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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

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Terry Burnham, former Harvard economics professor, author of “Mean Genes” and “Mean Markets and Lizard Brains,” provocative poster on this page and long-time critic of the Federal Reserve, argues that the Fed’s efforts to strengthen America’s banks have perversely weakened them. (See our 2005 segment with Burnham below about how “lizard brains” influence our economic decisions.)

Last week I had over $1,000,000 in a checking account at Bank of America. Next week, I will have $10,000.

Why am I getting in line to take my money out of Bank of America? Because of Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen, who officially begins her term as chairwoman on Feb. 1.

Before I explain, let me disclose that I have been a stopped clock of criticism of the Federal Reserve for half a decade. That’s because I believe that when the Fed intervenes in markets, it has two effects — both negative. First, it decreases overall wealth by distorting markets and causing bad investment decisions. Second, the members of the Fed become reverse Robin Hoods as they take from the poor (and unsophisticated) investors and give to the rich (and politically connected). These effects have been noticed; a Gallup poll taken in the last few days reports that only the richest Americans support the Fed.

Why do I risk starting a run on Bank of America by withdrawing my money and presuming that many fellow depositors will read this and rush to withdraw too? Because they pay me zero interest. Thus, even an infinitesimal chance Bank of America will not repay me in full, whenever I ask, switches the cost-benefit conclusion from stay to flee.

Let me explain: Currently, I receive zero dollars in interest on my $1,000,000. The reason I had the money in Bank of America was to keep it safe. However, the potential cost to keeping my money in Bank of America is that the bank may be unwilling or unable to return my money.

They will not be able to return my money if:
Customers wait in line at the Indymac Bank branch headquarters in Pasadena, Calif., in July 2008. Joshua Lott/Bloomberg News


Many other depositors like you get in line before me. Banks today promise everyone that they can have their money back instantaneously, but the bank does not actually have enough money to pay everyone at once because they have lent most of it out to other people — 90 percent or more. Thus, banks are always at risk for runs where the depositors at the front of the line get their money back, but the depositors at the back of the line do not. Consider this image from a fully insured U.S. bank, IndyMac in California, just five years ago.

Some of the investments of Bank of America go bust. Because Bank of America has loaned out the vast majority of depositors’ money, if even a small percentage of its loans go bust, the firm is at risk for bankruptcy. Leverage, combined with some bad investments, caused the failure of Lehman Brothers in 2008 and would have caused the failure of Bank of America, AIG, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, and many more institutions in 2008 had the government not bailed them out.

In recent days, the chances for trouble at Bank of America have become more salient because of woes in the emerging markets, particularly Argentina, Turkey, Russia and China. The emerging market fears caused the Dow Jones Industrial Average to lose more than 500 points over the last week.

Returning to my money now entrusted to Bank of America, market turmoil reminded me that this particular trustee is simply not safe. Or not safe enough, given the fact that safety is the reason I put the money there at all. The market turmoil could threaten “BofA” with bankruptcy today as it did in 2008, and as banks have experienced again and again over time.

If the chance that Bank of America will not return my money is, say, a mere 1 percent, then the expected cost to me is 1 percent of my million, or $10,000. That far exceeds the interest I receive, which, I hardly need remind depositors out there, is a cool $0. Even a 0.1 percent chance of loss has an expected cost to me of $1,000. Bank of America pays me the zero interest rate because the Federal Reserve has set interest rates to zero. Thus my incentive to leave at the first whiff of instability.

Surely, you say, the federal government is going to keep its promises, at least on insured deposits. Yes, the Federal Government (via the FDIC) insures deposits in most institutions up to $250,000. But there is a problem with this insurance. The FDIC currently has far less money in its fund than it has insured deposits: as of Sept. 1, about $41 billion in reserve against $6 trillion in insured deposits. (There are over $9 trillion on deposit at U.S. banks, by the way, so more than $3 trillion in deposits is completely uninsured.)

It’s true, of course, that when the FDIC fund risks running dry, as it did in 2009, it can go back to other parts of the federal government for help. I expect those other parts will make the utmost efforts to oblige. But consider the possibility that they may be in crisis at the very same time, for the very same reasons, or that it might take some time to get approval. Remember that Congress voted against the TARP bailout in 2008 before it relented and finally voted for the bailout.

Thus, even insured depositors risk loss and/or delay in recovering their funds. In most time periods, these risks are balanced against the reward of getting interest. Not so long ago, Bank of America would have paid me $1,000 a week in interest on my million dollars. If I were getting $1,000 a week, I might bear the risks of delay and default. However, today I am receiving $0.

So my cash is leaving Bank of America.

But if Bank of America is not safe, you must be wondering, where can you and I put our money? No path is without risk, but here are a few options.

Keep some cash at home, though admittedly this runs the risk of loss or setting yourself up as a target for criminals.

Put some cash in a safety box. There is an urban myth that this is illegal; my understanding is that cash in a safety box is legal. However, I can imagine scenarios where capital controls are placed on safety deposit box withdrawals. And suppose the bank is shut down and you can’t get to the box?

Pay your debts. You don’t need to be Suze Orman to know that you need liquidity, so do not use all your cash to pay debts. However, you can use some surplus, should you have any.

Prepay your taxes and some other obligations. Subject to the same caveat about liquidity, pay ahead. Make sure you only pay safe entities. Your local government is not going away, even in a depression, so, for example, you can prepay property taxes. (I would check with a tax accountant on the implications, however.)

Find a safer bank. Some local, smaller banks are much safer than the “too-big-to-fail banks.” After its mistake of letting Lehman fail, the government has learned that it must try to save giant institutions. However, the government may not be able to save all failing institutions immediately and simultaneously in a crisis. Thus, depositors in big banks face delays and defaults in the event of a true crisis. (It is important to find the right small bank; I believe all big banks are fragile, while some small banks are robust.)

Someone should start a bank (or maybe someone has) that charges (rather than pays) interest and does not make loans. Such a bank would be a good example of how Fed actions create unintended outcomes that defeat their goals. The Fed wants to stimulate lending, but an anti-lending bank could be quite successful. I would be a customer.

(Interestingly, there was a famous anti-lending bank and it was also a “BofA” — the Bank of Amsterdam, founded in 1609. The Dutch BofA charged customers for safe-keeping, did not make loans and did not allow depositors to get their money out immediately. Adam Smith discusses this BofA favorably in his “Wealth of Nations,” published in 1776. Unfortunately — and unbeknownst to Smith — the Bank of Amsterdam had starting secretly making risky loans to ventures in the East Indies and other areas, just like any other bank. When these risky ventures failed, so did the BofA.)

My point is that the Federal Reserve’s actions have myriad, unanticipated, negative consequences. Over the last week, we saw the impact on the emerging markets. The Fed had created $3 trillion of new money in the last five-plus years — three times more than in its entire prior history. A big chunk of that $3 trillion found its way, via private investors and institutions, into risky, emerging markets.

Now that the Fed is reducing (“tapering”) its new money creation (now down to $65 billion a month, or $780 billion a year, as of Wednesday’s announcement), investments are flowing out of risky areas. Some of these countries are facing absolute crises, with Argentina’s currency plummeting by more than 20 percent in under one month. That means investments in Argentina are worth 20 percent less in dollar terms than they were a month ago, even if they held their price in Pesos.

The Fed did not plan to impoverish investors by inducing them to buy overpriced Argentinian investments, of course, but that is one of the costly consequences of its actions. If you lost money in emerging markets over the last week, at one level, it is your responsibility. However, it is not crazy for you to blame the Fed for creating volatile prices that made investing more difficult.

Similarly, if you bought gold at the peak of almost $2,000 per ounce, you have lost one-third of your money; you share the blame for your golden losses with Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen. They removed the opportunities for safe investments and forced those with liquid assets to scramble for what safety they thought they could find. Furthermore, the uncertainty caused by the Fed has caused many assets to swing wildly in value, creating winners and losers.

The Fed played a role in the recent emerging markets turmoil. Next week, they will cause another crisis somewhere else. Eventually, the absurd effort to create wealth through monetary policy will unravel in the U.S. as it has every other time it has been tried from Weimar Germany to Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.

Even after the Fed created the housing problems, we would have been better of with a small 2009 depression rather than the larger depression that lies ahead. See my Making Sen$e posts “The Stockholm Syndrome and Printing Money” and “Ben Bernanke as Easter Bunny: Why the Fed Can’t Prevent the Coming Crash” for the details of my argument.

Ever since Alan Greenspan intervened to save the stock market on Oct. 20, 1987, the Fed has sought to cushion every financial blow by adding liquidity. The trouble with trying to make the world safe for stupidity is that it creates fragility.

Bank of America and other big banks are fragile — and vulnerable to bank runs — because the Fed has set interest rates to zero. If a run gathers momentum, the government will take steps to stem it. But I am convinced they have limited ammunition and unlimited problems.

What is the solution? For you, save yourself and your family. For the system, revamp the Federal Reserve. The simplest first step would be to end the dual mandate of price stability and full employment. Price stability is enough. I favor rules over intervention. We don’t need a maestro conducting monetary policy; we need a system that promotes stability and allows people (not printing presses) to make us richer.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense...draws-his/

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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

I just sent this article to my parents.

Wald
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

You know I always thought I was kinda paranoid wanting to put my money in my matress, but looks my paranoia was in the right[Image: idea.gif]

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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Quote: (02-06-2014 06:38 PM)vinman Wrote:  

Even after the Fed created the housing problems….

How did the Fed create the housing problem?

From my recollection it had more to do with Gov guaranteeing "bad" mortgages that where then securitized and sold to investors and other banks as well. What was the Fed's role in all that again? Lowering and Raising interest rates? That's like blaming the weatherman a hurricane occurred.

Though the securitized value of these instruments plummeting was a big deal, it paled in comparison to the CDS's that were written against them. That's were the big problem is. Banks counting the CDO's AND CDS's as ASSETS on their balance sheet.

Now the FED has been stuck buying all that worthless garbage for the past 5 years so yeah, the balance sheet of the FED is a bit sketchy from "cleansing" the banks from their would be losses while sticking the taxpayers with the bill.

I'd rather keep my money with a big bank, because they REALLY ARE too big to fail and it's not going to change.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with diversifying for Armageddon with Silver, Gold, Guns, Seed, and Ammo.
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Quote: (02-06-2014 07:09 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Quote: (02-06-2014 06:38 PM)vinman Wrote:  

Even after the Fed created the housing problems….

How did the Fed create the housing problem?

From my recollection it had more to do with Gov guaranteeing "bad" mortgages that where then securitized and sold to investors and other banks as well. What was the Fed's role in all that again? Lowering and Raising interest rates? That's like blaming the weatherman a hurricane occurred.

Though the securitized value of these instruments plummeting was a big deal, it paled in comparison to the CDS's that were written against them. That's were the big problem is. Banks counting the CDO's AND CDS's as ASSETS on their balance sheet.

Now the FED has been stuck buying all that worthless garbage for the past 5 years so yeah, the balance sheet of the FED is a bit sketchy from "cleansing" the banks from their would be losses while sticking the taxpayers with the bill.

I'd rather keep my money with a big bank, because they REALLY ARE too big to fail and it's not going to change.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with diversifying for Armageddon with Silver, Gold, Guns, Seed, and Ammo.

By lowering the interests rates.
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The case against the Fed is straightforward: In an attempt to jumpstart the economy out of recession, Greenspan slashed the federal funds target from 6.5% in January 2001 down to a ridiculous 1% by June 2003. After holding rates at 1% for a year, the Fed then steadily ratcheted them back up to 5.25% by June 2006. The connection between these moves by the central bank, versus the pumping up and popping of the housing bubble, seemed to be more than just a coincidence. On the contrary, it looked like a classic example of the Misesian theory of the business cycle, in which artificially low interest rates lead to malinvestments, which then require a recession to correct.

http://mises.org/daily/2936

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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

No shock here. I've been preaching this since Day 1.

Ironically, was just at one of my banks and withdrew a couple stacks. The teller about had a conniption fit about it.

Really bitch? It's my mutherfucking money.

I called the manager over and with a smirk detailed how the teller's apparent anger issues were not a source of amusement for a good customer. He quickly apologized for her actions and got my money.

Then to be a real dick I made her count it out in 20's.

Can't even imagine their reaction pulling a million out haha.
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Quote: (02-06-2014 07:26 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

No shock here. I've been preaching this since Day 1.

Ironically, was just at one of my banks and withdrew a couple stacks. The teller about had a conniption fit about it.

Really bitch? It's my mutherfucking money.

I called the manager over and with a smirk detailed how the teller's apparent anger issues were not a source of amusement for a good customer. He quickly apologized for her actions and got my money.

Then to be a real dick I made her count it out in 20's.

Can't even imagine their reaction pulling a million out haha.

I like your style.

Wald
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Quote: (02-06-2014 07:26 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Ironically, was just at one of my banks and withdrew a couple stacks. The teller about had a conniption fit about it.

Really bitch? It's my mutherfucking money.

It is important to remember that when you deposit money in a bank you become an unsecured creditor of the bank--lowest priority in a bankruptcy.

FDIC insurance can be unilaterally changed and or amended anytime the government wants.

I only keep just enough money to cover operating expenses in a bank.

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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Why would you have a million dollars in a checking account?
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Quote: (02-06-2014 09:00 PM)j r Wrote:  

Why would you have a million dollars in a checking account?

Impress vagina with your ATM receipts.

http://salesreceiptstore.com/novelty_ATM_receipts.html

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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Why would anybody listen to an economics 'expert' who had 1 million sitting around in a checking account earning zero interest for any appreciable period of time?
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

This is another great thread to monitor to see who has their head on their shoulders and who lives on mars.

I'll sit back and let this one run and take notes though.

His shit wasn't even FDIC insured at the $1M level in the first place so ya I woulda been out like a pitcher eons before it hit a stick.

I can't even bother to comment on the whole article since I am supposedly a fool when it comes to economics according to "high value" posters on the forum... I'll be sure to take notes from my keyboard [Image: smile.gif]

For a forum full of guys with high social skills it is amazing to see how many guys can't tell what type of person they are talking to based on word choice. I'm taking notes vigorously.

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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Quote: (02-06-2014 09:09 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Why would anybody listen to an economics 'expert' who had 1 million sitting around in a checking account earning zero interest for any appreciable period of time?

This.

The guy clearly has issues.
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Why would anyone have that much sitting in a checking account to start with? Get some fucking assets with that money.
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

A more interesting article by this same professor would be how exactly, and over what period, he accumulated his hoard.
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

Quote: (02-06-2014 09:51 PM)Menace Wrote:  

A more interesting article by this same professor would be how exactly, and over what period, he accumulated his hoard.

Book deals.

This is a perfect situation for Adam Carolla's 'Stupid or Liar' game.

He's pretty young. Here's his bio:
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Biography
Terry Burnham is an economist who studies the biological and evolutionary basis of human behavior. He has a Ph.D. in Business Economics from Harvard University, a Masters from the MIT Sloan School with a concentration in finance. HIs undergraduate degree is in biophysics from the University of Michigan. Prior to Chapman, Terry was a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School, the University of Michigan, and the Harvard Business School. His non-academic experiences include working briefly for Goldman, Sachs & Co., being the chief financial officer for Progenics Pharmaceuticals , a start-up biotechnology company, and being the director of portfolio management for Acadian Asset Management, a quantitative equity manager.

My guess is he's lying. He clearly has a background in finance. Muni's in CA are going for 5%. No way he's going to leave 50k/year relatively tax free on the table. If he even had a million in the bank it was only there for a few days so he could sell more books.

http://www.chapman.edu/our-faculty/terence-burnham
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

I work in finance and I know a lot of guys who leave a lot of money in their checking account because if you put in the market you are taking on double the risk. Your salary and bonus depends on the market, so having a large safety net is critical to them.

2nd he may have a portfolio of 5 or 10 million in the market and keeps a million dollars in a bank just because he can.
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Quote: (02-06-2014 09:09 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Why would anybody listen to an economics 'expert' who had 1 million sitting around in a checking account earning zero interest for any appreciable period of time?

Yeah this guy loses all credibility when he says his million was sitting in a checking account earning 0% interest. He's got a PhD in economics, so he's either lying or he's an idiot.

Since FDIC insures only $250k, why isn't he splitting $1m into $250k chunks across 4 different banks, or better yet, $100k chunks across 10 different banks?

Why isn't he going to bankrate.com or some other site to find the banks offering better rates? I just checked and Capital One 360 is paying 0.85% on checking accounts $100k or more.
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I'm on the side of a publicity stunt to sell more books. If he were really concerned he wouldn't be going around telling everybody that he is burying gold in his back yard.
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Is your money safe at the bank? An economist says ‘no’ and withdraws his

There are many problems with banks and the federal reserve, but I don't think this is one of them. Surely sitting at the zero interest rate has other benefits (such as preventing the massive collapse of big banks?) compared to this sort of exposure to liabilities.

His argument makes sense for him. But for the system as whole? I don't think so.

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