Quote: (07-03-2013 08:16 AM)Bolthouse Wrote:
iknowexactly,
Some people say prison rape in the US is completely overblown or total bullshit. What's your stance on how often it occurs?
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The specific act of rape probably isn't that common, but I doubt it's a myth. Everyone that worked in Calif prisons (I worked in prisoner health care) had to take a training in recognizing and acting on reports of sexual abuse, I think they were serious and would have responded if I ever reported a complaint from a prisoner. However, I heard of no complaint I remember over several years of work there.
TL;DR Standard IKE librul rant:
Everything I say is based on experience from California and other progressive states where lawsuits from a prisoner would not be automatically ignored like they might be in some places. However, it took even California a long time to come around to prisoners having basic human rights. In the 1980's there were successful lawsuits for mistreatment of prisoners with mental illness that were based on true facts verified by me from first hand reports of veteran prison workers. These lawsuits resulting in California being forced by the Feds to improve conditions to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
You don't have to count on anyone's good will with these things: the prisons have been and will be sued for shit like that, they don't want prisoners suiciding ( there is a major investigation after each suicide) and they don't want them raping each other. If you were a prison guard, would you want that shit going on in YOUR unit?
Over the last ten years the guards have become pretty enlightened and probably serve as the biggest rehabilitation factor for the prisoners, just because they act professional, are gruff but basically polite, and do what they're supposed to do. Of course people have bad days and pick on others.
But one of the good things about the first world is the implicit belief that just because someone else has descended to the level of an raging animal, doesn't mean you have to do it too. It's why the first world is clean and hygienic, and not obsessed with revenge-- so we aren't trapped in an economy-destroying, cousin-marrying, car-bombing 14th century replay like Afghanistan.
However, this concern about rape misses the whole point about what a horror prison would be for someone who is not a brutal animal of a hardened criminal.
Guys that are in max security prisons are there 98-99% of the time for very, very good reasons. I've looked at their arrest summaries and many have been arrested for violent crimes 10-30 times, and that's the times they're CAUGHT so actually a lot of them have victimized (raped, robbed, beaten severely, shot or stabbed-- I'm not talking about a brief bar fight where someone is knocked down and not severely hurt) dozens or HUNDREDS of people.
The dominant prisoners are so ignorant, stupid and hateful that you cannot have a friend or often even a conversation with anyone not from your race group (white, mexican, black). It is considered being a race traitor. Probably a minority of the prisoners are racists like that, but the one that are are dominant. It's the opposite of political correctness, hate and ignorance are enforced by the social environment.
If you are a basically reasonable working class or middle class person, who doesn't see fighting as a standard conflict resolution method, a max security prison environment would be a hellish horror you can't possibly imagine, not because they prisoners are abused, which they aren't in Calif, but because the prisoners themselves as an aggregate are so psychologically damaged and filled with hate, stupidity and anger that just being around them is traumatic on some weird subtle level I can't explain.
Also it's why I am amused when people complain about the California police state. People who have never been in these places and complain about a cop giving them a jaywalking ticket have no idea about the unbelievable horror cops protect them from.
Does your house smell like shit right now? Probably not.
But how much do you think about sewers and the work it took to build and maintain them? It's all hidden. And so are the tens of thousands of total, total assholes in the max security places in California.
Not all prisoners are monstrous. Most aren't on a day to day basis. But there are people who got drunk once, killed their unfaithful wife and have no other violent history, guys who got caught with kilos ( but most of them are also violent) but most are just bad news you don't want around. The reasons behind it are so criminologically complex that it can't begin to be addressed here.
This guy Hernandez, probably thought it was sort of heroic to go around intimidating and shooting people who showed a tiny hint of anything other than worship of him.
He'll try to keep thinking that as long as he can for the next 40 years or so. He'll retain some notoriety in prison, the NFL will still be around in 30 years. A big fish in a little sewer.
Form media info, he really seems like the worst kind of prisoners I dealt with, rather proud of their brutality. Many prisoners are ashamed of their murders, they had slipped into being criminals gradually, through poverty and a total lack of the opportunity this guy had.
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