[Pilgrim37]

(09-09-2013 05:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Welcome cbstogner. Good story and pics. Your introduction has not been received well because of your success. If you posted instead that you bombed in Ukraine, you would get many messages of sympathy. Even when another guy was vouched by others, a high profile member tried to denounce him. For me I will assume everything you said is true until proven otherwise, because i know it's possible for men to achieve above the "average." What you have written doesn't strike me as particularly fictional.

We are skeptical because of the amount of trolls that have came through here. The more guys you interact with here, the less doubt you will receive.

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Roosh, quick question... Why did you choose Odessa?

I just wanted a fun summer environment, but I have been very disappointed with the nightlife.

Any possibility of coming a up with a Club promotion you might think would work there and suit your nightlife preference,and get you some local rep....
.long shot,but if you're going to stay there a while it could be worth starting in a small venue

[Greek kamaki]

Having interacted with Ukrainian and Russian females in Poland I have to admit the Ukrainian mindset is much more obvious to me than the polish one.Ukrainian follows a simple lay out with not many twists and peculiarities though more rough than the polish one which I would describe as smoother on the exterior.

[Greek kamaki]

I see advise here like tell them you are on work and lie to them as much as possible.What do you think most sex tourists do? The last time a sex tourist said he visited for tourism was in communism.

[TrueStory]

(10-06-2013 05:46 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I see advise here like tell them you are on work and lie to them as much as possible.What do you think most sex tourists do? The last time a sex tourist said he visited for tourism was in communism.

To understand ukrainian woman's thought process is rather a complex task. If you don't want to lie don't. However, you're minimizing your chances of one night stand (same night lay) if you are obviously here to fuck some bitches. I am getting sick and tired of pretentiously righteous non-liars players that claim they only say the "truth". We fucking lie all the time to people, in one way or another. So stop with this honest moralistic shit. Nobody will award you a medal if you tell her the truth why you really are in the country. If this sounds harsh, well, you wanted the truth.

In reality, it does not matter what you tell her, because, verbal communication (especially in the club) is irrelevant. I successfully told some girls that I am in the country to find wife, pickup girls, get laid. ("Да я сюда приехал девок снимать, прикинь, ты номер четыре!") Do you really think they care? They don't. If they like you and you act accordingly they will chalk it up to joking.

You guys are putting way too much thought into this shit. Really. It's easy to get girls in Ukraine, if you're foreigner. It's also easy to get girls in US if you're Eruopean.

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On a separate subject: Do you guys go out and drink? do you not drink? I am curious. In US i found that NOT drinking at all helps my game. After initial anxiety of not being buzzed, I discovered how easier it is to game sober. I guess I was lucky, when I started going out a lot, rsd instructors were in Miami on free tour. I got to hang out with tyler, julian and jeffy, and it was inspiring to see these guys pickup girls cold stone sober.

however, here in Ukraine, i find it difficult to stay sober. What do you guys think?

[Greek kamaki]

For every guy who promises marriage and breaks his promise another 10 guys will suffer since the news about guys frauds from the West spread quickly.
Also fake promises about staying in the country etc.This is the Arab Turkish mentality of promises.Why do you think these girls avoid Turks,Arabs and have a prejudice about certain ethnicities?

[TrueStory]

(10-06-2013 09:36 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

For every guy who promises marriage and breaks his promise another 10 guys will suffer since the news about guys frauds from the West spread quickly.
Also fake promises about staying in the country etc.This is the Arab Turkish mentality of promises.Why do you think these girls avoid Turks,Arabs and have a prejudice about certain ethnicities?

Bro, giving promises and not keeping them is shitty. But making her feel less like a slut is completely different.

You're not promising her marriage, nor you're telling her you're going to be with her and take her with you. You're just comforting the notion that you're not there just to get laid. Whatever she plays in her head-theater is her problem.

[jimukr104]

(10-06-2013 09:26 AM)TrueStory Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 05:46 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I see advise here like tell them you are on work and lie to them as much as possible.What do you think most sex tourists do? The last time a sex tourist said he visited for tourism was in communism.

To understand ukrainian woman's thought process is rather a complex task. If you don't want to lie don't. However, you're minimizing your chances of one night stand (same night lay) if you are obviously here to fuck some bitches. I am getting sick and tired of pretentiously righteous non-liars players that claim they only say the "truth". We fucking lie all the time to people, in one way or another. So stop with this honest moralistic shit. Nobody will award you a medal if you tell her the truth why you really are in the country. If this sounds harsh, well, you wanted the truth.

In reality, it does not matter what you tell her, because, verbal communication (especially in the club) is irrelevant. I successfully told some girls that I am in the country to find wife, pickup girls, get laid. ("Да я сюда приехал девок снимать, прикинь, ты номер четыре!") Do you really think they care? They don't. If they like you and you act accordingly they will chalk it up to joking.

You guys are putting way too much thought into this shit. Really. It's easy to get girls in Ukraine, if you're foreigner. It's also easy to get girls in US if you're Eruopean.

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On a separate subject: Do you guys go out and drink? do you not drink? I am curious. In US i found that NOT drinking at all helps my game. After initial anxiety of not being buzzed, I discovered how easier it is to game sober. I guess I was lucky, when I started going out a lot, rsd instructors were in Miami on free tour. I got to hang out with tyler, julian and jeffy, and it was inspiring to see these guys pickup girls cold stone sober.

however, here in Ukraine, i find it difficult to stay sober. What do you guys think?

No expert but I think it depends on the person. For many guys liquid lubricant helps them to have a HIGH energy vibe. But there are guys ,like me, who realized that when I drink I get buzzed but also get more DEPRESSED like state due to self reflection. I think that is probably common among those of Russian descent being the stoic brooding Russian so I GUESS drinking makes sense over there since Game is less about words. But in America last thing you want to do is drink if your eyes get glazed and your actual game deteriorates.
The solution is of course the order ONE drink and hold it ALL night. You get the comfort of having a drink without the effects or people bothering you to drink with them.Also you night game expenses become VERY cheap making it preferable to day game. I call it CLASSY game... drinking wine or a screwdriver ,etc works better than a beer,etc since those are drinks that people who are fans like to enjoy and savor.


"For every guy who promises marriage and breaks his promise another 10 guys will suffer since the news about guys frauds from the West spread quickly.
Also fake promises about staying in the country etc.This is the Arab Turkish mentality of promises.Why do you think these girls avoid Turks,Arabs and have a prejudice about certain ethnicities?"

Right on..agreed, but I don't think girls in night clubs are looking for ANY promises. For day gaming though I agree honesty is more important since your actually meeting NORMAL chicks and selling them. But both genders know the score if they go to night venues.

[rishboy77]

(10-06-2013 09:36 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Why do you think these girls avoid Turks,Arabs and have a prejudice about certain ethnicities?

I remember 1 girl on my recent trip who told me that some Turkish guys were now pretending to be "Italian" .... hoping the girls don't know the difference.

LOL

[jimukr104]

^^they are afraid of them because they are Muslim and have a reputation of mistreating women. However, its a big excuse. I read over 200k Russian chicks married to Turks. I once had an ex told me she disliked Turks..last I heard she was dating one, so who knows.The sex tourist rap has hurt them more still.
That's one of the reasons I say always open in English first....since Turks tend to know Russian even better than English sometimes. Let her here native English when she makes her first impression.
Actually pretending to be Greek and Italian could work..but most Italians are light skinned that they see..s Greek better disguise.

[Aliblahba]

Please tell me you guys can bestow some knowledge on borscht recipes. Whoever dials me in on something simple and authentic gets a rep point. People are real polar online with reviews and its hard to figure out what is what. I'm getting ready to make some today. Is this one getting me in the ballpark?


http://irinascutebox.blogspot.com/2012/0...beets.html

Not interested in adding meat. Getting ready to go Iron Chef on beets the next two days. Will start a thread.

[edlefou]

(10-12-2013 07:13 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Please tell me you guys can bestow some knowledge on borscht recipes.

I've been experimenting with borscht for a while and get the best results out of combining these 2 recipes: http://goo.gl/K8Oqfl and http://goo.gl/GNIuBl

The first one is similar to the link you posted, but it's simpler to prepare because it uses a slow cooker. However, the second one adds 2 important elements: caraway seeds and the technique of sauteing the onions in butter.

Sorrel can also be added in addition to the dill to make it more authentic.

I usually don't blend/puree. I like it chunky.

The dollop of sour cream is key. That's how they serve it in the old country.

I buy one of those bags of pre-washed shredded cabbage for cole slaw so I don't have to fuck with the cabbage.

Wear rubber gloves and an apron when grating the beets. That shit stains like a motherfucker.

Source: lived in Eastern Europe for a few years; grew up eating home-cooked borscht.

[Roosh]

For those of you who followed the Anna story, I will publish a proofread version on my blog from Monday-Friday and then an epilogue on Saturday so you can see what came of my decision.

[Videl]

I heard from some Turk that he went to Ukriane and scored with a chick every night. Very hot ones too. He has read no pick-up books and his English is good but not superb. God, I have to go to this goldmine called Ukriane. He said that girls would offer him to dance out of nowhere and then he would just take them home.

[WanderingSoul]

(10-13-2013 09:23 AM)Videl Wrote:  

I heard from some Turk that he went to Ukriane and scored with a chick every night. Very hot ones too. He has read no pick-up books and his English is good but not superb. God, I have to go to this goldmine called Ukriane. He said that girls would offer him to dance out of nowhere and then he would just take them home.

Did he specifically say he didn't pay them?

[Cattle Rustler]

(10-13-2013 09:23 AM)Videl Wrote:  

I heard from some Turk that he went to Ukriane and scored with a chick every night. Very hot ones too. He has read no pick-up books and his English is good but not superb. God, I have to go to this goldmine called Ukriane. He said that girls would offer him to dance out of nowhere and then he would just take them home.

The turk's story reeks p4p, turks have a pretty bad reputation in FSU for being thirsty simps and party poopers.

[Menace]

I wouldn't trust a Turk's story about what he did in the FSU. Turks are notoriously obsessed with the women from these regions, and the women there know this all too well. For sure it was p4p. Do you think normal girls who are generally not known for their SNL adventures are going to just jump on some Turkish guy? Please be a little more skeptical of such stories.

[WanderingSoul]

(10-13-2013 11:48 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I wouldn't trust a Turk's story about what he did in the FSU. Turks are notoriously obsessed with the women from these regions, and the women there know this all too well. For sure it was p4p. Do you think normal girls who are generally not known for their SNL adventures are going to just jump on some Turkish guy? Please be a little more skeptical of such stories.

Maybe he had a California drivers license?

[Videl]

He is a good looking guy.

[JohnQPublic]

I have no problem believing a guy can score, but when guys say they get large numbers of girls, usually they are going for low quality. If every night means 2 nights, OK, I can believe he got lucky two nights in a row with a hottie. But over more days, most guys who only want to score will sacrifice quality. Otherwise, there are not even enough really hot girls to open in order to consistently get them, and the conversion rate is too low.

Some of you guys are hard on Turkish. Of course there are some bad, like everywhere else, but places like Vodka bar and the main tourist areas are full of Middle Eastern looking guys gaming and from what I saw they were doing fine. Judging from the number of Ukraine girls who go to Turkey, I think there is a good number of them that wants this kind of guy. I know an Iranian guy who went to Turkey for two weeks one summer and he said he nailed 8 girls (Russian and Ukrainian). His other stories were like getting lucky once or twice a year, so he is 100% believable. He is not by any means a successful gamer, but down there he hooked up with some Turkish guys who took him under their wing and told him how it's done there. I saw some photos of his "babe" hookups and they were 6s-7s. His hottest one was about a high 7 for me. But for him it's one of the best he ever got.

[turbopg]

I can relate to this Anna story and maybe my story can predict what would happen to other guys when they finally find their perfect woman.

My case was like this:

I'm very selective, I picked up thousands of Iasi chicks and even though they were all hot there was always something I didn't like about their personalities and none of them managed to get me in a relationship even though they tried. I prefered to even miss fucks than do things their way.
I was dating multiple girls a week even, I was changing very hot chicks like socks, I was very successful.
Until one day I meet one girl, we go on a date.
I was at the top of my game, I fuck her relatively fast inspite of her strong resistance.
I say to myself - I fuck her on a few dates and dump her. I had absolutely no intention to get in a relationship.
So I fuck her on a few dates and I dump her. But her tears suddenly start to mean a lot to me, as she was also hot and I generally liked her.
Then I suffer like shit (unlike with other girls) and call her the next day.
She wants me to be faithful and I refuse to accept.
4 times I do this in the first month of dating her - we don't agree on my faithfulness, I dump her, suffer like shit, call her the next day
so 1 month dating her I surrender and get in a relationship with her particularly as I knew that there's an escape hatch, that she could go to another country if things didn't workout. all in all, I found myself trapped in the relationship, unable to exit.
from dating different chicks nonstop I end up only dating her because of something inside me holding me back
skeptical as ever, it takes half a year before I allow myself to trust her. to realize that I am really in a relationship with the woman of my dreams that I can fully trust, a woman that is literally 1 in 10.000 or 1 in 100.000, was one of the happiest moments of my life, especially as it was around Christmas. I have never met someone with so many boxes checked on my requirements list before her or after her.
we dated for almost 3 years and she never disappointed me. but monotony kicked in, the thought of having lost dozens and dozens of hookups and fucks was frustrating so I wanted her to go to the other country so I can resume my player life.
so figure this - the perfect relationship with the woman of my dreams and what do I do - I get bored by all this perfection and of getting everything I ever wanted from one woman. I get desensitized to everything so I don't get any feelings anymore - not happy like when I fucked a new chick, not frustrated like when I was unsuccessful and I got used so much to being loved by her that I started to not feel anything anymore. I realized that even to be frustrated is a feeling, it makes you feel alive. But me I wasn't feeling anything anymore, I even got desensitized to loving her and her loving me.
so I encouraged her to go to the other country and after a while staying there, when I felt she could take it more easily, I dumped her. but I wasn't proud of doing this, I wished I would've been able to stay in the relationship. She cried and did all the cliche stuff you see in movies like "give me another chance", "I'll try to change" to try to save the relationship, even though she did nothing wrong really. It actually felt weird for a hot chick like her to be supplicating to me, a guy who years back could only have dreamt of having a relationship with a chick like her. I was actually uncontent with myself not being able to commit like all the other guys, I had no blame to put on her. I suffered a bit too but moved on. As I was by now bored of this perfection, to me it was easy. I thought women are weird and don't know what they want and here I was now confused, I got exactly what I wanted and here I was pushing it away.
I always thought I would be able to be in the same shape after the relationship as before but it hasn't been like that. The relationship killed most of the drive that I had before it. And this is what I saw at other guys too - they pickup like maniacs for years then they get in one good relationship and even if it ends they never get in the same shape again.
Years later I looked her up on facebook and to see her relationship status as "Engaged" hit me really hard. I lost control of my emotions, I tried to get her back though she was thousands of kilometers away, but now she was faithful to the new guy, cause that's how she had been with me too, faithful even when I spied on her to make sure. As I said it hit me hard, I probably never suffered so much as I did to know I can't have her anymore.
It's great to find the perfect woman, then you're trapped in a relationship, then it's nasty to get bored and for things to end and when you're over her, unfortunately you still won't have the same drive as before. You could've been having the energy and drive to have a ONS every week or month, after a perfect relationship you won't have that anymore. I eventually got over it and ultimately I made the right decision at the time to end the relationship, judging on a rational basis.
I'm better off being free but the conclusion is - a great relationship can be the ending point of a very successful player life, after the relationship the drive will be lower. if before such a relationship you think you could keep approaching like a maniac forever, after it things seem different.

[turbopg]

leaving the drama stories aside, I plan on going to Chernivtsi (Cernauti), Ukraine to see what the women are like - there's still some Romanian population there even. Though I'm close to both Ukraine and Moldova I've never been to either of them, Iasi has never been short on hot women. Maybe I'll go to Chisinau as well, though I've gotten with Moldovan student chicks here in Iasi and didn't notice any big difference in easiness.

[RagingWombat]

(10-06-2013 09:26 AM)TrueStory Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 05:46 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I see advise here like tell them you are on work and lie to them as much as possible.What do you think most sex tourists do? The last time a sex tourist said he visited for tourism was in communism.

To understand ukrainian woman's thought process is rather a complex task. If you don't want to lie don't. However, you're minimizing your chances of one night stand (same night lay) if you are obviously here to fuck some bitches. I am getting sick and tired of pretentiously righteous non-liars players that claim they only say the "truth". We fucking lie all the time to people, in one way or another. So stop with this honest moralistic shit. Nobody will award you a medal if you tell her the truth why you really are in the country. If this sounds harsh, well, you wanted the truth.

In reality, it does not matter what you tell her, because, verbal communication (especially in the club) is irrelevant. I successfully told some girls that I am in the country to find wife, pickup girls, get laid. ("Да я сюда приехал девок снимать, прикинь, ты номер четыре!") Do you really think they care? They don't. If they like you and you act accordingly they will chalk it up to joking.

You guys are putting way too much thought into this shit. Really. It's easy to get girls in Ukraine, if you're foreigner. It's also easy to get girls in US if you're Eruopean.

_____________

On a separate subject: Do you guys go out and drink? do you not drink? I am curious. In US i found that NOT drinking at all helps my game. After initial anxiety of not being buzzed, I discovered how easier it is to game sober. I guess I was lucky, when I started going out a lot, rsd instructors were in Miami on free tour. I got to hang out with tyler, julian and jeffy, and it was inspiring to see these guys pickup girls cold stone sober.

however, here in Ukraine, i find it difficult to stay sober. What do you guys think?

I have found gaming Sober is way better... 1 or 2 beers is fine, but when I start getting buzzed or drunk I get sloppy and forget the fundamentals and it all goes to sh**... I do have more fun gaming drunk, but I go home alone.

[Greek kamaki]

In Ukraine you need to make complicated thoughts and pass grenade shit tests so it is way better to stay sober.In Poland it is better to be slightly drunk because most girls are in the same drunk state and so you seem more interesting no matter what nonsense you say.They do not shit test you hard or play mind games at least in the beginning.

[RagingWombat]

(06-09-2014 05:57 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In Ukraine you need to make complicated thoughts and pass grenade shit tests so it is way better to stay sober.In Poland it is better to be slightly drunk because most girls are in the same drunk state and so you seem more interesting no matter what nonsense you say.They do not shit test you hard or play mind games at least in the beginning.

I'll be traveling thur, Poland and at least Lviv (Ukraine) and maybe Kiev this Summer. If anyone wants to meet up go out I'm down with Day or Night game.

[Roosh]

Closing this up and moving Ukraine conversation to a new thread: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37535.html