[rastignac]

(12-22-2013 03:54 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

America is the greatest cultural influence on the rest of the world.

It has to be saved in order to save everything else.

I would agree about the blues and baseball and jazz and democracy and freedom of speech. But that is all so 20th century?

When I see modern American influence on the rest of the world when I travel, I generally cringe.

What concretely is this great cultural influence?

[rastignac]

(12-22-2013 02:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

For a second I thought we were making a dent on feminism, but fat acceptance is making great strides in spite of the fact that obesity is detriment to human health. Heterophobia has yet to peak. "Male privilege" is becoming ingrained in America's cultural fiber. "Rape culture" advocates are making in-roads with kangaroo courts in colleges. The list goes on.

It's nice that the red pill is growing, and that more people are voicing our beliefs in comments of mainstream articles, but it's hard not to look at the general trends and realize that we are on the losing side. Things are getting worse, not better, and I wonder if it's really worth it to save American ideals instead of just helping men outright expatriate. I wonder if it's fruitless to make a stand. I'm far away from what many of you have to personally experience from living and working in America, but from my pleasant European city it's too upsetting to read just about any news coming out of the States. I don't have much hope.

The war is lost. America is a mess. Pardon my shorthand.

The political system is broken. It is owned by lobbyists who are owned by big business.

The educational system is broken. Nothing but a pyramid scheme that will have a huge crisis in our lifetime.

The relations between the sexes is broken. No real chance for happiness or a good family life.

The housing system is broken. The debt economy has made decent housing damn near impossible for first time home buyers in most decent cities.

The food supply is toxic. HFCS. GMO. So much reliance on bread.

Obesity. We are a physical embarrassment to the rest of the world.

The health system is ridiculously expensive and not all that great.

Most rights are eroding post-911.

The people are basically paranoid since-911.

Our greatest spiritual value is consumption. Shopping. We have no real shared values left besides these.

Our chocolate sucks compared to chocolate in almost every other country.

Individual men need to cobble together what they need to lead a good life, and help each other. That is where communities like this are strong. Changing the society is impossible, at least without a bunch of men going their own way and finding happiness against the grain.

[InternationPlayboy]

^ I agree with most everything you're saying, including health care being expensive, but to say healthcare isn't that good in the US, is wrong. We have some of the best doctors in the world and treatment is fast, facilities clean, and physicians knowledgeable. Try seeing a doctor in Switzerland in one days notice. Good luck, you'll be waiting a week. America gets some of the best doctors from all over because the pay is so high. In a place like Europe, you don't see doctors with 5 car garages but in the states you do. There's high incentive to be a doctor in America.

I was talking to a coworker about health care the other day, and he said doctors don't deserve the money they get. But really, if doctors don't deserve that type of money, then who does? Doctors are saving lives daily. They spent a long time in school and went into debt in many cases to become what they are. In my eyes, doctors are some of the most important people in the world, they deserve the money they make. Yeah health care is expensive, but if you have the money for insurance, it's not THAT bad. And if you don't, there are programs that will help you out. I've had multiple surgeries with no insurance, and only ended up paying 10% of the actual cost, cheaper than what I would have paid with insurance with a $5000 deductable.

[Screwston]

I hate how people are so quick to call the cops for any little thing. That thread where a lady was calling the cops on a guy arguing with her in a parking lot wtf.

[Teedub]

(12-22-2013 06:11 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

@teedub - Poland is a 2nd world country! Poles are leaving their country like crazy for "greener" pastures like Canada and the UK.

It's a less well off 1st world country. No nation that has a fully fledged welfare state can be categorized as '2nd world'! It was perhaps 2nd world 15 years ago, but it's gone through rapid 'progression' since then. Mainly due to the rules for accessing the EU - and subsequent changes due to being a member of it. If we're saying Somalia is 3rd world, somewhere like Columbia is 2nd world, then the most I'd be willing to say is Poland is a 'B' level 1st World country, whereas France or whatever is 'A' level 1st world.

[It_is_my_time]

(12-23-2013 02:06 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 07:39 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

To summarize: it generally isn't a problem that most people can't think critically, but in a Democracy where the majority rules, it can become a big fucking problem.

After fifty-seven posts, someone actually identified the real problem. With more than forty-nine percent of the U.S. population now receiving government benefits, we have a situation where almost a majority of the population has a vested interest in voting for politicians who support the social welfare state. We are right at the point of no return. From an October 23, 2013 news article:

Quote:

In the fourth quarter of 2011, 49.2 percent of Americans received benefits from one or more government programs, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.

In total, the Census Bureau estimated, 151,014,000 Americans out of a population then estimated to be 306,804,000 received benefits from one or more government programs during the last three months of 2011. Those 151,014,000 beneficiaries equaled 49.2 percent of the population.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-...s-medicaid


That fact, combined with the fact that no nation in world history has ever survived the level of debt accrued by the U.S. government, means that a recovery from creeping socialism and a burgeoning police state is unlikely.

Ironically, President Obama and VaginaCare has made liberalism so unpopular that we have one last chance to return to a Constitutional Republic -- if voters wake up and sweep constitutionalists into office in 2014 and 2016.

This ^^^^

A few people here are posting "save the USA from what?".

Well yes, things in the USA are not that bad yet. But the giant storm of misery is building.

The amount of national debt and unfunded liabilities alone is terrifying. Eventually the USA will be cut off from borrowing money at this rate, and when we are cut off, it will be very ugly. Millions of people dependent and believing they are entitled to get things from the govt. cut off overnight.

That doesn't even include other worries like...

Feminism destroying families and culture
NSA and what are they doing with all that information.
Indefinite Detention Act - Why do we need a law that allows the federal govt. to arrest and detain us for as long as they want with no charges and no visit to a lawyer.

Is America worth saving? Yes
Can it be saved? I don't know

But yes, the USA faces some major issues.

[Sp5]

You have to distinguish between philosophical hysteria excited by the internet and major media and the reality of America.

It happens to you during long residences abroad. You're reading blogs, watching CNN and Fox. Everything is sensationalized and seems to be going to shit. Extreme opinions and outrages are a daily occurrence. It affects you.

Then you go home to the USA, travel around the country, and things are pretty damn good. People are friendly, even cops giving you speeding tickets. People stop at red lights. You go into stores, buy things, you get served what you want. You don't have to pay any bribes or go through checkpoints. Even the worst parts of town don't look that bad compared to places you've been in the third world.

Perspective. To paraphrase Timothy Leary: Tune out, turn off, drop in.

[Branimir]

I don't know man, all americans have this "grass-is-greener" attitude and kind of live in their own american illusion, when infact the US is still one of the best places to live and earn money.
Tell the "decline" to someone living in Greece, Italy, Spain with 50% unemployment, or some guy in Russia, Ukraine who lives in a grey commieblock all his life, like most do. They'll gladly change passports with you.

Most of the problems, and even worse ones, apply to other countries aswell, it's just that because you're living in the US, you only hear about US problems.
If you got your shit together, the US is still better off than 95% of the worlds countries.
There's no place where it's magically better, just because it's a foreign country.
Only the Anglosphere, Switzerland and Scandinavia can compete.

[Architekt]

Future of Obamacare

[Sombro]

The Manosphere meets A Canticle for Leibowitz.

Quote:

“Listen, are we helpless? Are we doomed to do it again and again and again? Have we no choice but to play the Phoenix in an unending sequence of rise and fall? Assyria, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Rome, the Empires of Charlemagne and the Turk: Ground to dust and plowed with salt. Spain, France, Britain, America—burned into the oblivion of the centuries. And again and again and again. Are we doomed to it, Lord, chained to the pendulum of our own mad clockwork, helpless to halt its swing? This time, it will swing us clean to oblivion.”
― Walter M. Miller Jr., A Canticle for Leibowitz

[Tail Gunner]

(12-23-2013 02:50 AM)elabayarde Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 03:07 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

In terms of MRA thinking where you suppose that you'll have some appreciable impact on legal/economic circumstances, I don't believe it's worth the effort. We've crossed the tipping point where the country will just have to learn from their mistakes. Let them have Obamacare, single mother subsidies, gun control, and censorship and see what it gets them. People get the government/society they deserve. I believe the idea of liberty and the Constitution are always available for Americans to turn back to when we realize our mistakes. Let the government and the dollar/economy crash along with all these other ridiculous first world notions our opulence has bought us and go back to the drawing board.

In cultural or intellectual terms, it's always worth fighting off bad philosophy. There are real people out there who can benefit from good perspectives regardless of the direction of the mainstream.

Why can't anyone see that obamacare just forces everyone to get private insuranc, so tax payers don't have to bear the burden of all the homeless, drug addicts, clinical alcoholics who go into the ER for nonsense, to have a bed to sleep in for the night. Ask any emergency medicine professional.

"Why can't anyone see that obamacare just forces . . . ." Forces? WTF!

Why should the government force anyone to do anything when it comes to their own healthcare?

It is that kind of statist thinking that killed America. (By "America" I mean the ideal of a real Constitutional Republic, which is now dead.)

Second, regarding "the homeless, drug addicts, clinical alcoholics," forcing people to obtain healthcare will work just as well as forcing people not to do drugs, not to drink alcohol, and not to live on the streets like an animal.

Enacting laws that no one obeys simply breeds disrespect for the law and for the government that enacted them.

[It_is_my_time]

(12-23-2013 10:25 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 02:50 AM)elabayarde Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 03:07 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

In terms of MRA thinking where you suppose that you'll have some appreciable impact on legal/economic circumstances, I don't believe it's worth the effort. We've crossed the tipping point where the country will just have to learn from their mistakes. Let them have Obamacare, single mother subsidies, gun control, and censorship and see what it gets them. People get the government/society they deserve. I believe the idea of liberty and the Constitution are always available for Americans to turn back to when we realize our mistakes. Let the government and the dollar/economy crash along with all these other ridiculous first world notions our opulence has bought us and go back to the drawing board.

In cultural or intellectual terms, it's always worth fighting off bad philosophy. There are real people out there who can benefit from good perspectives regardless of the direction of the mainstream.

Why can't anyone see that obamacare just forces everyone to get private insuranc, so tax payers don't have to bear the burden of all the homeless, drug addicts, clinical alcoholics who go into the ER for nonsense, to have a bed to sleep in for the night. Ask any emergency medicine professional.

"Why can't anyone see that obamacare just forces . . . ." Forces? WTF!

Why should the government force anyone to do anything when it comes to their own healthcare?

It is that kind of statist thinking that killed America. (By "America" I mean the ideal of a real Constitutional Republic, which is now dead.)

Second, regarding "the homeless, drug addicts, clinical alcoholics," forcing people to obtain healthcare will work just as well as forcing people not to do drugs, not to drink alcohol, and not to live on the streets like an animal.

Enacting laws that no one obeys simply breeds disrespect for the law and for the government that enacted them.

Sort of like when the progressive govt. forced people to stop drinking alcohol.

Of course everyone still knew where to get it. And with this govt. "force" organized crime exploded and caused far bigger problems.

Pretty much anything the govt. tries to fix it only makes it far worse.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-23-2013 01:50 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 09:44 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I think the notion that American culture needs to be "saved" sounds pretty conservative. Something an elderly person would say. I'm sure many people felt that way when schools became integrated, or when hip-hop music emerged on the scene in the 80s and 90s, the era that pretty much is the soundtrack of my childhood. So I never want to be that guy that cries about change. I embrace it. Adapt or die like Westcoast says. You can still do what you need to do to hit your goals and live how you want.

You are confusing two different ideas. Yes, one can adapt -- and even flourish -- almost anywhere. That is not the issue.

People adapted and survived in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Change is not always good. I know that from my family history. I had relatives die in the gulags of Siberia.

Everyone should have a contingency plan for the worst. It is better to leave a bad situation a year early rather than an hour late.

Ok, that's my cue.

[RexImperator]

^^^ I could be wrong but I don't believe Obamacare does anything for the homeless or anyone else who is below the minimum for having to file federal income tax returns.

[paninaro]

(12-23-2013 10:25 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

"Why can't anyone see that obamacare just forces . . . ." Forces? WTF!

Why should the government force anyone to do anything when it comes to their own healthcare?

It is that kind of statist thinking that killed America. (By "America" I mean the ideal of a real Constitutional Republic, which is now dead.)

Second, regarding "the homeless, drug addicts, clinical alcoholics," forcing people to obtain healthcare will work just as well as forcing people not to do drugs, not to drink alcohol, and not to live on the streets like an animal.

Enacting laws that no one obeys simply breeds disrespect for the law and for the government that enacted them.

The government forces people to do things all the time. They force you to wear a seatbelt. They force you to choose from only products that they have deemed worthy (safe) for sale. They force you to pay taxes on your income.

The healthcare thing is basically just a tax, like the many other taxes people face, but it was just worded differently for political reasons. It's even calculated and assessed on your income tax return, by the IRS.

[elabayarde]

We should also repeal hippa laws by that logic as well and not treat broke people in emergent conditions, because you are forcing others to pay for there healthcare. It's amazing that you guys think that Obama or any other presidential candidate was any different. That law is about money. We pay astronomic prices treating people in the emergency room, as tax payers. These people who could have been seen for pennies by a primary care physician. But they have no insurance....so we foot the bill.

You know how many people go into the ER and rack up bills for stuff like, I have tumor on my sternum, and it's really just there xiphoid process.

Unfortunately, you have the Tea bagger mentality, that is so full of biggatry that they vote and fight against there own interest. But truth be told all this dems vs reps is bullshit. There's no difference in either party. Only sheep, betas, and blue pullers actually think there isand believe that fucking bed time story.

[Comte De St. Germain]

I see this thread drifting from what it originally started at and I think we need to get back to the topic at at hand that is not the economy or China, but the society and mental attitude of the United States. In my personal opinion I think that the United States is impossible to preserve in its current and state and is going to collapse soon(next 20-50 years is my estimate), but the worthwhile people can be saved. More people are waking up and questioning what is going on around them. I believe there will be an exodus out of the United States of the more intelligent crowd, but until all hope is lost I agree with Quintus by staying here as a beacon of hope and reason against the tide. Sadly as Roosh stated earlier we are currently the losing side and it will take a massive amount of effort to shift it, but unlike the Boomer Generation and as a member of the current youth I plan to stand my ground until all hope is lost.

[soup]

Not to raise false hope, but sometimes when things seem at their bleakest, that's when they start to turn around.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Also if we are talking politics I think it is a generally accepted fact that the two party system is bullshit.

[Tail Gunner]

(12-23-2013 10:47 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 01:50 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 09:44 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I think the notion that American culture needs to be "saved" sounds pretty conservative. Something an elderly person would say. I'm sure many people felt that way when schools became integrated, or when hip-hop music emerged on the scene in the 80s and 90s, the era that pretty much is the soundtrack of my childhood. So I never want to be that guy that cries about change. I embrace it. Adapt or die like Westcoast says. You can still do what you need to do to hit your goals and live how you want.

You are confusing two different ideas. Yes, one can adapt -- and even flourish -- almost anywhere. That is not the issue.

People adapted and survived in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Change is not always good. I know that from my family history. I had relatives die in the gulags of Siberia.

Everyone should have a contingency plan for the worst. It is better to leave a bad situation a year early rather than an hour late.

Ok, that's my cue.

The fact that you do not see the logical and historical connection is exactly why we are doomed to lose this fight. History is cyclic and always ends in fiscal and cultural decline, which opens the door to a cult-of-personality that leads a nation to totalitarianism.

You may want to watch "Schindler's List" for an example of someone who adapted to a changing environment and did very well. My point is that political change can happen much quicker than expected and while you can certainly adapt and prosper, do you really want to continue living in such an environment?

[BlurredSevens]

How The Manosphere Portrays America:








What America Is Actually Like:









If you never leave the city, you become a product of it. If you don't have your own experiences with a place, you rely on others to provide them for you. To experience America, you need to turn off the TV, the computer, the radio and GO OUTSIDE. Pussy and Game are but a fraction of what any place on earth has to offer. If you're not connecting with the land, the space, the nature around you, then how can you truly ever know a place?

Spend a few weeks driving across America and you will see this country for what it really is. Enormous, beautiful, full of opportunity.

I wrote more about this idea here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27351.html

[Sp5]

(12-23-2013 11:25 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Also if we are talking politics I think it is a generally accepted fact that the two party system is bullshit.

Try the ten- or fifteen party system like Italy, Israel or Iraq.

Fucked-up coalition governments held hostage to the three votes of the Nutball Party.

Maybe the Democrats and Republicans are fucked up and corrupt right now, but there's nothing wrong with broad-based parties built around the center.

Tory - Labour, SPD - CDU, Liberal - Labour, Conservative - NDP, etc.

[Comte De St. Germain]

@Sp5
Well at least they have options. There is always a yay or nay in our system ands when a third option is presented it is usually rejected by both sides. This trend also polarizes the two parties into groups whom do not even try to comprehend the other side(much like how the white knights, betas, and feminists outright reject us). The lack of understanding of people is what the problem is as well as the lack of a third option. I am in essence advocating understanding and logical responses which the manosphere has time and time again brought to the table.

[ms224]

Victor Davis Hanson Takes on pajama boy

Quote:

There is a growing tiredness with Pajama Boy nation. Millions are sick of being lectured, caricatured, and slandered for their supposed pathologies by the Sandra Flukes of the age and those in their pajamas who still grasp with two hands their hot chocolate. Add all their annoying Stalinist efforts up — to selectively going after Chick-fil-A or the Washington Redskins or Duck Dynasty — and the public is becoming tired of the shrill nerdocracy.

How many are revolting against Pajama Boy nation and his bunch, no one quite knows. But I’m beginning to think for the first time since 2009 that the rage and numbers of the disengaged have not crested yet, not quite yet.

This is from a much more mainstream source than, say ROK.

[Tail Gunner]

(12-23-2013 11:38 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

If you never leave the city, you become a product of it. If you don't have your own experiences with a place, you rely on others to provide them for you. To experience America, you need to turn off the TV, the computer, the radio and GO OUTSIDE. Pussy and Game are but a fraction of what any place on earth has to offer. If you're not connecting with the land, the space, the nature around you, then how can you truly ever know a place?

Spend a few weeks driving across America and you will see this country for what it really is. Enormous, beautiful, full of opportunity.

Your photos make an interesting point -- but not the one that you intended. They juxtapose humanity and nature.

There is a huge difference between people (your first set of photos) and land (your second set of photos). No one should confuse the two.

Most of America is beautiful and always has been. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the American people have evolved into materialistic, nanny-state, narcissistic sociopaths who are slowly pissing away their birthright.