[Wayout]

The reason I don’t name the place is search engines. I am the only American here as far as I know, and certainly, the only American who speaks Russian and is a salsa dancer! So connecting the dots ( or in reality I am the single dot)) would be way too easy. I don’t want to be discovered by the locals. This would destroy my already weak game or I could end up on the news like RooshV. If you really need to know I can PM it.

Yes I am of the Russian Heritage, grew up in the US. I do have relatives here that's why I decided not to play the exotic American card - some people might think I was faking it. My Russian is very native sounding now. I know logistics are not perfect, but renting your own apartment is expensive- about 600-800USD for a 1 bdr in the center. For now it is an OK option. If I do get a girlfriend – it’s not going to be a problem. They have apartment rentals by the hour and those cool steamy saunas that are also widely available. Now that would be a dream – to relax with a naked girl(s) in a sauna with a small swimming pool,steam room, and mini bar!

What I’ve been concentrating on past two weeks is showing up at various dancing socials and show off my moves,making friends, gaining social proof,teaching my style of dancing..etc. This was like Blitzkrieg! Taking over this snowed in town with Slavic hotties.

My first evening I pipelined a girl on VK and met her at a major salsa dancing venue. We talked for a while,we danced ( nothing flashy was displayed at that point) she was definitely into me, but I used her for social proof only I felt other girls were watching! She introduced me to some of her friends. I also met several girls on my own –all 9s! The surplus of great looking girls makes it easy. Even if there are 10 guys in the venue – there will be 25 girls and 17 of them will be 8+! You can game all you want without competition. I got over 20 girls contacts on VK. If only I had the balls to start sexually escalating!

I got more used to Russian life – snow,cold, bad pedestrian walkways – all gets canceled out by a crowd of 9’s and 8’s in high hills! Seeing me they come and give me a hug and a kiss ( on the cheek). Very Brazilian like. Love it!

Sorry this update was scattered – I need to pack for a trip to Ye-katerin-burg. Getting ready to go dance off tomorrow with The SuperMario himself! Arguably one of the best LA style dancers in the world. Bitches line up to dance with him and acting hysterical! He was mentioned on Roosh several times. He will be in Ye-katerin-burg giving workshops and also doing some social dancing in one of the popular Latin clubs. Russians have never seen anything like this before! It’s ON Supermario!!!

[TripleG]

(12-18-2013 01:02 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

The reason I don’t name the place is search engines. I am the only American here as far as I know, and certainly, the only American who speaks Russian and is a salsa dancer! So connecting the dots ( or in reality I am the single dot)) would be way too easy. I don’t want to be discovered by the locals. This would destroy my already weak game or I could end up on the news like RooshV. If you really need to know I can PM it.

Yes I am of the Russian Heritage, grew up in the US. I do have relatives here that's why I decided not to play the exotic American card - some people might think I was faking it. My Russian is very native sounding now. I know logistics are not perfect, but renting your own apartment is expensive- about 600-800USD for a 1 bdr in the center. For now it is an OK option. If I do get a girlfriend – it’s not going to be a problem. They have apartment rentals by the hour and those cool steamy saunas that are also widely available. Now that would be a dream – to relax with a naked girl(s) in a sauna with a small swimming pool,steam room, and mini bar!

What I’ve been concentrating on past two weeks is showing up at various dancing socials and show off my moves,making friends, gaining social proof,teaching my style of dancing..etc. This was like Blitzkrieg! Taking over this snowed in town with Slavic hotties.

My first evening I pipelined a girl on VK and met her at a major salsa dancing venue. We talked for a while,we danced ( nothing flashy was displayed at that point) she was definitely into me, but I used her for social proof only I felt other girls were watching! She introduced me to some of her friends. I also met several girls on my own –all 9s! The surplus of great looking girls makes it easy. Even if there are 10 guys in the venue – there will be 25 girls and 17 of them will be 8+! You can game all you want without competition. I got over 20 girls contacts on VK. If only I had the balls to start sexually escalating!

I got more used to Russian life – snow,cold, bad pedestrian walkways – all gets canceled out by a crowd of 9’s and 8’s in high hills! Seeing me they come and give me a hug and a kiss ( on the cheek). Very Brazilian like. Love it!

Sorry this update was scattered – I need to pack for a trip to Ye-katerin-burg. Getting ready to go dance off tomorrow with The SuperMario himself! Arguably one of the best LA style dancers in the world. Bitches line up to dance with him and acting hysterical! He was mentioned on Roosh several times. He will be in Ye-katerin-burg giving workshops and also doing some social dancing in one of the popular Latin clubs. Russians have never seen anything like this before! It’s ON Supermario!!!

"Taking over this snowed in town with Slavic hotties."

Wayout, great posts as always. Would love to see more pics. Btw, is anyone even going out in that part of Russia (Ural mountains, near Siberia) in the middle of winter when it's probably -30c and dark by 4pm. Also, just wandering but have you tried to hit regular clubs playing top 40 music. I would assume the younger girls in their 20s would be more impressed with Hip-Hop/Disco dance moves, so have you tried those?

[aphelion]

Super Mario is something else. Surprised he's trolling around in Russia though.

[timmy21]

In regards to the exotic factor, what language to use when chatting up the locals. What works best for me, absolutely; without a doubt, is speaking the local language. I haven't totally mastered Russian, but I know more than enough of the local language (including some slang) to simply tell a girl she has big beautiful blue eyes, beautiful long black hair, a great ass, or whatever. The exotic factor comes into play with my strong western US accent, girls here tell me all the time that my accent is 'super', 'klass.' I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, there's absolutely no way I can get rid of it, and I don't want to; because as far as I'm concerned, that's what makes it very exotic, interesting and exciting for these girls.

[iknowexactly]

(12-17-2013 01:01 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

they want his location to MOVE in on his turf....say strong Wayout.
OP rent an apt..can't be so much there.

@IKNOWEXACTLY you have a link to your thread about your experiences?

No but it was basically a crooked crazy woman landlord who found someone who'd pay more and illegally had her whole family ( husband, son) come and physically evict me from the apartment even when I had a week more already paid for. They refused to let me take all my belongings, basically robbing me at the same time.

One factor may have been at the lease signing she was so irritable and demanding I didn't make sure she had signed the lease, so she felt safe doing that.

I wasn't seriously hurt, just pushed around, but my rage over the mistreatment ate at me and as described above I had a lot of trouble freeing myself of very troubling, violent thoughts of revenge. I probably would have done something, but to do so in a foreign country was irrationally risky.

Russians/Slavs/Ukrainians can really be bullies. Stalin killed at least as many innocents as Hitler. They like to gang up on you.

[scotian]

(12-21-2013 01:58 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  

In regards to the exotic factor, what language to use when chatting up the locals. What works best for me, absolutely; without a doubt, is speaking the local language. I haven't totally mastered Russian, but I know more than enough of the local language (including some slang) to simply tell a girl she has big beautiful blue eyes, beautiful long black hair, a great ass, or whatever. The exotic factor comes into play with my strong western US accent, girls here tell me all the time that my accent is 'super', 'klass.' I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, there's absolutely no way I can get rid of it, and I don't want to; because as far as I'm concerned, that's what makes it very exotic, interesting and exciting for these girls.

Is it an American accent, or an English accent? I wonder if I took up Russian, would I speak the language with a Canadian accent?

[SpecialEd]

(12-21-2013 04:21 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 01:58 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  

In regards to the exotic factor, what language to use when chatting up the locals. What works best for me, absolutely; without a doubt, is speaking the local language. I haven't totally mastered Russian, but I know more than enough of the local language (including some slang) to simply tell a girl she has big beautiful blue eyes, beautiful long black hair, a great ass, or whatever. The exotic factor comes into play with my strong western US accent, girls here tell me all the time that my accent is 'super', 'klass.' I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, there's absolutely no way I can get rid of it, and I don't want to; because as far as I'm concerned, that's what makes it very exotic, interesting and exciting for these girls.

Is it an American accent, or an English accent? I wonder if I took up Russian, would I speak the language with a Canadian accent?

Many Americans have trouble distinguishing an American and Anglo-Canadian accent so I doubt a Russian could tell. In my experience, even when speaking English, Europeans are laughably bad at determining where you come from in the Anglosphere.

[presidentcarter]

(12-21-2013 10:43 AM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 04:21 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 01:58 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  

In regards to the exotic factor, what language to use when chatting up the locals. What works best for me, absolutely; without a doubt, is speaking the local language. I haven't totally mastered Russian, but I know more than enough of the local language (including some slang) to simply tell a girl she has big beautiful blue eyes, beautiful long black hair, a great ass, or whatever. The exotic factor comes into play with my strong western US accent, girls here tell me all the time that my accent is 'super', 'klass.' I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, there's absolutely no way I can get rid of it, and I don't want to; because as far as I'm concerned, that's what makes it very exotic, interesting and exciting for these girls.

Is it an American accent, or an English accent? I wonder if I took up Russian, would I speak the language with a Canadian accent?

Many Americans have trouble distinguishing an American and Anglo-Canadian accent so I doubt a Russian could tell. In my experience, even when speaking English, Europeans are laughably bad at determining where you come from in the Anglosphere.

Seconded. With a neutral accent like mine, most Russians have no idea where in the Anglosphere I hail from based on my accent when speaking English. Also, I'm told my Russian pronunciation is quite good, which I think is due to 1) having a neutral English accent and 2) using stuff like Pimsleur and focusing on sounding exactly like the audio.

[jimukr104]

They barely can understand guys from New Zealand, otherwise they seem to under stand all the anglo countries better than American accent. This is due to the fact that they learn british English and America is the only country in Anglosphere that has its own distinct English. Also Americans sound different depending on area of country.

[SpecialEd]

(12-21-2013 12:51 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

They barely can understand guys from New Zealand, otherwise they seem to under stand all the anglo countries better than American accent. This is due to the fact that they learn british English and America is the only country in Anglosphere that has its own distinct English. Also Americans sound different depending on area of country.

Have you been to the U.K? There is no standard 'British accent'. Only a tiny percentage speak received pronunciation. There are more accents than in the U.S and they can be markedly different.

Due to hollywood, a neutral American accent is by a long shot the most easily understood English variety. In EE, many people whined to me about how difficult Brits were to understand.

[scotian]

(12-21-2013 12:18 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 10:43 AM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 04:21 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 01:58 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  

In regards to the exotic factor, what language to use when chatting up the locals. What works best for me, absolutely; without a doubt, is speaking the local language. I haven't totally mastered Russian, but I know more than enough of the local language (including some slang) to simply tell a girl she has big beautiful blue eyes, beautiful long black hair, a great ass, or whatever. The exotic factor comes into play with my strong western US accent, girls here tell me all the time that my accent is 'super', 'klass.' I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, there's absolutely no way I can get rid of it, and I don't want to; because as far as I'm concerned, that's what makes it very exotic, interesting and exciting for these girls.

Is it an American accent, or an English accent? I wonder if I took up Russian, would I speak the language with a Canadian accent?

Many Americans have trouble distinguishing an American and Anglo-Canadian accent so I doubt a Russian could tell. In my experience, even when speaking English, Europeans are laughably bad at determining where you come from in the Anglosphere.

Seconded. With a neutral accent like mine, most Russians have no idea where in the Anglosphere I hail from based on my accent when speaking English. Also, I'm told my Russian pronunciation is quite good, which I think is due to 1) having a neutral English accent and 2) using stuff like Pimsleur and focusing on sounding exactly like the audio.

What I meant by high lighting what Timmy21 wrote I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, is how does a person have an "American accent" when they speak Russian. Wouldn't all native English speakers, whether they're from the USA, Oz, Jamaica, or wherever have the same English sounding accent when they speak Russian?

[Chaos]

(12-21-2013 01:36 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 12:18 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 10:43 AM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 04:21 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 01:58 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  

In regards to the exotic factor, what language to use when chatting up the locals. What works best for me, absolutely; without a doubt, is speaking the local language. I haven't totally mastered Russian, but I know more than enough of the local language (including some slang) to simply tell a girl she has big beautiful blue eyes, beautiful long black hair, a great ass, or whatever. The exotic factor comes into play with my strong western US accent, girls here tell me all the time that my accent is 'super', 'klass.' I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, there's absolutely no way I can get rid of it, and I don't want to; because as far as I'm concerned, that's what makes it very exotic, interesting and exciting for these girls.

Is it an American accent, or an English accent? I wonder if I took up Russian, would I speak the language with a Canadian accent?

Many Americans have trouble distinguishing an American and Anglo-Canadian accent so I doubt a Russian could tell. In my experience, even when speaking English, Europeans are laughably bad at determining where you come from in the Anglosphere.

Seconded. With a neutral accent like mine, most Russians have no idea where in the Anglosphere I hail from based on my accent when speaking English. Also, I'm told my Russian pronunciation is quite good, which I think is due to 1) having a neutral English accent and 2) using stuff like Pimsleur and focusing on sounding exactly like the audio.

What I meant by high lighting what Timmy21 wrote I have a strong American accent when I speak Russian, is how does a person have an "American accent" when they speak Russian. Wouldn't all native English speakers, whether they're from the USA, Oz, Jamaica, or wherever have the same English sounding accent when they speak Russian?

Put George W Bush, Queen Elisabeth,Angus Young, Bob Marley, Steve Irwin, Lemmy Kilmister and Nelson Mandela on series of Russian lessons.

Don't you think you would recognize any accent differences?

[Brodiaga]

If you are from an English speaking country and speak Russian, It would be hard for me to tell what country you are from unless you start speaking English. I would imagine it would be even harder for Russians who live in Russia and speak little or no English.

There are some recognizable accents, though. For example, French, Georgian (country, not state), Armenian. People even mock these accents, so they are easy to recognize.

[TripleG]

(12-21-2013 05:36 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

If you are from an English speaking country and speak Russian, It would be hard for me to tell what country you are from unless you start speaking English. I would imagine it would be even harder for Russians who live in Russia and speak little or no English.

There are some recognizable accents, though. For example, French, Georgian (country, not state), Armenian. People even mock these accents, so they are easy to recognize.

I learned Russian fluently as a child but due to living in boring USA for the last 25+ years forgot a lot so although i have almost no accent when traveling & struggling for non-common words or "freezing" when in long discussions as I search for proper tenses and nouns throws people off-guard and they start guessing where I'm from. I know another American guy who learned Russian as an adult and he tends to speak slow and put too much emphasis on beginning of words (instead of pronouncing words more evenly and softly) and thus frequently get's recognized for having an American accent. I recommend all forum member's to check out "A Good Day to Die Hard" (an awful Bruce Willis movie but one) in which Bruce used a bit of Russian (taxi scene is especially funny).

Although his accent is awful it is really not an understatement of what I saw from some Americans while traveling in EE.

[Chaos]

I recall Russians use to mock Estonians for speaking Russian very slowly.

[trainwreck]

Great that you decided to turn your life around, but you're still making the "I wish I only could" excuse.

Stop giving yourself excuses, read some stuff abotu sexual escalation and just try it out. You can live in a place where people jump to death, you get shot at and drunk driving is the regular thing to do, yet you can't tell a girl simply that "I'm going to do bad stuff to you " or "I really love the way you smell, it's turning me on " ... Obviously, do this on a date. If she wants to bang you, she'll stick around. If not, then she'll just leave and you save time.

I can't believe you're in such a favorable enviroment, with power over these women (you're their instructor, I'm guessing) and not banging (facepalm).

[Wayout]

Happy New Year!
It’s time to recoup from all festivities and take a long look back. Find myself so to speak..No, I did not get laid yet. I was betting on New Years Eve party to hook up with someone, anyone – but alas I failed or I should just say that didn’t happened. Let’s see where I left off last time.

I was in a cold Russian 2nd tier city, with shitty logistics but enough money to afford a nice lifestyle, ready to bang! Logistics can be taken care of fast if only I had a prospect I thought. Saunas or Karaoke rooms are available on minute’s notice. I am yet to secure a single date – so who cares if I have a place for sex! After a month here I am starting to see the bigger picture. I would like to share my perception of Russia with you.

Being foreign ( from a western country) – is not a big deal anymore! Russians travel and meet tourists from all kinds of destinations, all the time. No one wants to escape to the West anymore even for economic reasons. Local girls are vary of foreign dudes passing through and are not too eager to get involved with them. They know what’s going to happen ( pump and dump) and save their reputation for the local guys.

Reputation – is guarded as never before. A Russian girl need good reputation to secure a quality guy! I haven’t seen any makeouts in clubs or dirty dancing even. Girls act very conservative! They know they will have problems dating and in social life if they are perceived to be easy or a slut! No guy wants a slut here!

Dating in Russia is what it originally was meant to be – long term dating is prevalent! Gender roles are defined and expected to be followed. The guy always pays for everything and opens the doors for the ladies! Women are expected to always look good and the guy needs to provide the means for their lifestyle. If you don’t have a car and your won apartment – you are not a man! I attempted to explain them how crazy this is – but they are sticking to their culture, both men and women.

Girls have game here! What happens when there is imbalance in the number of people of the same gender? They have to fight for the opposite sex! Develop game! But does the other side get more sex ( get laid more easily)?- Not necessarily , just think about your average 9+ in the western world. Too many choices, but also ,too much noise and hindered ability to make a real connection with anyone. I was getting attention on the floor from all kinds of girls but it turned out later many had boyfriends in the same room, sitting, watching me and their girls having fun. They wanted to talk, dance but at the end I went home alone. When a hot chick comes up to you in a party and starts asking questions – you would immediately think she likes you and is trying to get rapport? Maybe so, but you can be sure ,in Russia, she has done this with other guys that same night. Always playing the field, looking for the bigger better deal.

Guys here have this passive aggressive game. Their presence is their game. Also they base their value strictly on money. Their perceived value is what matters. People straight up treat you as good as you are dressed!

Online gaming/pipelining – becoming completely useless. I used Mamba for my experiment and more than 60% of the profiles I was getting “ This woman has over 50 unread messages in her inbox – you have no chance!” Online gaming is officially dead for me. ROI is very low.

Overall, Russian bishes ate me for breakfast with flirting, gaming and their mindfuck tactics. I feel used and exhausted! A huge learning curve experience! I thought I had two solid leads and the bang was inevitable – only to realize I was played. They had someone all along and were just flirting with me. I tried to escalate with one and she immediately corrected my course of action..lol . I invited the other for a nice romantic walk around the city – she agreed- and brought another dude with her with whom she proceeded walking hand in hand while I was dragging behind. Russian romance my ass!

The main lesson I learned in Russia – one has to ask a girl if the she is single right away! I’ll explain why : you don’t want to find trouble from some crazy Russian dude down the road while you have tons of available girls anyway. The problem is that Russian chicks are all friendly and flirty with you! You need to escalate fast and get a NO from her – then move on..or a YES. No time wasting on sushi eating, tea time or dancing salsa.! How can this be combined with the traditional dating model – I need to figure it out! I am not good at creating attraction to date phase, but once I have a girl in an intimate environment, my closing rate is sky high! If only I could get them there…

[jimukr104]

I liked your post But I must ask are you REALLY in Russia?I am not trying to be harsh!
Yes being a foreigner isn't what it used to be but by the law of averages you should have been able to meet the % of gals who like foreigners or men with money( foreigners included). Unless you picked Yekaterinburg, MOST province girls do NOT see many foreigners. In fact a large % of population in non European Russia has never seen Moscow.
Did you read Slubu's thread? He got laid...even his NON white friend got laid and non whites are discriminated against. Akula and Menace get laid...and Partizan and Vorkuta get laid.Neil the backpacker got laid so there goes the NEED for car,money idea.
To be quite frank you are the ONLY westerner who went to FSU and didn't have a date. Arabs,Nigerians, and Asians even pull there...otherwise they wouldn't travel there!(200k turks are married to Russians)
Reason I mention this is many RVF members saw this coming. Your views were kind of bizarre and you refused to use the FSU game developed by previous members.
getting numbers are easy....so you date them. Conservative FSU gals need a few dates often. Why aren't you getting numbers and going on dates?
The Salsa dance clubs are obviously loaded with married/have relationship girls so maybe you need go to real clubs. Kind of makes sense since its usually the girls with money who can afford lessons..in provinces those girls have money because they are sponsored. Its like girls in health clubs there...some guy is paying for it!

PS: about REAL MEN HAVING FLATS AND CARS-----that's Nothing new. They live in a country where everyone got to keep their own flat. Even in Brooklyn I remembered saying "nice apt" and the mother of gal i was dating shrubs and says"its NOT mine". They feel no pride in renting like Americans do.That being said--most families have multiple generations in flats and younger Russians who didn't inherit a flat have to rent. Also only about 15% of men have cars and many of them are used Lada's.So MOST women have to date/marry guys who have no home or car REGARDLESS of what they tell you. Again...you are probably hanging near the top class gals. Those girls in most countries don't want foreigners(unless your Prosal with 1k shoes and 4k coats lol)
Btw girls over 28 I am sure still like foreigners..hit on some of them, no one else wants them!

[Chaos]

(01-03-2014 04:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I liked your post But I must ask are you REALLY in Russia?I am not trying to be harsh!
Yes being a foreigner isn't what it used to be but by the law of averages you should have been able to meet the % of gals who like foreigners or men with money( foreigners included). Unless you picked Yekaterinburg, MOST province girls do NOT see many foreigners. In fact a large % of population in non European Russia has never seen Moscow.
Did you read Slubu's thread? He got laid...even his NON white friend got laid and non whites are discriminated against. Akula and Menace get laid...and Partizan and Vorkuta get laid.Neil the backpacker got laid so there goes the NEED for car,money idea.
To be quite frank you are the ONLY westerner who went to FSU and didn't have a date. Arabs,Nigerians, and Asians even pull there...otherwise they wouldn't travel there!(200k turks are married to Russians)
Reason I mention this is many RVF members saw this coming. Your views were kind of bizarre and you refused to use the FSU game developed by previous members.
getting numbers are easy....so you date them. Conservative FSU gals need a few dates often. Why aren't you getting numbers and going on dates?
The Salsa dance clubs are obviously loaded with married/have relationship girls so maybe you need go to real clubs. Kind of makes sense since its usually the girls with money who can afford lessons..in provinces those girls have money because they are sponsored. Its like girls in health clubs there...some guy is paying for it!

PS: about REAL MEN HAVING FLATS AND CARS-----that's Nothing new. They live in a country where everyone got to keep their own flat. Even in Brooklyn I remembered saying "nice apt" and the mother of gal i was dating shrubs and says"its NOT mine". They feel no pride in renting like Americans do.That being said--most families have multiple generations in flats and younger Russians who didn't inherit a flat have to rent. Also only about 15% of men have cars and many of them are used Lada's.So MOST women have to date/marry guys who have no home or car REGARDLESS of what they tell you. Again...you are probably hanging near the top class gals. Those girls in most countries don't want foreigners(unless your Prosal with 1k shoes and 4k coats lol)
Btw girls over 28 I am sure still like foreigners..hit on some of them, no one else wants them!

You are spot on. Couldn't agree more.

[jimukr104]

^^^^I will add:
"I was getting attention on the floor from all kinds of girls but it turned out later many had boyfriends in the same room, sitting, watching me and their girls having fun."

I mentioned this before. In province cities MOST women go out to night venues with guys. Men pay is why.That also explains your view that they are passive aggressive. Russian game is caveman game but you are probably in venues where they already bought women to the venue thus look passive.
As for how they dress....will it seems you were out of your league if you were in places where they were well dressed. More damaging since you gave forum members the impression you weren't using suit game and more Walmart dressed game(rolls eyes). If you are fluent Russian I thought you would have known this already.FSU is a materialistic mentality...the USA immigrants are the same.

[Brodiaga]

Wayout,

Your review of Russian girls is full of self limiting beliefs. It looks like you have negative game. You probably picked the wrong city which you won't even name. You probably go to the wrong clubs and hit on the wrong girls. As for Mamba being useless, even in NY and Miami it is not, so that sounds like nonsense to me.

I could suggest a couple of countries in the world where you would have 5X chances to get laid compared to Russia, but I dont think it would help.

[TripleG]

(01-03-2014 04:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I liked your post But I must ask are you REALLY in Russia?I am not trying to be harsh!
Yes being a foreigner isn't what it used to be but by the law of averages you should have been able to meet the % of gals who like foreigners or men with money( foreigners included). Unless you picked Yekaterinburg, MOST province girls do NOT see many foreigners. In fact a large % of population in non European Russia has never seen Moscow.
Did you read Slubu's thread? He got laid...even his NON white friend got laid and non whites are discriminated against. Akula and Menace get laid...and Partizan and Vorkuta get laid.Neil the backpacker got laid so there goes the NEED for car,money idea.
To be quite frank you are the ONLY westerner who went to FSU and didn't have a date. Arabs,Nigerians, and Asians even pull there...otherwise they wouldn't travel there!(200k turks are married to Russians)
Reason I mention this is many RVF members saw this coming. Your views were kind of bizarre and you refused to use the FSU game developed by previous members.
getting numbers are easy....so you date them. Conservative FSU gals need a few dates often. Why aren't you getting numbers and going on dates?
The Salsa dance clubs are obviously loaded with married/have relationship girls so maybe you need go to real clubs. Kind of makes sense since its usually the girls with money who can afford lessons..in provinces those girls have money because they are sponsored. Its like girls in health clubs there...some guy is paying for it!

PS: about REAL MEN HAVING FLATS AND CARS-----that's Nothing new. They live in a country where everyone got to keep their own flat. Even in Brooklyn I remembered saying "nice apt" and the mother of gal i was dating shrubs and says"its NOT mine". They feel no pride in renting like Americans do.That being said--most families have multiple generations in flats and younger Russians who didn't inherit a flat have to rent. Also only about 15% of men have cars and many of them are used Lada's.So MOST women have to date/marry guys who have no home or car REGARDLESS of what they tell you. Again...you are probably hanging near the top class gals. Those girls in most countries don't want foreigners(unless your Prosal with 1k shoes and 4k coats lol)
Btw girls over 28 I am sure still like foreigners..hit on some of them, no one else wants them!

Jim, you're being unusually harsh on wayout, I would even say bordering on attacking him. For example, when I was in FSU this summer my buddy had 6 dates with a Ukrainian model, some lasting all day long and he did not get laid (his game is above average in USA). I went out like a rabid dog for 5 nights straight in Kiev then Odessa and also did not get laid (though 1 of those nights I passed out as a girl had told me she would come over). So what you hear on the forums is only half the truth. Remember, the stories you hear from guys like Slubu, Neil or Vorkuta are from top 5% of the international players out there...these guys travel almost exclusively for girls (based on their trip reports) and do EVERYTHING in their power to get laid. To me Wayout seems like he barely tries some days and is only interested in socializing and practicing salsa

I have also heard from plenty of guys visiting FSU in-person who did not get laid until they decided to do p4p (which of course is whack and does not count). So give Wayout some slack. I enjoy hearing his adventures and it is refreshing for once to hear of a beta guy "struggling" instead of all these stories of alpha males visiting FSU with no language/culture knowledge, flashing their USA ID's, buying table service, and getting ONS. Not all of us can afford this type of nightlife game or can have this type of energy! Also, remember that Wayout mentioned he is in his late 30s...I doubt he is going to top40 clubs which are loaded with much younger girls. Perhaps Wayout would have way more success by joining a dating agency, at least there he is guaranteed to have solid date prospects with women who are interested in foreigners.

[Chaos]

(01-03-2014 04:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I have also heard from plenty of guys visiting FSU in-person who did not get laid until they decided to do p4p

I've never heard about that from anyone but maybe we have different social circles.
I can't just see this happening, I've spent quite a time in Russia and I didn't chase pussy all the time but still situations that leads into a date happens every now and then. You bump into girls on the streets, in the parks, cafés. 90% of all girls I banged in Russia started from situations like that.
Innocent ones, I would even call them accidents when I actually didn't thinking of getting laid.

Or maybe expectations are too high. If you only aim to bang 9+'s, then I understand it's difficult.

[Thailand_Veteran]

(01-03-2014 10:30 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Jim, you're being unusually harsh on wayout, I would even say bordering on attacking him. For example, when I was in FSU this summer my buddy had 6 dates with a Ukrainian model, some lasting all day long and he did not get laid (his game is above average in USA). I went out like a rabid dog for 5 nights straight in Kiev then Odessa and also did not get laid (though 1 of those nights I passed out as a girl had told me she would come over). So what you hear on the forums is only half the truth. Remember, the stories you hear from guys like Slubu, Neil or Vorkuta are from top 5% of the international players out there...these guys travel almost exclusively for girls (based on their trip reports) and do EVERYTHING in their power to get laid. To me Wayout seems like he barely tries some days and is only interested in socializing and practicing salsa

To spend 5 nights in Kiev and not getting laid is quite normal. I stayed for 3 months and as I went out almost every night I met dozens of foreigners, most of them on short vacation and the majority complained that they could not get laid. Many good looking guys with game, who definately would do better in their own countries.

During my stay I slowly came to the conclusion, that it is a disadvantage to be foreigner in Kiev, at least regarding most young good looking girls, who have a choice. The older ones or the average 5s and 6s are still quite open though. If you hit on them a short vacation in Kiev would be fun. The picture of foreigners is tainted by sex tourists and wife hunters. I could overcome this, because I could speak basic/intermediate Russian, had social proof by local guys, stayed longterm.

Also there are not many normal western foreigners, who actually do business or work in Kiev - therefore all those broke and weird ones catch negative attention even more. In addition many ukrainian girls lack sophistication to realise that the latter do not represent the typical western foreigner.

Although I havent been to Russia yet ( I plan to go there soon) I am sure it will be easier there than in Ukraine. First it is more expensive than Ukraine, which filters the cheap charlies out. Sex tourism should not be such an issue as it is in Ukraine. Much less foreigners in 2nd Tier Russia then in Ukraine. Dont get me wrong, I am pretty sure being foreigner wont HELP in Russia, but probably it wont HURT as much as it does in Kiev nowadays.

@ wayout

Interesting to hear that you struggled despite your language skills.
May I ask you whether you went out solo? Having a good wingman IMO quite useful in FSU.

What did you tell the girls why and how long you are on town?

Am I correct that we are talking about Ekaterinburg, as you mentioned to travel there in a previous post?

[jimukr104]

(01-03-2014 10:30 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I liked your post But I must ask are you REALLY in Russia?I am not trying to be harsh!
Yes being a foreigner isn't what it used to be but by the law of averages you should have been able to meet the % of gals who like foreigners or men with money( foreigners included). Unless you picked Yekaterinburg, MOST province girls do NOT see many foreigners. In fact a large % of population in non European Russia has never seen Moscow.
Did you read Slubu's thread? He got laid...even his NON white friend got laid and non whites are discriminated against. Akula and Menace get laid...and Partizan and Vorkuta get laid.Neil the backpacker got laid so there goes the NEED for car,money idea.
To be quite frank you are the ONLY westerner who went to FSU and didn't have a date. Arabs,Nigerians, and Asians even pull there...otherwise they wouldn't travel there!(200k turks are married to Russians)
Reason I mention this is many RVF members saw this coming. Your views were kind of bizarre and you refused to use the FSU game developed by previous members.
getting numbers are easy....so you date them. Conservative FSU gals need a few dates often. Why aren't you getting numbers and going on dates?
The Salsa dance clubs are obviously loaded with married/have relationship girls so maybe you need go to real clubs. Kind of makes sense since its usually the girls with money who can afford lessons..in provinces those girls have money because they are sponsored. Its like girls in health clubs there...some guy is paying for it!

PS: about REAL MEN HAVING FLATS AND CARS-----that's Nothing new. They live in a country where everyone got to keep their own flat. Even in Brooklyn I remembered saying "nice apt" and the mother of gal i was dating shrubs and says"its NOT mine". They feel no pride in renting like Americans do.That being said--most families have multiple generations in flats and younger Russians who didn't inherit a flat have to rent. Also only about 15% of men have cars and many of them are used Lada's.So MOST women have to date/marry guys who have no home or car REGARDLESS of what they tell you. Again...you are probably hanging near the top class gals. Those girls in most countries don't want foreigners(unless your Prosal with 1k shoes and 4k coats lol)
Btw girls over 28 I am sure still like foreigners..hit on some of them, no one else wants them!

Jim, you're being unusually harsh on wayout, I would even say bordering on attacking him. For example, when I was in FSU this summer my buddy had 6 dates with a Ukrainian model, some lasting all day long and he did not get laid (his game is above average in USA). I went out like a rabid dog for 5 nights straight in Kiev then Odessa and also did not get laid (though 1 of those nights I passed out as a girl had told me she would come over). So what you hear on the forums is only half the truth. Remember, the stories you hear from guys like Slubu, Neil or Vorkuta are from top 5% of the international players out there...these guys travel almost exclusively for girls (based on their trip reports) and do EVERYTHING in their power to get laid. To me Wayout seems like he barely tries some days and is only interested in socializing and practicing salsa

I have also heard from plenty of guys visiting FSU in-person who did not get laid until they decided to do p4p (which of course is whack and does not count). So give Wayout some slack. I enjoy hearing his adventures and it is refreshing for once to hear of a beta guy "struggling" instead of all these stories of alpha males visiting FSU with no language/culture knowledge, flashing their USA ID's, buying table service, and getting ONS. Not all of us can afford this type of nightlife game or can have this type of energy! Also, remember that Wayout mentioned he is in his late 30s...I doubt he is going to top40 clubs which are loaded with much younger girls. Perhaps Wayout would have way more success by joining a dating agency, at least there he is guaranteed to have solid date prospects with women who are interested in foreigners.

Ok some points. Slubu is pretty new to FSU and game..by his own accounts he isn't a MASTER. Vorkuta isn't a player at all...hes just a regular guy who likes Slavic culture and is VERY direct and outgoing.
But I was NO WAY saying that OP needed to get laid. You are 100% right getting ONS and laid isn't easy.
In fact i will let you on to a little secret...in 2001 it wasn't easy either. Me and Vorkuta already dispelled that myth. Sure more girls liked foreigners since there were less of them(AND BEING MARRIED TO ONE WAS A STATUS THING IN SOME CIRCLES) but girls back then coming of age were also less slutty, and were more conservative. Back then 1% were slutty NOW maybe 10% are slutty since they growing up more westernized.
My issue with OP is that he mentions how he has had NO dates. Listen in FSU and large parts of Eastern Europe its not very hard to get a girls contact info. You get enough of them and some will end up as dates. Even guys who don't score admit dating is easy.
But you said the truth..OP isn't trying hard enough. he paid 1500 to earn daygame and obviously isn't doing any since its VERY cold. That leaves night venues. Problem with that is in 2nd tier cities going out isn't that affordable for most of the population. Its cheaper if its a college town. But chances are a Salsa party is an upper-class event since it costs years of lessons to salsa dance and its more of an upper middleclass activity. That class isn't going to be impressed with a foreigner at such a young age. OP says he only goes after young girls.
Advice for him is to go to regular bars/venues where the girls don't need or have a BF to take them to. But daygame would be best. I was only being harsh so he wouldn't do the same mistake over and over.Salsa clubs with no social circle just isn't working. He is also a Russian speaker so he has access to 100% of the population. He never mentioned the city so there is a chance he went to a "Republic" in the Urals.....that would of course explain everything being conservative and all. Truth is he needs to focus on dates because that's the main way to get intimate.
I think international dating sites should be avoided..most are scams and besides they want marriage if they are real. The serious minded women will put a guy on the slow track...means he will have to wait VERY long for sex.Many will make a guy wait months(even for kisses lol)

I should also add that the holiday season is probably NOT the best...The Russian Christmas is in a few days.