[FretDancer]

I'm gonna be in Tokyo soon but I am only staying 2 nights: Monday and Tuesday. I am staying near the Roppongi area. Should I hit Jumanji or is there a better place nearby for these mentioned days?

[zanetti]

I have never been to Jumanji on those nights. If I were you, I would take a look and if it isn't good, there are plenty of other bars nearby on the same "strip", just follow the crowd. Don't go to any place suggested by the Nigerian touts though.

[Bushido]

Jumanji is really the only option on weekdays. There used to be more options but most have been closed by the police or otherwise lost popularity. Green Land is another place people go (incidentally owned by the Jumanji people) but it's more of a warmup place than a club. Either way, both are only 1,000 entrance so I often rotate between both on weekday nights.

The weekend and weekday scene is completely separate. Jumanji is terrible on weekends. On those days you are well advised to pay more for a "proper" club such as Feria or Muse.

[Carlos100]

(09-21-2014 12:28 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Jumanji is really the only option on weekdays. There used to be more options but most have been closed by the police or otherwise lost popularity. Green Land is another place people go (incidentally owned by the Jumanji people) but it's more of a warmup place than a club. Either way, both are only 1,000 entrance so I often rotate between both on weekday nights.

The weekend and weekday scene is completely separate. Jumanji is terrible on weekends. On those days you are well advised to pay more for a "proper" club such as Feria or Muse.

I take it all the Gaspanics are closed or dead now? Those used to be reliable stand-bys on weeknights.

[FretDancer]

(09-21-2014 12:28 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Jumanji is really the only option on weekdays. There used to be more options but most have been closed by the police or otherwise lost popularity. Green Land is another place people go (incidentally owned by the Jumanji people) but it's more of a warmup place than a club. Either way, both are only 1,000 entrance so I often rotate between both on weekday nights.

The weekend and weekday scene is completely separate. Jumanji is terrible on weekends. On those days you are well advised to pay more for a "proper" club such as Feria or Muse.

Why did the police close them? I have been to Tokyo before, and one thing I don't get it is how nobody does anything about those Nigerians on the street constantly bothering people. This is even an area near many embassies!

Unbelievable.

[Bushido]

Yeah gas panic has mostly gone except the one in Shibuya. The others have all closed or changed name. Not the same venue anymore.

Police don't close the Nigerian bars because they are being paid off by the Yakuza who own them (behind every Nigerian is a Japanese mafioso pulling the strings). You get drugged and ripped off - the criminals and police split the money.

Digressing slightly here, but it surprises me that Japan ranks with Norway and Singapore as "least corrupt country" in the world and yet blatant corruption and dirty tricks continue daily. Perhaps the global corruption index guys ask the wrong questions.

[Bushido]

Oh they closed lots of clubs because of Ishihara, the asshole former mayor of Tokyo who launched a moralistic campaign to enforce an ancient and previously ignored "no dancing" law. Basically, this law is being used by the police as an excuse to close any club who doesn't do exactly what they want (or maybe who doesn't pay enough in bribes). Supposedly the National Diet are going to repeal the law but I wouldn't hold my breath. These things take time and Japanese politics is very unstable of late.

By the way, Jumanji is a late club. Nobody goes before 2am so maybe hit some other places beforehand to warm up. Green Land keeps going till past 8am so that is always an option.

[FretDancer]

(09-21-2014 07:10 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Yeah gas panic has mostly gone except the one in Shibuya. The others have all closed or changed name. Not the same venue anymore.

Police don't close the Nigerian bars because they are being paid off by the Yakuza who own them (behind every Nigerian is a Japanese mafioso pulling the strings). You get drugged and ripped off - the criminals and police split the money.

Digressing slightly here, but it surprises me that Japan ranks with Norway and Singapore as "least corrupt country" in the world and yet blatant corruption and dirty tricks continue daily. Perhaps the global corruption index guys ask the wrong questions.

Ok makes sense, but I still don't get who on their right mind would go along with those Nigerians. Jesus.

[Carlos100]

(09-21-2014 07:24 AM)FretDancer Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 07:10 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Yeah gas panic has mostly gone except the one in Shibuya. The others have all closed or changed name. Not the same venue anymore.

Police don't close the Nigerian bars because they are being paid off by the Yakuza who own them (behind every Nigerian is a Japanese mafioso pulling the strings). You get drugged and ripped off - the criminals and police split the money.

Digressing slightly here, but it surprises me that Japan ranks with Norway and Singapore as "least corrupt country" in the world and yet blatant corruption and dirty tricks continue daily. Perhaps the global corruption index guys ask the wrong questions.

Ok makes sense, but I still don't get who on their right mind would go along with those Nigerians. Jesus.

It mainly happens to drunk foreigners. The Nigerian comes up and smiles and says in a relaxed and friendly manner, "Hey man, I know a bar with plenty of girls and first two drinks are free, why don't you give it a try? Let's go."

[WalterBlack]

I bumped into a total player I haven’t seen for a couple of years last night. This guy has killed it wherever he goes with women. He’s a 6’4” black American guy, good looking with a Will Smith vibe. Looks wise he’s probably an 8. He’s 43 years old but still has the party vibe and is in shape.

I spoke to him about Tokyo and he told me how he picked up girls at the subway station - he would stand in front of a map in the train station, and then he would ask random women for help to get to his hotel room. After they told him how to get there, he would go super direct and say, something like, “Do you want to go my hotel room with me?” A few of them did! I believed this guy – he’s not full of shit and I’ve seen him pull in LA. The guy was only there for a week and I remember one of the Japanese girls coming to visit him in LA. He said, ”Some guys go on a trip and come back with souvenirs – I come back with women!”

As an aside, he told me about Australia. He said he was there 7 months and he banged 24 women. He said he was in beast mode for gaming. At lunch time he would try and get a number, at happy hour he would try and get a number, and at the club he would try and get a number (or bang). He said if you do that for 7 days in a row, then you get 21 numbers – the odds are that you’ll have good chance at banging at least one of them sooner or later.

He now lives in a beach town in LA, and he told me he was banging a 22yr old volleyball player for most of the summer.

[Biologist]

(09-21-2014 01:59 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

It mainly happens to drunk foreigners. The Nigerian comes up and smiles and says in a relaxed and friendly manner, "Hey man, I know a bar with plenty of girls and first two drinks are free, why don't you give it a try? Let's go."

There are heaps of Nigerian guys who do this in Roppongi and Kabukicho, and they really ruin the vibe of these areas.

I remember once walking near Roppongi Crossing and one Nigerian guy started to try to convince me to go to a bar. I told him that I wasn't interested and he followed me for about 20 metres down the road, telling me that he was going to give me a "special opening price" and showing me pamphlets with pictures of girls in bikinis. Geez...

There was even a sign in Roppongi warning promoters not to aggressively approach people walking by, but the police don't seem to care.

[FretDancer]

(09-22-2014 08:17 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I bumped into a total player I haven’t seen for a couple of years last night. This guy has killed it wherever he goes with women. He’s a 6’4” black American guy, good looking with a Will Smith vibe. Looks wise he’s probably an 8. He’s 43 years old but still has the party vibe and is in shape.

I spoke to him about Tokyo and he told me how he picked up girls at the subway station - he would stand in front of a map in the train station, and then he would ask random women for help to get to his hotel room. After they told him how to get there, he would go super direct and say, something like, “Do you want to go my hotel room with me?” A few of them did! I believed this guy – he’s not full of shit and I’ve seen him pull in LA. The guy was only there for a week and I remember one of the Japanese girls coming to visit him in LA. He said, ”Some guys go on a trip and come back with souvenirs – I come back with women!”

Wow, maybe I should try this one.

(09-23-2014 06:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 01:59 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

It mainly happens to drunk foreigners. The Nigerian comes up and smiles and says in a relaxed and friendly manner, "Hey man, I know a bar with plenty of girls and first two drinks are free, why don't you give it a try? Let's go."

There are heaps of Nigerian guys who do this in Roppongi and Kabukicho, and they really ruin the vibe of these areas.

I remember once walking near Roppongi Crossing and one Nigerian guy started to try to convince me to go to a bar. I told him that I wasn't interested and he followed me for about 20 metres down the road, telling me that he was going to give me a "special opening price" and showing me pamphlets with pictures of girls in bikinis. Geez...

There was even a sign in Roppongi warning promoters not to aggressively approach people walking by, but the police don't seem to care.

Exactly, these guys are beyond annoying. I ran into some semi aggressive lebanese, turks or I don't know where from guys too.

[Pilgrim37]

How are these Nigerian even allowed to stay there...if they're on the street surely the authorities know about it.....first flight out surely?!

[FretDancer]

(09-23-2014 10:31 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

How are these Nigerian even allowed to stay there...if they're on the street surely the authorities know about it.....first flight out surely?!

Another question: Are these Nigerians the ones that are cleaning up ala Black Passenger Yellow Cabs style?

[Carlos100]

(09-23-2014 12:12 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

Another question: Are these Nigerians the ones that are cleaning up ala Black Passenger Yellow Cabs style?

Maybe. The guy in Yellow cabs was Jamaican, worked a day job, and had some fairly good game, at least as he tells it. These guys are up all night on the street. They probably hit the barfly women who inhabit the miso shobai world of 4-6 a.m. I think many of them are likely married to Japanese women which allows them to stay in Japan and probably gives them some leverage to keep the police off their backs.

There used to be, in the 90s, a lot of Iranians selling drugs on the street in Tokyo. Eventually, the police did a few sweeps, deported or detained most of them, and they disappeared. Likely the same thing will eventually happen to the Nigerians and they will be replaced by some other country.

[Menace]

Who here is still in Tokyo? I'm going to be there end of October...would be cool to meet up.

[zanetti]

I'm still in Tokyo and happy to meet up. I am planning a trip to Hokkaido end of october but will be around otherwise.

[zanetti]

Well, my departure from Japan is at hand. My language course is coming to an end and it's time to move on. It's been a great year with lots of adventures in- and outside of Japan and I don't regret one bit having quit my job and leaving everything behind to come here. It's been fascinating experiencing Japanese culture and cuisine, and after a slow start things ended up going very well with the j-girls as well. I haven't updated this thread for a while because I've been seeing a couple of girls on the regular and there wasn't really anything to update.

In summary, in the year I have been here I have visited:

-South Korea
-Taiwan
-Philippines
-Singapore
-Thailand
-Cambodia
-Vietnam
-USA
-Mexico
-and lots of travelling inside Japan of course including Hokkaido and Okinawa

and captured these flags:

-Japan
-Taiwan
-Cambodia
-Vietnam
-Philippines
-Mexico

I will be heading home for the holidays and will then be looking for a new job, ideally in Dubai or Singapore, to make some quick money for the ol' "retirement fund".

In terms of j-girls, IME once you've figured out how it works here and you're set up logistically it's relatively easy getting with cute girls. Having said that, I know of several guys in my language course who have had 0.0 success with them and not for lack of trying. With good Japanese language skills, your results will increase exponentially. I got with 3 girls who spoke next to no English whatsoever. The others all spoke English from an intermediate to advanced level.

To guys planning on coming here, feel free to ask me any questions and がんばって！

Z

[RawGod]

(09-23-2014 01:28 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 12:12 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

Another question: Are these Nigerians the ones that are cleaning up ala Black Passenger Yellow Cabs style?

Maybe. The guy in Yellow cabs was Jamaican, worked a day job, and had some fairly good game, at least as he tells it. These guys are up all night on the street. They probably hit the barfly women who inhabit the miso shobai world of 4-6 a.m. I think many of them are likely married to Japanese women which allows them to stay in Japan and probably gives them some leverage to keep the police off their backs.

There used to be, in the 90s, a lot of Iranians selling drugs on the street in Tokyo. Eventually, the police did a few sweeps, deported or detained most of them, and they disappeared. Likely the same thing will eventually happen to the Nigerians and they will be replaced by some other country.

The police are corrupt as all hell in Japan. Nigerians, yakuza and cops are all interlocked in ways only god himself knows. It's disgusting and like a third world country.

[Carlos100]

Good luck in your future travels zanetti. I'm happy that you cracked the code for how to enjoy your stay here and was able to travel around and see and experience lots of great things.

Apropos to RawGod's post above:

Quote:

Kick out the touts who rule Roppongi
by Gregory Clark
Dec 3, 2014

The 1964 Olympics saw Tokyo embark on major improvements to show its best face to foreign visitors. We are told similar efforts are under way for the 2020 games. Or are they? A recent visit to that mecca for many foreign visitors, Roppongi, raised a few doubts.

True, a rebuilding rush has helped remove some of the grotty bars and cheap eateries that used to cluster in slum-like existence near the Roppongi intersection area, the main tourist hangout. But little has been done about the blight of the mostly African touts that infest the area. Those of us who have to live here accept this state of affairs grudgingly. But what would a foreign visitor feel as he or she tries to pass through that nightly nightmare of arrogant contempt for civilized behavior?

The police have put up notices in the area warning against touting. We are even asked to report any such incidents. But if you think this is going to make things better then think again. Most of those former touts now simply group by the roadside or lurk in entrances and passageways.

And if some touting continues, do not waste your time reporting it. You will be in for a very humiliating experience, as I discovered recently.

I had assumed that the request to report touting was a police device not just to clean up the area but also to give them a chance to do something about other illegal activities in the area. So when recently I was rather unpleasantly touted, I not only had words with the offender, but also said I would be reporting the incident to the police. Immediately a horde of his friends descended on me with the usual offensive racist slurs and insults handed out to anyone who challenges their right to rule the Roppongi intersection area.

Leaving the pandemonium behind me, I managed to reach the safety of the second floor in the large and well-staffed Azabu police station, which is responsible for keeping order in Roppongi. Two youngish plainclothes officers heard me out, made sympathetic noises and even checked the videos wired in from the overhead cameras they had in the area. Sure enough, they had a picture of the villain doing his thing. They said they would go with me back to the scene of the incident, armed with pistols and handcuffs, and get me to identify him.

But when we got there my two police escorts did nothing. They agreed there were the warnings against touting — one was posted to a lamppost right beside the offender — but touting was not a legal offense, they said. All they could do was reprimand the offender and tell him to behave better in the future. But before they could even do that, another ugly crowd had descended on us, hurling even worse insults, including one advising me to go off and die. Was that not a crime, I asked?

Once again, my escorts said no. There was nothing they could do to prevent those people from saying whatever they liked to passers-by, provided they did not block their way.

Well, I suggested, why not at least check their identities? That might serve as some kind of warning.

But once again my brave escorts declined. The hecklers almost certainly would all have valid visas, they said.

So there is no point making the standard foreigner registration checks that we normal foreign residents in Japan have to suffer if anything untoward occurs? I asked. And with that, the two escorts returned to base.

At this point I decided that I’d had enough. Japan has a system whereby if anyone lodges what is called a higai todoke — a report of injury suffered — the police are in theory obliged to accept the report and take appropriate action.

In my case the “suffering” (higai) had been the insults my companion and I had had to endure. And I knew from past news reports that telling people to die (shine), a term often used in ijime (bullying) or extortion offenses, was seen as especially serious. So back to the Azabu station I went, this time to make my formal complaint.

I explained carefully my purpose. Obviously I myself had not “suffered” greatly from the clamoring and insults of the horde (though my companion had); for me it was just an escalation of the usual unpleasantness we all suffer when we pass through that intersection area. My purpose was other: I assumed the police were as anxious as all of us to clean up the mess around the intersection, but could not move unless they had formal complaints or evidence. So I was making the formal complaint that would give them the excuse to move. What’s more, I could identify the worst offender: He was wearing a conspicuous baseball cap. I would be happy to go back there and find “baseball cap.”

For a moment the mood in Azabu police station turned serious (up till then there had been much smirking and muttering all around). They would go and consult with their legal expert on the third floor, they said.

But after a long wait I was told no: The expert (whom I never got to meet) had said there was no legal basis for them to receive my higai todoke. But if I wished, we could all go back and find baseball cap to give him a formal dressing down.

Sure enough, by the time we got back to the scene, baseball cap had disappeared. But his friends were still there, and even noisier than before. Nor were they impressed by the pistols and handcuffs my two plainclothes escorts were still carrying.

Eventually, a tall Nigerian appeared, towering over my pint-sized escorts. They assured me the giant meant no harm; indeed, because he spoke reasonable Japanese, the police often relied on him to keep order. And, sure enough, the riot did gradually begin to die down.

Peace restored, my two escorts shook the Nigerian warmly by the hand and once again headed back to base.

So there we had it. Not only were the police not interested in cleaning up this blot on Japan’s reputation, but they were even relying on one of the blot-makers to do their job for them.

What to do? Perhaps one idea would be to assign more senior officers to that Azabu station. And make sure they can at least match the height and bulk of those hecklers. And keep them in uniforms. Some counter-intimidation seems needed.

[RawGod]

^ I hope for his sake Gregory Clark is just playing dumb because you can't actually publish accusations of corruption outright. In any case, he should realise that Japanese cops have zero interest in looking after the wellbeing of random foreigners.