Okay so this probably sounds like a total newbie question, and I know a lot of it is relative to the girl, situation, etc., but do you guys normally go for sex on the first date if everything is going well, (i.e. physical attraction, kino, kissing, etc.)? I am kind of kicking myself for not "striking when the iron was hot", and now I feel like what was once a great "prospect" is slowly slipping into nothing.
I had a date with a girl that is "best friends" with another girl that I messed around with, I had no idea that she was attracted to me, but I heard from the grapevine that she was "sweating my nuts" and I manned up got her number from her friend. I hit her up and we had a great first date out at a nice tequila lounge, good flirtatious convo, strong kino, lot's of making out. Well to make a long story short we had a long heated make out session, when I was dropping her off at her place, but for some reason I had my head up my ass and didn't ask if I could come up to "check out her place." She was definitely into me, and I think I could have smashed it that night in retrospect, but at the time I thought that the "cat was in the bag", and that by trying to hit it that night, she might think "all I care about is sex", blah, blah and that it might be better to play it cool and wait for a second date.
The second date I took her out for a nice dinner, I thought everything was going real well, from what I heard she was still "high" on me from the first date. Perhaps I should have suggested that we go straight to my place after dinner, but I took her to a close by bar, where we had a drink, and once again good kino and making out. At some point after we finished our drinks she started to look at her phone and said that she needed to get going, she drove me to my car and we had another long heated make out session with neck/ear kissing/sucking/licking, ass/breast feeling, etc. This time I proposed we go to my place, but in retrospect I was probably too passive and not alpha enough, she seemed like she wanted to, but insisted that she had to get up early to go to summer school (which is partially true, but 10 am is not that "early"). I thought if I kept pushing, I'd come off as too needy/desperate, but maybe I should have tried to push through her resistance.
Since then I have seen her one time, and that was a few days later at the bar in a mixed set of friends, she was totally ignoring me, giving me the cold shoulder, basically making me work for her attention. She was with the friend that I prev. messed around with and got her number from, this "friend" girl was being a total "mother hen", dictating the coversation, being a total bitch to me, constantly trying to shut me out, etc. I should have just said fuck it and gone to holler at other honeys, but continued trying to "work game on my girl". I wasn't stoked on how the night went, and waited about 5 days to text the girl again, and this time she waited all day to get back to me and basically said that "tonight won't work, but maybe this weekend."
So basically, not to totally bitch and rant to you guys, but I'm totally confused on how things went from hot to cold so quickly, I guess such is the nature of women. I have been trying to go through my mind and try and remember if I fumbled and said or did something wrong, but aside from not escalating more sexually, I thought everything went really well. I was reading on "The Rookie's" blog, that Roosh told him that the 3 date principal for getting the lay, has now moved to 2 dates. I think if I had banged her that first night, I'd be in a completely different situation, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out what women actually want.
If everything is flowing well, do you guys always push for sex on the first date, or wait? My train of thought was she'd be even more hot for me after the first date, which would have made the second date a guaruntee, but apparently not. I'm pissed at myself, because this girl is a super cute 8 out of 10, and in this town pickings are slim. Final thought, Roosh is so on point with his "9 immutable law of pick-up", I was totally over-valuing this girl and asking a bunch of questions and advice from friends about her, even though she didn't know that, in the end "the game matrix" got the best of me. Now I am trying to figure out if I should keep trying with her, I wish things were more simple or "real" and I could just ask her where she is at and how she feels, but I know enough that, that would be a totally weesh move. At this point I guess I'm just going to try and forget about her, and if she hits me up to chill, try to make one last attempt to get the notch, and if it doesn't work then fuck it.
I had a date with a girl that is "best friends" with another girl that I messed around with, I had no idea that she was attracted to me, but I heard from the grapevine that she was "sweating my nuts" and I manned up got her number from her friend. I hit her up and we had a great first date out at a nice tequila lounge, good flirtatious convo, strong kino, lot's of making out. Well to make a long story short we had a long heated make out session, when I was dropping her off at her place, but for some reason I had my head up my ass and didn't ask if I could come up to "check out her place." She was definitely into me, and I think I could have smashed it that night in retrospect, but at the time I thought that the "cat was in the bag", and that by trying to hit it that night, she might think "all I care about is sex", blah, blah and that it might be better to play it cool and wait for a second date.
The second date I took her out for a nice dinner, I thought everything was going real well, from what I heard she was still "high" on me from the first date. Perhaps I should have suggested that we go straight to my place after dinner, but I took her to a close by bar, where we had a drink, and once again good kino and making out. At some point after we finished our drinks she started to look at her phone and said that she needed to get going, she drove me to my car and we had another long heated make out session with neck/ear kissing/sucking/licking, ass/breast feeling, etc. This time I proposed we go to my place, but in retrospect I was probably too passive and not alpha enough, she seemed like she wanted to, but insisted that she had to get up early to go to summer school (which is partially true, but 10 am is not that "early"). I thought if I kept pushing, I'd come off as too needy/desperate, but maybe I should have tried to push through her resistance.
Since then I have seen her one time, and that was a few days later at the bar in a mixed set of friends, she was totally ignoring me, giving me the cold shoulder, basically making me work for her attention. She was with the friend that I prev. messed around with and got her number from, this "friend" girl was being a total "mother hen", dictating the coversation, being a total bitch to me, constantly trying to shut me out, etc. I should have just said fuck it and gone to holler at other honeys, but continued trying to "work game on my girl". I wasn't stoked on how the night went, and waited about 5 days to text the girl again, and this time she waited all day to get back to me and basically said that "tonight won't work, but maybe this weekend."
So basically, not to totally bitch and rant to you guys, but I'm totally confused on how things went from hot to cold so quickly, I guess such is the nature of women. I have been trying to go through my mind and try and remember if I fumbled and said or did something wrong, but aside from not escalating more sexually, I thought everything went really well. I was reading on "The Rookie's" blog, that Roosh told him that the 3 date principal for getting the lay, has now moved to 2 dates. I think if I had banged her that first night, I'd be in a completely different situation, but I'm still having a hard time figuring out what women actually want.
If everything is flowing well, do you guys always push for sex on the first date, or wait? My train of thought was she'd be even more hot for me after the first date, which would have made the second date a guaruntee, but apparently not. I'm pissed at myself, because this girl is a super cute 8 out of 10, and in this town pickings are slim. Final thought, Roosh is so on point with his "9 immutable law of pick-up", I was totally over-valuing this girl and asking a bunch of questions and advice from friends about her, even though she didn't know that, in the end "the game matrix" got the best of me. Now I am trying to figure out if I should keep trying with her, I wish things were more simple or "real" and I could just ask her where she is at and how she feels, but I know enough that, that would be a totally weesh move. At this point I guess I'm just going to try and forget about her, and if she hits me up to chill, try to make one last attempt to get the notch, and if it doesn't work then fuck it.