Quote: (07-26-2013 06:33 PM)pitt Wrote:
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Quote: (07-26-2013 04:58 PM)pitt Wrote:
If you guys think that Zimmerman would shoot Trayvon if Trayvon was white, then you must be kidding yourself.
Anyhow, here's a question for you based on your video. The black ladies also failed to call out the white guy and said something about how they didn't expect to see a white guy with burglary tools. Which brings the question to mind - what if a black man had "racially profiled" Trayvon that night and got attacked and then killed him in defense?
Would blacks be demanding justice and threatening a civil rights suit then? Would they be calling for blood and threatening family members?
If the answer is no, then why do it in the case of a Hispanic? If racial profiling is real - and in this case, I insist it was at least somewhat warranted given the racial profile of the burglars targeting that neighborhood - then isn't it the entire society's problem? Why should one man be punished for jumping to a conclusion even black people themselves would have jumped to?
I completely agree with you on here. Actually if you look at one of the videos that i posted where the author talks about black hypocrisy, you will see that he is highlighting what you are saying here. I also think that is foolish for black people to gather together for this incident when there are so many black on black crime and nobody gives a fuck.
Okay, I got you. I must admit I haven't gotten a chance to watch all the videos you posted. I'm in Cambodia and my internet is slow. I'll give them a look later.
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My point is just that society (that means all race, even blacks) discriminate more blacks than any other race, it is called the halo effect. It is not fair, it is not right but it's reality. Many times i walked into supermarket stores and i was followed by security guards who happened to be black and I am sure i was a suspect because of the way i dressed and because i am black.
I believe you that it does exist. I do think that some blacks fail to realize it happens to a lot of the rest of us though too. I've been followed and lurked on by security guards as well - I just couldn't say it was because of being black because, well, I'm not.
So what was it for? Just because I looked like a possible candidate for trouble, I suppose. I think racial profiling does exist, but I also think there's a tendency to ignore the other variables involved in favor of blaming it on skin color.
For instance, you also mentioned it was partly because of the way you were dressed. But you kind of threw that in as an "extra detail." Do you think a black man dressed differently than you would have warranted the same reaction?
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Now, i am not necessarily deffending Trayvon because he was black, i would be saying the same thing if Trayvon was white, i just think that it is unfair for Zimmerman to walk away free when he killed someone. Are you telling me that this guy doesnt even deserve a minimum sentence of 5 years in prison?
Okay, I understand you.
Unfortunately, my answer
for the time being is that no, based on what I know about the case I don't think he should have gotten a minimum sentence of 5 years, though perhaps that would have been at least a possibility if the prosecution hadn't pursued such blown-up, out-of-proportion charges.
Simply put, I'm a believer in the idea that men should have the right to use deadly force if someone attacks them and they don't want to be attacked. It's far different than two man squaring up and deciding to have a boxing match over a grudge. If someone is underneath you screaming for help and you don't stop, well, our laws give them the right to use deadly force against you.
And given that Zimmerman didn't know his attacker, he had no way of knowing how it would all end. No one has the right to take away another man's power and right to safety in a civilized society.
If you don't think that law is just, all you really can do is try to remove it from the books. But even then we couldn't go back and retry the case based on new laws.
Once again, you can always make an argument that things didn't go down like Zimmerman said, but without any evidence of that it just seems a bit irrelevant, as it doesn't have any legal weight.
Anyways, I think people get upset because they hear about an unarmed 17-year-old getting shot who was just walking home from the store. And given those details it is upsetting indeed. But we can't convict just based on being upset. That's not how the system works and once we start using that as the basis for legal decisions we open up a huge can of toxic worms.
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Guys I am not going to waste my time arguing if Zimmerman is guilty or if he is innocent. Treyvon is gone and there is nothing i can do about this.
I am going back to work on my project.
I hear you, bro - I don't really want to return to arguing it to death either. No hard feelings.
Time for me to catch some much-delayed sleep.
Beyond All Seas
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling