[speakeasy]

(12-22-2013 03:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

It's easy to say "go anywhere" but if you've ever lived near a major city, and you move to a true small town where usually all the smart people leave every generation, you might feel quite bored and isolated.

I should have specified I was wondering what small cities could you go to that will offer some good things without the TwitteringFacewhoreTakeover factor.

Smartphones are everywhere unless you get into the real boonies where very few women want to live, it's kind of up to the culture to keep your wife from being a Facewhore .

A town where outdoor stuff is popular might be good. I went on a trip around the western USA and visited Moab, a great town for mountain biking in Utah. It's kind of small and seasonal, but in some ways that's good if you can keep an eye on your smokeshow foreign wife there. Bozeman MT is nice too.

Might not be everyone's thing, but the vibe I got from Texas is that men aren't afraid to act like men there. They're into big trucks, guns, hard work and have a certain cowboy swagger. Definitely not a place you go fucking with people. Texans seemed down to earth and polite. I'd say Texas so far is the most polite state I've been to. I found the mannerisms refreshing coming from L.A. I'm talking about the small towns I stopped in. I don't know about Houston or San Antonio. But I was taken aback by the charm and pleasantness of even the women at subway making my sandwich.

[Libertas]

I've always been of the opinion that 90% of the population are mindless zombies that will blindly follow the crowd. It's really then up to that 10% of people who are self-aware.

It's easy to say all is lost, but really you only tend to say that because you observe the actions of the other 90%.

I'm more or less with Quintus on this one. To be in that 10% means you can become an island and a bulwark of light and preserve what is worth preserving, network with other guys that are and build monasteries so to speak.

The old system might indeed rot away from decay and Rome may burn. But what comes after it will be all-important to the world.

We will be an important part of that 'after,' whether it be America or something else. All you can do is be in the 10% and strike the shepherds of decay if you can so that the sheep will scatter in confusion. It was the 10% on the other side of us that made things the way they are now. We need to build the foundation of the next swing of the pendulum.

(12-22-2013 03:45 PM)Akula Wrote:  

Trouble is, where is there going to be to go in a few years/decades? Hell I don't know anymore. Europe is a wreck, and even more PC and Feminist than the US in many places. Forget living in Russia or Ukraine at least in terms of buying property. Sh*t I don't know....wish I did!

I actually sort of have more hope for Europe and the U.S. right now. It seems a lot of Europeans are waking up to the hellhole of imposed Cultural Marxism. Most Americans just have their heads utterly in the sand.

[amuseBouche]

You're on point about ND and W. TX:

   

(12-22-2013 02:53 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Yeah, now's the best time to be racking in the money. North Dakota is still going, W. Texas is better, and soon the Gulf Coast is going to kick off harder than post-Katrina. Huge money in the trades, women have never been better dressed (yoga pants), hotter, or sluttier, we still have guns and booze. Going abroad might be more exciting, but things aren't too bad here yet. Most of the bad we see only exists on the internet. Log off and it looks a lot better.

The problem is, when America tanks, most of the world will be looking worse, and the places that don't aren't going to be welcoming strangers in at that point.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-22-2013 02:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

For a second I thought we were making a dent on feminism, but fat acceptance is making great strides in spite of the fact that obesity is detriment to human health. Heterophobia has yet to peak. "Male privilege" is becoming ingrained in America's cultural fiber. "Rape culture" advocates are making in-roads with kangaroo courts in colleges. The list goes on.

It's nice that the red pill is growing, and that more people are voicing our beliefs in comments of mainstream articles, but it's hard not to look at the general trends and realize that we are on the losing side. Things are getting worse, not better, and I wonder if it's really worth it to save American ideals instead of just helping men outright expatriate. I wonder if it's fruitless to make a stand. I'm far away from what many of you have to personally experience from living and working in America, but from my pleasant European city it's too upsetting to read just about any news coming out of the States. I don't have much hope.

I don't disagree with any of this. My (nausea inducing) Facebook feed proves it's all happening. But I see pushback and reasons all of this won't work in the long run:

1). Fat acceptance is happening. But 90 percent of it is amongst women. You will never, ever get a 14-year-old boy to put a poster of Melissa McCarthy on his wall. The human penis is the weapon that will forever keep fat acceptance at bay.

2). Heterophobia is a problem. But mostly amongst the Pajama Boy urban crowd. There are vast swaths of this country that aren't buying this shit and the reaction to the Duck Dynasty and Chick-Fil-A controvery proves it. (Ever since that controversy, the drive-thry lunch line at my local Chick-Fil-A stretches around the building and thru the parking lot. It was never this crowded before all that.)

3). "Male privilege" is a concept that took hold in the 1990s and went unquestioned. But more and more I look at comment sections under articles and see men saying things like "WTF? Men built everything! That's why we have privilege." This is like a rising tide. It's taking time. But...it's a hell of a lot better than it was in 2004, when "privilege" statements went unchallenged.

4). The rape kangaroo courts are a problem. The only upsides I see are the sons of feminists are getting caught up on them, causing women to question all this (there was a NYT editorial on it), and blogs like Community of the Wrongly Accused are there to document injustices. It's not much, but again it's better than it was.

So, while these things are big problems, at least they're not going unchallenged. I'm wondering if they'll be a tipping point where the country says "enough!" I've heard stories about during the uptight 1980s, teenagers found it impossible to image what the free love '60s were like. I wonder if we're going to see a cultural sea change that will make the feminists' ideas look as dated as bell bottoms or sit-ins.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-22-2013 03:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

It's easy to say "go anywhere" but if you've ever lived near a major city, and you move to a true small town where usually all the smart people leave every generation, you might feel quite bored and isolated.

Honestly, I've never felt more bored and isolated that the times when I've lived amongst the intelligentsia of a major city, and seen the quality of the unintelligent, unoriginal thought that they have to offer.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(12-22-2013 02:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

For a second I thought we were making a dent on feminism, but fat acceptance is making great strides in spite of the fact that obesity is detriment to human health. Heterophobia has yet to peak. "Male privilege" is becoming ingrained in America's cultural fiber. "Rape culture" advocates are making in-roads with kangaroo courts in colleges. The list goes on.

It's nice that the red pill is growing, and that more people are voicing our beliefs in comments of mainstream articles, but it's hard not to look at the general trends and realize that we are on the losing side. Things are getting worse, not better

Roosh, this is all exactly right and it's good and important that you're saying this.

For a while there was far too much unwarranted optimism on this forum and in the manosphere generally. The feminist and "progressive" trends in the US (and in western societies generally) are very far from exhausted and are in fact going from strength to strength. Yes, things are getting worse, not better. And this will be the case for some time to come.

However:

(12-22-2013 02:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

and I wonder if it's really worth it to save American ideals instead of just helping men outright expatriate. I wonder if it's fruitless to make a stand. I'm far away from what many of you have to personally experience from living and working in America, but from my pleasant European city it's too upsetting to read just about any news coming out of the States. I don't have much hope.

I believe this is misguided in a number of ways:

1. As you enjoy your stay in your pleasant European city of choice, do not assume that its current relative pleasantness is somehow magically guaranteed to last. Most if not all of these European societies can go bad at the drop of a dime, as they've proven time and again.

The traditions of freedom and decency at the core of America are deep and strong, for all of its current problems. In many of these societies that might appear preferable today, a man can go from cruising the boulevard and admiring the sights to having a thug's boot placed on his head in a cold and nasty basement faster than you can spell "Day Bang". And the relative peacefulness of these societies in the decades since World War II is entirely underwritten by American military might.

2. It is unwise to swing from unwarranted optimism to hopelessness and morbid pessimism (and back). This is a long game and patience is called for. While feminism and allied movements are almost guaranteed to make further gains in the US and elsewhere, the pendulum will eventually swing back -- because these movements are built on lies and a system that is built on lies will eventually come into conflict with reality. And once this conflict occurs, people see through the lies.

That is what happened to Communism which was far, far worse than anything we are likely to see in the US -- it collapsed in Russia and elsewhere because the economic model that it attempted to implement could not work. It is hard to know ahead of time what will turn the tide against feminism or when it will happen, but some day it will. I think the most likely scenario is a major world conflict but that is just more or less informed speculation on my part. The truth is that we know there will be a turning point, but we can't know exactly when or how it will happen.

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Roosh, as you've said yourself in a number of posts, the qualities that have allowed you to achieve what you've achieved in your life and in game were patience and persistence. You did not become what you are now overnight; you persisted in working on it, seemingly against the odds, one day at a time, one step at a time, one approach at a time. Your whole life, and what you've created with this forum, RoK, and your other initiatives, is a testament to just how powerful the long view is -- how much can be achieved by a man who is willing to be patient and persistent, learn from his and others' mistakes, and never give up.

Nothing has changed. The same qualities that have served you so well in becoming what you are now, are the qualities that will continue to serve you well as a leader and an influential voice -- the influential voice -- of the noble and courageous enterprise known as the "manosphere". Stay patient; keep up the good work; do not encourage either unrealistic optimism or morbid hopelessness; do not indulge in the triviality of mere "moods", good or bad; and keep figuring out the details of how to keep the servers humming and the page views growing. I know that you have what it takes and I, for one, look forward to the years and decades ahead.

[Akula]

(12-22-2013 03:54 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

America is the greatest cultural influence on the rest of the world.

It has to be saved in order to save everything else.

I am glad to hear this from you Vicious (honestly) as previously I have only heard that from US rubes who have been almost nowhere else but America in there life (or maybe Canada or Mexico) but seem to know just how great the US is and how attractive we are to everyone.

But still I question what sort of 'culture' we export these days - it sure isn't 'freedom and democracy' in my honest opinion. It's more like crappy feel good PC Hollywood movies, Feminism, sh*tty food...and easy (but overweight) women. But maybe I'm wrong and am missing something. I do know we still have a massive military presence globally and play peacekeeper but I'm honestly not sure how much longer we can afford to do that (or how politically palatable it will be in the coming decade - that's an issue the US and world will have to deal with increasingly).

Note: I'm drunk and simultaneously watching NFL Redzone and the Real Madrid - Valencia game while following this discussion)). So sorry for any rants I go on! 2-2 RM Valencia and Peyton Manning just reached 51 touchdowns a record!!)) Re-edit: 3-2 Real. F*ck Ronaldo is good. And I just get a chill seeing the frozen tundra in Lambeau during the Green Bay - Steelers game...this is gonna be GOOD...

[Edmund Dantes]

(12-22-2013 03:53 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 03:45 PM)Akula Wrote:  

Trouble is, where is there going to be to go in a few years/decades? Hell I don't know anymore. Europe is a wreck, and even more PC and Feminist than the US in many places. Forget living in Russia or Ukraine at least in terms of buying property. Sh*t I don't know....wish I did

I believe Asia is the answer.

"Go East, Young Man."

But Asia is FUCKING DISGUSTING! I have never been to Asia but seeing all the FOBs here in my city makes me think otherwise. They don't care about hygiene or manners over here. I can barely imagine what they do over there. Someone said on the forum they will cough without covering their mouths, fart/belch in public and even defecate in the streets.

"Ohhh, only the poor do that." Do the rich make up the majority? How big is their middle class? Exactly.

Fuck that shit!

[Brodiaga]

(12-22-2013 04:35 PM)Edmund Dantes Wrote:  

But Asia is FUCKING DISGUSTING! I have never been to Asia but seeing all the FOBs here in my city makes me think otherwise. They don't care about hygiene or manners over here. I can barely imagine what they do over there. Someone said on the forum they will cough without covering their mouths, fart/belch in public and even defecate in the streets.

"Ohhh, only the poor do that." Do the rich make up the majority? How big is their middle class? Exactly.

Fuck that shit!

Singapore is cleaner, safer and more developed than any US city. So is Tokyo.

Just like white people, Asian countries and ethnic groups are all over the spectrum when it comes to manners, hygiene, education, you name it.

I'm not trying to sell Asia here, though. To each their own.

[Lemmo]

(12-22-2013 04:35 PM)Edmund Dantes Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 03:53 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 03:45 PM)Akula Wrote:  

Trouble is, where is there going to be to go in a few years/decades? Hell I don't know anymore. Europe is a wreck, and even more PC and Feminist than the US in many places. Forget living in Russia or Ukraine at least in terms of buying property. Sh*t I don't know....wish I did

I believe Asia is the answer.

"Go East, Young Man."

But Asia is FUCKING DISGUSTING! I have never been to Asia but seeing all the FOBs here in my city makes me think otherwise. They don't care about hygiene or manners over here. I can barely imagine what they do over there. Someone said on the forum they will cough without covering their mouths, fart/belch in public and even defecate in the streets.

"Ohhh, only the poor do that." Do the rich make up the majority? How big is their middle class? Exactly.

Fuck that shit!

Those are Chinese, not all Asians. Plenty of pockets of civilization elsewhere in Asia.

[Teedub]

(12-22-2013 03:27 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Roosh is rolling in the best 2nd world countries (Poland) with an independent biz, stellar game, relative youth and height genetics, thus his viewpoint is that of sort of a "1%-er expat." , much more successful than many who will try it, including myself.

I wouldn't call Poland 2nd world at all. It has a good infrastructure, public transport etc. I'd say somewhere like, maybe Brazil is 2nd world, where the gap between rich and poor is ridiculous. Where it's possible to be wealthy, but there are huge amounts of people living in poverty beyond belief to a 1st Worlder. Somewhere like Ukraine is perhaps 2nd world also, due to the corruption etc.

3rd world is where 1% is super rich and 99% is literally starving
2nd world is as I described above
1st world is everywhere else.

A lot of Polish people would be pissed at you calling them 2nd world me thinks!

[Lemmo]

The question is academic since the country has been beyond saving for at least a generation. Quixotic attempts to save it now will most likely result in beta servitude for those attempting it. Best to unplug and look out for your own interests. And the sooner the whole thing collapses the more pockets of civilization that will still remain in the USA.

[It_is_my_time]

"Is America worth saving?" - YES

America is the new world. It has a deep belief/tradition in individual rights, freedoms and liberty. Granted the bankers who run the puppet clowns in DC are trying to crush this, and they are doing an EXCELLENT job. But if the USA does fall, I am not sure if there will ever be another country in the world that allows their people to be who they want to be and allow the citizens to grow and prosper.

There are no new lands to discover. War today is done over the internet and with robots. So I don't see another USA being formed ever again, unless the entire world collapses and is reorganized.


"Can America be saved?" - I don't know

People are waking up, but it seems too little/too late. But as long as the people refuse to inform themselves of what is going on, and the majority goes along with this status quo, it will not be much longer before they have removed so many of our freedoms that we can never fight it again.

[Tex Pro]

Is America worth saving??? Who knows.

It will be interesting to see what happens when China surpasses the USA and becomes the world's superpower. The USA won't be as prosperous anymore since the dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency. Maybe that will change the USA or maybe not. Doesn't hurt to have an exit strategy.

[WestCoast]

What exactly are we saving?

Where else in the world can a broke ass punk kid like me go from living on welfare and eating for free at random church events get a job on Wall Street?

Where else can one go from the bottom to the top?

What exactly are we saving? You don't like the gays? Ignore them. You don't like the femnists? Ignore them.

Just lock up all your legal activities and you're good to go. Can someone please explain what exactly we are "saving".

Last I checked this is a forum full of decent players who are banging say 6+ chicks a year. That's not bad.

What exactly do you guys want?
Economically you guys appear to be above average, you are banging more girls in a year than most guys bang in their life and on top of all of this you're not stupid enough to get married.

Need a "feminine woman"?
Simply go to a foreign exchange event they have them every summer at every university in the USA. Or find the right venue in the city by googling like a foreigner would "forro dancing brazil xyz city" etc.

What am I supposed to help save?

The real problem is most "men" are just entitled kids just like the bitchy feminists. Both don't deserve two seconds of my time.

I've said it many times, if you want easier sex just save up your cash and leave. Hell I can leave today and not worry for very likely the rest of my life but I'm not gonna move to Thailand when I have not reached my potential.

There is nothing to save, fix your own life and be a role model.

[vinman]

Every day more and more people are waking up to the 2 party bullshit system, and turning off the mainstream for the alternative media. You said, and were correct, that the Manosphere was going mainstream. And it has. Socialism didn't take root overnight, and it won't be defeated overnight (not without a bloody purge). We just have to remember that we're in a marathon. More people are taking the Red Pill daily.

[Sherman]

America is still better situated economically for the long term than most other countries, but socially it sucks. And the woman shortage demographics in America is primarily what makes them more fussy and harder to get. Whatever game you have in the US, you can find a woman prettier and sweeter outside the US. In many countries, there is no woman shortage. Also, the leftists and progressives are on a role, and there is no end in sight to new tortures they have planned for you. It looks like the Democrats with their insane social engineering programs are going to be in power for the long run. Why deal with fruitcakes when you can be sipping wine and enjoying your life unmolested? Also, I believe one can live a higher quality life in a smaller country that doesn't have the burdens of maintaining an empire. With the Internet, it is possible to country arbitrage, and make money in the US while living somewhere more civilized.

[el mechanico]

In my 44 years here I've figured out how to manipulate just about everything but, in other countries I can barely use an ATM machine.

So..Yes. I think everyone here is about fed up so it will change with or without us. Another thing..Low flying here is a blast.

[Cattle Rustler]

(12-22-2013 04:59 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

Is America worth saving??? Who knows.

It will be interesting to see what happens when China surpasses the USA and becomes the world's superpower. The USA won't be as prosperous anymore since the dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency. Maybe that will change the USA or maybe not. Doesn't hurt to have an exit strategy.

People said the same thing about the Russians and Japanese....

Just look where those countries are at the moment.

Edit - Most of us speak from a different viewpoint because we earn 1st/2nd-world salaries and spend them in 2nd/3rd-world places. Try telling a Ukranian/Chinese factory worker or Guatemalan farmer that he has it easy and has nothing to worry about......and see what he has to say.

The NSA/CIA/IRS spies on you? The NSA spies on EVERYONE in the world. If one were a local thai/mexican.....their life is monitored by the police and local government agencies. There's not such thing as true freedom, one will always be monitored by some authority.

[rudebwoy]

@teedub - Poland is a 2nd world country! Poles are leaving their country like crazy for "greener" pastures like Canada and the UK.

[bacon]

Things arent improving culturally in the US thats for sure. But I think its quite possible for a red pill man to lifestyle hack a pretty good life for himself in the US as thedude stated about his life in LA. For instance...

Dont like the PC environment of the office work culture be your own boss or work in the oil fields/ car shop type gigs with other non pc men.

Dont like the child support/family court control over you hire Emechs lawyer or opt with a vasectomy like John Kreese, myself and others have done.

Dont like feminists/white knights simply keep those people out of your social circle.

Dont like attitudes of american women stick to dating foreign chicks this may require a move to a big city or another part of the country to have access to them in larger numbers.

Dont like the police state try to find states that are most tolerant to your vices, if pot is your thing consider Colorado.

For the general culturally shit that the media pushes onto us just kill your cable and stick to Netflix, hulu for movies, specific tv shows and go to bars or friends houses for sports and then just stick to reading financial news like the Wall Street journal to keep up on the important day to day news.

[Tex Pro]

(12-22-2013 06:03 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(12-22-2013 04:59 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

Is America worth saving??? Who knows.

It will be interesting to see what happens when China surpasses the USA and becomes the world's superpower. The USA won't be as prosperous anymore since the dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency. Maybe that will change the USA or maybe not. Doesn't hurt to have an exit strategy.

People said the same thing about the Russians and Japanese....

Just look where those countries are at the moment.

The difference is China is a massive country population-wise compared to Russia and Japan...hell, it is a massive country population-wise compared to the USA.

[TigerMandingo]

WestCoast hit the nail on the head. What is it that you're trying to save and, more importantly, who cares? Isn't getting off the grid part of the red-pill philosophy? By doing so, you automatically detach yourself from the culture and all of the things that come with it. If the US crashes (or Canada in my case), I'll jump ship and plant my roots somewhere else, wherever that may be. I've never bothered with patriotism/nationalism.

[Veloce]

(12-22-2013 04:59 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

It will be interesting to see what happens when China surpasses the USA and becomes the world's superpower.

Yeah we heard in the 80s how Japan was going to be the next superpower, and now look. We've heard Brazil too.

Being a giant manufacturing plant does not equal superpower status. China has size, and resources, and that's it. Most people there are dirt poor who don't even have indoor plumbing.

This isn't some pro-U.S. rally but this China as the next superpower thing is a joke to me. They have massive exports and little else going for them. The U.S. still has, by far, the world's largest GDP.

[ms224]

And why should we, layout our necks, and accept their accent as inevitable?