[InternationPlayboy]

They're saying he didn't catch his flight to Cuba today. Who knows what's really going on?

[XXL]

Damn, real life "Prison Break"..

[Duke Castile]

It seems to me the many different embassy cars, the itenerary, and Putin saying he learned nothing he didn't already know was just misdirection.

My guess is at this point he's not going to surface again intentionally.

I'm thinking he's being debriefed in Moscow. Possibly even being held against his will.

[dk902]

I'm sorry guys but you're all making assumptions.

This whole going to Ecuador via Russia and Cuba is just a ploy...

I have reason to understand that Roosh secretly smuggled Edward Snowden out of Hong Kong via El Mechanico's boat in the early hours of yesterday morning.

Reports suggest that he is going to be Roosh's ghost writer for his latest series of books.

Roosh has now quit his travel books and wants to go into other niches, and sees Snowden as the perfect way to do this.

In return for Snowden's assistance on his new book, Roosh is providing Snowden asylum in Poosy Paradise also believed to be Iasi, Romania.

I had a sneak preview of what's in stall.

Quote:

• How you can use GALNUC and know all the answers
• A guaranteed method of checking to see if she'll pay on the first date by reviewing her credit history
• How to develop a solid backstory so she doesn’t think you’ve hacked her Facebook
• A detailed breakdown on how to hack a girl's Ok Cupid, Instagram, Plenty of Fish and many more - including password unlocking strategy, conversation tips when pretending to be her friends, pitfalls to avoid, and how to read emails but ensure they remain as unread in the inbox
• The best strategy for filtering out useless information when listening in on a conversation with her friends
• How to find out when she really last had sex so you don't waste time
• Three day strategy for surveillance, including bug planting and tips on logistics to see if you can 'use the toilet' at the end of the night
• How to check her STD history so you can rawdog with peace of mind
• Access to an online database with a wealth of information
  

[Vacancier Permanent]

Of course he will stay put. From now on, the main thing to do for him will be to keep as low of a profile as possible for a few months until this whole thing dies down. This will give him enough time to figure out his next move. Of course, Russia in the summer and with the protection of Brother Vladimir, he will be kept quiet busy and happy and he will be given as a token of gratitude by Vlad, a diplomatic russian passport. A double whammy big middle finger to the NSA and to
the Lands of the Free and Brave.

Rock on Eddy!!!!

(06-24-2013 06:46 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

It seems to me the many different embassy cars, the itenerary, and Putin saying he learned nothing he didn't already know was just misdirection.

My guess is at this point he's not going to surface again intentionally.

I'm thinking he's being debriefed in Moscow. Possibly even being held against his will.

[OSL]

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If he stays in Russia this guy is going to get serious poontang.

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[playa_with_a_passport]

(06-23-2013 03:59 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

I used to work for Booz, Allen & Hamilton as a mgmt consultant when I was in DC. Looks bad to see the company has lowered its standards. I haven't read much about this case, but I wonder how much of this work was actually subcontracted by Booz, which is often the practice. Booz did OK in the commercial sector back in the day, but it seems like they are almost strictly generating profits from taxpayer funded government contracts now.

I guess it helps when there's a revolving door between Booz and the govt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/us/boo...racts.html

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As evidence of the company’s close relationship with government, the Obama administration’s chief intelligence official, James R. Clapper Jr., is a former Booz Allen executive.

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Thousands of people formerly employed by the government, and still approved to deal with classified information, now do essentially the same work for private companies. Mr. Snowden, who revealed on Sunday that he provided the recent leak of national security documents, is among them.

Sounds like Booz is to spook business what Golden Sachs is to the Treasury department. Massive looting of America at a grand scale.

(06-24-2013 12:26 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 11:41 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Y'know....

I keep reading all of these "the government is invading our privacy" stuff. There are times where rules need to be bended to the good of the nation. Face it, the U.S.A. still has a lot to lose if the guard is dropped. If the technology is not to the point where we cannot ignore monitoring our own people....so be it....we just have to bend the rules and monitor our own.

Of course, I have a horse in this race. I AM a NSA contractor, and my income does fluctuate between $175-$200K/year.

P.S.: I need to keep renting out those Presidential Suites in the Dominican Republic for my Dominican temporary "novias"

If you're really an NSA contractor, why are posting here? can't they trace all the shit you say?

This is a good question. Doesn't the NSA have an IG?(Inspector General) This is an open forum, aren't you afraid some femicunt sends your username to the IG and they able to track you and revoke your TS clearance?

As for Snowden, I would rather hide out in Cuba than Ecuador. United States Govt still has Latin America on lock. Cuba has a long history of harboring American fugitives who have actually killed Americans and they have never gave one up. There's very little the US can do to Cuba that it already hasn't done. There's also the possibility that Raul Castro doesn't want him.

[presidentcarter]

(06-24-2013 08:45 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

If he stays in Russia this guy is going to get serious poontang.

[urbannomad]

If Hugo Chávez was alive Venezuela would have been a perfect spot..

[OSL]

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http://www.sovereignman.com/nsa-black-paper/

Black paper on digital privacy.

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[UrbanNerd]

(06-24-2013 08:56 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

This is a good question. Doesn't the NSA have an IG?(Inspector General) This is an open forum, aren't you afraid some femicunt sends your username to the IG and they able to track you and revoke your TS clearance?

As for Snowden, I would rather hide out in Cuba than Ecuador. United States Govt still has Latin America on lock. Cuba has a long history of harboring American fugitives who have actually killed Americans and they have never gave one up. There's very little the US can do to Cuba that it already hasn't done. There's also the possibility that Raul Castro doesn't want him.

Not really, because I have not given out any classified information. Now keep in mind, I do know my technical skill-set (and confident about it), so I know that if "push comes to shove", I can always head back to the private sector....even if it will be less money.

Right now, the government want to reduce contractor's rates. I have already said if the rates get too close to what I would make one the private sector, then I would give this clearance back. I ONLY put up with routine background checks, polygraphs, and the asking if I can travel for the extra money for having the clearance.

[speeddemon]

(06-24-2013 11:04 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:13 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:46 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 12:29 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

Exposing the spying is not the reason why people think he is a traitor.

People think he is a traitor because he gave China and Russia whatever information he had about our spying operations on them. If he hadn't, both countries probably would have sent him back to the US without hesitation.

China is hacking the shit out of everyone else, so what the government is doing is absolutely necessary.

You honestly believe the US is hacking Chinese sites because the Chinese hacks everyone?

So you want China to steal information about our political campaigns, intelligence agencies, weapons systems and anything else of value and do nothing about it? That is really stupid in my opinion.

Isn't it China that owns the largest share of US debt? Sounds like a fair ROI to me.

No - China owns ~1.25 trillion out of our ~17 trillion dollar debt, which is less than 10%.

To me, the global economy works like this: first, the US points a gun at all the commodity producing countries and tells them to sell commodities to us for an unbacked paper currency (USD). Then, the US tells Asia/Europe that they must run perpetual deficits with us if they want access to those commodities.

China is the only country that could eventually change this situation.

If/when that happens, the US will still have one trump card (US accounts for ~50% of food exports in the world; it could join UK, CAN and AUS to make a "food OPEC")

[speeddemon]

(06-24-2013 11:37 AM)NYJ Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:46 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 12:29 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

Exposing the spying is not the reason why people think he is a traitor.

People think he is a traitor because he gave China and Russia whatever information he had about our spying operations on them. If he hadn't, both countries probably would have sent him back to the US without hesitation.

China is hacking the shit out of everyone else, so what the government is doing is absolutely necessary.

You honestly believe the US is hacking Chinese sites because the Chinese hacks everyone?

What about our allies? Are they also hacking everyone?

The US government has been slowly taking away our rights given to us by our Constitution. Is that also China's fault?

I, for one, am glad that the hypocrisy of the US is being shown on center stage. Maybe it will bring some sense to the American public and we can get back to what made this country great. Judging by your post, I don't have much faith in that happening.

Amen. Snowden wasn't even mentioned on the local newscasts today. The top headline you ask? The upcoming triumphant return of fucking twinkies! How fucked we are is unimaginable at this point.

worldwidetraveler, please tell me one thing you are going to do to stop the US government from doing what it wants to do. Making statements on the Internet doesn’t count haha.

NYJ, this is a pretty blatant rights violation, but besides voting for Ron Paul and hoping for change, what else can you really do? I have come to expect that the government will do stupid things (Obamacare, IRS scandal, DOJ cover up, and now this) and try to lessen its damage to me whenever possible. It would be better if the government didn't do these things of course.

[speeddemon]

(06-24-2013 11:39 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:58 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

However, why would the Russians/Chinese help Snowden if they didn't get anything back in return? There have been reports that he took files from the NSA from a thumb drive and took those to Hong Kong on 4 different laptops. We have no idea how much is on those files and how they could compromise US security interests.

Exactly, you don't know. You're making assumptions.

Vicious, this entire thread is based on random assumptions haha.

If Snowden defects to the Russians, then he is a traitor. However, I agree that the US has to start changing its system if we don’t want to produce Benedict Arnolds on a regular basis.

[Vicious]

What the facts are I have stated several times. You're the one trying to give legitimacy to assumptions.

[soup]

It would be fucked up if Snowden's whistle blowing precipitated some American spies getting killed.

If you are going to willfully take a vow to keep things secret and follow orders, then you'd better be prepared to face the consequences if you go back on your word.

I'm not for the government invading privacy, but I'm not for people going back on their word either.

Anyway, only a fool would think that privacy exists these days. I'd bet that every online action has been kept track of since the inception of the internet. Maybe the internet was created to in order to monitor communications more easily.

[Therapsid]

(06-25-2013 04:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

It would be fucked up if Snowden's whistle blowing precipitated some American spies getting killed.

If you are going to willfully take a vow to keep things secret and follow orders, then you'd better be prepared to face the consequences if you go back on your word.

I'm not for the government invading privacy, but I'm not for people going back on their word either.

Anyway, only a fool would think that privacy exists these days. I'd bet that every online action has been kept track of since the inception of the internet. Maybe the internet was created to in order to monitor communications more easily.

Americans have become a bunch of pussies. I'll be the first to say it, but it's worth a few people dying to protect our most fundamental liberties.

Email is just the modern equivalent of traditional male or the telegraph. Would it have been worth it for the U.S. government to rifle through every last American's mail to prevent the odd attack from Indian tribes, runaway slaves, or cattle rustlers in a different era? Americans would have fucking laughed at the idea back when this country was still based upon the idea that the federal government should be extremely limited in its powers.

I'll say it again, yes liberty from unreasonable search and seizure under the fourth amendment is worth a few dead. Just like our second amendment rights are. Just like our first amendment rights are, which also apply in this case.

Anyway, it's laughable considering the U.S. government has been on a killing spree the last decade. Nobody seems to be talking about it on here, but the U.S. is now engaged in peace talks with the Taliban and has given blessing to them opening an embassy in Doha, Qatar and is also funding and arming Al Qaeda-linked Sunni rebels in Syria to fight against a secular dictatorship. Sorry folks, but the war on terror was a sham. We just spent over a decade only to go back to being on the side of Al Qaeda-type Islamists, just like we were during the Cold War against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And we're supposed to let this government, that's not conspiring with the folks who supposedly did 911, go through all of our phone calls, email, financial records, internet searches, etc.?

Nope.

[speeddemon]

(06-25-2013 04:52 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

What the facts are I have stated several times. You're the one trying to give legitimacy to assumptions.

My bad.

No more assumptions from me.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Russia refuses to extradite Snowden

Quote:

MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia's foreign minister bluntly rejected U.S. demands to extradite National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, saying Tuesday that Snowden hasn't crossed the Russian border.

Sergey Lavrov insisted that Russia has nothing to do with Snowden or his travel plans. Lavrov wouldn't say where Snowden is, but he lashed out angrily at Washington for demanding his extradition and warning of negative consequences if Moscow fails to comply. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday urged Moscow to "do the right thing" and turn over Snowden.

"We consider the attempts to accuse Russia of violation of U.S. laws and even some sort of conspiracy, which on top of all that are accompanied by threats, as absolutely ungrounded and unacceptable," Lavrov said. "There are no legal grounds for such conduct of U.S. officials."

The defiant tone underlined the Kremlin's readiness to challenge Washington at a time when U.S.-Russian relations are strained over Syria and a Russian ban on adoptions by Americans.

U.S. and Ecuadorean officials said they believed Snowden was still in Russia. He fled there Sunday from Hong Kong, where he had been hiding out since his disclosure of the broad scope of two highly classified U.S. counterterror surveillance programs. The programs collect vast amounts of Americans' phone records and worldwide online data in the name of national security.

Lavrov claimed that the Russian government found out about Snowden's flight from Hong Kong only from news reports.

"We have no relation to Mr. Snowden, his relations with American justice or his travels around the world," Lavrov said. "He chooses his route himself, and we have learned about it from the media."

Snowden booked a seat on a Havana-bound flight from Moscow on Monday en route to Venezuela and then possible asylum in Ecuador, but he didn't board the plane. Russian news media have reported that he has remained in a transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, but journalists there haven't seen him.

A representative of WikiLeaks has been traveling with Snowden, and the organization is believed to be assisting him in arranging asylum. The organization's founder, Julian Assange, said Monday that Snowden was only passing through Russia and had applied for asylum in Ecuador, Iceland and possibly other countries.

A high-ranking Ecuadorean official told The Associated Press that Russia and Ecuador were discussing where Snowden could go, saying the process could take days. He also said Ecuador's ambassador to Moscow had not seen or spoken to Snowden. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, hailed Snowden on Monday as "a man attempting to bring light and transparency to facts that affect everyone's fundamental liberties."

He described the decision on whether to grant Snowden asylum as a choice between "betraying the citizens of the world or betraying certain powerful elites in a specific country."

State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said the U.S. had made demands to "a series of governments," including Ecuador, that Snowden be barred from any international travel other than to be returned to the U.S. The U.S. has revoked Snowden's passport.

"We're following all the appropriate legal channels and working with various other countries to make sure that the rule of law is observed," President Barack Obama told reporters.

Some experts said it was likely that Russian spy agencies were questioning Snowden on what he knows about U.S. electronic espionage against Moscow.

"If Russian special services hadn't shown interest in Snowden, they would have been utterly unprofessional," Igor Korotchenko, a former colonel in Russia's top military command turned security analyst, said on state Rossiya 24 television.

The Kremlin has previously said Russia would be ready to consider Snowden's request for asylum.

The Interfax news agency, which has close contacts with Russian security agencies, quoted an unidentified "well-informed source" in Moscow as saying Tuesday that Snowden could be detained for a check of his papers. The report could reflect that authorities are searching for a pretext to keep Snowden in Russia.

Snowden is a former CIA employee who later was hired as a contractor for the NSA. In that job, he gained access to documents that he gave to newspapers The Guardian and The Washington Post to expose what he contends are privacy violations by an authoritarian government.

Snowden also told the South China Morning Post newspaper in Hong Kong that "the NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data." He is believed to have more than 200 additional sensitive documents in laptops he is carrying.

Some observers said in addition to the sensitive data, Snowden's revelations have provided the Kremlin with propaganda arguments to counter the U.S. criticism of Russia's crackdown on opposition and civil activists under President Vladimir Putin.

"They would use Snowden to demonstrate that the U.S. government doesn't sympathize with the ideals of freedom of information, conceals key information from the public and stands ready to open criminal proceedings against those who oppose it," Konstantin Remchukov, the editor of independent daily Nezavisimaya Gazeta, said on Ekho Moskvy radio.

Putin has accused the U.S. State Department of instigating protests in Moscow against his re-election for a third term and has taken an anti-American posture that plays well with his core support base of industrial workers and state employees.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/N...5-06-03-09

[Hencredible Casanova]

Putin Lays The Smackdown

The Russian leader says the US fugitive is free to leave the country, and slams conspiracy claims as "ravings and rubbish".

Quote:

The US whistleblower Edward Snowden is in a Moscow airport and Russia will not be extraditing him, President Vladimir Putin has said.

Mr Putin said the man behind the high-profile National Security Agency (NSA) leaks was in a transit area of Sheremetyevo airport and had not officially crossed into the Russian border.

The 30-year-old is free to leave the country when he likes and should do so as soon as possible, Mr Putin said adding that the visit was "unexpected".

He said: "Mr Snowden is a free man, the sooner he selects his final destination point, the better for us and for himself."

Reports on Monday had said Snowden was staying in a 'pod'-style hotel room in an airport VIP area.

Mr Putin said Russian security agencies "didn't work and aren't working" with Snowden - dismissing any such claims as "ravings and rubbish".

He said the fact that Russia has no extradition agreement with the US meant it would not be meeting the American request to send him there.

However, he said he hoped the stopover will not affect its relationship with the US.

The former CIA technician, who has worked for the NSA, has been charged with espionage by US authorities after he leaked details of American telephone and internet surveillance programmes.

He revealed the existence of a surveillance system called Prism that was set up by the NSA to track the use of the web directly from internet providers.

The Prism revelations sparked outcry in the UK when The Guardian reported that the GCHQ eavesdropping agency had been accessing information about British citizens.

Evidence given to the paper by Snowden also suggested that GCHQ has been scanning the network of fibre-optic cables that carry vast numbers of emails and other internet traffic.

Earlier, Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said Snowden had not crossed into Russian territory - and he said any suggestion that Russia was involved in "some sort of conspiracy" was "absolutely ungrounded and unacceptable".

His comments came after China's top state newspaper - the voice of the communist party - praised the whistleblower for "tearing off Washington's sanctimonious mask".

The People's Daily, which reflects the official thinking of the Chinese government, criticised America for attacking Hong Kong's decision to allow him to flee.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has called for Russia to be "calm" and hand over Snowden. He said Washington was not looking for "confrontation."

Snowden left Hong Kong on Sunday, hours after the US had provided the territory with a request for extradition.

He was widely expected to fly from Moscow to Cuba and then on to Ecuador, possibly via Venezuela. Ecuador's foreign minister said on Tuesday he did not know where Snowden was.

On Monday, White House spokesman Jay Carney said Hong Kong had made a "deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the US-China relationship".

Mr Kerry has dubbed Snowden a traitor, and warned both Russia and China that their relations with the US might be damaged by their refusal to extradite him.

http://news.sky.com/story/1107989/edward...xtradition

[Roosh]

Kerry opens his mouth with an empty threat and gets smacked down without ambiguity. Embarrassing.

[Samseau]

Snowden would have been just a blip on the radar, but, now that he's becoming a political tool to rebel against American authority, this is snowballing into something much larger.

[TheBulldozer]

The US government sounds like my whining two year old cousin who wants his toy back.

[iknowexactly]

The Russians are trying to imply that they are not looking at the info Snowden has, which is good. The Russians are always brusque. They are saying they are not dealing with the guy, so Washington doesn't think they are digging they into the info. That allows Washington to save face a bit. If Snowden was Russian and did something like that he would be way, way screwed.

[tiggaling]

(06-25-2013 07:27 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

and is also funding and arming Al Qaeda-linked Sunni rebels in Syria to fight against a secular dictatorship.

Syria, which has been a stable and reasonable country in the region. Left to western style "democracy" the place is going to be another unstable "Arab/Muslim" country easier to manipulate and extract out its juicy oil.

Bashar Al-Assad certainly inherited the position of dictator from his father, but he is essentially a benevolent leader with his people's best interests at heart and his people typically hold him in higher regard than people in the west perceive their political "leaders"

Also, I think he comes across as a reasonable and sensible man.

Only Putin has been the voice of reason saying there shouldn't be an amplified invasion of this sovereign nation!

Whilst Rupert Murdoch on his twitter, tries to spin Putin as the warmonger!

"Don't look for early peace in Syria. Putin determined keep Middle East on boil to sustain oil prices essential for sick Russian economy."