[zanetti]

(08-04-2014 10:20 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Good to see things are commg along Zanetti!
The girls at the beach, were they mostly with guys, or with other girls or by themselves?
You're totally right that once you've had a taste of a real Asian girl I. Asia, it's very hard of not impossible to go back to a western girl. No way!

Cheers VP

The girls at the beach, of the bangable ones, I'd say that most of them were there with other girls (groups of 2 or more) or with larger mixed groups. Some were with their bf but a minority. I couldn't spot any hot girls that were there by themselves.

Japanese don't really like public displays of affection so it's sometimes difficult to say who is together with someone or just friends.

[Bushido]

I always used to assume those mixed groups were friends, but a lot of the time it's just some Japanese guys who cold approached a group of girls.

[Menace]

Planning a trip to Tokyo...is Shibuya a decent place to stay (airbnb)? The Tokyo area is enormous, so difficult for me to judge. Just want to have good logistics.

Edit: well based on this thread, Shibuya seems to be the place to stay. Guess I'll just find something there.

[Carlos100]

(08-05-2014 04:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Planning a trip to Tokyo...is Shibuya a decent place to stay (airbnb)? The Tokyo area is enormous, so difficult for me to judge. Just want to have good logistics.

Edit: well based on this thread, Shibuya seems to be the place to stay. Guess I'll just find something there.

If you have the address of the place you will be staying, you might plug it into Google or Yahoo! maps to see how close it is to the train station. Shibuya is a fairly big place.

[memcpy]

(08-05-2014 04:07 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Planning a trip to Tokyo...is Shibuya a decent place to stay (airbnb)? The Tokyo area is enormous, so difficult for me to judge. Just want to have good logistics.

Edit: well based on this thread, Shibuya seems to be the place to stay. Guess I'll just find something there.

Shibuya is the place to be. You want to be near all the clubs which are crammed into a small area, google "shibuya love hotel hill." Like there are clubs right next to love hotels, not even less than 30 sec walk. Having an apartment would be better since some girls get cold when walking up that hill.

If you come to Tokyo you will be shooting yourself in the head for not running daygame. You can litterally approach all day and night in that place. No reason not to at least go through 50+ approaches in one day if needed! Its very rare that I didn't have at least some adventure when going at it hard.

You don't want to be more than 10 min walk from Shibuya station if possible.

The next best place is Shinjuku, lots of host clubs, famous for the biggest red light district (Kabukichou) which is crammed into a small area.

For daygame, Shibuya is tough with lots of icequeens walking the street. I wrote about it before but it is the "Nanpa Mecca" of japan. Huge pickup industry running there.

[Bushido]

Definitely stay in Shibuya if you can. Clubs in Shibuya suck badly though. They are not foreigner-orientated and more about the music than pickup or socializing. Prioritize day game over everything else. The Hub bars are not too bad either if you like to drink.

[zanetti]

I would go with Shibuya or in/near roppongi. Roppongi for proximity to clubs / bars with more girls open to meeting foreigners. Shibuya just has loads of things to do and good place to go on dates.

My m.o. recently has been to meet girls in roppongi and then overhyping a bar in shibuya, take them there and then back to my place.

It's true there are a lot of clubs on love hotel hill in shibuya but those aren't the best places to meet a girl, even more so if you're not Japanese.

[Menace]

Thank you all for advice. This will be a hybrid trip, i.e. not purely to rack up as many notches as possible. I actually want to see Japan too. I have girls lined up there, just need to pipeline a bit more for security (obv. these are not top tier kimono girls). Not sure how realistic day game is without Japanese...and aside from learning some key phrases, I doubt I'm going to dive too deep into it; makes no sense. Usually best to go with girls who have predisposition to English or speak it semi-well.

zanetti, the Roppongi --> Shibuya idea sounds good.

[Bushido]

Don't worry about learning Japanese this time. My friend does directional openers in English and has the best street results of anyone I know.

[Menace]

^^ By directional, you mean direct?

[Bushido]

Indirect. He asks them where he can find "X" (such as a certain department store) and they often end up offering to walk him there.

[zanetti]

I just PM’d this info to someone coming to visit Tokyo for a couple of days and thought I might as well also post it here.

This is by no means intended to be comprehensive.


NIGHTLIFE
Weekend is by far the best time of the week for nightlife in Tokyo with Saturday being the highlight. I have been keeping stats and all my one night stands minus 1 were from Saturdays. The one outlier was from a Thursday. This is particularly interesting as I have been going out an equal amount of times to similar venues on Fridays and Saturdays yet have never gotten an ONS on a Friday.

I haven’t checked out all clubs yet that I’m interested in but so far two have produced most results so I think you should focus on those: Feria in Roppongi and Muse in Nishi-Azabu, about a 10-15 minute walk from Roppongi station.

Both Feria and Muse are best on Saturdays. I have been to Muse several times on a Friday and it was usually pretty piss poor, bad ratio of girls-guys and vibe kind of off. Feria is best on Saturday but can still be okay on Friday as well. So I would suggest you hit up Feria on Friday and Muse on Saturday. Clubs don’t get going until late so I wouldn’t go there before 1am.

-Feria: this club consists of 5 floors with the basement/ground floor being the busiest. I normally spend most of my time on the second or third floor as I find the basement a bit too crowded but you can pull from there as well. They play RnB on the second floor and commercial dance/house on the third. Feria attracts a mixed crowd of Japanese, foreigners living in Tokyo and tourists visiting Tokyo. I would say that it is probably about 60% Japanese and 40% foreigners depending on the night. A significant number of the foreigners that go there are female so that is also an avenue to look into. Feria is relatively expensive as far as nightlife is concerned in Tokyo which means it tends to attract a somewhat higher end clientele compared to some of the other parts of Roppongi.

-Muse: I actually went to Muse when I first visited Tokyo in 2008 and managed to make out with 7 chicks that night (including my first ever 4-way make-out, i.e. making out with 3 chicks simultaneously) but was not able to get laid as a result of the spicy ramen I had eaten earlier that night resulting in an upset stomach. Delicious as Japanese food can be, it can sometimes have unwanted side effects so watch out for that lol. Muse has one main dancefloor/lounge area, a bar next to that, and also a bar/lounge on another floor. There are two entrances to the second bar/lounge, one near the main dance floor and one close to the toilets in the first bar but they can be a bit tricky to find so just ask a member of staff to point them out to you. I have met girls in all 3 areas so you should check all of those out.

Similar to Feria, Muse is also relatively expensive resulting in a somewhat higher end clientele, and music is also similar to what you would hear on Feria’s second and third floors. Depending on the night I would say Muse is c. 80% Japanese and 20% foreigners, sometimes going so far as 90%-10%. Most of the foreigners will be white guys and there will be hardly any foreign girls. The crowd tends to be a bit younger than Feria with most people between 20-30 y/o. Youngest girl I pulled from there was 22, more than 10 years younger than me, so don’t let age get in your way. I sometimes watch what the other guys are doing in there which usually isn’t a lot. I sometimes see the odd pair of Japanese guys do cold approaches. Most white guys there either focus on getting drunk or on standing by the bar moving their head to the music and acting like they think they’re James Bond.

Muse was closed for a while and has long had a reputation for being an easy place for a foreigner to meet Japanese girls. From what I understand from guys that have lived in Tokyo longer than I have, before its closure Muse was a great place to meet easy Japanese girls, but ever since its reopening a lot of those “sluts” haven’t returned unfortunately.

I have been there a fair number of times now on a Saturday and on some nights it felt like it was slut central and other nights it was pure shit, where I was making approaches like there was no tomorrow but still went home with my d*ck in my hand. So if you’re there and you feel it isn’t happening, don’t feel bad, might just be another bad night and Feria isn’t far away so just go there.

In terms of midweek nightlife action, I’m enrolled in a language school here which starts at 9am Monday to Friday so I haven’t been going out midweek all that much, apart from the odd Thursday. IME the bars/small clubs on the Roppongi strip that I will describe later on would be good places to go to. There is also a British style chain of pubs all over Japan called Hub which tend to be good places to meet Japanese people with an interest in foreigners. Just be careful you don’t spend the evening talking to a Japanese fanboy geek; there are quite a few of them. Personally I have not had that much luck in Hubs but other people I know have. From what I’ve been told the Hub in Shibuya (there are 2 in Shibuya; I’m talking about the one closest to the station) is the best one to go to. Dreambig is another RVFer in Tokyo who has a lot more experience with Hubs than I have. He speaks fluent Japanese which obviously helps a lot.

MY M.O.
I have mostly been rolling solo in the clubs here. I have developed the following method which is by no means scientific or full-proof but has produced some ok results so far. I tend to stay at my place in Shibuya until around midnight, just doing some personal things, listening to some music, having a drink or two etc to get into the mood.

Then I go to Shibuya station and catch the last train (differs per line but most stop going around 0.30am) to Roppongi. By that time it’s still too early to go to the clubs so I normally check out some of the bars on the infamous Roppongi strip. Some of these will have a small dance floor too. I normally see which place is busy and where cute girls are walking to and check out those. Ignore the Nigerian touts that come up to you btw. A firm “no, thank you” usually does the trick. Those guys are actually good to ask for directions if you’re having trouble finding a certain place. Some of those bars will be on the actual strip itself, others will be in a side-street. I don’t know all the names of the ones I have checked out but they would include Jumanji (bit more of a small club that gets going early), Greenland and several of the bars that used to be called Gas Panic before they were renamed. I’m sure you can find out on google what the current names are. Like I said, ask the Nigerian dudes if you’re having trouble finding a specific one.

I normally hang out in this area for an hour or so, have a couple of drinks, chill out, don’t really do any approaches unless I see a really hot girl. On several occasions I met a girl in one of those bars that I ended up taking home so it’s definitely possible to pull from those places as well.

Then around 1.30 or so I would go to Feria/Muse/other club. IME prime pulling time is from 2.00am onwards. I don’t see the point of going to a club at 23.00 buying overpriced drinks when the action doesn’t start until way later. The good thing about Japan, as opposed to most western countries is that clubs are easy to get into; you don’t have to worry about being by yourself or not having a girl with you. They let everyone in, provided you’re not dressed like a tool of course. Bring ID with you as well.

In terms of getting with J-girls, a couple of pointers. The Japanese as a people are not big on public displays of affection, e.g. kissing in public, hugging etc. In clubs, however, those same societal rules don’t really apply or at least not to the same extent. All the girls I have taken home I was already getting pretty physical with in the club; dancing, grinding, putting her butt in my groin etc. I had already kissed all of them (with the exception of one) in the club and played with their boobies/butt. With about half of them I also put their hand on my dick and put my hand on her pussy in the club. What’s great about Muse is that you can meet a girl in the busier area where the dance floor is, dance for a while, and then suggest to go to the bar area in the other room to talk where it’s a bit quieter. If it’s already getting kind of late, there should be a booth available where you can sit, which is the best place to get intimate.

Assuming that’s all going well, I then suggest we “go to Shibuya”. It doesn’t really matter at that point if she thinks we’re going straight to my place or another bar/club in Shibuya. I keep that bit vague. If it’s all going smoothly I get the taxi to take me straight to my place. If I feel she needs to develop a bit more comfort with me, I take her to a bar for a drink and bit of dancing before going to my place. One bar I’ve used a couple of times is Scramble. There isn’t anything spectacular about the place only that it’s very close to the station and fairly close to where I live. More importantly it will still be open at that time and there won’t be that many people and you don’t have to worry about some other dude going after your girl.

You mentioned in your PM Shibuya is one of the areas you’re considering staying in. That would be my advice, is worth a couple of extra yen.

D2 locations
I don’t know if you will have enough time to go on dates here but I normally take mine to an izakaya. There is a chain called Doma Doma that I usually go to. They have 2 restaurants near Shibuya 109, one on either side. I normally go to the one south of Shibuya 109 which tends to be quieter. It’s relatively inexpensive and has somewhat of a high-endish vibe so it’s a good place to take a girl. If you want to have a separate table, best to reserve ahead of time. I normally arrange to meet girls in front of Shibuya 109; everyone knows it, so it’s easy to find.


DAY GAME
I haven’t gotten great results with day game so far but while you’re in town, why not have a go. From what I have observed the areas with the highest concentration of hot girls would be outside Shinjuku station (east exit), Shibuya station and the area around Shibuya 109. In Shinjuku station, if you go to the east exit and then walk to the Kabukicho exit but instead of going up the stairs walk straight on, you will end up in an underground retail area with around 30 shops or so. There you can see how hot J-girls can really be. A lot of the shop assistants are dressed like they could be prostitutes – awesome


ONLINE
I have fiddled around with japancupid, okcupid, badoo and tinder and IMO it’s not worth your time so I wouldn’t bother with it.


FOOD
You can read about all the wonderful food and restaurants they have here on google and wikitravel but below are some tips that might be helpful.
-if you’re on a budget you can try out the gyudon (beef with rice and onion) restaurant chains that are all over town; the biggest one is called Yoshinoya.
-lots of good/cheap food options in the convenience stores which are literally everywhere. 7-11 is my favourite – you should try the onigiri (rice ball) and corn dog (called “American dog” in Japan) there
-Ichiran is a well known ramen chain from Fukuoka; they have two outlets in Shibuya, one near the station. Very tasty and a different experience from most other ramen places I have been to
-CoCo Ichiban is a well-known Japanese curry house; tasty but always makes me want to take a nap afterwards

[Carlos100]

(08-26-2014 07:41 AM)zanetti Wrote:  

Muse: I actually went to Muse when I first visited Tokyo in 2008 and managed to make out with 7 chicks that night (including my first ever 4-way make-out, i.e. making out with 3 chicks simultaneously) but was not able to get laid as a result of the spicy ramen I had eaten earlier that night resulting in an upset stomach. Delicious as Japanese food can be, it can sometimes have unwanted side effects so watch out for that lol. Muse has one main dancefloor/lounge area, a bar next to that, and also a bar/lounge on another floor. There are two entrances to the second bar/lounge, one near the main dance floor and one close to the toilets in the first bar but they can be a bit tricky to find so just ask a member of staff to point them out to you. I have met girls in all 3 areas so you should check all of those out.

Excellent data sheet. I went to Muse several times in 2003-2004. My wife's friends liked it there. I always had a hard time finding my way around in there, but that's likely because I was usually three sheets to the wind. Someone told me they started checking IDs in order to keep US military out, but I don't know if that was the real reason. I haven't been back since for various reasons. Does it still have that karaoke lounge on the very bottom floor, like three levels below the entrance? From what I remember, that room was often empty so it was a good place to isolate, except that it didn't have a staffed bar.

[zanetti]

(08-27-2014 12:41 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 07:41 AM)zanetti Wrote:  

Muse: I actually went to Muse when I first visited Tokyo in 2008 and managed to make out with 7 chicks that night (including my first ever 4-way make-out, i.e. making out with 3 chicks simultaneously) but was not able to get laid as a result of the spicy ramen I had eaten earlier that night resulting in an upset stomach. Delicious as Japanese food can be, it can sometimes have unwanted side effects so watch out for that lol. Muse has one main dancefloor/lounge area, a bar next to that, and also a bar/lounge on another floor. There are two entrances to the second bar/lounge, one near the main dance floor and one close to the toilets in the first bar but they can be a bit tricky to find so just ask a member of staff to point them out to you. I have met girls in all 3 areas so you should check all of those out.

Excellent data sheet. I went to Muse several times in 2003-2004. My wife's friends liked it there. I always had a hard time finding my way around in there, but that's likely because I was usually three sheets to the wind. Someone told me they started checking IDs in order to keep US military out, but I don't know if that was the real reason. I haven't been back since for various reasons. Does it still have that karaoke lounge on the very bottom floor, like three levels below the entrance? From what I remember, that room was often empty so it was a good place to isolate, except that it didn't have a staffed bar.

I've never seen a karaoke lounge there. I know they had a refurb a while back so perhaps they took it out then

[Bushido]

^^ Checked out Muse the other week and had to laugh at the result of their 1 year "refurbishment". The place is still exactly the same - down to the not so beautiful red carpet next to the urinals. Obviously it was just a BS excuse to avoid admitting that the police had closed it during that period

[nmmoooreland20]

I’ve got a couple bites from the Metropolis classifieds for my trip last week. It’ll have to be a SNL due to time. Any pro moves you guys can share particular to this breed of bird, or is it just standard Reciple for Securing First-Date Bangs routine?

I’ve indicated in my messages that I’ve just recently moved to Tokyo...

[Fortitudinal]

It'll catch up with you. . . These chicks have a radar for that. Plus I don't think it's cool. These broads fall hard fast, you'd ruin them for the next one who is actually staying.

[Carlos100]

(09-05-2014 08:25 AM)Fortitudinal Wrote:  

It'll catch up with you. . . These chicks have a radar for that. Plus I don't think it's cool. These broads fall hard fast, you'd ruin them for the next one who is actually staying.

From what I understand, most, if not all, of the women who place or respond to Metropolis ads are looking for a husband. I would say about 25-50% of them might be receptive to a SNL if you come off as a potential, quality boyfriend. I guess that means dialing down the "cool" game and dialing up the deep rapport game.

As Fortitudinal says, they will be watching you very close to discern if you are serious or not. Also, most of them will likely be in the 5-6.5 range on looks. A few might be 7s.

[Carlos100]

Let me add one more thing...I understand what Fortitudinal is saying, but I have a slightly different opinion. In my own experience using Metropolis ads (back when it was called Tokyo Classified), not all of the women who responded were necessarily looking for a husband. Even if they are, I think they are adult enough to make their own decisions. Even if you don't bang any of them, it is still an enjoyable experience to spend some time one-on-one with a Japanese woman who will help introduce you to Japanese bars and restaurants. I think pipelining via Metropolis before a trip to Japan is a viable option.

[Bushido]

If a girl will sleep with you on the first date via an internet posting then rest assured, there was nothing to "ruin" in the first place.

[Carlos100]

(09-06-2014 08:31 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

If a girl will sleep with you on the first date via an internet posting then rest assured, there was nothing to "ruin" in the first place.

I went out with 10 girls who responded to my ad. I banged five of them. Only one was a SNL, but this was before I was game aware. Knowing what I know now, I think I probably could have had a SNL with three or four of them. The other four slept with me by the second or third date.

Of the five I didn't bang, two were not sufficiently attractive, one played too hard to get so I stopped trying, one figured out that I wasn't interested in marriage so politely told me to take a hike, and the last one was attractive but for some reason didn't sexually excite me so I put her in the friend zone.

Of the five I banged, four became part of my harem. Interestingly, the one I had the SNL with blew me off after that. Never saw her again.

[Global_Cocksman]

(09-07-2014 07:45 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I went out with 10 girls who responded to my ad. I banged five of them. Only one was a SNL, but this was before I was game aware. Knowing what I know now, I think I probably could have had a SNL with three or four of them. The other four slept with me by the second or third date.

Of the five I didn't bang, two were not sufficiently attractive, one played too hard to get so I stopped trying, one figured out that I wasn't interested in marriage so politely told me to take a hike, and the last one was attractive but for some reason didn't sexually excite me so I put her in the friend zone.

Of the five I banged, four became part of my harem. Interestingly, the one I had the SNL with blew me off after that. Never saw her again.

Just curious, but what would a first date/SNL with a J girl look like to you nowadays, now that you're experienced and a seasoned vet there?

[Carlos100]

(09-07-2014 08:55 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 07:45 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I went out with 10 girls who responded to my ad. I banged five of them. Only one was a SNL, but this was before I was game aware. Knowing what I know now, I think I probably could have had a SNL with three or four of them. The other four slept with me by the second or third date.

Of the five I didn't bang, two were not sufficiently attractive, one played too hard to get so I stopped trying, one figured out that I wasn't interested in marriage so politely told me to take a hike, and the last one was attractive but for some reason didn't sexually excite me so I put her in the friend zone.

Of the five I banged, four became part of my harem. Interestingly, the one I had the SNL with blew me off after that. Never saw her again.

Just curious, but what would a first date/SNL with a J girl look like to you nowadays, now that you're experienced and a seasoned vet there?

The stuff I'm talking about here happened over 15 years ago. I had very little game knowledge then. If I were to do it now, I would use game from start to finish.

I would choose the venue(s). I would have, depending on if it was a daytime or nighttime date, some coffee shops, bars, and/or cheap izakaya already scouted out so that I could bounce the date from venue to venue in the general direction of my hotel room or apartment.

Start off at a cheap, laid back coffee shop, standing bar, or izakaya (not a fancy cocktail bar or nice restaurant). If it's going well, after about an hour bounce to a nicer bar about 5-10 minute walk away. Depending on how well it's going there, either find an excuse to go to your room, or bounce to another bar closer to your accomodation.

Otherwise, use regular middle game- build comfort, use deep rapport, slowly escalate kino. Tease her a little and try not to give too many direct answers to the questions. However, in this situation you may need to be a little more serious than game principles usually call for. Of course, use plausible deniability in your reasons to get her to go to your room, such as if you're going to show her pictures of your brothers and sisters, or something like that.

[enfuego]

Where do you recommend going out solo on a Thursday night?

[Bushido]

(09-14-2014 09:52 PM)enfuego Wrote:  

Where do you recommend going out solo on a Thursday night?

Jumanji.