[Bill]

Though I am a dancing guy I would say the essence of game is talk. So when you are broke you will know how your skills really are. So it´s a great oppurtunity to work on the essence.

[michelin]

Some in this thread recommend to tighten your game and approah more than ever. I won't. I think it's better to run normal game, as usual, but focus more on the job search and personal skills.

[deathtofatties]

(11-20-2013 10:08 PM)JackDavey Wrote:  

Another thing you can try is hitchhiking. Even if you're not going anywhere, just pretend whatever. So many women will pick up a good-looking young man it would blow your mind. Plenty of them will be college age or above, and looking for a thrill.

I'm too afraid of getting picked up by an ugly fatty or creepy homosexual. Nothing against gay guys of course, just the ones that don't respect my heterosexuality, they're problematic.

Otherwise great idea! I think people on Montana or anywhere else are much friendlier and open to new comers than people here though. I live closer to Philadelphia.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-20-2013 08:31 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:39 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 12:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I can't believe what I was saying yesterday?!?!?

Forget about Game!?!?! Don't worry about girls!!! Take a break from chasing girls!!!

Normally, I don't say stuff like that, but, I was getting the sense that you are sick of game. You have other, more important things on your mind. You are not in good mental state for gaming.

This happens occasionally. We all need a break sometimes.

Get your shit together. The Game will be awaiting your return.

I'm not sick of game, I'm sick of not getting what I want, and a shitty ROI (approaching tons of girls but getting poor results, and feeling like crap).

I need some kind of leverage that wets their pussies, like a fitted suit, a pad down the street, real hardcore confidence backed up by a solid lifestyle.

Get an OZ of Blow, keep half, sell half.

Leverage issue? Solved.

Money issue? Solved.

Confidence issue? Pseudo Solved.

Game issue? Pseudo Solved.

You are not going to get better advice than that.

Lose your soul in, whichever palm I'm holding
One'll leave you frozen, the other, nodding and dozing.

how much does a ounce of blow cost? I would think close to $1000. big investment for someone with no money.

You could always get it fronted.

(Young player beware).

[deathtofatties]

(11-21-2013 11:20 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

I could park my truck and just hitch around town lol

[deathtofatties]

(11-21-2013 12:36 AM)JackDavey Wrote:  

Well, I was hitchhiking for its own sake back in the day, and all different kinds of people would pick me up. Couple of weirdos, but mostly regular people. I would say about 30% of my rides were from women, and of those, half were bangable and interested. One time an ASU chick looped back around to pick me up in the middle of Phoenix. She had weed, which was good. I dropped the old "Man it's hot as hell and I've been hitching for days and sure could use a shower" and was back at her place before I knew it.

Another time in Northern Cali a good-looking late twenties professional-type brunette picked me up but "could only take me a little way". Usually when someone says that it means they feel morally obligated to pick you up, but they don't want to, so they want you to turn down the ride. But when a woman, alone, picks up a strange dirty man from the side of the road, it's because she wants a strange, dirty, possibly dangerous man in her car.

I wouldn't try to make any super aggressive moves on a chick who picks you up while she's driving. The best thing is to find a reason for her to take you somewhere (besides just dropping you off at her exit or whatever). This can be anything. The shower thing is great. Another one is, I would always carry a gallon jug of water, and I'd ask if she could take me somewhere I could fill it. Sometimes this is her place, more often its one of those machines at a grocery store, at which point you can suggest getting something to eat, you both go inside, you're broke so you just grab a cheap granola bar or whatever, next thing you know she's filling a cart with shit because she's going to make you dinner....

I'd say it's the same game as anything, basically, but she makes the approach, and she does so because of the mystery and danger you represent. We all know what women's number one fantasy is, and this is her chance to make it happen. When you turn out to be cool and likeable (that is, not creepy), but still mysterious and potentially dangerous, she'll go out of her way to fuck you. It is still very important to not scare the cat, but at the same time, to not get the cat too comfortable.

And yeah, a beach town is perfect. Hitch up and down the coast a little ways. Game the chicks you meet, but even better is that you'll meet all sorts of cool people. I got picked up by a bunch of dudes from...fuck, some Scandanavian country, who came to cali to surf. They taught me how, I sucked at it, hung out and got invited to beach parties.

JackDavey, I think your advice and experience is legit for sure. However, I feel as though you and a few other users are somewhat missing the point of this thread.

My inner game is garbage, girls can see the emptiness in my face. I spend most of my time in the house programming in front of a computer because that's my best shot at opportunity in this world, but it comes with a cost. This, compounded with my upbringing (home schooled in isolation) has sort of made me this alien like creature, because I've had to turn off my emotions and impulses to pull myself through the isolationist hell that is programming. Isolation has been very consistent in my life, and I hate it, I need money to escape it.

Women don't want to be gamed by a man that appears robotic, or apathetic, shut off and shut down emotionally from staring at a screen all day.

Women tell me that I have a glazed over look, or that I look pale. I need to turn up my confidence, my emotions, I need to be in a happy state of mind. I can't game girls in my usual workaholic/apathetic state of mind. They see it and smell it and feel it every time, and it is cockblocking me.

I wasn't like this before...

I need drugs.

[JackDavey]

I get you, man. Wasn't trying to derail the thread with that, sorry. But it's a good example of the type of thing that can shock you out of a rut, build inner confidence, change your attitude, and so forth. Sometimes you need to be shaken up to reach the next level, and sometimes you need to shake yourself up.

I didn't need money to escape my isolation when I was young. (Not sure how old you are, but it doesn't really matter. This is true at any age). Sure, money would have helped, but after many, many years of relying on my wits, living on the road, and breaking out of the retarded stimulus-response patterns my upbringing and society had done so much to brainwash into me, I realized that the inner strength I gained from those experiences was what would allow me to create value for others, which I am now monetizing.

I'm not recommending that you drop out and embrace the hippy road-dog life, like I did, nor that you put off lifestyle cultivation until your thirties, like I did. But maybe take a day, or a weekend, or a week and do something... crazy. Something you've never done before. Something that scares the shit out of you, and forces you to find out what you're made of. Just my two cents. Drugs are also awesome.

[Saladin]

So basically right now you're learning programming so can't really change your financial situation.

As long as you have a long term plan you're fine. Money isn't important. You can make yourself look good at a budget if you know what you're doing. I know plenty of dudes who are broke as fuck killing it with women so its a limiting belief. Considering you have a long term plan I'm 90 percent sure its just your mind coming up with a way to make you feel like shit so you don't improve yourself(never underestimate our innate desire to stay the same). Trust me even if you had money right now it would make 0 difference.

Lack of money will make your game tighter as you will be forced to not drink and stay sober to save cash. Most of the dudes I know are broke as fuck yet that doesn't stop them. You're good to go man. Keep working on the computer programming but go out 3 nights a week or do some daygame. You'll slowly but surely improve.

[deathtofatties]

(11-22-2013 05:26 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

Trust me even if you had money right now it would make 0 difference.

Lack of money will make your game tighter as you will be forced to not drink and stay sober to save cash. Most of the dudes I know are broke as fuck yet that doesn't stop them. You're good to go man. Keep working on the computer programming but go out 3 nights a week or do some daygame. You'll slowly but surely improve.

No, logistics cost money.

If I were living by the beach right now, money wouldn't matter so much. But consider that I live in a place where I must drop money on gas to meet women, so in essence, even meeting women to approach does cost money. I take it you're not from small town America. You cannot get anywhere or meet anyone here without a car.

I could walk outside of my house for several miles, and never see any women to approach. I don't live near a major city.

The fear of whether or not I'll be eating in a couple of months hangs over my head like a dark cloud, and being stuck in my step dad's basement for another couple of years is also a future I would rather not have.

[InternationPlayboy]

Sometimes I get in a funk when I don't have money too. It kills my confidence. Most of this year I was broke and my results kind of show it. It also holds you back from going out at night and picking up. My one saving grace for a while is I was pulling some mooch game. I had this girl that liked me a lot and I'd have her pay sometimes and drive me around when I didn't have a car. I tend to do better with women when I have money though. I think it's just a psychological thing. I didn't even try the last month or two I was in Denver. I just wanted to save up money and get the fuck out of there. Pussy wasn't even hardly on my mind. That's all changed now. I'm ready to dive head first into some South American pussy in aspen.

[Hotwheels]

What programming languages are you learning?

[deathtofatties]

(11-22-2013 08:30 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

What programming languages are you learning?

Right now, JavaScript. I'm using it to make an app.

[Hotwheels]

Cool.

Was kinda hoping you were good with PHP as I might have some work for you.

Keep working at it and you'll get where you want to be.

[Screwston]

Can you move? Could you afford a cheap apartmernt in a big city?

[deathtofatties]

(11-22-2013 11:26 AM)houston Wrote:  

Can you move? Could you afford a cheap apartmernt in a big city?

If I could I would.

[Giovonny]

In a way, I'm glad I grew up poor because -- I had to learn how to be confident and believe in myself even if I didn't have any money.

I had to learn how to get girls while having limited funds.

I was forced to be creative and resourceful.

I didn't have the luxury of letting my inner game go soft.

Inner Game was all I had.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-22-2013 02:54 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

In a way, I'm glad I grew up poor because -- I had to learn how to be confident and believe in myself even if I didn't have any money.

I had to learn how to get girls while having limited funds.

I was forced to be creative and resourceful.

I didn't have the luxury of letting my inner game go soft.

Inner Game was all I had.

Bam.

Gio kills it as usual.

Me too.

Growing up tough, doesn't make you tough.

You just are tough.



(Not talking about fighting here. Mental Strength.)

[germanico]

Back when I was broke, I had what ammounts to 4 dollars in my bank account. Couldnt even take it out of the ATM because the smallest bill they service is $5.

I walked everynight to the bar area, and gamed my ass off. My rent and utilities where paid, had a bunch of condoms from the health clinic, and I kept myself and my clothes clean.

And I was killing it. How would they know I had no money?

[deathtofatties]

(11-22-2013 08:56 PM)germanico Wrote:  

Back when I was broke, I had what ammounts to 4 dollars in my bank account. Couldnt even take it out of the ATM because the smallest bill they service is $5.

I walked everynight to the bar area, and gamed my ass off. My rent and utilities where paid, had a bunch of condoms from the health clinic, and I kept myself and my clothes clean.

And I was killing it. How would they know I had no money?

So you didn't need money for gas to drive to these bars, or did you live in your car?

[germanico]

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I walked everynight to the bar area, and gamed my ass off. My rent and utilities where paid

I paid 2 months rent and utilities in advance with the money I had left. A DJ friend of my brother paid me $30 a night to do security for a couple of his gigs and I used that money to buy oatmeal and rice. I stole condiment packets from the 7-11 whenever I had some spare change for a coke. By the third month I had to borrow rent from my brother and defaulted on the utilities. But just a week short of the fourth month I found my first customer, which by the way never paid me in full but allowed me to break even and pay my brother back.

I walked a mile and a half to the bars, got into those that had no cover charge or where I knew the bouncers, and told any girl I could lure out and didnt had a car that I had no cash left so they paid for the taxi back to my place. If I striked out for the night I had to walk back, no taxis for me. Or told them over the phone that I was exhausted from last night so we could just relax at my place and watch a movie.

I understand that you live in a small town and that you would have to walk farther or game harder, but sitting down complaining about how your case is special and this doesnt applies to you is not going to help you in any way. Find out what do you want to do and find a way to make it happen. There is a way, I cant tell you what it is.

Keep gaming and working out, your mind goes soft if you dont. Read a lot, keeps you sharp and motivated. Read anything that makes you want to keep reading on, thats how you know its good. Keep your mind clear and think of anything you can do for money, whatever you can, do it. Look for opportunities. Sell everything you dont need, months of traveling taught me that you can get by with just the contents of a backpack. Keep only a few nice changes of clothes and your phone and computer. Sure you might have some things that you paid a lot for, but right now you need money in your pockets, not on your shelves. Make some money online, the $10 or $15 you could get for writing a generic article makes a big difference when you have just change in your pocket. Get your hustler mode on.

Why is it that you cant move to a place with better logistics? What is tying you down there? If there is nothing going on where you are, go to where it is going on because the action is never going to go your way if you just sit down and wait. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Read the POF and craigslist threads in the forum, there are some golden nuggets there, so you can "game" girls online and get them to come to you... sure its not as good as what you could get from an approach, but its better than nothing. And it wont matter how you met a girl after you blow your load.