[JayJuanGee]

(04-10-2014 04:06 AM)TopPanda Wrote:  

I was slim till I changed to a career in IT - then my belly appeared and won't go away.

My Thai bar gf used to think I was pregnant, not that I was overweight compared to most of the farangs you see in Thailand!

The only thing that makes me lose weight is not eating. But that's kind of hard when food is my mistress.

Have you read through this thread?

Have you tried anything else besides calorie restrictions?

Personally, I think cutting carbs is a good first step b/c they are addicting and cause guys to eat more.

Also, when we are younger we can eat lots of crap, but it seems to start to catch up to us. Are you familiar with low/carb and paleo approaches. That worked for me, and I did NOT really cut calories, just began to eat a lot fewer of foods that convert to sugar....

[Tail Gunner]

(04-10-2014 04:12 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I did NOT really cut calories, just began to eat a lot fewer of foods that convert to sugar....

That is exactly the key. I just lost twenty pounds doing exactly that. See post #33.

Please . . . will everyone begin using some accuracy in their discussions (not just JayJuanGee). Instead of saying carbs, say "refined foods" or "denatured foods." Carbohydrates also include complex carbohydrates, such as vegetables, fruits, and whole grains -- things that are good for you. Simple carbohydrates are the problem, not complex carbohydrates. It is absolutely essential to know the difference.

[Giovonny]

(04-10-2014 03:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I'm cool with Bro-science.. so long that it seems somewhat practical, and does NOT really contradict anything that I believe

Looking at what I wrote above.. Is there anything that contradicts "real" science or your beliefs???

(04-10-2014 04:12 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

cutting carbs is a good first step b/c they are addicting and cause guys to eat more.

eat a lot fewer of foods that convert to sugar....

Awesome. I am learning from this..

Question:

What foods were you eating that convert to sugar?

[JayJuanGee]

(04-10-2014 12:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 03:41 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I'm cool with Bro-science.. so long that it seems somewhat practical, and does NOT really contradict anything that I believe

Looking at what I wrote above.. Is there anything that contradicts "real" science or your beliefs???

I am NOT really sure how to answer this b/c there are a couple of things that you wrote that are good but they vary a little bit from the emphasis that I would give - maybe just individual variance.

Probably my main variance of emphasis would be to make sure that there is a variety of animal fats in ones diet and weekly routine - not just chicken and fish (you mentioned this for the salad). A little chicken is o.k. in a diet, but there are problems with chicken in that chickens are generally high in omega 6 fat and eating GMO grains.. So I would NOT necessarily emphasize chicken as being a preferable source of protein and/or fat - as compared with making sure to get a variety of protein and fat from a variety of animals.. pork is inexpensive and good for you... and beef and other sources are good too.

Personally, I am too cheap to buy organic meats b/c I do NOT really know what it means b/c labeling laws vary so much, but if guys have means to ensure that they are getting better quality free range meats, then it would be good to pay a little more for that. Or, if I was in a better location, with a more permanent base, it is good to find farmers to source foods directly and to freeze (not practical for everyone of course).

IN your summary, you did NOT really mention the role of dietary fats, and I think that leaving out the role of fat could leave guys to come to varying conclusions about whether or NOT fat is important.. b/c we are frequently so brainwashed by mainstream media about LOW fat supposedly being good.. when the exact opposite is the truth... In essence we are lied to about dietary fat and given subtle messages that seem to imply that fat makes us fat. and they tend to continue to juxtapose ideas about transfat and saturated fat, as if they were the same. On the contrary these two kinds of fats are NOT the same. Saturated fat is good for us, and transfats are man made and our bodies cannot process them... but they mimic and substitute for saturated fats. Lots of confusing info in mainstream about fats and oils and what is in our foods.

So, besides making sure to include animal fats in a dietary regime and our discussion of such, coconut oil is good, avocado is good and butter is good and just making sure to cut out various processed oils - or at least if you end up eating foods with unknown fat sources (such as vegetable, corn, soybean or some of these other random oils) then make sure to balance it out by getting some good fats within that same week. Maybe a little bit of olive oil is o.k. too, but it really gets too much airplay in my thinking...

(04-10-2014 12:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 04:12 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

cutting carbs is a good first step b/c they are addicting and cause guys to eat more.

eat a lot fewer of foods that convert to sugar....

Awesome. I am learning from this..

Question:

What foods were you eating that convert to sugar?

Here's where my thinking varies with Tail Gunner's post above, and I do NOT necessarily want to get into any battle of the good carb versus bad carbs... but essentially all carbs convert to glucose in our system, so we need to modify how much of them we eat.. and how much in any given settings should be balanced out with proteins and fats.

There is some truth to the simple versus complex carb question, but making this distinction still tends to be misleading in my mind to suggest that the complex carbs are somehow and supposedly good for us, when we likely do NOT really need them. Yes, we could probably live longer on complex carbs as compared to simple carbs, but so what, they are NOT essential nutrients.

If we are going to restrict anything in our diet, then restricting carbs down to less than 30% would be good (and maybe even better to restrict to less than 20%).

Carbs from whole natural foods is better than the processed for sure, and all of us tend to agree about cutting out most (if not all) processed foods. I would NOT categorize grains or legumes or whatever of any sort (corn, wheat, oat, soy, beans) as being nutritious, even though we can tolerate them and get some nutrition from them.. especially if we were starving and without better food sources, such as meat and fat.

There may be some micronutrients in some of the carbs including fruits and vegetables (and digestive enzymes as you mentioned), but many times, a lot of the micronutrients are also contained in meats or in eggs in higher proportions than they are in these non-meat food sources. So if we are eating for digestive enzymes, then o.k..... no problem with that.

IN essence, I do NOT buy into that Michael Pollan maxim about eating NOT too much and mostly plants. That maxim has been embedded into our mainstream thinking to get us to think that supposedly grains are good for us or that whole grains are supposedly better than processed grains b/c they have more micronutrients. That is a distraction in my thinking b/c there may be a bit of a conspiracy here too b/c if the whole human population ate meat, then our whole food supply would be different, and maybe would NOT be able to sustain 7 billion people.

I am NOT opposed to a little bit of fruits and vegetables in our diet, but really we likely don't really need too much of these kinds of foods so long as we are getting our main nutrients from meat and fat. So, why emphasize these non-meat and fat sources as supposedly being good for us, if we do NOT really need them? I personally think that we are being deceived on purpose.

In essence, I am NOT really opposed to eating a couple of servings of these kinds of non-meat and non-fat foods daily, and they are probably o.k. for dietary variety and digestion, as you mentioned. But I would NOT suggest anywhere near to what FDA or these mainstream has been suggesting about 7 daily servings or whatever baloney that is merely to get people to subsist off of non-meat sources.... one or two servings may be more than sufficient.

And even suggestions that vegetarianism is supposedly good for people.. I doubt it, even though some people can tolerate vegetarianism more than others..., but frequently, there are a lot of problems with attempting to get nutrients from non meat sources. Now I may be opening up a can of worms...and beginning to ramble too much?

Finally, I just want to mention that if a guy attempts to modify his diet by cutting out carbs and NOT increasing his consumption of good fats, then he is going to run into similar problems of too much glucose in his blood system from eating the lean protein. Protein converts to glucose too, so we need to increase the intake of fat in our diets when we decrease carbs.. and make sure that we are getting adequate protein.

I would suggest:
Carbs: 20-40% of diet (closer to 20% would be better)
Protein: 35% of diet.... (minimum of 25% and no more than 50%)
Fat: 35% of diet (30 to 50% is o.k and more does NOT hurt)

[roberto]

I agree wholeheartedly with JJG above. In a nutshell, get your carbs from veg and a small amount of fruit.

Regarding 'broscience'- it can indeed be used as a derogatory term for bad science, but in this case I prefer to think of it as real men helping each other by sharing their diet experiences and results, which may not be accepted as the scientific truth but nevertheless bring real benefits.

[samsamsam]

Question for those who have been shrinking the belly. I have been doing IF and losing weight, getting more cut.

Does your stomach feel weird? Talking about the skin. Sometimes I feel the skin and it feels loose. But then once in a while I will squeeze it and it feels like little bubbles inside - if that makes any sense. From reading on the web, the skin will tighten up over time, but the bubbles seem sort of random.

Anyone experience this?

Thanks.

[Giovonny]

Because of this thread, my belly has been getting smaller everyday.

Because of this thread, I stopped eating out and made a bunch of home made food.

Beans, wild rice, chicken soup, yams, etc.

Because of this thread, my breakfast has been a smoothie of milk, walnuts, dates, and oatmeal, with organic protein powder.

My lunch has been eggs and avocados with salsa and corn tortillas.

My dinner has been my soup.

I snack on nuts and fruit.

I don't eat after dinner.

My belly is getting smaller everyday.

The biggest reason is because eating out is often more fattening then we realize. a lot of restaurant food looks clean but it has a lot more added butter and oils then we might use at home.

I am eating much cleaner in general.

The other big reason is not eating at night.

I also cut out dessert.

My belly is getting smaller everyday!

I'm looking forward to a report from Moma!

[Moma]

I'm just going to post a daily food diary. The only time I deviate from the script is when lizards decide to cook for me.

Yesterday's meal consisted of:

- Brown rice
- Chicken stew (seasoned with sea salt, two sticks of thyme, a dash of paprika, curry powder, black pepper, pimento, half a chopped onion, a crushed garlic lobe.
- Hunts Tomato paste to give the stew some body.
- Apples
My gateway vice:

A few handfuls of Ways Potato Chips (regular) through the day as apples just get me hungry eventually.

I've also cycle locally and I went for a run in the park nearby me for about 20 mins.

I will do this every other day and might try a fartlek from time to time.

[invictusiii]

For anyone who is having trouble choosing and preparing meals in order to lose the belly fat, I would recommend getting a slow cooker. Every Sunday night I throw in some sort of meat and veggies together along with spices and have myself food that lasts the entire week. This combined with IF has helped my belly to start shrinking drastically over that past few weeks. I'll be eating some spicy chicken chili this week.

[JayJuanGee]

(05-19-2014 08:08 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I'm just going to post a daily food diary. The only time I deviate from the script is when lizards decide to cook for me.

Yesterday's meal consisted of:

- Brown rice
- Chicken stew (seasoned with sea salt, two sticks of thyme, a dash of paprika, curry powder, black pepper, pimento, half a chopped onion, a crushed garlic lobe.
- Hunts Tomato paste to give the stew some body.
- Apples
My gateway vice:

A few handfuls of Ways Potato Chips (regular) through the day as apples just get me hungry eventually.

I've also cycle locally and I went for a run in the park nearby me for about 20 mins.

I will do this every other day and might try a fartlek from time to time.

Before you made your post, I had gathered that you were planning to post several days' eating at a time, like a food journal, yet I am fairly confident that your post is NOT ALL of what you ate in one day? And you are being somewhat selective with us. So, in essence, we cannot even see one whole day of what you ate from your post, and we cannot even see what your diet is like over a more extended period.

Initially, I was under the impression that you were going to post a week at a time or some longer time-period. I think that it would be good to show us a food journal that shows everything the good, bad and the ugly over three days to a week at a time.

Even if lizards are cooking for you, you should keep track of this kind of thing. I am NOT opposed to a certain quantity of eating whatever the hell you want, so long as about 80% of your total food intake is within "healthy" guidelines. The devil is in the details regarding what is "healthy" - b/c it seems that people continue to get mainstream ideas of healthy mixed up with what is actually healthy.

For one thing, snacking on some kind of raw nut would be better than potato chips - almond, walnut, macadamia (NOT peanuts). Or maybe snacking on a salted and peppered boiled egg, if you feel that you need salt. Or Sardines could be a good snack, if you feel that you are NOT getting filled up from your meals. You already conceded that the chips are bad, but you did NOT say the quantity that you are eating, and despite the damage that they are causing in themselves, they are likely causing you to crave the eating of other bad foods... sugars and bad fats.

Regarding fat:
It seems that you need additional good fat in your diet in order to help to fill you up.. and to get proper nutrition. I know people feel that they do NOT want to eat fat b/c they somehow buy into the mainstream propaganda that eating fat will make you fat, but try to incorporate eating fats into your diet and your cravings for snacks will likely diminish. Good fats can be butter, coconut oil, animal fat from pork or beef - which is also called lard or tallow. Or fat from fish would be good, from sardines or from salmon. Egg yolks are another decent source of fat. A problem with fat from chicken is that it may be too high in Omega 6 fat, which causes you to need to eat more Omega 3s to balance out the Omega 6s. In other words, if you cut down on Omega 6s, then you do NOT have to eat as many omega 3s in order to maintain some balance.

By the way, what kind of fat are you eating on a daily basis? Olive oil or corn oil or vegetable oil? Do you eat real butter or do you eat some kind of butter substitute, like margarine?

The potato chips likely have a form of hydrogenated oil or partially hydrogenated oil, which is a transfat, and definitely NOT good for your body b/c it causes inflammation and your body cannot adequately process transfats. Actually, I would NOT trust the ingredients list on the potato chips, anyhow, and even you said earlier, Moma, that you were curious what "added flavorings" were on a package. It could be MSG or something else.. who the fuck knows, but you want to be very moderate in putting those kinds of known unknowns into your body.

People tend to have misconceptions, based on a lot of mainstream repeating of the dogma that eating fat makes us fat, but it is generally the opposite, and increasing fat (the right kinds), will satiate your appetite and cause you NOT to crave as many bad foods.... and eating fat will NOT have any detrimental effect on your body. Fat is produced in the body from excess carbohydrates and excess starches. And, even if you eat a lot of protein without fat (some call lean proteins), then your body will produce fat from the glucose conversion of those lean proteins. We need fat in order to not over eat the proteins and the fat will also help us to digest our other foods better.


Regarding carbs/starches:
I would make sure that I go light on the brown rice - a maximum of one meal per day and only a handful (and that may even be too much - maybe three times a week for rice would be sufficient). Maybe you believe that eating brown rice is somehow nutritious b/c it is brown rice? I doubt that it makes much difference if you are eating brown rice or white rice, you need to keep the portions small. I am of the opinion that the only real good you get from any kind of rice or starch is the resistance starch to assist in feeding the good bacteria in your gut -otherwise you do NOT need to much of these kinds of carbs.

For your carbs, eat greens in butter or fat such as coconut oil or animal fat (with added salt if you feel you need salt). I am NOT opposed to salt. As long as you are eating other good foods, your body will tell you how much salt it needs, but potato chips and other processed foods are NOT a good source of salt b/c they contain a lot of other ingredients (besides the salt) that probably cause you to crave bad food - like MSG and transfat.

I am also NOT opposed to potatoes in small amounts, maybe three times a week or so. Accordingly, you could make your own potato chips for snack to cook them in better oils (such as butter or animal fat) would be an improvement, but ultimately potato chips may NOT be a good snack - especially if you are already eating rice and then you may end up eating too many carbs/starches.

It would be good to see what is your total carb load for the day and maybe even better to see what your total carb load looks like on a typical week - talking specifics and quantities. Just carry around a note pad and write down everything that you eat for a week or two, and give it to us in its raw form with specifics.. he he he.

If you insist that you need rice and/or potatoes every day, then I would make sure the portions are pretty small - maybe less than a handful in total each day, especially if you are eating one or both of these every day, then it would be good to see quantities of other foods that you are eating. You did NOT really give us any meaningful sense of the quantities of food that you are eating.


Even though I may sound a little dogmatic in my views about eating, I certainly am of the view that people ultimately can choose to have some "bad" items in their diet or some items that are NOT really essential and that people eat a variety of foods and their bodies are able to process those bad foods.. such as limited deserts. I tend to be a little more dogmatic about taking process foods out of the diet, yet even with process foods, it can be o.k. to keep some of that in your diet, as long as it remains a fairly small percentage of the overall intake ( for example, less than 20% on a weekly basis), but the slippery slope with any bad routine is that you may NOT even realize the level that your diet creeps back into bad habits and you begin to eat too much of the "bad" foods.

[Moma]

jayjuan,

Everything I posted yesterday was ALL I ate. I am very Spartan with my eating at times.

I am very doubtful that it is my portion size. I'm a large man and eating one meal a day will NOT suffice. I tried that before and I felt faint. Eating raw nuts only makes my belly sag towards the ground. They do nothing for me and just makes me hungry. Did it before and felt like it was a waste of money.

I find it easier to do it daily because carrying around a notepad is a pain.

I will try and record portion sizes.

[Onto]

This diet gets the belly down for me.

Breakfast: 3 scrambled eggs. Grease pan with butter. Some natural Almonds and black coffee.

Lunch: Mixed greens with grilled chicken, green olives, carrots, peppers and snap peas. Dressing is Olive Oil and Balsamic Vinegar. 1 Orange or Grapefruit.

Mid-Day Snack: Natural Almonds

Dinner: Either steak or canned tuna. Natural Almonds

No cheese, No starch, No refined sugar and drink only water.

[Moma]

oh yes, I only drink water.

[JayJuanGee]

(05-19-2014 11:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  

jayjuan,

Everything I posted yesterday was ALL I ate. I am very Spartan with my eating at times.

I am very doubtful that it is my portion size. I'm a large man and eating one meal a day will NOT suffice. I tried that before and I felt faint. Eating raw nuts only makes my belly sag towards the ground. They do nothing for me and just makes me hungry. Did it before and felt like it was a waste of money.

I find it easier to do it daily because carrying around a notepad is a pain.

I will try and record portion sizes.

Generally, I do NOT subscribe to theories that a guy should eat less and exercise more. So, I would NOT at first push in any direction of calorie restriction or to suggest that any guy is NOT exercising enough.

I view diet first, sleep second and exercise third.

If your total food intake for the day was as you stated, then that does NOT seem like enough food. Also, portions may matter if you are eating a lot of apples or a lot of potato chips or if the portions of one food versus another food seems to be imbalanced.

Onto's list of food items seems pretty decent for any particular day.... though in practice, there may be some variation, I would imagine. I like the eggs in the morning... and I wonder, if some guys here have an aversion to pork or to bacon? But adding bacon and avocado to breakfast could be good... maybe a few times a week (doesn't have to be every day). I think that if you start out with a good breakfast - low in the carb category, then you may NOT feel any need to eat again until many hours later.

Moma, you stated that you tend to want to snack on the potato chips, and I was attempting to respond to that by giving some suggestions.... to substitute for the potato chips, and nuts was one possibility (nuts do not have to be exclusive, just an example of some kind of item to get away from the potato chips and to add some fat).

Personally, I tend to vary what I snack on, if I snack. In my earlier post, I provided a few examples of snacks, but I think my main point about snacking is to get away from processed foods in your snacks. So for example, if you feel a need to snack then try to snack on something in which you know the ingredients. I sometimes will have coffee and real cream (not imitation cream and no sugar added) between meals. I sometimes will have a form of juice - which is NOT really juicing, but blending. My favorite recent ingredient is combining coconut and some other items (usually NOT any sweets) such as vegetables or lemons with the skin. Avocado would be a good snack too... .. my main point is that you get away from processed foods with the snacks.... that is why I mentioned the boiled egg, as well.. trying to add some good fat can help to take away the need to snack.

I do NOT drink any processed juices or even diet beverages, so the suggestion about water is good.

Yet, the drinks that I make are NOT sweetened and usually do NOT contain much, if any fruit, and are blended in order to keep some of the fiber (and chewiness). Young coconut juice (gotten from the coconut) can be o.k., too, even though there may be some natural sweet to that. Then you can eat and scoop out the meat from the coconut, too.

[Moma]

I eat the same food that I listed over and over generally. Maybe six meals a day of the same ish..my dishes are usually a regular bowl size..I will take a pic of it and upload it shortly.

[JayJuanGee]

(05-19-2014 12:30 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I eat the same food that I listed over and over generally. Maybe six meals a day of the same ish..my dishes are usually a regular bowl size..I will take a pic of it and upload it shortly.

Maybe someone else should chime in here?

If it really is true that the above posted items are the staple of your diet, then you seem to be missing some variety - accordingly, missing some macro and micro nutrients.

Onto's list has much more variety.. even though it is NOT very much longer.

I am NOT that big into greens, but throwing a little greens in for digestion would be good.. and I need NOT repeat my concerns about the absence of fats in your diet.... and chicken fat is NOT sufficient... at least tuna a few times a week, at a minimum would be better than merely chicken.


HELP!!!!!! SOMEONE HELP.... Moma needs help.

[Moma]

I go through bouts, and sometimes I blend (I got the nutribullet) I blend a whole heap of veg and fruit and chug it down.

I also eat raw aloe vera every other day, does that count for something

[Bill]

Ok I after a failed bulking where I ate like there is no tomorrow I realised that food went to the belly. So I started diet. Slowly I got read of the fun food. Now my diet is meal 3 times a day where I eat 2 eggs with little bit of vegs. I use proteing powder with not to much milk. So in 3 day people already noticed my face got leaner and my belly is less.

When things go that good I might be serious about project abs. That would be great if I would get them with age 40 for the first time. Let´s see.

[el mechanico]

(05-19-2014 01:00 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I go through bouts, and sometimes I blend (I got the nutribullet) I blend a whole heap of veg and fruit and chug it down.

I also eat raw aloe vera every other day, does that count for something

Aloe? That shit grows in my yard, i should eat it?

[Moma]

(05-19-2014 01:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 01:00 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I go through bouts, and sometimes I blend (I got the nutribullet) I blend a whole heap of veg and fruit and chug it down.

I also eat raw aloe vera every other day, does that count for something

Aloe? That shit grows in my yard, i should eat it?

It's bitter as fcuk, you might want to wash it down with some vodka and crystal lights.

[speakeasy]

I have a bit of a belly I've never been able to get rid of now matter what changes I've made. Even during times where I was rigorously active in fight classes and such. I was working out at the gym and doing up hill mountain biking all the time too. Made barely a dent in my belly fat. When I do lose weight, I feel like it's not fat I lose, it's muscle mass. So going on a diet just makes me skinny fat rather than skinny and lean. I think it's just genetics. My legs are very lean, maybe around 10% body fat. I can barely even pinch up any skin on my legs. My arms I can see a bit of muscular definition. But my mid section is where all my body fat gets stored. I've pretty much just given up on ever having a six pack.

[JayJuanGee]

(05-20-2014 02:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I have a bit of a belly I've never been able to get rid of now matter what changes I've made. Even during times where I was rigorously active in fight classes and such. I was working out at the gym and doing up hill mountain biking all the time too. Made barely a dent in my belly fat. When I do lose weight, I feel like it's not fat I lose, it's muscle mass. So going on a diet just makes me skinny fat rather than skinny and lean. I think it's just genetics. My legs are very lean, maybe around 10% body fat. I can barely even pinch up any skin on my legs. My arms I can see a bit of muscular definition. But my mid section is where all my body fat gets stored. I've pretty much just given up on ever having a six pack.

I believe all of us guys, as we age, we have more challenges regarding keeping our bellies lean. I mean the belly is where we first begin to accumulate fat.

I think that there are various decent suggestions throughout this thread, but in essence, I believe that diet and rest are more important than exercise.... at least when it comes to belly fat. Surely, there is some truth to genetics; however, sometimes people will use genetics too much as a cructch or an excuse to suggest that matters are out of their control.

Maybe you want to post your diet?

Upthread, I mentioned wheatbellies by dr. william davis and I also mentioned some gary taubes' s books and the books of Mary enig as good reading sources.

Several of us, here, have talked about cutting carbs, sugars and processed foods (including sweetened and unsweetened drinks) from our diet.. Maybe you want to give some description of your diet or your beliefs in that regard? or do you just believe it's genetics?

(05-19-2014 01:48 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 01:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 01:00 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I go through bouts, and sometimes I blend (I got the nutribullet) I blend a whole heap of veg and fruit and chug it down.

I also eat raw aloe vera every other day, does that count for something

Aloe? That shit grows in my yard, i should eat it?

It's bitter as fcuk, you might want to wash it down with some vodka and crystal lights.

I'm NOT really that familiar with Aloe Vera, either, so I am really NOT very certain about how it helps in the diet. I thought that it was in sun burn protection.... Accordingly, I am NOT sure about how well it contributes to a well balanced diet - and certainly, I get the sense with Moma, that he (and probably a lot of others reading this thread) have a dietary fat phobia. I believe that a lot of you guys really believe in your subconscious that eating fat makes you fat, so your minds are NOT ready for the concept to increase some of your good fats in your diet will probably help you to loose belly fat in your bodies. That is my working theory... he he he about the dietary fat phobia of society, RVF members included...

[spalex]

Alright so I probably have this wheat belly I think.
Somebody summarize which foods I should cut out or supplement.

[roberto]

(05-20-2014 03:04 AM)spalex Wrote:  

Alright so I probably have this wheat belly I think.
Somebody summarize which foods I should cut out or supplement.

Jeez, didn't you read the first five pages?

In a nutshell (pun intended) cut out all grains. That's out completely. Get your carbs from veggies. We didn't need grains for thousands of years- we don't need them now.

Eggs, green vegetables and quality meats/fish with all the fat is a superb, balanced diet for most people IMHO. At the very least it's a starting point which is easy to follow, and you can supplement things once your settled onto it.

@ Onto- I've been back on the cheese (every day with salad) for the last couple of months. Belly fat has increased. Giving it the boot again, hoping that will do the trick. Goddam it I love it though.

[JayJuanGee]

(05-20-2014 03:04 AM)spalex Wrote:  

Alright so I probably have this wheat belly I think.
Somebody summarize which foods I should cut out or supplement.

If you have a wheat belly, I would suggest cutting wheat.