-2014 01:03 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:24 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I AVOID all asian venues in LA and NYC. I do way better with asian girls, as an asian-american, when in a ethnically mixed environment. Not sure why that is. I need to think about that more. Any ideas?

Not familiar with the nightlife scene in LA, but I found this to be true in NYC at places like Third Floor in Midtown or Circle being the Korean club (least for me).

Interesting. So the scene is tougher for Asian guys in the asian-only clubs? I remember going to a few of those Whisper/Circle type clubs and striking out pretty badly. Why is that the case?

My only conjecture is that a lot of these asian-dominant scenes are very in-crowd oriented. I remember everybody seemed to know everybody, and with asian clubbing in general, a lot of girls tend to come with a large party of their own.

[Clint Barton]

Yeah that was one of my thoughts too. Girls are rolling deep. So are the dudes for the most part. Big social cliques. I COULDN'T get into Circle the two times I tried solo, and I dressed well too. They let 4 dorky guys in behind me and it didn't seem like they had a bottle service or promoter connect.

Circle is catering primarily to one "type" of asian people and that's fine. They are trying to provide a "safe" social scene for the people who go there, and that means not including outsiders like me, even if I'm still asian. Not a big deal.

If you are asian-american and at an all asian spot, you can try running a some kind of familiar game (ie. Roosh / Christian McQueen / fill in the blank), and that would probably constitute "contrarian" game in that setting. It could go either way. You could stand out in a good way, or be totally blown out.

I'm not really into that scene anymore(did do more of the asian-am party scene in socal in the early 2000s), but its still interesting to think about and try to figure out.

(03-23-2014 02:53 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 01:11 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Yup the game is different in those venues/circles. In NYC there are spots like Fat Buddha and Ugly Kitchen in east village, which do have a majority of Asians as patrons but still maintain diversity. These spots play hip hop.

My main wing and I used to do some damage there but grew out of it as our tastes changed and our quality standards went up.

(03-23-2014 01:03 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:24 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I AVOID all asian venues in LA and NYC. I do way better with asian girls, as an asian-american, when in a ethnically mixed environment. Not sure why that is. I need to think about that more. Any ideas?

Not familiar with the nightlife scene in LA, but I found this to be true in NYC at places like Third Floor in Midtown or Circle being the Korean club (least for me).

Interesting. So the scene is tougher for Asian guys in the asian-only clubs? I remember going to a few of those Whisper/Circle type clubs and striking out pretty badly. Why is that the case?

My only conjecture is that a lot of these asian-dominant scenes are very in-crowd oriented. I remember everybody seemed to know everybody, and with asian clubbing in general, a lot of girls tend to come with a large party of their own.

[seaAltair]

(03-23-2014 09:24 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I AVOID all asian venues in LA and NYC. I do way better with asian girls, as an asian-american, when in a ethnically mixed environment. Not sure why that is. I need to think about that more. Any ideas?

supply and demand

there's an excess demand of "you", asian guys, when you're in asian venues. it lowers your perceived initial value

for example I get better reception gaming in white neighborhoods than I do in minority happy venues

[seaAltair]

asian girls are some of the worst targets to game for an inexperienced guy. They tend to have less body, so your sexual state will be weaker which lowers your motivation. Secondly and more importantly, their social skills aren't as great as other girls on average. This means you have to make up for her lack of it and work harder.

You need enough horsepower to get the car up the hill. Some girls can contribute more horsepower than others

[PoosyWrecker]

(03-22-2014 10:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

... I also make a conscious point of not hanging out with beta Asian guys, which has helped my game a lot.

Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another...."

(03-22-2014 10:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

...However the Asian guys here are much much more Alpha than in US. I see Asian guys with hot 7-9 Latina or French gf all the time, but that's because these guys are dance god/martial artist master/political activist/art patron.

Can you expand on the last three?

[Don_]

(03-23-2014 04:34 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

... I also make a conscious point of not hanging out with beta Asian guys, which has helped my game a lot.

Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another...."

(03-22-2014 10:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

...However the Asian guys here are much much more Alpha than in US. I see Asian guys with hot 7-9 Latina or French gf all the time, but that's because these guys are dance god/martial artist master/political activist/art patron.

Can you expand on the last three?

Same here. I'd love to hear more as well.

[Dalaran1991]

(03-23-2014 04:34 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

... I also make a conscious point of not hanging out with beta Asian guys, which has helped my game a lot.

Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another...."

(03-22-2014 10:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

...However the Asian guys here are much much more Alpha than in US. I see Asian guys with hot 7-9 Latina or French gf all the time, but that's because these guys are dance god/martial artist master/political activist/art patron.

Can you expand on the last three?

What I observe is that the Asian guys here in France take care to cultivate themselves to be as interesting and attractive as they could be.

Again, I don't want to generalize. But during my 4 years here in the US the Asian guys I meet are mostly nerds. All they do is playing computer game or studying. I do know one who is a sushi chef but he is beta as fuck. Another guy I know is so friendzoned with all the white girls he hangs out with, such that he knows their locker room secret. That's about it. No one stands out as really interesting or as the guy you would say "wow, he's interesting I wanna be with him!"

In France?

First month I arrive I met this guy who is a dentist. He is so funny and social he appears 22 even though he is 30. He is the attention center of the whole friend group (there were 13 of us at the resto). And he is France's champion in fencing. He also studies Classics. His girlfriend is a smoking hot blonde French who is also an expert fencer.

I already told you earlier about this guy in Salsa. Another night there was another Asian guy with a smoking hot Latina gf. She even asked him for permission to dance with other guys, and the guy was so chill like he wasn't even afraid of losing her. I swear, he looks as nerdy as your loser cousin, but when he dances it's like you are watching a show.

I met this other guy at a student activist group. He's the leader, involved in a lot of government's program, youth's movements in Paris. He knows all the important people in all the 14 universities here and can discuss Ukraine politics. A bit too macho in his world view, but the white girls in the group couldn't get their hands off him.

And here comes the worst... This Indian guy at my martial art club. You know those creepy lanky 6"6 tall dudes with a 28 inches waistline in the comedy movies? He got a smile that creeps the shit out of you. Better yet, he's 47 years old. But he is a god in the dojo. His confidence is sky-high and his skills border on the extraordinary. Kinda makes sense since he's been practicing since 12 years old. And he just has excellent social awareness. Can talk to anyone, laugh easily. Make people laugh.

His girl friend is the smoking hot 23 yr in our dojo... And before her he had always has a 20 something gf in the dojo. He kinda goes here mostly to game young girls. And he is excellent at it. The irony here is that I once had a oneitis for his gf. She told me that I'm much much better looking than him and ofc, younger, but the guy has a charm and confidence that you can't resist. Imagine that. A 45 yr, ugly looking Indian guy with smoking hot white girls. And he ain't rich. Just a normal teacher with a crappy car.

Now take a look at yourself and the other Asian guys you know and ask this "Does he has something extraordinary that makes me want to be with him?" ($ doesn't count ) Heck, that would be too demanding. Just "Is he at least interesting?" will rule out prolly 95% of your Asian guys.

Being in Paris gives me much better motivation to game and develop lifestyle. Back in US I was a nerd and a gamer. Now I'm a grad student, history enthusiast, bartender, martial artist and salsa dancer. Though I'm not excellent in any of those departments, I know that with hard work I will one day be. The best part? It gives you so much inner validation you don't give a shit about what most people say. The only thing missing is developing good game.

Oh and no, I do believe in the idea of brotherhood and helping other men get better but I gave up. I see it so often that I would call it an Asian disease. Most Asian men refuse to believe that you need game and get your shit together to attract women. I don't blame them bc that's the result of socialization and decades of brainwashing. They would much prefer settling than deserving a girl.

Sadly, I noticed that I made significant progress when I only hang out with white guys. The Asian players are actually very competitive here (makes sense), so we kinda avoid each other. Which means that Asian players in France are mostly lone wolves.

[Brodiaga]

(03-23-2014 03:24 PM)seaAltair Wrote:  

asian girls are some of the worst targets to game for an inexperienced guy. They tend to have less body, so your sexual state will be weaker which lowers your motivation. Secondly and more importantly, their social skills aren't as great as other girls on average. This means you have to make up for her lack of it and work harder.

You need enough horsepower to get the car up the hill. Some girls can contribute more horsepower than others

Are you saying that because you want to keep them to yourself? lol

[Clint Barton]

Great to hear different Asian and Asian-American viewpoints here. The disagreements and even heated discussion between us is actually a good thing, IMHO. It shows that this part of the community isn't just a homogenous group that all thinks the same way. That said, our individual game and lifestyle is something that is not discussed enough between us. Although game cuts across all color lines, there are some interesting differences and nuances when it comes to being an upcoming Asian playa. For the most part, game is game, but knowing these slight nuances can help optimize an Asian-American's success in the game.

I've met 6 or so members on the forum out here in NYC, and I've had a blast hanging with them. It would be cool to meet some of the Asian-American ones too. I heard there were some at the most recent NYC meetup, but I was outta town.

I'm a bit torn, too. There are only one or two asian guys in the NYC that I trust as wings. It sucks to say but I've found that ALOT of asian dudes have wack or no game here in NYC, even if they have great lifestyles. I'm not trying to diss or saying I'm the shit, but I see what I see when I'm out at the bars and clubs. Heck, in the venues I'm hitting up I'm not seeing a lot of Asian guys at all.

Oh yeah growing up, I always tripped that there was never an Asian-American male on the Real World. I did try out for one of the seasons haha. Although it is a silly, unreal, and shitty show, it would have been fun to represent on it.