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(05-11-2013 02:18 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I just had an interview with Siemens and I was over qualified. How does that compute? And I have no degree. You'd me amazed at what experience has over education holds. Ask the members here that I know. Respect for the Engineers. Bishes.

thats the PC reason why you didnt get hired. and from what i conclude out of the forum posts, the american education system ripps you off

[Cyclone]

(05-12-2013 03:35 AM)MHaes Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:00 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

I graduated with a Civil/Environmental Engineering degree from the #1-ranked CEE university in the country (UIUC)

2 years later, no real job.
...just in case yall thought engineers "had it easy". even we have a tough uphill climb ahead of us.
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Find this hard to believe without more info. What was your GPA?

3.22. Which was average, but you'd think with the reputation UIUC (claims it) has throughout Chicago, that would make the ride a lil easier.

The more important details: Right after graduating I spend a year in Vietnam, where I re-taught engineering at a technical university for 2 semesters. The summer upon my return, I had lost what few connections I had, applied fruitlessly though online/phone calls/faxing/government for 3-4 months getting minimal interest. I felt like i'd been tricked.

I now have 2 part-time jobs, but still going to grad school to compensate. Thank god I discovered game so I won't be a lil bitch during networking events/interviews anymore. Just a PSA that engineers/STEM struggle just like everyone else (as evidenced by classmates) MORAL OF THE STORY treat college like you treat women.. she ain't gonna jump on your dick and make it happen for you just cause you've got a 6-pack in the same way college isn't a free pass to a career.
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[Menace]

Not all engineering is the same. Civil/mech is generally considered lowest tier (no offense Cyclone). Env. engineering probably not even considered real engineering by hard core engineers tbh. Electrical is best.

[Alpha Mind]

If you're assessing it from a purely financial perspective, it's a bit different. You definitely do NOT want to drop 100K to get a humanities degree with the hope of landing a job simply because you've got a piece of paper.

College is a great experiences and depending on your approach, will help you grow as a man.

It's great for networking, women, and you'll learn some badass shit if you pay attention in class.

I took several classes on Native American lit and being able to drop knowledge on random topics like that has certainly assisted in numerous ONS.

I have a major in creative writing and minors in film and marketing. My friends getting business degrees used to poke fun and ask what I planned to do with it.

Now, I'm 28, run an ad firm, 2 eCommerce businesses, and use my major more than most business grads I know (copy, content, vid production, SEO, trad. marketing, etc.). I also make substantially more money than all of them.

For undergrads, getting a part-time sales gig (with decent commission) is one of the best things you can do. Anyone in college who says they don't like/want to do sales is incredibly myopic. Remove the blinders.

-More cash than most of your peers
-Opportunities to chat up women daily
-Eliminates approach anxiety
-Experience people take seriously
-Gives you quantifiable metrics for the resume
-Ability to move into a decent full-time gig upon graduation

I'll throw together a solid list of college-friendly gigs in a thread this week.

[rudebwoy]

College is now being used as a weeding out process, if you don't have a degree you cannot get certain jobs.

Experience is always good to have, I have friends that are highly qualified but cannot get interviews with big companies due to not having any post secondary education.

[Cyclone]

(05-12-2013 02:21 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Not all engineering is the same. Civil/mech is generally considered lowest tier (no offense Cyclone). Env. engineering probably not even considered real engineering by hard core engineers tbh. Electrical is best.

No offense taken! i chose Environmental precisely because it would be the most laid-back of all choices. I still want to have a life.
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[Akula]

(05-11-2013 01:40 PM)DickDastardly Wrote:  

College in the U.S is an absolute joke. Graduating with 100,000 in debt for a basic degree? The joke is on you.

Also the standard is piss poor in a lot of colleges. A monkey could get a degree as long as it coughs up the cash.

I'm graduating with a PhD here in Ireland this summer. I was paid to do it and I graduate with zero debt.

$100,000? Try $200-250K for most of the private US colleges over 4 years. Some tuition alone is over $40k per annum. They are so expensive that all the schools are scouring Asia and ROW for students who can pay.

I think college is generally a bad deal these days, and as the OP said the curriculum has been watered down and politicized so much it's almost crazy, but some of the top tier schools do given you some serious credentials so much so that it's worth going there just for the networking opportunities and connections later in life. But in general most people don't really need to go to college I'd say, certainly not the high percentage in the US that currently do.

The for-profit schools are also a huge scam for the most part.

[SPinker]

http://engine.is/blog/posts/it-s-all-rel...igh-demand

STEM or bust

[JimNortonFan]

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arch...ty/275923/

The Atlantic says American colleges are a force for inequality.

Now even mainstream SWPL pubs are getting it.

[Kristian]

interesting resource

[_DC_]

Cyclone, It goes to show that even within STEM majors, some are more highly sought after. Civil is right above industrial, both not having nearly as many openings. EE and CE, jobs are everywhere.

I graduated with a shitty GPA in ME from another good Big Ten school. I only wanted one job, charmed the pants off the female interviewer (not literally), and straight up BADGERED them with emails. I finally got the job after 3 months of waiting. This was back in 2007 though, it was an interviewee's market back then.

[Spirited]

What do the UK guys around here think about UK college?

[chinadawg]

(06-18-2013 04:17 PM)Spirited Wrote:  

What do the UK guys around here think about UK college?

Given the recent price increases I wouldn't go. I'd look to places in Europe that are cheaper. Thats what I wanted to do when I finished school but was advised against for financial reasos, I went in the UK but dropped out after a six months. Eventually I went to study in Canada, but for a diploma, not degree. If I was in the same position now I would definitely go to Europe to study, would give you the international outlook and additional language skills that I feel will be essential for success in the coming decades, plus is now much more affordable.

With what I have leanrt about myself since those days is that being an entrepreneur is way more suitable for me, so wouldn't go at all. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Did you guys know that you can study at university in Norway for free? Even as a foreigner. All the undergrads are in Norwegian, but you spend an extra year learning Norwegian language and culture before you start. There are masters programs in English.