Quote: (11-08-2013 12:53 AM)Enigma Wrote:
Quote: (11-07-2013 11:57 PM)T and A Man Wrote:
Of course.
I would also assert that that is the only place where Asian women are present in caucasian countries.
They're Lucy Liu in "Pay Back" or the sidekick in "Elementary"... and not the Lucy Liu who pissed off the fatties in a chick film Charlie's angels.
They are the thin models who say "I'm fit after 3 kids, what's your excuse?"
They're not the binge drinking, party girl like Brigid Jones... who of course is a white women.
I, and I don't think the others are saying, that asian women are widely bound to the point of majority, that they are this decades new hip accessory. I'm saying that asian women are evident only in male markets, and then they are portrayed as partners, sidekicks or to a lesser extent, salacious fuck toys. Also, their numbers in this role exceed their proportion in the community.
When men demand asian women, it's in a greater proportion to the numbers.
But asian womens ONLY exposure in media is because men want them there, the areas where men are consumers.
Their are no rom coms, as the quirky female lead who has trials and tribulations of the photocopy of her ass going viral,
there are no asian women lusting after vampires and werewolves...
or in other words, they are not something white women want in a position to emulate.
Lucy Liu? The chick is in her 40s.
You're arguing the strengths of Asian women as a race. I'm arguing that they are not the "most desired" as in the preference of the majority which is what the article and thread title claim.
I personally haven't argued them as the most desired race, I came in on page two when it had segued into beta dorks liking asians because they can't get any better, and that the sterotype of them as passive bits of fuckmeat isn't correct.
I put forward a point that I don't believe that to be the case. I also pointed to that the stereotype is being perpetuated by the worst kinds of people.
My point with people like Lucy Liu is that any Asian women of prominence are being put there by the desires of men. No asian woman is being elevated by other women.
Women are blocking the advancement of asian women, whereas men are bringing them forward.. and not because these men are pathetic dorks.
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So a non-sexualised environment?
Erin Andrews isn't sexualized?
Don't know, I'm Australian and don't know of any male or female American sports hosts. I know that sports presentation has less sexual frission as it plays on the combat side of the male brain.
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I would also assert they are a minority of the advertising market
There are numerous products that appeal specifically to men. Even in those "minority" markets, there are no big Asian female names.
That's not what I meant by 'minority'.
This is a retort to your response over 'men aren't consumers of media'. There may have been some ambiguity. i don't mean that male representation, and value, is zero. I mean it's not the driving force.
Women, and namely white women, are the driving force. White women are always the blockage preventing representation of asian women at a mainstream level.
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I wouldn't agree with that at all. That said, Megan Fox isn't a rom-com, or drama lead.
She's also a partner, sidekick or salacious fuck toy in all her films,and rarely a lead.
Megan Fox is famous for being hot.
Her role in the movie is irrelevant. Show me Asian women in those roles?
it isn't irrelevant. Hot still has to meet the approval of women.
I agree, there are very few asian women in hollywood, but if they are present, they are only there because of their hotness.
They are never represented by a woman with trials and tribulations, or her high-school angst, or her ability to be a secret agent and kick the ass of 250lb guys.
I am iterating the very narrow scope of the images they portray, not the frequency of the images they portray.
As I stated earlier, I never subscribed to the "OMG... Asian chicks number one bro". My dialogue here has started off from the image of asian women perpetuated by the lower forms of life in American media.
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They are fringe players in media, that I agree men do consume.
But there's no denying that women's consumption of media overwhelms than of men.
What does women's consumption have to do with it?
It has everything to do with what has been discussed in the last page. The frequency of asians in the media, is all about consumption of imagery.
They are largely absent, because the consumption of media is largely due to the tastes of white women. The same white women who also denegrate asian women.
Thus the confirmation is there, with the exception being that when asian women are present, its always down the male preferences.
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You are arguing that American men prefer Asian women but can not give me examples of Asian women even in media made by American men for American men.
I'm not, I know the OP is making that argument.
But I am making the argument the preference of males, whilst not a majority as the OP may infer, is still of a number disportionate the the asian population.
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Nope, but I don't classify it as mainstream media. I will readily acknowledge that is a male domain.
I would also assert it has a relatively high exposure of images of asian women.
Also, male domain, asian women being sought after.
Where? What American games feature Asian women? Even most of the Japanese games that became famous in America featured white characters.
No they don't, they are all clearly asiatic.
It is white cultural hubris that continues to mistake that the whitening of skin and enlagening of the eyes are due to the white race.
Skin bleaches have existed in Asia long before European global hegemony, and wide eyes are a known biological trigger.
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Heheh, you don't look for poise and grace in porn.
Bro you just said porn was where Asian women "exceed their numbers in the relative population". Yet they are not the most popular pornstars with American men.
You made mention of 2 in the top 50, 4%. Asian americans are 4.81%, and that includes Indians, Bangladeshis and the like, who wouldn't be considered.
4% is larger that their proportion, and thats when the bias isn't the entire population, but an elite end.
I would assert that asian representation across all female porn performers is yet greater than 4%.
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If American men preferred Asian women, Asian pornstars would be at least AS popular as white or latina or black pornstars regardless of their prevalence in the industry.
Again, I personally haven't made that argument.
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People are claiming that Asian women are the most desired but can not provide anything more than anecdotal evidence on the issue whereas I'm pointing out male dominated markets where they are clearly not the preference.
Either am I.