[Sonsowey]

Someone quick, start selling protein powder with RS mixed in.

[Isaac Jordan]

Thanks for starting this thread, K Galt. I had seen a few articles Mark Sisson posted about resistant starch a while back, but it wasn't until I saw this thread about a month ago that I figured experimenting with RS would be worth it.

I've been on a pretty strict paleo-type diet for about a year and a half now. I primarily eat grass-fed beef, wild salmon, pastured chicken and eggs, aged cheese, bacon, nuts, fresh fruits and vegetables, high-cocoa dark chocolate, kefir, and quality fats like coconut, avocado, and olive oil. Most of my probiotics come from kefir, which I drink almost daily. I rarely drink alcohol, no more than a glass or two of red wine a week.

I lift heavy weights 3x/week and run a few sets of wind sprints 3-4 times each month. I recently built myself a treadmill desk and probably walk two or three miles a day at a leisurely pace. I work from home and tend to get between eight and nine hours of sleep each night.

Needless to say, I consider myself a pretty healthy guy. But Sisson and the paleosphere list quite a few benefits when it comes to RS, so I went all in and bought a couple pounds of Bob's unmodified potato starch. I've taken 4 tablespoons with soda water almost every day for the past four weeks. (Soda water is definitely the way to go, makes it much easier to mix).

I've rarely had health issues since cutting out grains/milk/processed junk, so this was more about maximizing my health for health's sake then solving any existing problems. I haven't noticed anything major, with one exception: insanely vivid dreams.

Apparently a good chunk of your body's neurotransmitters (and almost all of its serotonin) is created in the gut, and on the days I supplement with the RS my dreams become more detailed and life-like than ever before. I've had four lucid dreams since I started and that alone is worth continuing to supplement.

While I don't think it's the cure-all folks are making it out to be (providing you have a clean diet and healthy lifestyle already in place), I do think there's something to the potato starch supplementation. I'll likely continue to take it daily as it's cheap and easy and there is enough research to back up its usefulness. Those bouncing back from an unhealthy experience (weekend bender, illness, extensive antibiotic use, etc.) may see more tangible benefits, though.

[samsamsam]

Just checking in to see how people's experiences have been.

I have had a bag of that starch sitting on my counter for a while, still haven't cracked it open. I was worried about the heat issue but a post mentioned that going over 150 degrees damages the starch so I am not worried that it went through the summer.

A few questions,

1) Do you store it in your fridge once you open it?
2) It sounds like it is best taken on an empty stomach, so how soon after taking it do you eat?
3) Anyone doing this also on IF? I usually eat between noon and 6pm. I pop BCAAs in the morning before working out. But that is not supposed to interrupt IF, I wonder if this does at all.
4) Seems like eating fermented foods is highly recommended, I was doing it for a while and need to get back on it, however, is there any probiotic in pill form that you guys have taken? Just looking for suggestions, to try and jump start the process.

I checked out this thread on probiotics but there were not too many recommendations for a pill form. http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33470.html

Thanks.

[PUA_Rachacha]

(12-17-2014 10:50 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Just checking in to see how people's experiences have been.

I have had a bag of that starch sitting on my counter for a while, still haven't cracked it open. I was worried about the heat issue but a post mentioned that going over 150 degrees damages the starch so I am not worried that it went through the summer.

A few questions,

1) Do you store it in your fridge once you open it?
2) It sounds like it is best taken on an empty stomach, so how soon after taking it do you eat?
3) Anyone doing this also on IF? I usually eat between noon and 6pm. I pop BCAAs in the morning before working out. But that is not supposed to interrupt IF, I wonder if this does at all.
4) Seems like eating fermented foods is highly recommended, I was doing it for a while and need to get back on it, however, is there any probiotic in pill form that you guys have taken? Just looking for suggestions, to try and jump start the process.

I checked out this thread on probiotics but there were not too many recommendations for a pill form. http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33470.html

Thanks.

I take the stuff in a breakfast smoothie, 2-3X per week. I use Hi-Maize resistant starch.

It's a starch, so no refrigeration is necessary.

You can consume with or w/o food, it doesn't matter. My understanding is that it completely bypasses your small intestine and is digested by the bacteria in your colon. This is a good video explaining how resistant start works

A bunch of people at Free the Animal argue that it's perfectly fine for LC/VLC because no calories are actually consumed. The RS completely passes through the intestine to the colon. So, try it out on IF and note your results.

For probiotics I take Dr. Ohhira's Professional Formula. Before taking the probiotic it was a blue moon before I had a solid, long, perfectly digested turd. Now, it's more the norm (not 100%). I find that if I am ingesting the probiotic and resistant starch regularly, my turds could be displayed in a museum case. Obviously TMI, but I'm proud that I've fixed this issue that I've been suffering from since I was in high school.

[samsamsam]

^^ That is awesome that you fixed that issue.

And many thanks for the info. I am going to start eating fermented foods now and start the starch in the new year.

Wow Ohhira's ain't cheap. You take it every day? I was hoping to get a jump start and not have to keep taking probiotics daily.

Once again, thanks.

Edit: Anyone try this probiotic? http://www.amazon.com/PRO-15-Recommended..._3774071_1

[JayJuanGee]

(12-18-2014 01:19 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

^^ That is awesome that you fixed that issue.

And many thanks for the info. I am going to start eating fermented foods now and start the starch in the new year.

Wow Ohhira's ain't cheap. You take it every day? I was hoping to get a jump start and not have to keep taking probiotics daily.

Once again, thanks.

Edit: Anyone try this probiotic? http://www.amazon.com/PRO-15-Recommended..._3774071_1

I don't claim to be super informed about the topic; however, I believe that Rachacha made several good points regarding the role and purpose of resistance starch.

Accordingly, I have attempted to include a few more carbs in my diet of the resistance starch category. Still carbs are probably less than 25% of my total dietary intake, but here and there I will eat some resistance starc type carbs... as described earlier in various parts of this thread and some of the links (such as rice, potatoes, squash, etc). NOT too much in any given week.

Also, I have some bob's redmill resistance potato starch in my fridge that I mix with some of my food from time to time; but I admit that I am NOT regularly using it.

Personally I believe that the concept of probiotics is fairly highly overrated, yet I really am NOT sure about it and whether they really provide benefits and whether they really survive passage through the gut (maybe they need to be taken with resistance starch?)..

Also, for example, if guys are having gut issues and they believe that their gut glora may be messed up, then probably they should start with consuming some resistance starches and attempting minimizing sugars and carbs from their diets. If these measures do NOT seem to be sufficiently balancing out the gut flora, then maybe lab tests need to be accomplished...

I guess that what I am attempting to say is that I am of the belief that guys should attempt, as much as they can, to obtain balance through whole and natural foods without too many supplements.. and resistance starch seems to be better than probiotics..

[PUA_Rachacha]

(12-18-2014 01:19 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

^^ That is awesome that you fixed that issue.

And many thanks for the info. I am going to start eating fermented foods now and start the starch in the new year.

Wow Ohhira's ain't cheap. You take it every day? I was hoping to get a jump start and not have to keep taking probiotics daily.

Once again, thanks.

Edit: Anyone try this probiotic? http://www.amazon.com/PRO-15-Recommended..._3774071_1

I take the probiotic most days. It ain't cheap, but I rarely ever get sick anymore, and as I said, I'm pooping regularly again. But I'll spend big bucks to improve my health. The probiotic lasts me about four months since I only take one per day.

I've never heard of that probiotic. This is a pretty well-rated probiotic from a reputable supplement company.

[PUA_Rachacha]

(12-19-2014 02:42 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I don't claim to be super informed about the topic; however, I believe that Rachacha made several good points regarding the role and purpose of resistance starch.

Accordingly, I have attempted to include a few more carbs in my diet of the resistance starch category. Still carbs are probably less than 25% of my total dietary intake, but here and there I will eat some resistance starc type carbs... as described earlier in various parts of this thread and some of the links (such as rice, potatoes, squash, etc). NOT too much in any given week.

Also, I have some bob's redmill resistance potato starch in my fridge that I mix with some of my food from time to time; but I admit that I am NOT regularly using it.

Personally I believe that the concept of probiotics is fairly highly overrated, yet I really am NOT sure about it and whether they really provide benefits and whether they really survive passage through the gut (maybe they need to be taken with resistance starch?)..

Also, for example, if guys are having gut issues and they believe that their gut glora may be messed up, then probably they should start with consuming some resistance starches and attempting minimizing sugars and carbs from their diets. If these measures do NOT seem to be sufficiently balancing out the gut flora, then maybe lab tests need to be accomplished...

I guess that what I am attempting to say is that I am of the belief that guys should attempt, as much as they can, to obtain balance through whole and natural foods without too many supplements.. and resistance starch seems to be better than probiotics..

Hey Jay, I agree that supplements should be avoided as much as possible, so if somebody's got good-looking poop and doesn't suffer from any auto-immune disorders (allergies, eczema, psoriasis, etc.), then a probiotic offers no benefit and maybe even some drawbacks.

I actually went to a gastroenterologist last year because I was sick of never been able to poop regular poop. I was scoped, had my blood work done, etc. The guy couldn't come up with anything, so he just recommended I take an expensive probiotic. This turned out to do the trick.

RS will change your gut flora, but I don't think it will improve your poop like my probiotic did. What RS does do if give you rock-solid blood sugar, which will cause you to lose fat. You also generally are in a good mood 24 hours after consumption (I take 40g in my smoothie). The theory is that butyrate produced by your gut flora doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier right away. The video I linked above explains how butyrate is produced in your colon.

In my opinion RS is an easy and cheap way to improve blood sugar, your colon environment, and maybe improve your mood short-term. I recommend everyone at least try it, but your mileage may vary.

[samsamsam]

That is a good video.

[roberto]

Currently trying this. For anyone interested, a few teaspoons of starch (I use potato starch, or 'farina') adds a lovely consistency to scrambled eggs with butter. Best way to describe it would be 'like a perfect half cooked egg yolk'.

[Velebit]

Free The Animal by Richard Nikoley is by far the best source for integrating Resistant Starches into a modified Paleo diet (He encourages the consumption of rice, legumes and tubers, unlike a lot of Paleo dogmatists).


I have found this article really helpful, as it breaks down Resistant Starch consumption, overall nutrition, and supplementation. I've pasted the part of the article outlining which foods are in-line with a Resistant Starch diet:


http://freetheanimal.com/2013/12/resista...lines.html


1.REPLACE all wheat and other gluten grains (barley & rye) from bread, pasta, cereals WITH white rice, beans, and potatoes (or other starchy veggies) as your "staple" foods and substrates for your proteins (meat, fish, shellfish, fowl, veggies).

2.If you do bread and pasta (but best not often), get gluten free. Whole Foods has a lot of varieties, increasing all the time. I particularly like anything by Udi or Glutino (their crackers are the bomb). http://udisglutenfree.com and http://www.glutino.com. But stay away from all the sweet stuff (cakes, cookies, etc).

3.Corn tortillas are fine, too.

4.Minimize ADDING fat to stuff, as well as sugar. Eat fruit for sweet; cook with butter, ghee, lard, tallow, bacon drippings, coconut oil, red palm oil, or extra virgin olive oil. My favorite of the later is the Kalamata Greek Olive Oil from Trader Joe's. Dump all industrial processed oils (canola, sunflower, safflower, corn, etc). One exception is high oleic sunflower oil (often called "high heat"). Completely different fat profile than regular sunflower oil and it's not GMO, but natural plant breeding. Also, avocado and macadamia nut oil are fine ($$$). 90% of the time, I only use OO raw, on salads or a little drizzle on meat/veggies.

5.Cooking white rice. You can use whatever (basmati, jasmine, etc.) but strangely enough, Uncle Ben's original parboiled rice is the most healthful on a number of levels. Way more nutrition and the parboiling process forms something called "resistant starch" that feeds your healthful gut bacteria critters. To up things even further, cook rice with chicken stock (or beef, or vegetable, or mushroom, etc.). Kitchen Basics is THE BEST and I have tried them all (you can do your own stocks...but pain in the ass). Once cooked, put the leftover rice in the fridge or freezer, rather than letting it sit in the cooker. This forms even more resistant starch. RS, in addition to feeding your critters, also blunts blood glucose spikes significantly by slowing the rate of digestion.

6.Stay away from canned beans. Do them yourself the traditional way. Cover with warm water and let them soak for 24 hours or more, up to 48 where they even ferment; drain, rinse well and then cook in beef stock (add water as necessary). The best beans nutritionally, as well as minimal toxins such as lectins (the soaking process removes much of these too) are: BLACK, LENTILS, PINTO. Red kidney beans are probably the worst. For those, minimal only, like a bit on your salad when at a salad bar (but load up on the garbanzos!). A great way to cook awesome pintos after soaking, and in the pot: a sprinkle over the whole surface of real bacon bits, garlic powder, desiccated onion flakes, and black pepper. Salt to taste when they are done cooking.

7.Do potatoes any way you like (boiled, roasted, baked, nuked). Rather than deep fry, make oven fries with far less fat. coating with a combo of coconut and red palm oil and oven roasting (400 for 20m or so) is the BOMB. Minimize the butter and sour cream with baked or mashed potatoes. For mashed, better to reduce beef stock by 3/4 and thicken with a potato starch slurry—for a tasty sauce/gravy—than to load up with the butter and cream. Or, just do a classic red wine reduction using onion and shallot you strain out. Splurge with the added fat sometimes, just not all the time or often.

8.Dump all the bottled salad dressings because they are all made with those same garbage industrial oils that were originally developed as machinery lubricant. Jet engines use vegetable oils to lubricate turbines. Mouth watering, eh? Instead, use any combo of olive oil, vinegars, lemon, lime, soy sauce, dijon mustard, onion, and whatever other herbs & spices and such you like to make a vast variety of your own salad dressings.

9.Veggies. Anything, cooked any way, but blanching or parboiling is far better than steaming. Ideal is a variety of raw, cooked, blanched. Also, fermented veggies such as sauerkraut, kimchee. Eat seaweed for the iodine. Eat BIG ASS SALADS. I'm talking salad bar salads with all those tons of ingredients including the beans, beats, etc. I go to Whole Foods often, load up a box from their bar, then take it home and dress it myself. If you get those packaged salads for lunches like my wife does, toss the dressings and take along your own in a container.

10.Fruit. Anything, but avoid juices, except the way they used to be consumed—in those little 4 oz juice glasses for breakfast. The dose makes the poison.

11.Nuts. No more than a handful per day (normal handful). Macadamias have the best fat profile by FAR. Brazils are good for the selenium. Filberts are good, but I forget why.

12.Meats. Anything, but again, minimal added fat in the form of gravies, sauces, etc. A pat of butter or drizzle of OO is fine. Meat already has fat in it. Try to eat organ meats like liver—the most nutritionally dense food on the planet by order of magnitude. If you can't tolerate liver, you can: a) hide it in ground beef. You won't be able to taste 2-4 oz of chopped up liver in a pound of ground beef, or b) eat good quality pâté regularly, or liverwurst or braunschweiger.

13.Fish. Anything. As liver is the most nutritionally dense land food, oysters are the most nutritionally dense seafood. Highest source of zinc on the planet. Hopefully, you adore raw oysters, so any time you see 'em on a menu, have some. Trader Joe's has decent smoked oysters that are packed in olive oil (instead of crap cottonseed oil like most brands—search it out). 1/2 - 1 can per day with your rice, or on some Glutino crackers is excellent. Also, mussels and clams are really fine. When I go to a restaurant, the first thing I check is if they have oysters, mussels or clams.

14.Fowl. Anything, but don't buy into this white meat bullshit. Fowl also has the worst omega 6 to omega 3 ratio (the primary reason all the crap vegetable/seed oils are crap). 6:3 is a yin:yang kinda thing. 3 is anti inflammatory, 6 is pro inflammatory. Traditional diets have a typical 3:6 ratio from about 1:1 to 1:3. The typical American diet is 1:15 to 1:30...way out of whack in the balance of nature, and it's primarily because of all the cheap, crap "heart healthy" oils used...and the shifting to chicken everywhere. Eat your chicken & turkey, but it's no panacea.

[Hypno]

(01-01-2014 01:48 PM)billbudsocket Wrote:  

I've been taking the Bobs brand Potato Starch for about a week now, it's easy to mix in 1.5 tablespoons at a time with 1-2 spoonfuls of pyscillum husk and creatine, that mixes well in water and is easy to take. I got some of the Bob's Red Mill Arrowroot flour but haven't tried it yet. How are you guys taking the potato starch flour?

what is the benefit of pyscillum husk? fiber only?

[Hypno]

so I ordered pyscillium husk, some potato starch, some probiotics, and Dr. Gundy's pre-biotics. the psycillum husk arrived first and i've added that to my smoothies each morning. i wasn't expecting much but man i guess i was in need of fiber because my movements are much better now. highly recommended. I usually have a smoothy with 2 cups of kale, a cup of organic celery, 2 small apples, and a cup of blueberries. on top of that i try to each more veggies and fruits throughout the day. so I would think I had enough fiber in my diet, but this stuff really lets you cut off a nice loaf. I really feel energized.

I've just started using the other ingredients so I'll report back next week.

I'm also setting a goal of eating 2 servings of fermented veggies a week. right now that is just saurkraut.