[spentcasings]

Re. Prince Charles; from what I understand of it, Camilla was the love of his life when he was a younger man (early 1970s), but he was discouraged from marrying her because the word from on high was that she wasn't considered an ideal marital candidate for the young prince. He dithered and couldn't decide, so she married someone else. Years later, he was in his 30s and Diana was pushed at him as an ideal candidate, pretty, young and virginal, but the marriage was a disaster, for any number of reasons the tabloids suggested: she was too immature for the position of princess; he was still attached to Camilla (who by this time had divorced); they were too dissimilar. But with Camilla in his old age, he has a companion, a woman who has known and understood him for years. He didn't need her for childbearing purposes, both of them already having had their families.

Now here is something amusing; didn't she once play with him the ultimate girl game in pursuit of an alpha? She said something to the effect, that her great grandmother was his grandfather's mistress, do you feel like going for it?

[Blackmagic]

Sitting here watching the Rangers-Devils game and I'll never forget the first time my buddy and I googled "Henrik Lundqvist's wife." I couldn't get over how average (a 6) she was.

For those that don't follow hockey, Henrik Lundqvist is the goalie for the New York Rangers and one of the better players at his position in the last 25 years. Anyway, the dude is the face of Swedish hockey, has model good looks plus 8 or 9 figures in the bank. When you think of all of the tall slender blondes he could have as an elite athlete in Sweden, I always wondered why he settled with a woman 3 pts below him.

Apparently, I'm an idiot with the pictures, but go ahead and google them.

[iknowexactly]

(01-25-2014 10:52 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  

I think it is often that 8's and 9's are often quite psychologically damaged from being that good looking..... will mean that this is a person often detached from the "real world"
.........women only have 10-15 years of authentic beauty in them anyway,

Really good point, if guys are really into the pump and dump lifestyle you're essentially fucking a sex doll anyway so it makes sense to focus totally on looks.

If you're going to be around them for even a few months to a year, do you really want arm candy that is vacuous and when you're sitting there in your apartment all she's interested in is attention whoring on FB?

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

[pheonix500000]

(01-26-2014 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 10:52 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  

I think it is often that 8's and 9's are often quite psychologically damaged from being that good looking..... will mean that this is a person often detached from the "real world"
.........women only have 10-15 years of authentic beauty in them anyway,

Really good point, if guys are really into the pump and dump lifestyle you're essentially fucking a sex doll anyway so it makes sense to focus totally on looks.

If you're going to be around them for even a few months to a year, do you really want arm candy that is vacuous and when you're sitting there in your apartment all she's interested in is attention whoring on FB?

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

Dude i hate to break it to you but they all have that tendency, why do you think even ugly broads act like cunts? That's why game is important. You are going to the Philippines so obviously the girls would be more feminine so don't write off any until you've interacted with them in person.

[Nemausus]

(01-26-2014 04:12 PM)Blackmagic Wrote:  

Sitting here watching the Rangers-Devils game and I'll never forget the first time my buddy and I googled "Henrik Lundqvist's wife." I couldn't get over how average (a 6) she was.

For those that don't follow hockey, Henrik Lundqvist is the goalie for the New York Rangers and one of the better players at his position in the last 25 years. Anyway, the dude is the face of Swedish hockey, has model good looks plus 8 or 9 figures in the bank. When you think of all of the tall slender blondes he could have as an elite athlete in Sweden, I always wondered why he settled with a woman 3 pts below him.

Apparently, I'm an idiot with the pictures, but go ahead and google them.

Didn't realize Lundqvist was married. I figured he was living the Jeter lifestyle in Manhattan. He definitely could pull it off.

A trend I've noticed, among Scandinavian hockey players that come to the NHL is that they tend to get married very young. Most of them are married in their early 20s.

His wife isn't as hot as what he could be smashing given his status in NYC, but she's not a disaster either, imo:





Thinking about it some more, if you're a european pro-athlete plying your trade in North America, would you rather start a family with a european woman who's a 7 or a toxic american gold digging 9?

[fortysix]

[JohnKreese]

(01-26-2014 12:17 PM)Dusty Wrote:  



What, you were expecting a 10?

Makes me think of Jeff and Suzie

[The Lizard of Oz]

@JohnKreese, you seem to have a knack for calling some less than obvious facial analogs -- first John Rocker for that date lab dude a while ago, and now an even more complex couple analog. I'm impressed.

It's always good to see Jeff's mug, too. What a brilliant show that is.

[CaliforniaSupreme]

Chris Christie had that shit coming.

[iknowexactly]

(01-26-2014 04:21 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

Dude i hate to break it to you but they all have that tendency, why do you think even ugly broads act like cunts? That's why game is important. You are going to the Philippines so obviously the girls would be more feminine so don't write off any until you've interacted with them in person.

Lol, sounds ike you're saying "Don't write off even the hot chicks in the Phils because they might not be any more cunty than 6-7s.."

Well, OK I agree I'll give those smoking hot chicks a chance now, if you insist.

[JohnKreese]

(01-26-2014 06:24 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

@JohnKreese, you seem to have a knack for calling some less than obvious facial analogs -- first John Rocker for that date lab dude a while ago, and now an even more complex couple analog. I'm impressed.

It's always good to see Jeff's mug, too. What a brilliant show that is.

And I agree about Curb. I bet Christie's wife gives it to him as bad as Suzie gives it to Jeff.

[Dusty]

(01-26-2014 03:39 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

In b4 Michelle Obama hate.

Since you mentioned it...

[AnonymousBosch]

(01-26-2014 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

This will probably be a controversial statement, but I've never found 'beautiful' women, (8 and up), hugely-bitchy, even when I wasn't particularly high-value in my teens and twenties. Maybe because I was exposed to the beautiful cliques my sister walked in. Maybe I've just been damn lucky. From my experience, (and this presuming a solid upbringing where they've suffered no major psychological damage) with the usual understanding of NAWALT:

The natural 8-9's - meaning they have always existed as 'beautiful', are the most consistently-pleasant women I've ever met. They're aware of the power of their beauty, and usually have both personal goals and expectations of success for both them and their partner, which I consider healthy. They're fun to be around, don't act masculine, and aren't carrying chips on their shoulders. The trick is to approach them without being intimidated, absolutely sure that you belong there.

Then there's the 'late blooming 8's'. They might have been fat as children, or developed late, or mastered personal grooming and style. This is where bitchiness starts creeping in. It's their insecurity about the change that has happened. Maybe they're frightened they'll slip back. They sometimes need to remind you and others they're beautiful, so the attitude starts.

The 6-7.5 range is the danger zone. They delude themselves they're hotter than they are; so their expectations are higher and more unrealistic; and their insecurity means they're likely to publicly-humiliate any sub-standard guy who approaches or any girl who pisses them off to feel better about themselves. They're far sluttier, as sex with 'hot' guys flatters their self-image and makes them believe they're more beautiful than they are.

Why are they so unrealistically-bitchy, where the 9's aren't? I suspect it's performance. They want to believe they're a hot girl, but due to their lower sexual value, they've always been excluded from 'beautiful cliques' so their idea of how hot girls act comes from, you guessed it, fantasy depictions from television and movies, where hot girls are always mean bitches, (unless it's a movie where the nerd wins the heart of one to the disgust of her mean bitch clique).

Cougars, ratchets and single mothers cling to this fantasy the hardest, and are the vilest bitches you'll ever meet. The less 'all that' she is, the nastier she'll act to reinforce her belief that she is.

Obviously, the Feminist Threshold (5 down) is where bitchiness turns into constant combativeness against the entire world.

Just my experience. Is it a cultural thing? My country isn't known for high standards of female beauty.

[CRR]

(01-26-2014 10:44 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

This will probably be a controversial statement, but I've never found 'beautiful' women, (8 and up), hugely-bitchy, even when I wasn't particularly high-value in my teens and twenties. Maybe because I was exposed to the beautiful cliques my sister walked in. Maybe I've just been damn lucky. From my experience, (and this presuming a solid upbringing where they've suffered no major psychological damage) with the usual understanding of NAWALT:

The natural 8-9's - meaning they have always existed as 'beautiful', are the most consistently-pleasant women I've ever met. They're aware of the power of their beauty, and usually have both personal goals and expectations of success for both them and their partner, which I consider healthy. They're fun to be around, don't act masculine, and aren't carrying chips on their shoulders. The trick is to approach them without being intimidated, absolutely sure that you belong there.

Then there's the 'late blooming 8's'. They might have been fat as children, or developed late, or mastered personal grooming and style. This is where bitchiness starts creeping in. It's their insecurity about the change that has happened. Maybe they're frightened they'll slip back. They sometimes need to remind you and others they're beautiful, so the attitude starts.

The 6-7.5 range is the danger zone. They delude themselves they're hotter than they are; so their expectations are higher and more unrealistic; and their insecurity means they're likely to publicly-humiliate any sub-standard guy who approaches or any girl who pisses them off to feel better about themselves. They're far sluttier, as sex with 'hot' guys flatters their self-image and makes them believe they're more beautiful than they are.

Why are they so unrealistically-bitchy, where the 9's aren't? I suspect it's performance. They want to believe they're a hot girl, but due to their lower sexual value, they've always been excluded from 'beautiful cliques' so their idea of how hot girls act comes from, you guessed it, fantasy depictions from television and movies, where hot girls are always mean bitches, (unless it's a movie where the nerd wins the heart of one to the disgust of her mean bitch clique).

Cougars, ratchets and single mothers cling to this fantasy the hardest, and are the vilest bitches you'll ever meet. The less 'all that' she is, the nastier she'll act to reinforce her belief that she is.

Obviously, the Feminist Threshold (5 down) is where bitchiness turns into constant combativeness against the entire world.

Just my experience. Is it a cultural thing? My country isn't known for high standards of female beauty.

I have been saying this for a while IRL, but never so well put.

My most recent gf was a solid 9-9.5. I think the main reason we clicked was that 1) she was very pleasant 2) she liked that I didn't act intimidated when I first met her nor bend to her will.

I have a friend who's gf has a gaggle of friends who are 6-7s who are entirely bitchy. They are nice to me, but have serious attitude and expect guys to suck up to them. His gf tried to set me up with one, I politely declined. Her attitude was such a turnoff. Naturally this girl gives me even more attitude.

Anyway, I think your theory has a lot of merit and is very well stated.

[TheKantian]

Pierce Brosnan's wife isn't ugly, she's just fat.

[Sawyer]

(01-26-2014 10:44 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

This will probably be a controversial statement, but I've never found 'beautiful' women, (8 and up), hugely-bitchy, even when I wasn't particularly high-value in my teens and twenties. Maybe because I was exposed to the beautiful cliques my sister walked in. Maybe I've just been damn lucky. From my experience, (and this presuming a solid upbringing where they've suffered no major psychological damage) with the usual understanding of NAWALT:

The natural 8-9's - meaning they have always existed as 'beautiful', are the most consistently-pleasant women I've ever met. They're aware of the power of their beauty, and usually have both personal goals and expectations of success for both them and their partner, which I consider healthy. They're fun to be around, don't act masculine, and aren't carrying chips on their shoulders. The trick is to approach them without being intimidated, absolutely sure that you belong there.

Then there's the 'late blooming 8's'. They might have been fat as children, or developed late, or mastered personal grooming and style. This is where bitchiness starts creeping in. It's their insecurity about the change that has happened. Maybe they're frightened they'll slip back. They sometimes need to remind you and others they're beautiful, so the attitude starts.

The 6-7.5 range is the danger zone. They delude themselves they're hotter than they are; so their expectations are higher and more unrealistic; and their insecurity means they're likely to publicly-humiliate any sub-standard guy who approaches or any girl who pisses them off to feel better about themselves. They're far sluttier, as sex with 'hot' guys flatters their self-image and makes them believe they're more beautiful than they are.

Why are they so unrealistically-bitchy, where the 9's aren't? I suspect it's performance. They want to believe they're a hot girl, but due to their lower sexual value, they've always been excluded from 'beautiful cliques' so their idea of how hot girls act comes from, you guessed it, fantasy depictions from television and movies, where hot girls are always mean bitches, (unless it's a movie where the nerd wins the heart of one to the disgust of her mean bitch clique).

Cougars, ratchets and single mothers cling to this fantasy the hardest, and are the vilest bitches you'll ever meet. The less 'all that' she is, the nastier she'll act to reinforce her belief that she is.

Obviously, the Feminist Threshold (5 down) is where bitchiness turns into constant combativeness against the entire world.

Just my experience. Is it a cultural thing? My country isn't known for high standards of female beauty.

Agree and a +1 rep point for this. I've never been mistreated by a gorgeous woman. It has always been my own inner game and insecurities that failed me. But the 6s and 7s I thought I deserved never hesitated to sink the knife in.

My experience is the 9s and 10s always give you a chance. The lessers are always looking for some never-to-be-realized ideal and will shiv you first second they get.

Without the inner game, it's easy to think the beauties aren't giving you a shot, but they are.

[Nonpareil]

(01-26-2014 10:44 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

This will probably be a controversial statement, but I've never found 'beautiful' women, (8 and up), hugely-bitchy, even when I wasn't particularly high-value in my teens and twenties. Maybe because I was exposed to the beautiful cliques my sister walked in. Maybe I've just been damn lucky. From my experience, (and this presuming a solid upbringing where they've suffered no major psychological damage) with the usual understanding of NAWALT:

The natural 8-9's - meaning they have always existed as 'beautiful', are the most consistently-pleasant women I've ever met. They're aware of the power of their beauty, and usually have both personal goals and expectations of success for both them and their partner, which I consider healthy. They're fun to be around, don't act masculine, and aren't carrying chips on their shoulders. The trick is to approach them without being intimidated, absolutely sure that you belong there.

Then there's the 'late blooming 8's'. They might have been fat as children, or developed late, or mastered personal grooming and style. This is where bitchiness starts creeping in. It's their insecurity about the change that has happened. Maybe they're frightened they'll slip back. They sometimes need to remind you and others they're beautiful, so the attitude starts.

The 6-7.5 range is the danger zone. They delude themselves they're hotter than they are; so their expectations are higher and more unrealistic; and their insecurity means they're likely to publicly-humiliate any sub-standard guy who approaches or any girl who pisses them off to feel better about themselves. They're far sluttier, as sex with 'hot' guys flatters their self-image and makes them believe they're more beautiful than they are.

Why are they so unrealistically-bitchy, where the 9's aren't? I suspect it's performance. They want to believe they're a hot girl, but due to their lower sexual value, they've always been excluded from 'beautiful cliques' so their idea of how hot girls act comes from, you guessed it, fantasy depictions from television and movies, where hot girls are always mean bitches, (unless it's a movie where the nerd wins the heart of one to the disgust of her mean bitch clique).

Cougars, ratchets and single mothers cling to this fantasy the hardest, and are the vilest bitches you'll ever meet. The less 'all that' she is, the nastier she'll act to reinforce her belief that she is.

Obviously, the Feminist Threshold (5 down) is where bitchiness turns into constant combativeness against the entire world.

Just my experience. Is it a cultural thing? My country isn't known for high standards of female beauty.

I have never met a girl who you could describe as 'beautiful' (8 and above) that was consistently bitchy; sure, they have their moments (in fairness, they all have their moments), but overall, more than a few times I've definitely found myself pleasantly surprised by how 'nice' an attractive girl was.

The reasons for this I don't fully grasp, but I suspect it combines a few factors. Pretty girls tend to have easy lives; they get favors just for how they look - people will be super nice to them because of how they look. Less-attractive girls are also the most likely to buy into Feminism. You know why there aren't any hot Feminists? Because hot girls already get enough shit from men; Feminism is the end of the gravy train for them.

I did a daytime approach a few weeks on a legitimate stunner (brunette, blue eyes, perfect teeth, wicked ass - on my metric she was a 9 easily) and we spoke for 5 minutes. Sure, she blew me off...but I couldn't help but smile because the entire exchange, up to and including the blow off, was so damn pleasant. Once you get that mentality out of your head, if anything, the more beautiful girls are easier to approach (notice I didn't say 'easier to bang' - the higher up you get, the more options you need to stand out from).

The most crushing rejections? Slightly-above average 7's.

The girls that have 'always' been beautiful, while sometimes a 'queen bee' mentality can seep through, provided they had a good childhood, are almost always pleasant. Late bloomers are a mixed bag; either wildly insecure to the point of hostility or some of the most interesting, well-rounded girls out there (they worked on areas other than their looks growing up - an ex-LTR of mine was like this...but also very insecure).

And yes, 90% of the time if a girl's unpleasant, she's ugly or fat.

[Bacchus]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson is another example of this. He's known for playing the lead in the movie Kick-Ass, so he's famous enough to stay in young pussy for the foreseeable future. He's not on the A-list, but there's no excuse for the terrible decision he's made.

He's married to a director who is twice his age with two kids from a previous marriage. He even changed his name to include his a part of his wife's last name (he used to be Aaron Johnson). He had two kids with this woman before getting married.

Here's the happy couple:



She's not as ugly as some of the other wives. Maybe even a wall survivor. But she's done, 46 to his 23. And he's married to her.

[Dusty]

(01-26-2014 11:36 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

But she's done, 46 to his 23. And he's married to her.

[Hotwheels]

(01-26-2014 11:36 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

Aaron Taylor-Johnson is another example of this. He's known for playing the lead in the movie Kick-Ass, so he's famous enough to stay in young pussy for the foreseeable future. He's not on the A-list, but there's no excuse for the terrible decision he's made.

He's married to a director who is twice his age with two kids from a previous marriage. He even changed his name to include his a part of his wife's last name (he used to be Aaron Johnson). He had two kids with this woman before getting married.

Here's the happy couple:



She's not as ugly as some of the other wives. Maybe even a wall survivor. But she's done, 46 to his 23. And he's married to her.

[iknowexactly]

(01-26-2014 11:27 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

[quote] (01-26-2014 10:44 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

This will probably be a controversial statement, but I've never found 'beautiful' women, (8 and up), hugely-bitchy,...
...
The 6-7.5 range is the danger zone. They delude themselves they're hotter than they are; so their expectations are higher and more unrealistic

I have to qualify my original statement, because you are absolutely right from my experience in the 1st world. American beauties aren't bitchy if I talk to them, when I dontt hey just ignore me hard so I know they don't really WANT me to talk to them. That's their right, and isn't being bitchy.

I'm thinking about Asian women right now, where 6-7s get ignored so fully they start to get in line.

[Dusty]

(01-26-2014 11:14 PM)TheKantian Wrote:  

Pierce Brosnan's wife isn't ugly, she's just fat.

fat = ugly

[tarquin]

(01-26-2014 11:36 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

She's not as ugly as some of the other wives. Maybe even a wall survivor. But she's done, 46 to his 23. And he's married to her.

1. Marry geriatric
2. ???
3. Profit

[CRR]

(01-26-2014 10:44 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'll go for the 7 who's lively and funny, and genuinely happy to see me, over the 8.5 how distant and slightly bitchy, always wondering if she could get a better deal then me....

This will probably be a controversial statement, but I've never found 'beautiful' women, (8 and up), hugely-bitchy, even when I wasn't particularly high-value in my teens and twenties. Maybe because I was exposed to the beautiful cliques my sister walked in. Maybe I've just been damn lucky. From my experience, (and this presuming a solid upbringing where they've suffered no major psychological damage) with the usual understanding of NAWALT:

The natural 8-9's - meaning they have always existed as 'beautiful', are the most consistently-pleasant women I've ever met. They're aware of the power of their beauty, and usually have both personal goals and expectations of success for both them and their partner, which I consider healthy. They're fun to be around, don't act masculine, and aren't carrying chips on their shoulders. The trick is to approach them without being intimidated, absolutely sure that you belong there.

Then there's the 'late blooming 8's'. They might have been fat as children, or developed late, or mastered personal grooming and style. This is where bitchiness starts creeping in. It's their insecurity about the change that has happened. Maybe they're frightened they'll slip back. They sometimes need to remind you and others they're beautiful, so the attitude starts.

The 6-7.5 range is the danger zone. They delude themselves they're hotter than they are; so their expectations are higher and more unrealistic; and their insecurity means they're likely to publicly-humiliate any sub-standard guy who approaches or any girl who pisses them off to feel better about themselves. They're far sluttier, as sex with 'hot' guys flatters their self-image and makes them believe they're more beautiful than they are.

Why are they so unrealistically-bitchy, where the 9's aren't? I suspect it's performance. They want to believe they're a hot girl, but due to their lower sexual value, they've always been excluded from 'beautiful cliques' so their idea of how hot girls act comes from, you guessed it, fantasy depictions from television and movies, where hot girls are always mean bitches, (unless it's a movie where the nerd wins the heart of one to the disgust of her mean bitch clique).

Cougars, ratchets and single mothers cling to this fantasy the hardest, and are the vilest bitches you'll ever meet. The less 'all that' she is, the nastier she'll act to reinforce her belief that she is.

Obviously, the Feminist Threshold (5 down) is where bitchiness turns into constant combativeness against the entire world.

Just my experience. Is it a cultural thing? My country isn't known for high standards of female beauty.

I'd also like to add that 6-7s can be the biggest gold diggers, or at least demand that a guy buy them whatever they want no matter what his income is. I've seen at least a few average women demand insane engagement rings from relatively broke friends. Whereas the hottest women usually want a guy with at least a good job (not exactly that unreasonable request).

Hot women like to be taken somewhere nice. The 6s demand to be taken to the best places so they can post about it in social media. Point being is that I think it ties into your theory about the unrealistic bitchiness and insecurities of 6s.

[kinjutsu]

A couple of things...

Maybe when these men met their wives they were extremely attractive. Personality-wise included. I've met a few 6's and 7's who were very good at hoking and digging their claws into high value guys. Simply because they knew how to give the guy exactly want he wanted and knew when to hold back a bit. Knew how to keep other girls away and protect her turf.

Or maybe these dudes are incredibly loyal and took the vow "till death due us part" very seriously.

As women get older they might not be able to satisfy their husbands sexually. So as long as her keeps his dirt on the down low she's ok with the self-delusion that everything is ok.