[poly_72]

Find the nipple and twist with all your might then you slap the ear..
Works everytime..

[Giovonny]

That Royce Gracie video is awesome.

My older brother was a good wrestler and used to pin me to the ground all the time growing up.

Here are the best techniques I learned to get him off of me..

1) Take a bite out of his stomach. I don't mean literally take a bite of flesh off of his stomach but I came close a few times. He bounced up like a fish out of water.

2) What Beyond Borders said..

(02-22-2014 04:59 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Stick your finger in his asshole. In wrestling they called this "picking his corn,"

That's all I got.

[Roadrunner]

Delete

[Neo]

Listen to Rio or one of us who's actually trained. Anyone who hasn't been in the situation shouldn't comment.

The best answer, don't get there in the first place. If you did you already made a huge mistake.

If you do end up mounted as shown above, the two main escapes are an upa(bridge and roll) and the elbow escape. You can also combine these moves.

Against an untrained opponent you should be able to pull these off 100% of the time even if they have established position. Against someone who is trained it's more difficult.

Without practicing regularly chances are you'd be screwed.

[Tail Gunner]

(02-22-2014 12:28 AM)Tytalus Wrote:  

Serious, but hypothetical question:

A fat person has you pinned down on the ground- how do you escape?


The best I've been able to find is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_(grap...the_bottom

Any other insights from those who've actually been in fights?

You buck him off. But not straight up. To the side. Pretend that a quarter is sitting on on of your hips and that your object is to fling it over the shoulder on the opposite side of your body. You buck in that direction.

I have routinely thrown 300 pound guys off me with this method. This is not the best video, but it provides the general idea. Done the proper way you end up on top of him, but between his legs where he cannot buck you off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJzRM0DgW8

[Hannibal]

You guys ever watch the movie From Dusk til Dawn?

The answer is obvious.

[Parlay44]

(02-22-2014 01:20 AM)Tengen Wrote:  

Take the sommelier knife from my pocket and start stabbing

I always carry a pocket knife. Nothing too expensive in case I have to chuck it.
If some fat fuck put me in a position like that I have no problem cuttin a motherfucker. There are no rules in a street fight.

[Beyond Borders]

(02-23-2014 02:32 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

I have routinely thrown 300 pound guys off me with this method.

Whoah....hey now...

What exactly are you doing with 300 pound guys routinely on top of you?

[Wargasm]

See if you can get wrist control

[Tail Gunner]

(02-23-2014 06:47 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(02-23-2014 02:32 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

I have routinely thrown 300 pound guys off me with this method.

Whoah....hey now...

What exactly are you doing with 300 pound guys routinely on top of you?

The largest dude in my Krav Maga class. A few others guys were over 250 pounds. You would be surprised at how many big guys get jacked and want to learn how to defend themselves.

I vividly remember bucking the big guy off me once. The lead instructor happened to be walking by and gave me a big thumbs up.

The legs are the strongest part of the body. And although people usually don't think of it this way, the ass and hips are simply the uppermost extension of the legs. So, you have a very powerful weapon available to buck someone off (if the technique is done properly).

[Cincinnatus]

(02-22-2014 01:50 AM)Draugr Wrote:  

Death grips on anything loose can induce a lot of pain, if you have the finger strength.

Unfortunately, finger strength doesn't seem to get a lot of attention. I recommend guys get a Gripmaster or other finger/hand strengthener. I like to keep one in the car and use it while waiting at red lights. An older cat* I used to work with turned me onto them. We used to spar a lot for fun, but it always ended immediately after he'd grab a pressure point with a death-claw grip.

* I need to pay dude a visit and see how he's doing. He taught me a lot about life in my early 20's - managing money, dealing with women, getting in better shape, and where you can pinch a motherfucker hard enough to make him hit the ground almost immediately.

[Ingocnito]

(02-22-2014 12:48 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

You escape by not letting them secure their position, I.E. don't let them get set on top of you and hold you tight, and shrimping out. If you let them get on top of you and suck up all of that space you're fucked. It's significantly more difficult to escape once they are hugging tight to your body. Never let them get setup tight liket hat.

Truth is though, without a lot of hours grappling, it probably won't work for you. Reading a Wikipedia article or watching some YouTube videos isn't going to get it done.

Here are a couple good videos, but really you need to practice this shit a lot.

Rio's 2nd vid describes 95% of the escape methods we would use when I practiced Jitz with my buddies. One of them could routinely submit guys in the 225lb.+ range, at 185 lbs.

Nearly every time he got mounted he used some variation of what was shown in the 2nd vid.

[Tail Gunner]

[quote] (02-23-2014 11:46 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

[quote='RioNomad' pid='660397' dateline='1393048109']
You escape by not letting them secure their position, I.E. don't let them get set on top of you and hold you tight, and shrimping out. If you let them get on top of you and suck up all of that space you're fucked. It's significantly more difficult to escape once they are hugging tight to your body. Never let them get setup tight liket hat.

Truth is though, without a lot of hours grappling, it probably won't work for you. Reading a Wikipedia article or watching some YouTube videos isn't going to get it done.

Here are a couple good videos, but really you need to practice this shit a lot.

Rio's 2nd vid describes 95% of the escape methods we would use when I practiced Jitz with my buddies. One of them could routinely submit guys in the 225lb.+ range, at 185 lbs.

Nearly every time he got mounted he used some variation of what was shown in the 2nd vid.[/quote]

The OP asked a self-defense question, not how to win a competition. Having the knowledge to routinely submit someone is rather useless if the attacker's friends are kicking in your head or stabbing you -- while you are happily submitting the initial attacker.

The object of a street fight is not to fight, but to escape the situation with minimal risk of injury or death (unless you are a glutton for punishment). Therefore, the object is to get off the ground as quickly as possible and escape the situation.

BJJ is one of the finest martial arts styles in the world in for a fair one-on-one fight. But life is not always fair. Be prepared for the rest.

[WanderingSoul]

The ground could also be covered in AIDS needles and hot lava, which again makes BJJ useless.

Street fighting is tricky business.

[PoosyWrecker]

I think you misunderstood. Do you only train Krav or do you train in real martial arts?

[Hades]

I like Hannibal's idea of a dick gun. Never get mounted again.

[Scesci]

I agree with Rio and Tail Gunner, only engage with fatsos(or anyone in a street fight) if you have the upper hand, some of them can take a beating (one of the most useful things about being fat is having layers of mechanical impact shielding) and they can knock you cold easily if they manage to hit your face with a good positioned weighted punch.

Im no fighter, this is all my own experience

[Duke Castile]

Currently being held by the policia

[poutsara]

Throw a twinkie across the floor.

[dog24]

(02-24-2014 01:01 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

BJJ is one of the finest martial arts styles in the world in for a fair one-on-one fight. But life is not always fair. Be prepared for the rest.

Yep, i heard boxing is also overrated as fuck in street fights, after all who wants to be trading punches in a possibly fatal street fight (not to mention knife attacks), plus boxers cant really throw a punch without gloves just like bjj guys cant grapple outside of a mat, and lets be honest even against a pro-boxer all i really need is to land one good punch and its lights out for the guy, no boxing skills needed at all for that.

[Moma]

(02-24-2014 08:48 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 01:01 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

BJJ is one of the finest martial arts styles in the world in for a fair one-on-one fight. But life is not always fair. Be prepared for the rest.

Yep, i heard boxing is also overrated as fuck in street fights, after all who wants to be trading punches in a possibly fatal street fight (not to mention knife attacks), plus boxers cant really throw a punch without gloves just like bjj guys cant grapple outside of a mat, and lets be honest even against a pro-boxer all i really need is to land one good punch and its lights out for the guy, no boxing skills needed at all for that.

that made no sense. All you need is one good punch (or strike) for any situation and irrelevant of the training, it's lights out for whoever. But training prepares people for that 'one good punch'.

There is always someone who says that 'some BJJ guy' can't grapple outside of mat or rules..or boxers need gloves on to throw a punch..or thai kickboxers need shin guards blah blah...

[dog24]

   

[hoops330]

What should I expect to pay to train at a bjj gym?

[WanderingSoul]

Between $100 and $200 a month.

Do yourself a favor and find a gym that has takedown/wrestling classes, or trains them as a regular part of their curriculum. Don't go to a pure sport BJJ school if you can help it.

[Suits]

(02-22-2014 10:14 PM)Neo Wrote:  

The best answer, don't get there in the first place. If you did you already made a huge mistake.

Yes. If you are in this situation, you need to ask yourself: why did I agree to have sex with Lindy West in the first place?