[DaveR]

Based on a quick skim over this thread.. you're living somewhere you can't bring women back to in hick town in the Urals, you don't want to dress properly, you have no intentions of staying there long-term, you won't lie... and you expect to smash prime pussy!?! In one post you mentioned only being interested in classy girls, but in another you've written that you plan to smash in a by-the-hour hotel.

I think I'm as confused as the girls you're talking to must be. It kind of sounds like you're looking for a 6-foot tall midget.

What are you trying to achieve?

[jimukr104]

"I dedicated some time to online dating – I used to be very good at it back when I was in college."

We are close to age.....I don't remember even having internet while in college.
That being said...again I am confused.
You said you only wanted girls that are young..but are contacting old broads.
You said you are Not looking to date FSU girls for LTR and aren't looking for LTR..but you clearly state in your last post you are looking for LTR.

Seems like you changing back and forth but the only consistent thing is "I don't want low scale sluts , only want upscale women". But how does it matter if you aren't going to keep a ltr?

and then there's this:
"In one post you mentioned only being interested in classy girls, but in another you've written that you plan to smash in a by-the-hour hotel."
Why don't you pay a girl in Urals rather than go to Thailand?After all you know where the pay by hour hotel's are!

[TripleG]

Wayout, your posts are bordering on being not believable. I admit I have cold approach anxiety like yourself and usually need to be buzzed to day game but at least I do something about it. Like you I am neither young nor tall but I hit on 6-7s overseas and do OK. They are still better than most women in US. So, since you're not an alpha male and an A gamer you need to lower your standards a bit (every girl you went on a date you claim was 8+) and just start night gaming every night, forget about the formal dances or pursuing "upper class" society women which you tend to blame your misfortunes on, just go where the party is. Ask the locals (taxi drivers) what's happening during the night, tip well, try to lock down a local joint(GManifesto) style and set that up as your base of operations; again if need be tip the house staff well, ask them to put in a few good words about you to the patrons and also ask around when ladies nights are happening and go there. I guarantee your success rate will go up.

Finally, based on your posts and lack of self-esteem / confidence I can tell that you are an introvert and have made the mistake of traveling solo. You need someone to "bring you out of your shell". Many players don't do that well when traveling solo and I believe if you could have had a capable wingman your success rate would go much higher, especially since you could approach mixed groups & sets easier. I almost feel that when you're not dancing you're basically a "wallflower" at some of these clubs. Again, reread Slubu's legendary post on Russia. I don't necessarily recommend flashing the California ID or buying table service everywhere you go BUT if there's one thing I learned from those stories is that one has to make going out almost like a job...you have to put your hours in, no matter whether you're sick, sleepy, tired, or depressed...eventually the hard work will pay off.

[lavidaloca]

Wayout still hasn't got a bang? I read this first thread in early December I'm pretty sure, banged my way around Holguin and Havana for 32 days, wrote exams and he still hasn't got a bang?

I think this is beginning to border on unbelievable and the guy is trying to write a novel or something.

[Merenguero]

(02-03-2014 10:39 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Wayout still hasn't got a bang? I read this first thread in early December I'm pretty sure, banged my way around Holguin and Havana for 32 days, wrote exams and he still hasn't got a bang?

I think this is beginning to border on unbelievable and the guy is trying to write a novel or something.

I'm not really sure what's going on here. Wayout said that he is introverted and has approach anxiety. Guys who are completely unable to approach basically have two options, social circle and internet dating. From Wayout's posts, I highly doubt he has a strong social circle (Neither do I and I'm not a big fan of social circle game anyway). This basically leaves the lone option of internet dating. I have very little experience in internet dating, but it seems like it may be the only option for this guy. If he is not going that route, I am quite curious as to why not. Personally, cold approaching seems to be by far the best option for me for a variety of reasons and I'm likely more introverted than most, or even all, of the other guys on here. I'm just able to flip the switch when I need to.

[jimukr104]

(02-03-2014 10:59 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:39 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Wayout still hasn't got a bang? I read this first thread in early December I'm pretty sure, banged my way around Holguin and Havana for 32 days, wrote exams and he still hasn't got a bang?

I think this is beginning to border on unbelievable and the guy is trying to write a novel or something.

I'm not really sure what's going on here. Wayout said that he is introverted and has approach anxiety. Guys who are completely unable to approach basically have two options, social circle and internet dating. From Wayout's posts, I highly doubt he has a strong social circle (Neither do I and I'm not a big fan of social circle game anyway). This basically leaves the lone option of internet dating. I have very little experience in internet dating, but it seems like it may be the only option for this guy. If he is not going that route, I am quite curious as to why not. Personally, cold approaching seems to be by far the best option for me for a variety of reasons and I'm likely more introverted than most, or even all, of the other guys on here. I'm just able to flip the switch when I need to.

Unfortunately internet gaming isn't strong or great in FSU.....cold approaching is best.
The main mistake I SEE is only going to socials and of course caring about them being high class. West coast wrote a whole post about how dance socials are NOT good for hooking.

[DaveR]

I'm also an introvert but I find that Russian girls are very forgiving of it, sometimes even giving preference to that personality type. After saying that, "introvert" does not mean vagina-man who lives in his mother's basement at 35 years of age. Russia already has plenty of guys like that, and the girls hate them. Putin is the classic example of a strong-but-quiet personality who can do much better in Russia than in other 'European' countries.

I think some extroverts would probably struggle in the North, because I often hear girls up here say that Italians are too "emotional." Another reason is that they really look down on stupidity. For example, guys whose game is to play the dumb clown role (like Jim Carey) would probably struggle.

Blaming Russia/Ukraine is IMO just a cover for some kind of personal issue. Take a look at some of Courage Reborn's threads for proof... he landed in Kiev with 0 cultural understanding but was absolutely killing it within two weeks. From what I gather, he's methodical about it, puts in the time and effort to pipeline and cold approach, and as a result... gets to smash prime pussy.

I find that online + social circle (combined) works well for me, but you have to know which sites to use and it varies from one city to another. It's also not very efficient when compared to cold approaching, but I have no other way to burn my free time while I'm watching the money markets.
Mamba was good in Kiev a few years ago, but I'm not sure now. In other cities (e.g.. SPB), 99% of the girls on Mamba are looking for P4P in some form (prostitution, sponsorship, holidays, serial daters, etc.), so it's a waste of time in that city.
I found my main girl in Kiev a few years ago on Mamba... (she's Armenian, in case anyone was wondering)
   

[rudebwoy]

Girl #2 was DTF, that much I can tell you. She was aggressive to meet because she probably doesn't have options like American girls. I have NEVER heard of a girl wanting to meet so fast after a initial conversation.
She asked you what you wanted, did you ask her what she wanted?
Did you compliment her?
Did you try to touch her?
I am sure she either thought you were not interested or strange.
Yes, the logistics did not help but you still had a chance.
I thought you said there are some places you can rent on a short term basis.

[Pilgrim37]

" Too many choices, but also ,too much noise and hindered ability to make a real connection with anyone"

Very true in every Western country me thinks...maybe East too with iPhone and Internet!

[jimukr104]

"For example, guys whose game is to play the dumb clown role (like Jim Carey) would probably struggle"

Funny because a large part of their humor deals with slap stick...like the French!But drinking is the excuse.
They like extroverts but a Russian extrovert when sober is = to an American introvert. They are a stoic race!

Wayout has to stop looking at these socials as prime locations. It seems everyone knows one another and many even have BF's.
It also probably hurts him that they seem him there multiple times per week...same place.If he fucks up with one...they ALL might know.

But more important..Wayout has NO IDEA WHAT HE WANTS!

He says a few posts back that MANY want him , but they told him for long term (ltr). He says he won't lie and refuses to lead them on. Fine.... but now he says he wants LTR?I know I SUFFER from reading comprehension issues..but am I missing something?
He also never told us his gaming lines.I am still NOT sure how he presents himself. If he really speaks with no accent and says he's American they might think hes a local trying to be a big shot. They are paranoid like that.
Then when they see him under dressed..they say YES hes just a wannabe local!

As for his social issues...I think most players(pua) have issues..or else they would NEVER get into game in the first place.I blame American socialization though.
I might understand Wayouts problem being of Russain ancestry myself..but at least in NYC we are a dime a dozen .I usually don't do well with Americans. I am NOT there type, they love Anglo-waspy pretty boys like Hollywood sells them lol.I n Europe its a different picture!
We joke about Asians being at the low part of the totem pole(IRT lol), but actually MOST Americans don't think highly of Russians.I guess its the whole cold war crap.I take it he grew up in REAL USA. he probably stood out as a minority. Cultures that are highly about feminism , political correctness and western bullshit is NOT a good fit for us.I can only imagine what his teachers thought of him when his parents came to open school meetings lol. Take me away from Nyc, Miami, Philly or Las Vegas and I would probably get lynched. It would be like MY COUSIN VINNY PART 2 lol.
I think his upbringing has led to his awkwardness and he hoped that he could do well with HIS OWN PEOPLE , whom he himself has been brainwashed NOT to like. He actually said he doesn't like THEM or want them for LTR(although now he does lol). That's his problem right there..... he HATES his kind. You see it in his posts. Interestingly he is doing the traditional FSU culture thing of assigning Blame on everybody /thing else.
i think he looks for faults in everything over there. He reminds me of the self loathing Jews. I have met many..they seem to hate their own culture, etc.

[rudebwoy]

DaveR - your main girl is stunning.

+1 from me.

[DaveR]

(02-04-2014 10:15 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Girl #2 was DTF, that much I can tell you. She was aggressive to meet because she probably doesn't have options like American girls. I have NEVER heard of a girl wanting to meet so fast after a initial conversation.
She asked you what you wanted, did you ask her what she wanted?
Did you compliment her?
Did you try to touch her?
I am sure she either thought you were not interested or strange.
Yes, the logistics did not help but you still had a chance.
I thought you said there are some places you can rent on a short term basis.

I agree, and I would add that a girl asking "do you live alone?" is a very strong signal. Obviously it's better to have good logistics to start with, but you can easily turn it around... For example:

"I'm staying with a family." -- she thinks "we're never going to have sex"

"I've been staying with a family so I can get plenty of language practice, but I'm getting my own place real soon. Sometimes I rent a place out of the city on the weekends to get some time alone." -- she thinks "we'll go away on the weekend and have sex"


It's easy to cockblock yourself if you don't manage her expectations... she needs to know that you have a place where you can be alone. I often drop the hint by saying that I live alone and it's boring. With younger girls who still live with their parents, my usual line is: "everyone wants to live alone, but what they don't realise is that it's boring sometimes. You have to invite friends* over to watch movies and cook pancakes."
* in Russian there's a word for male friends and another for female friends. I use the female one so she starts to think about coming over.

(02-04-2014 11:34 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

DaveR - your main girl is stunning.

+1 from me.

Thanks! But she isn't my main girl now as these days I'm not in Kiev - now in St. Petersburg and have a different main girl.

[Wayout]

Thank you for your feedback...I agree that my wants and desires change all the time. I know what I want - a nice Midwestern girl,all the way USA! I just don't see myself with someone from a different culture long term. I could have found a wife by now in SEA or Brazil or Mexico if I was into them.
What the hell am I doing in Russia you might ask - well, I was suffering from anxiety and I thought if I change my life around and move to a completely different environment - I will change. There are no medical issues with my brain,so all of the anxiety is in my head.
I do want to concur day-game and come back to the US with experience. I thought Russia will be easy for me. I am not that interested in fast sex or banging girls I have nothing in common with. I do look for a connection - hence I confuse people on here. I want to find a mini LTR ( like a month long),possibly with several girls. I need her to like me to enjoy sex. BUT...at the same time ,if some girl throws herself at me - I will take that too!..lol
I speak fluent Russian but my American humor is not understood here. Oftentimes girls tell me I said something offensive to them - while I thought I was being cocky-funny. All that college age humor that worked for me in the US - bombs in Russia!Russian guys seem to be plain,boring and not saying much at all.
Oh and by the way, I never tell them I'm American until they ask me why I have a little accent or how come I don't work? I tell them the truth though - exactly what I told you. I think it's part of accepting yourself,being comfortable who you are- women find it refreshing (in theory). I had many long conversations with local women about what they want in life,their goals..etc. Very fascinating to me!

Oh and yes,girl #2 was DTF! I wasn't prepared I admit it. I was planing more on 2-3 dates and then hit up the sauna! Until now - logistics didn't play much of a role anyway. My goal was to cold approach and get better at it - not to get laid.

[Menace]

Come on, this is nonsense.

[el mechanico]

(02-04-2014 05:19 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Come on, this is nonsense.

I can barely read this thread for more than a few sentences at a time it's so cringeworthy but yet I'm here.

Edit: The more I think about it there's now way this is or real, it's almost impossible.

[Merenguero]

(02-04-2014 05:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 05:19 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Come on, this is nonsense.

I can barely read this thread for more than a few sentences at a time it's so cringeworthy but yet I'm here.

Mech, if he likes Midwesterners, maybe he should go to Clearwater Beach and you can meet up with him. If anyone could benefit from a meet-up, I think it would be this guy.

[DaveR]

I think you need to try NoFap for half a year and also get your testosterone levels in order... maybe take a booster for a few months. Also get a psych to check if you have some kind of autism or Asperger's syndrome.

Even from one sentence to the next, what you write doesn't make any sense... Eg: "I just don't see myself with someone from a different culture long term. I could have found a wife by now in SEA or Brazil or Mexico if I was into them."
Those two sentences contradict each other.

[jimukr104]

(02-04-2014 05:04 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

Thank you for your feedback...I agree that my wants and desires change all the time. I know what I want - a nice Midwestern girl,all the way USA! I just don't see myself with someone from a different culture long term. I could have found a wife by now in SEA or Brazil or Mexico if I was into them.
What the hell am I doing in Russia you might ask - well, I was suffering from anxiety and I thought if I change my life around and move to a completely different environment - I will change. There are no medical issues with my brain,so all of the anxiety is in my head.
I do want to concur day-game and come back to the US with experience. I thought Russia will be easy for me. I am not that interested in fast sex or banging girls I have nothing in common with. I do look for a connection - hence I confuse people on here. I want to find a mini LTR ( like a month long),possibly with several girls. I need her to like me to enjoy sex. BUT...at the same time ,if some girl throws herself at me - I will take that too!..lol
I speak fluent Russian but my American humor is not understood here. Oftentimes girls tell me I said something offensive to them - while I thought I was being cocky-funny. All that college age humor that worked for me in the US - bombs in Russia!Russian guys seem to be plain,boring and not saying much at all.
Oh and by the way, I never tell them I'm American until they ask me why I have a little accent or how come I don't work? I tell them the truth though - exactly what I told you. I think it's part of accepting yourself,being comfortable who you are- women find it refreshing (in theory). I had many long conversations with local women about what they want in life,their goals..etc. Very fascinating to me!

Oh and yes,girl #2 was DTF! I wasn't prepared I admit it. I was planing more on 2-3 dates and then hit up the sauna! Until now - logistics didn't play much of a role anyway. My goal was to cold approach and get better at it - not to get laid.

lol ..my backseat psychoanalysis was right.
Honestly part of winning is desire..you cock block yourself if you DON'T like them. You don't have to respect them(or any women) but like/inner desire is important. Its like going on a job interview for a job you don't want!

[Brosemite]

^^^ DaveR - Not to mention I find the mid-upper tier Brazilian women more insular with essentially non-existent English levels

[rishboy77]

(02-04-2014 05:04 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

I speak fluent Russian but my American humor is not understood here. Oftentimes girls tell me I said something offensive to them - while I thought I was being cocky-funny.

This part I believe. LOL
Little wonder I'm always drinking or getting high, in order to be able to spend a extended period time with most Slavic women as the mentality is so different.

[jimukr104]

(02-04-2014 06:09 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 05:04 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

I speak fluent Russian but my American humor is not understood here. Oftentimes girls tell me I said something offensive to them - while I thought I was being cocky-funny.

This part I believe. LOL
Little wonder I'm always drinking or getting high, in order to be able to spend a extended period time with most Slavic women as the mentality is so different.

Well...forget that cocky funny BS. Bang Ukraine it was mentioned to forget that.
Russians/Ukrainians like short story /anecdotes.Considering you speak Russian you should have no problem reading some and mesmerizing them Dark humor works.
But cocky makes no sense to them coming from a man. You are surppose to me a MAN! Sure of yourself..not arrogant or trying to be conceited. A Russian man wouldn't boost about anything except MONEY/materialism.But that shows they are a provider..necessary for mating.All you show is that your un humble and arrogant if you do that.
Compliments work. A man who doesn't compliment them is NOT a man. I am NOT saying go overboard but if you want her to recognize you as a MAN, how can you NOT recognize her as a woman?
Seriously it seems you went over there practicing that political correctness nonsense and trying to treat them like American FEMINISTS.We should wage war on YOU for bringing that shit over there! lol
Treat them how the story books show you how! They actually want prince charming ,its NOT a cliche over there. In return you will get a princess!

[draguer]

Despite the incoherence a lot of good value has been dropped in this thread.

Agreed that vibing best with FSU girls requires a complete mental re-frame from when you're with Western feminist-influenced types.

[Onto]

Wayout - I think everything you said was very believable and understandable. It takes guts to write about one's failures. If people fault you for being all over the place, it's because your being absolutely honest about what you're feeling. Real feeling about experiences ARE all over the place. Hope, excitement, despair, regret, anger, revenge. ALL that can go through ones being in a few moments at the craps table…especially when there's something real at stake.

It's been said, "Wherever you go you take yourself with you" and through your posts you've reminded me of that as I gear up for my future trip.

It's also been said, "You need to go through it, before you can see through it". And it sounds like you've seen a lot and learned a lot about yourself in this adventure.

Another benefit of your forthright posting, is that it gave the seasoned vets an opportunity to shed wisdom that's very much needed.

So, thanks for thread it's been a great read.

[TripleG]

(02-04-2014 05:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 05:19 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Come on, this is nonsense.

I can barely read this thread for more than a few sentences at a time it's so cringeworthy but yet I'm here.

Edit: The more I think about it there's now way this is or real, it's almost impossible.

Steve Carell was a "40 year old Virgin" so anything is possible

[DaveR]

(02-04-2014 05:04 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

Oftentimes girls tell me I said something offensive to them - while I thought I was being cocky-funny.

Out of interest... can you give some examples of what you said that offended them?