[ObnoxiousStoner]

Firtst thing I would like to say is that i completely understand that your financial situation can be psychologically damaging when it comes to your whole mindframe in approaching and gaming.

I have to say that gaming without cash is easier said than done. Being broke is a turnoff for women. There are alot of subliminal indicators that can be perceived. Majority of women are attracted to the cash flow even if they arent necessarily benefiting from it.

But if you take a closer look some sort of money spending has to come into effect at SOME POINT. You need to get to her house right? Unless its that ever so rare right around the corner pussy you gotta get there somehow unless you have her pick you up which is a mild indicator of your financial crisis, but she will probably end up asking you for gas money = $$

Easiest way to smash is to booze her up or get her to the state of euphoria and go for the kill right? DRUGS = $$$

Lets say you game a girl to the point to fucking, now you need condoms = $$

You cant even call or text the girl unless you have a cell phone and a plan or minute cards. Speaking of cell phones you gotta have something some what recent unless you wanna go around flossing your FLIP PHONE = $$$

If you are poor then you can almost eliminate every one of the problems ive stated. But if you are completely broke thats a totally different story. I dont have the best job now but I make things work. But when I was flat broke there was soooooooo many more obstacles that stood in my way it was unbelievable.

If your looking for any piece of ass thats no problem at all but its gonna be more difficult to get any higher scale women with no cash. My only advice is to focus on your looks and game as much as possible. Keep your self cleaned up hygenically, shave, work out, brush your teeth focus on the little things that will give you the needed edge. Tap into your social circle and use it to your advantage.

Also this is the best response ive seen so far. Dick her down proper and she wil just about die for you. If shes willing to down a shot of cool whip, she will cough up that dough...

(11-18-2013 02:52 PM)elabayarde Wrote:  

Us ur game to get dames to fork up $$$

I did it for a longggg time.

[Libertas]

Being broke isn't an excuse, but it is inherently going to require you to have attributes that will compensate (you seem to at least be attempting to handle those areas properly). I agree with Giovonny. Play up to your demographics. If you're just looking to get laid money shouldn't be a crippling problem unless you have shit logistics or something.

[Giovonny]

(11-18-2013 06:09 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

My point is, a negative psychological state will cripple any man's game.

So, you admit, your problem is not financial. Your problem is a negative psychological state.

I know, they are related to each other. Having no money is causing you to have a negative self image.

So, how do we fix a negative psychological state?

In your case, the answer is..

Talk to more girls. Game more girls.

Prove to yourself that you can get laid without a lot of money.

What choice do you have?

Give up? Continue to wallow in your own imaginary sorrows?

Inaction and negative thinking have put you in this position.

Massive positive action/thinking is the only thing that will save you.

Unless you just wanna wait til you get a job and re-access the problem then --There is actually nothing wrong with that -- Just take a break from girls and game and get your finances together.

However, I think this is great opportunity for you to break thru some mental plateaus and uncover a more powerful version of yourself.

(11-18-2013 06:09 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

Sometimes a man has to game himself in order to game women

Well said.

Get busy "gaming yourself" or get busy gaming girls girls!

The only mistake is to do neither.

(11-18-2013 06:09 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

the game he runs on himself is much more complex and painful than the outer-game he uses on the girl.

Well, it just depends on the man.

For some guys, gaming girls is more complex and painful.

For other guys, gaming themselves is more complex and painful.

Focus on yourself and your situation.

Either take a break and get a job or learn to do some cheap dates.

Feeling sorry for yourself accomplishes nothing and only makes the problem seem worse.

Take action.

(11-18-2013 06:20 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

18 girls are super skittish and fickle too, and always with their girlfriends/parents hovering over them.

These seem like excuses.

All girls can be skittish and fickle.

I go to colleges and universities a few times a week. I have never seen a girl with her parent.

What about 18+ clubs? I know they don't bring their parents with them!

[deathtofatties]

(11-18-2013 06:29 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Being broke isn't an excuse, but it is inherently going to require you to have attributes that will compensate (you seem to at least be attempting to handle those areas properly). I agree with Giovonny. Play up to your demographics. If you're just looking to get laid money shouldn't be a crippling problem unless you have shit logistics or something.

I also have shit logistics. Everything is at least 10 miles away. Thankfully I have a car.

[deathtofatties]

(11-18-2013 06:35 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

What about 18+ clubs? I know they don't bring their parents with them!

There aren't any within driving distance. Bars here close before one, so I scratched off night game for good, unless I get invited to a college house party.

I just don't fit in here, it's more provincial and townie. I belong in a metropolitan area.

[deathtofatties]

(11-18-2013 06:22 PM)ObnoxiousStoner Wrote:  

Firtst thing I would like to say is that i completely understand that your financial situation can be psychologically damaging when it comes to your whole mindframe in approaching and gaming...

Tap into your social circle and use it to your advantage.

Getting a social circle with decent ass isn't easy. My social circle (the one that's been inviting me to a couple of college house parties) is mostly full of guys unfortunately.

I wish I could build a social circle full of attractive women, but if it were easy, everyone would have a hot social circle.

And yes, everything has a price, even logistics cost $$$


That being said, I think the solution I neglected was right under my nose: befriend the fatties.

[Giovonny]

(11-18-2013 06:51 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

unless I get invited to a college house party.

If you went to college party, with a bottle in hand (or a joint/blunt)

Would anyone know that you weren't invited?

Why don't you try to crash college parties? Just lie and say you are a student.

Is there a college near you? Why aren't you day gaming there RIGHT NOW?

[deathtofatties]

(11-18-2013 07:00 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:51 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

unless I get invited to a college house party.

If you went to college party, with a bottle in hand (or a joint/blunt)

Would anyone know that you weren't invited?

Why don't you try to crash college parties? Just lie and say you are a student.

Is there a college near you? Why aren't you day gaming there RIGHT NOW?

I'll try showing up to a party with a handle sometime.

I do in fact daygame there. I run mostly street game, because there's a main street connecting to the campus, and that's the best place to hit up college girls around here.

My day game is pretty crappy. I walk up and down the street asking for a pet store or vegan ice cream... And the women will stop and try to help me, but they're rather curt, meaning they reply with short answers. I'll ramble, throw in the bait (where I'm from...) ramble some more, but they just get confused and try to leave. Different places require different game, and I'm still trying to crack the code.

And often I'm forced to approach girls that are in groups, because everyone is with a friend, or if they are alone, they're often super busy and heading to class... Ideal Game Conditions are rare here, and many of the women aren't exactly friendly and inviting. They aren't giving me the kind of eye contact that our brothers in Europe get.

I have to be in an awesome mood to get good responses, the women seem to feed off of my energy and persistence. It's as if they are screening me for toughness, and I have to keep them in my space and keep the conversation alive. I seem to do a little better when I am more physical in daygame. Otherwise they just give me 1 minute, and then walk off with a polite "Good luck!"

I need to caveman things a little more, in the daytime.

[Giovonny]

How far is the college campus from your house?

[deathtofatties]

(11-18-2013 07:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

How far is the college campus from your house?

15 to 20 minute drive. 10 miles, but with traffic lights, 15 to 20 minutes.

[Seaver]

To me it sounds like you are poor by choice while learning a more valuable long term skill while also maintaining the ability to have basic life necessities.

That is NOT poor, that is an investment that hasn't come to fruition yet. You should take pride in that choice, b/c that is WAY more interesting that some 20 something working a meaningless entry level job to make 35k a year.

I was in an almost identical situation and it ended being one of the better runs of my life, you just have to some confidence in your choices.

[Giovonny]

(11-18-2013 07:19 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 07:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

How far is the college campus from your house?

15 to 20 minute drive. 10 miles, but with traffic lights, 15 to 20 minutes.

That should be your main target area. 24 hours a day (assuming they have dorms and student apartments)

Day game, early evening game, parties, sporting events, school events, theatre, arts, talent shows, etc. etc!

Get over there! Especially, if you don't have a job!

Don't just hang out across the street asking for directions. Put a backpack on and GET ON CAMPUS. Library, cafe, food court, yoga class, international department, dorms, etc, etc.

You will be surrounded by young girls!

If I were you , I would move across the street from campus!

[deathtofatties]

(11-18-2013 07:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 07:19 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 07:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

How far is the college campus from your house?

15 to 20 minute drive. 10 miles, but with traffic lights, 15 to 20 minutes.

That should be your main target area. 24 hours a day (assuming they have dorms and student apartments)

Day game, early evening game, parties, sporting events, school events, theatre, arts, talent shows, etc. etc!

Get over there! Especially, if you don't have a job!

I hang out there as often as I can, provided it doesn't get in the way of my efforts/job-search/side-hustle/programming-lessons.

The problem is these white American girls. In contrast, I've dated more European girls here in America. My ex-girlfriend was a tall blonde German au-pair not unlike the miss-Finland contestant that Rooshv selected in his top 13 miss universe contestants on Return of Kings. I don't get laid often, but when I do, I get good looking Euro girls somehow.

I got much more for much less with the Euro girls than I ever did with any American girls. Euro girls in American cities gave me eye contact, and wanted to go out with me.

Now my male-hamster-wheel is telling me to turn off my game, focus entirely on money, and save up for a plane ticket to Eastern Europe.

[Giovonny]

(11-18-2013 07:30 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

My male-hamster-wheel is telling me to turn off my game, focus entirely on money, and save up for a plane ticket to Eastern Europe.

Do that.

It can hard to focus on multiple projects at the same time.

Just focus on money and career right now.

That is actually a very mature and wise thing to do.

Money is more important than girls.

Just forget about girls for now. It will save you a lot of drama mad heartache

Pussy is overrated anyways. Power is better.

[Nomad77]

Focus on the man you are trying to be instead of the one you think you are right now. Pull up a picture of that man in your mind and keep him around when you go out. Women are interested in BOTH who you are right now AND the man you could potentially be.

And while you may not be able to give them money you do have something else that is even more valuable - if you can pull it out of yourself: PASSION. When I had nothing, I got higher quality of women than I do now, because I gave them two things: passion and potential. It was all I had to give. Think of the broke artist.

[Screwston]

Lie about your age
Go after younger girls

[markus85]

I concur with the other posters...it's in your head.

Even during periods of unemployment my game wasn't affected. I've always had an excellent wardrobe so regardless of my financial situation I always looked my best.

Honestly 90% of the girls I hook up with the extent of their probing goes as far as 'what do you do?' and I'll tell them my previous job and I'll never hear about it again. They also rarely if ever meet my friends so they can't use that avenue to gather information. I used to always bang girls in my car and parks too...if a lizard is into you she will fuck you just about anywhere.

[XXL]

Separate your "work time" from "game time"

So when it's "work time" you work and don't think about girls or anything else. Eventually it ends or its time for a break. When it's gym time it's "no pain no gain" time and you don't think about money or pussy. When it's "game time" you commit the same way not thinking about anything else. Do not think about gym results or your money or family issues or shit like that. It's your game time now so keep it fun.

Not bad game plan..
- hit up clubs 2-3 days a week, go out before parties peak and hit it up for 2-3 hours max [you waste little time at night when your productivity is lower]
- do 2-3 hour daygame sessions on whatever days you want and hit it up.
- have 3-4 free evenings for dates

Commit 100% to each activity

When you're with girls.. keep flirting, answer personal questions vaguely ["where are you from?" point your finger at north saying "from there. maybe i'll show you one day"] or make things up [i work for facebook, your whole online life is one click away from me once you tell me more about yourself]. When a girl starts getting serious or asks too many logical questions cut her off completely and say you're here to have a good time and you invited her out to enjoy each other.

When you separate those "times" like that you stop associating your game with stuff you own/don't own. It's like game is me, here. Also, you stop thinking about this other shit like we all sometimes do when we hesitate or question ourselves whether we're worthy of this and that girl. You put everything aside and just dive in like it's another project to work on. it's game time now and everything else is irrelevant.

I learned that from observing some guys trolling girls in clubs who totally suck with girls. I remember I was like "what the fuck are they thinking?". Thing is they don't think. They have no concept of entitlement or what they deserve. They just blindly go for girls they like regardless how well they do in life. Interestingly enough, when they were able to keep their shit together in a face of some blowouts without getting butthurt etc they were hanging out with girls at the end of the night. Then I thought, damn, even if their life totally sucks the only thing they CAN do is to pimp girls left and right. It doesn't cost shit to flirt AND it's fun. Duh..

[AntiTrace]

(11-18-2013 07:00 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:51 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

unless I get invited to a college house party.

If you went to college party, with a bottle in hand (or a joint/blunt)

Would anyone know that you weren't invited?

Why don't you try to crash college parties? Just lie and say you are a student.

Is there a college near you? Why aren't you day gaming there RIGHT NOW?

This.

Power move.

A buddy and I used to walk in to parties each with a rack of beer (cheapest shit you can find, theyre college kids thats what they expect) on each shoulder.

10-15 times. 100% success rate.

Think of it as a cover fee

[AntiTrace]

(11-18-2013 07:34 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 07:30 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

My male-hamster-wheel is telling me to turn off my game, focus entirely on money, and save up for a plane ticket to Eastern Europe.

Do that.

It can hard to focus on multiple projects at the same time.

Just focus on money and career right now.

That is actually a very mature and wise thing to do.

Money is more important than girls.

Just forget about girls for now. It will save you a lot of drama mad heartache

Pussy is overrated anyways. Power is better.

two more things I wanted to add:

1. I don't know what exactly your body frame is like, but 135 lbs at 5'6" is scrawny. You could be super strong and ultra ripped 135, but Im guessing your just scrawny with a low body fat. Hit the gym every day. Thats an investment in itself. If you can't afford the gym, download P90X and do that in your apartment.

2. Cutting off game while you work on your skills is a great idea. I just recently did the same thing. Focus 100% of your energy on mastering those programming skills and getting a client base. Within a few months to a year your situation should have drastically improved.

So essentially, quit worrying about females. Focus all your effort on yourself and then have a "cheat day" every week that you do whatever the hell you want. If that means chasing tail all day, then go for it.

[deathtofatties]

delete

[deathtofatties]

(11-19-2013 07:50 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

two more things I wanted to add:

1. I don't know what exactly your body frame is like, but 135 lbs at 5'6" is scrawny. You could be super strong and ultra ripped 135, but Im guessing your just scrawny with a low body fat. Hit the gym every day. Thats an investment in itself. If you can't afford the gym, download P90X and do that in your apartment.

I'm built like Manny Pacquiao, but taller at 5'6". I used to box a little, so I carry myself like that, walk tall. But yes, I have a small frame. Genetics man...

I've approach really tall girls in the past and they laughed at me for being short. I just roll off like, "hey, how's the air up there? Can you see anything cool from that view?"

I'm quirky too, I keep it fun.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-19-2013 07:50 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

1. I don't know what exactly your body frame is like, but 135 lbs at 5'6" is scrawny.

All depends. This guy is 5'7, 135 lbs.



So are these guys:



This is not a physical thing.

This is a mental thing.

[deathtofatties]

(11-19-2013 09:03 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This is not a physical thing.

This is a mental thing.

Funny thing is, I've been told by a few people that I look like a young Bruce Lee.

Wouldn't it be funny if Bruce Lee banged out some chick, and then was like, "yeah, I'm broke, can you give me a few dollars for the bus?"

He'd get extra money for the bus ride back too.

I need that broke/homeless alpha vibe that women find irresistible.

Something like this:

[ashraf]

Were you EVER able to pull a date off of daygame? If not then the problem is not with your bank account.