[trainwreck]

(03-18-2013 06:58 AM)Northern Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:21 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

Who knows what his game's like, and the average Estonian dude certainly has none. Yet, unfortunately, his observations seem quite on point. Portuguese girls are to Southern Europe what Danish women are to Scandinavia.

I was hanging out with a Swedish dude. Yeah, he was blond, tall and handsome. When we went for a smoke, five drunk Australian girls approached him. I do not think he said anything to them, just smiled. In a minute the chicks where touching him and were raising on their tiptoes (he was tall!) trying to kiss him

If the Estonian dude is like this Swedish dude (Estonia is practically Scandinavia), he does not need much game.

Yeah, Estonian guys have a lot less going for them than Swedes though. Less money, fashion sense, even basic "good looking" genetics seems to be stronger with the swedes. You could say the same about the Finns but they at least will have some money and confidence.

Regarding the topic though, I just had a recent 2 month stay in Lisbon. Went out a couple times and tried to hit on Portuguese chicks. Even as a man of good means and extensive travelling experience, I couldn't get anywhere with them. It doesn't surprise me that Portuguese men are mostly lazy and out of shape (not fat, but that's more genetical than anything else) - the women just don't care! I'm starting to see a confirmation for my theory that countries where dating culture doesn't directly reward success and your mental and physical shape, the economy is unproductive because there's no sexual incentive for the guys to be smart and in shape.

I have a friend of mine who is good looking (could be in better shape, but isn't fat) and a self made millionaire... now ... he does not get any pussy in PT. You'd think in a country with such a deep economical crisis girls would turn to him, but no... he keeps getting stuck with the chicks in his friendcircle who even flake on him. Whenever he goes abroad, he cleans up.

Funny enough, during my stay... I got a couple promising numbers from Norwegian and Swedish students/tourists, altho I was in a "focus on making as much money as possible" stage and couldn't be bothered taking them on a date. The only Portuguese girl who kept asking me if we'd go for a "cafezinho" was originally from Porto (as am I), but I wasn't really interested in her. In the end I ended up enjoying the beautiful country and city with a girl that I flew in from a nordic country - IMO the way to do it.

[qazwsx]

I already read all the discussion in CS and there's one message that I found accurate about the Portuguese dating scene, or better saying, its non-existence [even though the guy who wrote it seems blue-pill]:

http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.h...st13919347

In other words it just pretty much confirms what has been said by various people in the other thread about game in Portugal: it is mainly based on social circles.

[Icarus]

Though I am Brazilian, I have Portuguese ancestry and have spent quite some time in Portugal. Some observations and thoughts:

• You won't see lots of pretty girls walking around. The pretty (or prettier) girls tend to be upper middle class or upper class, and they have their own cars, so they drive. They don't walk, and they don't use public transportation. You may find them in shopping malls during the weekend. Strangely, the touristic areas in Portuguese cities are sometimes shabby and inhabited by the lower classes. For example, the "Ribeira" area in Porto is almost a favela in some parts, and it's the main touristic attraction. It's crazy.
  

• The posh, pretty girls tend to live in the "Foz" area in Porto (the upscale area by the seaside), or in the "linha" (i.e., Cascais / Estoril, near Lisbon). You can find them in the Algarve during the Easter / Summer holidays, especially in Vilamoura. They may not look that "Latin" to you, though. Old money in Portugal has mixed with English / German / French / Dutch blood for a few centuries. Roughly speaking, the more Nordic-looking a Portuguese girl is, the higher in the social ladder she is. One of the hottest chicks I have met in my whole life was a gorgeous blonde from Oeiras. She came from an aristocratic family and had German ancestry, too. She married a rich guy from an aristocratic French family.
  

• Forget about day game. Like many others have mentioned in this thread and in other threads on Portugal, it's all about social circles. If you know a Portuguese guy who comes from old money, is good-looking, dresses well, and is doing well professionally and financially, then do try to access his social circles. If you succeed, you will be amazed at how much higher the quality of the girls is in these circles! You just don't see these girls walking around if you go for a walk. They usually study at the Catholic University.
  

• Assuming you have penetrated posh social circles, what next? If you're German / Dutch / Scandinavian, dress well, have good manners, and have some game, you will do well. Just like in Brazil, Nordic guys have it much easier in Portugal. I was in Portugal with a bunch of international friends during the Euro 2004 soccer event, and the Danish guys in our group were getting laid like champs. The girls were actively hunting them.
  

• The dating scene is indeed chaotic. Like others have mentioned, there's no real dating scene. It's the "let's have a cafézinho" bullshit. Too passive-aggressive for my taste. It's like people are trying to maintain plausible deniability until, suddenly, they decide to bang. Portugal is a traditional country, and until very recently women would only leave their parents' house to get married. Even when they go to college, they often live with their parents. This was OK when people got married at 20. But now people marry at 27-32. It's like young people are left in a limbo for a decade, and it's painful. The older generation did not engineer social protocols to allow single males and single females to interact in a healthy way. To make matters worse, the economic crisis prevents young people from attaining a level of financial stability that allows them to move out of their parents' house permanently. You'd expect people to relax after a few drinks at a night club, right? Not really. Most people are dancing alone, or holding their drink and looking at the crowd, looking too cool to actually have fun. I remember partying in Portuguese clubs with some Czech, Ukrainian, and Lithuanian chicks, and we were the only group in which males were actually dancing with females. The Portuguese girls did not seem too interested in dancing with anyone other than their girlfriends. It's weird.
  

Having said that, Portugal is definitely worth visiting, since it's a beautiful country, with great food, great wine, and good surf. Just don't go there to game chicks. Get a Nordic, Baltic, or Slavic girl, and then take her to Portugal for a relaxing vacation.

[qazwsx]

(03-18-2013 01:16 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

Though I am Brazilian, I have Portuguese ancestry and have spent quite some time in Portugal. Some observations and thoughts:

• You won't see lots of pretty girls walking around. The pretty (or prettier) girls tend to be upper middle class or upper class, and they have their own cars, so they drive. They don't walk, and they don't use public transportation. You may find them in shopping malls during the weekend. Strangely, the touristic areas in Portuguese cities are sometimes shabby and inhabited by the lower classes. For example, the "Ribeira" area in Porto is almost a favela in some parts, and it's the main touristic attraction. It's crazy.
  

• The posh, pretty girls tend to live in the "Foz" area in Porto (the upscale area by the seaside), or in the "linha" (i.e., Cascais / Estoril, near Lisbon). You can find them in the Algarve during the Easter / Summer holidays, especially in Vilamoura. They may not look that "Latin" to you, though. Old money in Portugal has mixed with English / German / French / Dutch blood for a few centuries. Roughly speaking, the more Nordic-looking a Portuguese girl is, the higher in the social ladder she is. One of the hottest chicks I have met in my whole life was a gorgeous blonde from Oeiras. She came from an aristocratic family and had German ancestry, too. She married a rich guy from an aristocratic French family.
  

• Forget about day game. Like many others have mentioned in this thread and in other threads on Portugal, it's all about social circles. If you know a Portuguese guy who comes from old money, is good-looking, dresses well, and is doing well professionally and financially, then do try to access his social circles. If you succeed, you will be amazed at how much higher the quality of the girls is in these circles! You just don't see these girls walking around if you go for a walk. They usually study at the Catholic University.
  

• Assuming you have penetrated posh social circles, what next? If you're German / Dutch / Scandinavian, dress well, have good manners, and have some game, you will do well. Just like in Brazil, Nordic guys have it much easier in Portugal. I was in Portugal with a bunch of international friends during the Euro 2004 soccer event, and the Danish guys in our group were getting laid like champs. The girls were actively hunting them.
  

• The dating scene is indeed chaotic. Like others have mentioned, there's no real dating scene. It's the "let's have a cafézinho" bullshit. Too passive-aggressive for my taste. It's like people are trying to maintain plausible deniability until, suddenly, they decide to bang. Portugal is a traditional country, and until very recently women would only leave their parents' house to get married. Even when they go to college, they often live with their parents. This was OK when people got married at 20. But now people marry at 27-32. It's like young people are left in a limbo for a decade, and it's painful. The older generation did not engineer social protocols to allow single males and single females to interact in a healthy way. To make matters worse, the economic crisis prevents young people from attaining a level of financial stability that allows them to move out of their parents' house permanently. You'd expect people to relax after a few drinks at a night club, right? Not really. Most people are dancing alone, or holding their drink and looking at the crowd, looking too cool to actually have fun. I remember partying in Portuguese clubs with some Czech, Ukrainian, and Lithuanian chicks, and we were the only group in which males were actually dancing with females. The Portuguese girls did not seem too interested in dancing with anyone other than their girlfriends. It's weird.
  

Having said that, Portugal is definitely worth visiting, since it's a beautiful country, with great food, great wine, and good surf. Just don't go there to game chicks. Get a Nordic, Baltic, or Slavic girl, and then take her to Portugal for a relaxing vacation.

Really spot on and well summarised!

And you actually revealed a secret I didn't want to share [sorry, I had my reasons]: Catholic University. It's where some of the best 18-23 years-old Portuguese talent is concentrated.

[LEMONed IScream]

Alright, introductory sentence, I am 20 years of age and I have fucked more foreigners than portuguese women, sad truth However the quality is also something relative, people can't give it such an abysmal sense because it depends on where you are and when you are there, believe me, we have quality even if it is mostly quite hidden from preying eyes.

NOW.. attitude... well I have honestly no patience for their bullshit, honestly I don't know any kind of women that bitch more, I've heard a few things about spaniards and north africans but some of these ladies take the cup, occasionally they can be pretty good and trusting friends though, not all is that bad and in general (talking about University level) they are quite nice people.

They are probably among the hardest type of girls to lay, there are sluts obviously but the number of QUALITY sluts I have seen is very very LOW... and there is 8 and 80, which means they can be super frigid but you can also find true nymphos once in a while.
Another tip is that in Madeira, Funchal, it is MUCH EASIER to fuck girls but this is more for locals thoug, maybe tourists will have luck.

As other members said here, the guys seem to have more success than the women ESPECIALLY outside, I know quite a few guys that are some pretty swell playboys, I am in the making of being one myself, we normally have success because of the very same cheekiness and latin charm our girls here don't seem to appreciate. Too bad for them eh, the wall awaits

Anyway I don't really appreciate our girls here, I always prefered Baltic and asian women in general anyway , I'll leave the country in two years or so , not really worried about it, however do not take every post in here so negatively since I think some of my fellow forum members might have exaggerated a little bit eh! Any further discussion I am willing to answer ^^ And the social circles is just spot on

[Wreckingball]

once again, I repeat myself. I'm so glad 99% of my portuguese friends don't understand my love for polish chicks.

I don't have patience for portuguese girls. wasting time on going to stupid "cafézinhos" over and over. female friends actually cockblocking you, ruining you slim chances... And extreme white knighting from the dudes. Not to mention that most of them have lower IQs than a brick, spending their time watching big brother spin offs.
I am the typical case that in Portugal I can't kiss a girl to save my life, but when I'm abroad I do very well

[trainwreck]

(03-19-2013 05:12 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

once again, I repeat myself. I'm so glad 99% of my portuguese friends don't understand my love for polish chicks.

I don't have patience for portuguese girls. wasting time on going to stupid "cafézinhos" over and over. female friends actually cockblocking you, ruining you slim chances... And extreme white knighting from the dudes. Not to mention that most of them have lower IQs than a brick, spending their time watching big brother spin offs.
I am the typical case that in Portugal I can't kiss a girl to save my life, but when I'm abroad I do very well

Yep, imo the white knighting and the whole culture of the portuguese "princesses" woman is the worst. Any average girl on social media will get around 50 likes with idiots writing amazingly long paragraphs about how beautiful she is.

I was the happiest person when I saw Portuguese girls on their Erasmus year in Poland. They'd not get a single bit of attention and would be the most desperate women in the clubs.. The sweet taste of revenge.

[the28]

All this sounds so similar to Greece.

[Greek kamaki]

The difference is that Greek girls look hot and turn you horny but there is no relief.Only guys and slavic women can serve as a relief for the horny Greek man.
Also Portugese and Spanish do not have slavic mix at all.This means quite unattractive women.

[kdolo]

Portuguese women are god awful.

So bad in fact that once Portuguese men discovered the New World, they fucked so many hot Indigenous and African women to almost create a new race in Brazil.....

even going so far as to move the seat of the Kingdom to Brazil.

If you want to see a hot woman speaking Portuguese you have to go to Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, and .... Portugal itself dead last - if at all.

[Icarus]

(03-19-2013 05:17 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I was the happiest person when I saw Portuguese girls on their Erasmus year in Poland. They'd not get a single bit of attention and would be the most desperate women in the clubs. The sweet taste of revenge.

One of my best Portuguese friends (a dude, of course) spent one year in Gdansk, under the Erasmus program. He went there with several male and female classmates from IST. Within a month, the dudes had gone from sex-starved omegas to rock-star alphas. The chicks were so traumatized by the brutal competition from Polish girls that they all quit in the first weeks, and returned to Lisbon.

Reminds me of that 1997 the eXile article on eXpats in Moscow:

Quote:

By now, everyone pretty much knows the sordid truth about Moscow's male eXpats. And yet it never ceases to amaze. Formerly respectable, squeaky-voiced Western men arrive in Moscow and, in a matter of a couple of months, transform into barking sexist pigs of a sort we thought only existed in the paranoid fantasies of turbo-feminist Andrea Dworkin. Almost without fail, they abandon their eXpat girlfriends and turn into modern day Hun-a-bies, burning their money on $500 whores, coke-head bimbos, and teenie-bop airheads in an orgy of condomless one-night stands. Things are even worse in the office. There must be more boss/secretary sex going on just in the conference rooms of Moscow's multinationals than in all of Switzerland at any given time. Expat men, most of whom were sex-starved nerds growing hair on the palms of their hands back home, are now living lives they thought were reserved for rock stars, and nothing, it seems, can stop them. Why do they behave like this? Well, as Phil Sutter of Sutter Foods put it, "It's like the joke about why a dog licks its balls: eXpat guys act like this because they can."

[LEMONed IScream]

I agree with the last part indeed, and abroad I kill it too xD
But portuguese guys not understanding the love for polish chicks? WHAT?XD I would put my head on the line betting that our favourites are from Eastern Europe and Scandinavia... even if the Scandies are overrated. XD

(03-19-2013 05:12 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

once again, I repeat myself. I'm so glad 99% of my portuguese friends don't understand my love for polish chicks.

I don't have patience for portuguese girls. wasting time on going to stupid "cafézinhos" over and over. female friends actually cockblocking you, ruining you slim chances... And extreme white knighting from the dudes. Not to mention that most of them have lower IQs than a brick, spending their time watching big brother spin offs.
I am the typical case that in Portugal I can't kiss a girl to save my life, but when I'm abroad I do very well

[LEMONed IScream]

Hm, I sense butthurt in here ahem.

You forget the simple fact that we moved the seat to Brazil because the French invaded Portugal and the Royal Family fled until the invasions were defeated ;D

And we fucked women everywhere we went! Also, imagine how "HOT" the indigenous and africans were at the time. You may dislike portuguese women but they are far from being THAT horrible, and I'm not even a fan of them myself.

(03-19-2013 05:37 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Portuguese women are god awful.

So bad in fact that once Portuguese men discovered the New World, they fucked so many hot Indigenous and African women to almost create a new race in Brazil.....

even going so far as to move the seat of the Kingdom to Brazil.

If you want to see a hot woman speaking Portuguese you have to go to Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, and .... Portugal itself dead last - if at all.

[Icarus]

(03-19-2013 07:44 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

And we fucked women everywhere we went!

Portugal was stretched too thin. The population was just over 1 million, and there were colonies and trading posts in Brazil, Africa, Iran, India, Malaysia, China, and Japan. There was a lack of Portuguese women in the colonies. Therefore, the Portuguese king aggressively promoted miscegenation, in order to increase the population levels in the colonies. Especially in Brazil, which was being coveted by the French and the Dutch.

[qazwsx]

(03-19-2013 05:37 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Portuguese women are god awful.

So bad in fact that once Portuguese men discovered the New World, they fucked so many hot Indigenous and African women to almost create a new race in Brazil.....

even going so far as to move the seat of the Kingdom to Brazil.

If you want to see a hot woman speaking Portuguese you have to go to Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, and .... Portugal itself dead last - if at all.

You forget to mention Cape Verde where some of the oddest and best genetic combinations were made. There are some unbelievably beautiful girls from Cape Verde, that are a rare vision in all world: mulatas (mixed black and white blood) with blonde or light-brown curled hair and blue or green eyes.

[LEMONed IScream]

Yes indeed you are right, I was kind of applying it today too, many of us have little success here but kill it when we go outside , and we wonder what OUR problem was... then we realize it's not exactly ours...XD

(03-19-2013 07:57 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 07:44 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

And we fucked women everywhere we went!

Portugal was stretched too thin. The population was just over 1 million, and there were colonies and trading posts in Brazil, Africa, Iran, India, Malaysia, China, and Japan. There was a lack of Portuguese women in the colonies. Therefore, the Portuguese king aggressively promoted miscegenation, in order to increase the population levels in the colonies. Especially in Brazil, which was being coveted by the French and the Dutch.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I've known several Portugese women and they were a bit chubby, but their company was pleasant enough. No complaints. I don't know if the place is feminist-fucked, though.

[LEMONed IScream]

Honestly I do not think it is THAT much feminism fucked! I think they are irreverent by nature, even older women can be like that and they lived many years of dictatorship which did not favour women at all! .... So ^^

[uote='Handsome Creepy Eel' pid='398166' dateline='1363770883']
I've known several Portugese women and they were a bit chubby, but their company was pleasant enough. No complaints. I don't know if the place is feminist-fucked, though.
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[Wreckingball]

Tip of advice....don't even go near the Portuguese Playboy or Penthouse. It is depressing.

[LEMONed IScream]

Allow me to add though, that the current teens bring me good perspectives towards the future! I have seen more quality by younger and younger chicks! So at least lookwise there will be an improvement !

[InternationPlayboy]

This is sad news. I've been wanting to check out Portugal for a while. I've only known one Portuguese girl that I can think of. She was overweight but had a cute face. Either way, it won't stop me from going, as I hear it's quit a pleasant country, and cheap at that for western europe.

[Brosemite]

(03-19-2013 05:24 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The difference is that Greek girls look hot and turn you horny but there is no relief.Only guys and slavic women can serve as a relief for the horny Greek man.
Also Portugese and Spanish do not have slavic mix at all.This means quite unattractive women.

Huge fan of Greek women, but Spanish women I think are amazing...not as exotic as Greek..but definitely much more attractive than Portuguese ones.

[LEMONed IScream]

I think the "much more" is an exaggeration, I have been to Spain almost 10 times, if you say they are generally nicer and easier I will agree, about the MUCH MORE I certainly disagree, maybe in average yes! Also, spanish women take care of themselves better and they are more vain which is definitely in their advantage ^^

(03-21-2013 12:05 AM)yb13 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 05:24 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The difference is that Greek girls look hot and turn you horny but there is no relief.Only guys and slavic women can serve as a relief for the horny Greek man.
Also Portugese and Spanish do not have slavic mix at all.This means quite unattractive women.

Huge fan of Greek women, but Spanish women I think are amazing...not as exotic as Greek..but definitely much more attractive than Portuguese ones.

[LEMONed IScream]

About the cheap and pleasant part you are spot on, you can add safe, nice people and good food to the list, and generally the weather is nice.

Now, the quality of the prey is what depends the most, but you can find real gems in the right places.

A secret, a portuguese trait we all share is a certain pessimism... so you can see the opinions from Portuguese guys here , myself included, aren't really positive. But what is more off-putting is the ATTITUDE and not the looks itself, but in my personal case, the attitude has led me to have a certain "disgust" for the looks, before I thought this was normal, but as I started to travel more, I opened my eyes.

(03-20-2013 05:52 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

This is sad news. I've been wanting to check out Portugal for a while. I've only known one Portuguese girl that I can think of. She was overweight but had a cute face. Either way, it won't stop me from going, as I hear it's quit a pleasant country, and cheap at that for western europe.

[LEMONed IScream]

For those who have facebook, I will repost a page that contains pretty nice girls, 90% or so of them are "unknown" so to speak! Generally they are of high mid class or upper class , so yeah

http://www.facebook.com/beldadesportuguesas?fref=ts