[Menace]

Giovinny,

Is there some way to tell if girls have daddy issues? Not talking about anything obvious like tatoos, drug use, etc. Just subtle stuff. I've recently started to wonder whether this is someone I connect well with (I'm older like you). It would be good to be able to screen for this...but a lot of it does not come out until you know her. I guess the solution is, as you said, approach. Actually, that's probably the solution to 80% of the problems we talk about here.

[Deepdiver]

(03-11-2013 03:36 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:52 PM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

I started an account on SA. A lot of those girls are delusional 6s and below who think some rich is going to pay the same price to bang them that he'd pay for an escort.

Indeed, take a look at these deluded fuglies and the beta chumps who pay for their services:

Classic feminist dominated main stream media (ABC 20/20) hachet job - focus on two low value unattractive 4's - one of which is an admitted fraud going "under cover" as if some criminal enterprise were about to be uncovered and then feign Shock Shock Shock that successful wealthy men are willing to pay the bills for sexy attractive young women who keep foolishly indebting themselves with heavy student loans for low/no earning degrees (music) that will never pay off the loans - and the men during their initial arrangement dates screenings actually come out and ask if the "reporter" fraud wasting their time "will have sex with them?" as part of a consenting adult relationship? As though her lesbian gaggle of fister sisters does not expect the same over some wine, cheese and crackers unless they find some beta willing to settle for a 3-4 and be their mortgage and DNA child support mule for them and their hideous spawn for the next 25 years.

Would any man on RVF look twice at these poster girls for male sexploitation they featured here?

The typically SA or EM (seeking arrangement or established men) female member knows her situation and the attractive ones are just looking for a guy that has the ability to enjoy an upscale life rather than some scrub who she has to pay his bills as well as hers. These sites do have a few hags but also many very sexy and attractive ladies looking for a good man without the match.com marriage or common law wife divorce lottery sugar plum fairies dancing around their hampster brains.

Question is with common law evolving into extreme PC lunacy does one need an arrangement agreement along the lines of a prenup to establish the relationship as basically FWB friends with benefits and NOT a marriage, pre-marriage or worse common law marriage. As usual the states family/divorce law attorneys (raging feminists) will have their claws into anywhere they smell money and can grab their 33%. No worse than hooking up day or night game style with your local snowflakes.

All in all more likely to get what you want without the nasty legal side effects in an arrangement than the alternatives as at least these ladies know the score the moment they sign up.

The way I am currently screening females is to determine if they are a spinnaker or sea anchor in my life - will they buy into and work towards a common vision for living our lives as companions or will they keep taking down and wasting the bricks (dollars) I use to build my life and legacy.

Words mean nothing of course and their actions everything when screening these ladies.

Is she a real partner or just a stealth legal life pirate.

[Deepdiver]

Ok so I decide to experiment with some new innovative Mentor/Protege game techniques and rewrite my SA profile and I get banged down:

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: SeekingArrangement PROFILE DENIED

SeekingArrangement PROFILE DENIED
Your recent profile update has been denied:

>> This is a dating website. Please provide an appropriate description

This is because it has not been filled out properly or it contains inappropriate content.

Appears they did not like the "Job Description" aspect of the rewrite even though I was quite direct about looking for a spokes model type RA/VPA/FWB research assistant/very personal assistant/FriendWithBenefits... Oh yeah appears that they did not like my writing in the compensation plan either.

So I tweaked it to more of looking for a young female spokes model type to help me build my biz and enjoy an international lifestyle and took out the compensation line and it seems that no longer rubbed SA's sensibilities the wrong way and looks GTB so we will see how this works...

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:41 AM
Subject: SeekingArrangement PROFILE APPROVED

SeekingArrangement PROFILE APPROVED
YOUR PROFILE HAS BEEN APPROVED!

You may log into your account at SeekingArrangement.com

I obviously do not use the Deepdiver pseudonym on SA or any other sites and will not post my SA offer as I don't want any white knights negging my experiments. Likely to be a work in progress and change anyway so will see how it goes.

Game On...

[horn]

(03-07-2013 04:48 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

That's the thing.

They're not hookers. At least they rationalize that they are not. (The ones that demand cash for sex on the first date generally ARE hookers trying to play the sugar baby game. Next them.)

They're making a grab for the golden ring and willingly give up the snatch to get it.

This is correct. And it's not at all unusual in places like Manhattan. You have to remember the rationalization hamster is strong in these girls.

[MrXY]

I'm gaming a chick right now who does this. She has a well-to-do married guy who pays her $300-400 for sex once or twice a month and just bought her some furniture. Says she met him through her waitressing job. She is actually really hot

[Giovonny]

(03-11-2013 04:55 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Giovonny,

Is there some way to tell if girls have daddy issues?

I just ask them about their father. I ask how their relationship is..

If she says she has no father or a bad relationship with him, I go into "father figure" game.

If she says she loves and admires her father, then I go into "older man fantasy" game.

Some girls are just drawn to older men. They will stare at you. They will ask how old you are. They will try to be around you. They will touch you.

Honestly, after all these years, I can tell if a girl has daddy issues just by the way she looks at me.

They just have this look in their eye that says - "will you be my daddy???"

But, seriously, just ask her about her dad and go from there..

[Ensam]

(03-18-2013 04:39 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:55 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Giovonny,

Is there some way to tell if girls have daddy issues?

I just ask them about their father. I ask how their relationship is..

If she says she has no father or a bad relationship with him, I go into "father figure" game.

If she says she loves and admires her father, then I go into "older man fantasy" game.

I'd love it if you wrote up a data sheet on the difference between the two. I'm getting to the age where I can start to play that angle but I don't understand the subtleties yet.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

Again, is anyone else on the forum planning to try this?

I'm test driving this strategy in a new city. I have a few bites, now I'll see how hard they are to convert into bangs.

[Vitriol]

(03-19-2013 08:15 PM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

Again, is anyone else on the forum planning to try this?

I'm test driving this strategy in a new city. I have a few bites, now I'll see how hard they are to convert into bangs.

I plan on trying this in a couple months when I get my next raise and have a bit more money to throw around. Honestly, if I spend a few hundred bucks and have a guaranteed bang, it seems like a decent trade-off. Plus I would try to be up front about wanting something sporadic and not too serious or committed. Maybe try to find some broke college bitches that would be happy to have some guy spend money on them once in awhile.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

(03-19-2013 08:37 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 08:15 PM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

Again, is anyone else on the forum planning to try this?

I'm test driving this strategy in a new city. I have a few bites, now I'll see how hard they are to convert into bangs.

I plan on trying this in a couple months when I get my next raise and have a bit more money to throw around. Honestly, if I spend a few hundred bucks and have a guaranteed bang, it seems like a decent trade-off. Plus I would try to be up front about wanting something sporadic and not too serious or committed. Maybe try to find some broke college bitches that would be happy to have some guy spend money on them once in awhile.

Most of the girls are asking for a monthly stipend of over $1000. I'm sure most of those girls are exaggerating and some will be happy to just go out to fancy restaurants, but a lot of them will want $500+ per month so I think this will require a pump and dump strategy for success. Get her to give you a taste of the sugar on the first night and then never see her again; she'll probably expect some cash the next time.

My plan is to do appetizers and drinks at a very nice restaurant near my hotel and then bring her back to my room to sample the goods. Of course I'll phrase it in such a way that she's just coming back to my room for a nightcap. Girls who put out will get a C note for a cab back home. Girls who don't put out GTFO.

I'll let you know how it goes. What city are you in? PM me if you don't want to post here.

[Giovonny]

(03-18-2013 06:09 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:39 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:55 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Giovonny,

Is there some way to tell if girls have daddy issues?

I just ask them about their father. I ask how their relationship is..

If she says she has no father or a bad relationship with him, I go into "father figure" game.

If she says she loves and admires her father, then I go into "older man fantasy" game.

I'd love it if you wrote up a data sheet on the difference between the two. I'm getting to the age where I can start to play that angle but I don't understand the subtleties yet.

No problem.

I started doing this when I started dating girls half my age.

After asking her about her dad and determining what kind of relationship they have, I will get a sense of her needs and wants from a man.

Based on her answers, I might into one of these two gaming styles.

"Father Figure Game" - Fill the empty spaces left by her father;

She will crave attention, guidance, direction, discipline, etc. She will crave a masculine presence in her life. I take a position superior to her. I speak to her form a place of authority, the same way a father would. I correct her when she needs correcting, I advise her when she needs advising. I help her focus her life and get on a path towards success. This is what she wants, this is what she needs, she was just lacking some strong, male, adult leadership

Addressing these things as they relate specifically to her life will cause her to get emotional and connect with you. They crave masculine leadership in their lives.

"Older Man Fantasy Game" - Satisfy her curiosity and need for new, exciting experiences;

She has a good relationship with her father. She is fresh out of high school. She is away at college in the big city. What does she want? She wants fun and excitement. Now is her chance to experiment with sex and drugs and try all the things she has been fantasizing about since she was 12 or 13. Fucking an older man is often one of these fantasies.

I take a different tone with these girls. I don't speak to them in a fatherly manner like I would with the other girls. I present myself as a fun, cool, established older guy that can introduce her to the new experiences that she is looking for. I take them to downtown San Francisco for lunch and shopping. I often provide drugs and alcohol. Many times I pick them up at their dorm room and no one knows but her and I. I make the fantasy a reality!

I often dress better when I'm with these girls because it's all about the "cool, older guy vibe".

Its all about identifying and FULFILLING her needs, wants, and desires.

Once you identify her needs, you can begin to address them in the best possible way.

Trust me, younger girls love older guys. It's taboo -- which makes them even more curious about it!!!

[King Solomon]

Thanks Giovonny.

I'm down for the father figure game all day, but I think that the Older Man Fantasy game would require that the older man be somewhat distinguished or established, and that wouldn't fit for me right now.

Do you find that the girls with strong fathers are more difficult targets? Your description mentions one who is in a far off city, but what if Daddy is here in town, or she even lives under his roof? The Older Man Fantasy game might require some distance on that front.

thoughts?

and thanks again

[Giovonny]

(03-20-2013 02:54 PM)King Solomon Wrote:  

I think that the Older Man Fantasy game would require that the older man be somewhat distinguished or established

Yes, it helps if the older man is established, distinguished, high status and/or wealthy.

I am none of these things.

But, I present myself like I am.

Perception is often reality..

Just fake it.

(03-20-2013 02:54 PM)King Solomon Wrote:  

Do you find that the girls with strong fathers are more difficult targets?

Not more difficult. Just different. If she has a strong father, I will not run "daddy game". I will just run my default game, which is to PROBE her mind for her passions and interests, and then connect to her through those things that excite her.

(03-20-2013 02:54 PM)King Solomon Wrote:  

what if Daddy is here in town, or she even lives under his roof?

Then, I offer her an escape. She can get out of parents house and come spend the night with me.

Basically, you look at her life, determine what needs she has, and then adjust your game accordingly.

Let me know if you have any more questions..

I using "Older Man Fantasy Game" with this girl:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14130-...#pid316027

I'm using "Father Figure Game" with this girl:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14130-...#pid391063

[GenJx]

Gio I think you can clean up on seekingarrangement from what it sounds like

[MrXY]

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Yes, it helps if the older man is established, distinguished, high status and/or wealthy.

I am none of these things.

But, I present myself like I am.

Perception is often reality..

Just fake it.

Exactly! Young women are very impressed by small signals of status, wealth and sophistication that cost little or nothing, making them easy to fake. Knowledge and experience can substitute for money and status.

Just dressing a certain way, not necessarily suited up at all, but levels up from the guys she is used to helps a lot. Shoes are key here-women seem to have an instinct for assessing a man by his shoes even if they know nothing really about men's shoes. Somehow, they just know. Fine shoes do costs some money but they will pay you back in pussy

Having venues on lock down is a monster DHV to the young ones. When you walk in and the hostess greets you in a familiar way and the bartender comes right over and greets you and asks you if you want your usual, or the doorman shakes your hand, or the manager comes over and asks you how are things tonight, their jaws drop. None of the guys they've been out with get treated like this-it's like you're a mini celebrity to her now. It's status game on the cheap and its works great.

Talking a little about cocktails, wine, or liquor as you're deciding on your drinks shows your sophistication easily. Talk about places you've traveled to-it shows you're an experienced man of the world- you've been to places she's only fantasized about.

Drop passing statements about businesses you are or have been involved in and connections you have. Doesn't matter if it's exaggerated or untrue, keep it nebulous. If this creates a shady vibe, so much the better.

Quote:

what if Daddy is here in town, or she even lives under his roof?

Then, I offer her an escape. She can get out of parents house and come spend the night with me.

A girl 20 years younger than me who lives with her parents is coming from her little town 2 hours away to spend the night with me tonight and experience the local nightlife and my dick.

[GenJx]

seeing a lot of girls on okcupid also on seekingarrangement

[GenJx]

some of these sluts think their pussy is worth 10,000 a month

[Giovonny]

(03-20-2013 04:16 PM)GenJx Wrote:  

Gio I think you can clean up on seekingarrangement from what it sounds like

I doubt it. I don't offer girls money. Maybe, I should just fake it ?!?

But, I probably won't -- because I don't need to play games and trick girls into f*cking me. I would rather avoid all drama.

(03-26-2013 12:27 PM)GenJx Wrote:  

some of these sluts think their pussy is worth 10,000 a month

The problem is too many guys are willing to pay. SugarDaddy/SugarBaby relationships are exploding.

I expect this trend in "transactional sex" to continue to grow as the divide between rich and poor also continues to grow.

There are millions of guys with big money but small game. Or, big money but little free time.

"Transactional sex" is a growing trend in America.

I don't offer money, I offer food, fun, and wild sex!

[Aliblahba]

I signed up when this thread kicked off. A couple weeks ago I checked and had about a dozen emails and a handful of winks/fav's. It wasn't worth paying to see what was in the inbox. I'm thinking like Gio, too much drama. If I head up north I may kick it off though. Right now I'm working on other online venues.

There's plenty of broke ass bitches looking for a guy to take them out, but don't think their pussy is worth 10k per month.

[GenJx]

(03-26-2013 12:35 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I doubt it. I don't offer girls money. Maybe, I should just fake it ?!?

But, I probably won't -- because I don't need to play games and trick girls into f*cking me. I would rather avoid all drama.

yes fake it, but i see your point about drama. just another avenue to consider for banging girls, maybe in the future.

[Giovonny]

(03-26-2013 12:50 PM)GenJx Wrote:  

maybe in the future.

Yes, maybe in the future.

I do want to get into online game at some point..

[j r]

(03-26-2013 12:40 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I signed up when this thread kicked off. A couple weeks ago I checked and had about a dozen emails and a handful of winks/fav's. It wasn't worth paying to see what was in the inbox. I'm thinking like Gio, too much drama. If I head up north I may kick it off though. Right now I'm working on other online venues.

There's plenty of broke ass bitches looking for a guy to take them out, but don't think their pussy is worth 10k per month.

I did the same thing once when I first heard about SA. I was curious about what the pool was compared to OKC in my area. And the same thing happened. I had no pictures and only enough of a profile to get me through registration, but I still got a bunch of messages and winks right away. I never followed up, because I wasn't actually looking and my curiosity wasn't enough to get me to fork over the $60 they wanted for a month's membership.

Between that and all the specific mentions of SA I've seen in articles recently, my scam sense is tingling. Anyone here actually on SA? Is that initial batch of messages for real or is it a way to get dudes to register? And all these stories. I wonder of they're legit or just SA's PR's people working overtime.

[samsamsam]

For shits and giggles - I searched the word "sugar" in the m4w section. There were 118 posts in the LA Craigslist. So you probably could just do it through CL and not pay for the service. I clicked on a few ads out of curiosity and there is some strange shit that guys request.

Anyway, just a suggestion.

[Giovonny]

(03-26-2013 01:48 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

I clicked on a few ads out of curiosity and there is some strange shit that guys request.

Like what???

[MrXY]

(03-26-2013 12:35 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

The problem is too many guys are willing to pay. SugarDaddy/SugarBaby relationships are exploding.

I expect this trend in "transactional sex" to continue to grow as the divide between rich and poor also continues to grow.

There are millions of guys with big money but small game. Or, big money but little free time.

"Transactional sex" is a growing trend in America.

I don't offer money, I offer food, fun, and wild sex!

I agree. I went out with a girl last week that I have banged before who works as a waitress and she started talking about how she needed a sugar daddy and would make a great sugar baby.

I'm gaming another waitress-no bang yet- who actually does have a sugar daddy; he pays her a few hundred dollars a month to bang her once or twice.

As the country's economic decline continues and the welfare state gradually falls apart, I expect we will move more toward a third world country situation in which it's common for older guys with money to "sponsor" young women.