[Virtus]

(03-08-2013 11:31 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

I don't see how guys on here do not get this.

He takes the chick out on a legit date to a nice place to "prove" that he has money. He's developed enough game to make a good impression on that date. Then he takes her back and bangs her. Why is that so hard to understand?!

Most of us with decent jobs and incomes can easily fake being much wealthier than we really are. Take her to a nice place, pretend to be rich, run game, bang. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Few women will ask for a huge sum upfront because it gets in the way of the delusion that they are not selling sex. So if a guy "proves" he has money, demonstrates that he's willing to buy her shit, and has acceptable game, she will bang him on the first date in hopes that he'll keep the money coming.

yup. this

[Hotwheels]

(03-07-2013 07:47 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Im still calling some BS on it because there is no chance he is able to bang 50 girls like that and all of them not requiring an expensive date, cash, or a nice pad. This is a dude with little experience gaming and you are telling me that all of a sudden he became some super casanova that is making these chicks bang him without any guarantee of cash at all. I can see it with a few chicks but no way he does that with 50.

50 broads in a year and a half is less than 3/month. Very doable.

Especially in a market like NYC.

He used both POF and SA so he had a LOT of broads to work with, contacting 3-500 in his own words. I don't see his numbers as being unattainable by any means.

Only banging half of those he met isn't very good really. I do better than that with normal POF game by far.

You need to remember that the broads on SA have already decided to give up the snatch in exchange for cash. They are definitely DTF as they know it's their vagina that holds the value.

[Hotwheels]

(03-08-2013 11:31 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

I don't see how guys on here do not get this.

He takes the chick out on a legit date to a nice place to "prove" that he has money. He's developed enough game to make a good impression on that date. Then he takes her back and bangs her. Why is that so hard to understand?!

Most of us with decent jobs and incomes can easily fake being much wealthier than we really are. Take her to a nice place, pretend to be rich, run game, bang. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Few women will ask for a huge sum upfront because it gets in the way of the delusion that they are not selling sex. So if a guy "proves" he has money, demonstrates that he's willing to buy her shit, and has acceptable game, she will bang him on the first date in hopes that he'll keep the money coming.

EBIF gets it.

This shit isn't rocket science.

[Lothario]

I'm with Hotwheels and EBIF on this one, very well articulated guys, I can't put my thought process like you guys did but ditto my voice.

If one of the Forum members sleeps with 50 + women in a year , It is doable but when a Rich Doctor does it using Money, Game, Confidence ect etc everybody shake their head in disbelief ????

Money + Game = Most lethal Combo IMO

[slubu]

Well I guess it's time to reactivate my SA account...

[thegmanifesto]

(03-08-2013 11:41 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 07:47 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Im still calling some BS on it because there is no chance he is able to bang 50 girls like that and all of them not requiring an expensive date, cash, or a nice pad. This is a dude with little experience gaming and you are telling me that all of a sudden he became some super casanova that is making these chicks bang him without any guarantee of cash at all. I can see it with a few chicks but no way he does that with 50.

50 broads in a year and a half is less than 3/month. Very doable.

Especially in a market like NYC.

He used both POF and SA so he had a LOT of broads to work with, contacting 3-500 in his own words. I don't see his numbers as being unattainable by any means.

Only banging half of those he met isn't very good really. I do better than that with normal POF game by far.

You need to remember that the broads on SA have already decided to give up the snatch in exchange for cash. They are definitely DTF as they know it's their vagina that holds the value.

Yeah, very doable. (so to speak).

If you are going out 4 nights per week on dates, you only have to close 16% of your dates to hit that number.

Again, very doable.

[Merenguero]

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm assuming this guy gave them something on the first date. What kind of whore puts out for free?

Quote:

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

It's simple. They know if they don't give him quick sex, he may very well go elsewhere, even though they would only consider being with him for financial gain. It's happened to me countless times.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-08-2013 12:33 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm assuming this guy gave them something on the first date. What kind of whore puts out for free?

Quote:

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

It's simple. They know if they don't give him quick sex, he may very well go elsewhere, even though they would only consider being with him for financial gain. It's happened to me countless times.

Exactly.

As with most "new" revelations on the internet, I covered this very same subject over 6 years ago back in 2007 Platinum Diggers.

I am almost tempted to try this angle with the website, but then again, I can walk 2 blocks tonight and meet these types of girls if I want to.

[Giovonny]

(03-07-2013 06:34 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Thanks for snipping off the part where I said; "At least they rationalize that they are not."

Sorry, I do that sometimes. Selective Editing. Now that you have explained your point in more detail, I see what you mean.

Many of these girls are not full fledged prostitutes, many are just looking for a rich boyfriend. There are many different layers and nuances of gold diggers, semi-pros, pros, and just "normal" girls who wants to date wealthy men.

You were right.

(03-07-2013 06:34 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

I look at these girls as no different than the broads guys are hosing down in poorer countries like the DR, Columbia, Ukraine, etc. A lot of those broads hook up with a gringo because of what he can offer her beyond just sex. Nice meals, drinks, fun times, etc that the average broke local guy cannot provide.

Yes, this is why we can shore. We are the rich foreigner. They bang us for free with the hope that we will spend some time with them and maybe become a friend, boyfriend, lover who pays for dates, gifts, travel, etc. Things the guys in their local social circle can not afford.

I know girls who shore are hoping that we will fall in love with them, fall in love with their p*ssy, or get pregnant. Be careful.

(03-08-2013 11:31 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

I don't see how guys on here do not get this.

He takes the chick out on a legit date to a nice place to "prove" that he has money. He's developed enough game to make a good impression on that date. Then he takes her back and bangs her. Why is that so hard to understand?!

Yeah, why is this so hard to understand?!?

It seems pretty simple to me...

Pretend to be a sugar daddy, pretend to be rich, pretend to be interested in an "arrangement", go on a date, have a few drinks, get her to a bedroom, bang.

I'm poor but I still think I could pull this off.

I might have to buy some new clothes and borrow a car from one of you guys!

(03-08-2013 12:22 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Well I guess it's time to reactivate my SA account...

You should be doing this at UCLA and USC. And, Pepperdine and LMU.

(03-07-2013 07:47 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Im still calling some BS on it because there is no chance he is able to bang 50 girls like that and all of them not requiring an expensive date, cash, or a nice pad.

You think gold diggers, hoes, and semi-pros need to be wined and dined!?!?

You must be a little young, inexperienced and/or naive. No offense, just saying..

These girls are looking for a rich man. Their only power is their young p*ssy. The rich man has much more power. He has decades and generations worth of wealth.

They give him their p*ssy in hopes that he will like it and want to rent it out on a more regular basis.

Like other guys have said, its basically letting him sample the goods for free. They are hoping to hook him.

As you get older. gain more experience, and get wealthier, you will experience this.

Girls will bang you just because THEY THINK you are a man of status.

The exact same thing would happen to you if you went to the Philippines or Cambodia right now!

[Giovonny]

(03-08-2013 01:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I can walk 2 blocks tonight and meet these types of girls if I want to.

Yeah, I could surf the internet but I would rather surf the streets.

I really do need to get into online game though. I know I'm passing up on some easy p*ssy.

Reminds me of something that my older brother used to say to me...

"I pass on more p*ssy then you get"

[DirkJohanson]

(03-07-2013 02:24 PM)jammer Wrote:  

I wonder how he bangs half of them without providing money. I assume some of them won't have sex without a guarantee of money. Plus he can't go on cheap dates all the time if he is trying to sell the dream to these girls.

The more the guy has behind him as far as dollars and can show it, the less he really has to spend. Do you think Derek Jeter has to take chicks out to expensive restaurants to get laid?

[Hotwheels]

(03-08-2013 01:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I might have to buy some new clothes and borrow a car from one of you guys!

Meet at a hotel bar and she will have no idea what you drive. You have no reason to leave.

Think outside the box. Be devious.

(03-08-2013 01:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You should be doing this at UCLA and USC. And, Pepperdine and LMU.

A fuckton of sugar babies are college students looking for help with tuition. There should be a good crop out in LA.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/26/living/stu...ationships

[Aliblahba]

(03-08-2013 12:22 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Well I guess it's time to reactivate my SA account...

What is SA?

[Kwisatz]

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

(03-08-2013 02:03 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

What is SA?

[DirkJohanson]

(03-07-2013 06:16 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

I thought about it a couple of years ago when I first read about sugar daddy websites in a mainstream article somewhere. If I thought of it, and this guy thought of it, then I'm sure 100,000 other guys have as well. There have to be some downsides that prevent it from being a viable pussy-getting scheme for most. A few that I can think of:

-you must live in a place with a large enough population to ensure that there are a good number of hot girls shameless enough to seek such an arrangement. Not a big hurdle in itself.

-you must be able to pull off 'multimillionaire game,' or give a convincing impression of it. They may be whores, but when your approach promises them riches in return for pussy, they're not going to be impressed with budget studio apartments and the like. Furthermore, I'd imagine you'd have to take them out on the initial date to someplace suiting your 'means,' and pay everything, which could easily be a few hundred dollars. In short, not an economical means of obtaining large amounts of pussy on a regular basis for most guys. Very doable for a socially-awkward doctor, though.

-you must have more "moral flexibility" than most men, because this scheme involves more conning and less gaming. Game is basically putting your best foot forward, even if you fudge a few things, while this involves outright deception, in the sense that you virtually promise her a specific reward in return for sex, get what you want, and then withhold the $$. It's different from shoring -that involves gaming a working prostitute so she fucks you for free. This involves scamming what amount to wannabe 'high class' escorts.

-being around outright gold-diggers is usually distasteful. Especially if you have to act the part of beta billionaire.

On the other hand, if you have a nice pad, some extra cash you'd be spending on yourself anyway (e.g., going to the best steakhouse in town, may as well bring a chick) and don't have better sources of poon, this could be a way to get into some 20-something's pants.

I've been very successful on a sugardaddy site. Truth be told, I don't withhold the money, though some don't ask for it or even expect it.

First dates tend to be a relatively expensive proposition, but its safer legally than calling an escort, I have a lot of fun on these dates going out with and banging a variety of chicks half my age on a regular basis, and I've been seeing one of them for almost four years.

[Samseau]

(03-08-2013 12:33 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm assuming this guy gave them something on the first date. What kind of whore puts out for free?

Quote:

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

It's simple. They know if they don't give him quick sex, he may very well go elsewhere, even though they would only consider being with him for financial gain. It's happened to me countless times.

Gotcha. So the demand for rich men is higher than the supply of pussy.

Unlike the normal dating world, where the supply of pussy is low, the gold-digger dating world has a very high supply of pussy.

Now, that's all fine and dandy, but there are still obviously expenses associated with this type of game:

1. You'll be paying for a hotel room (it better be a nice one too to keep up the mirage): $150 - $350

2. You'll be paying for a nice dinner or 4-5 drinks. Dinner: $70-$100 Drinks: $40-$60

3. IF she's truly beautiful, she's going to expect a gift on the first date before putting out. Gift cost: $200-$500

Steps 1 and 2 are all that is necessary for the average gold digger.

Step 3 will be required for women in the 9-10 range. No matter how low the supply of rich men is, the supply of unbelievably gorgeous women is still lower. Step 3 might also be mitigated if you're under 45 and have extremely tight game.


You guys might want to know how I know about step 3... my mother was a gold-digger, and even though she had hundreds of guys flirt with her every month, she never put out except for the richest of men who were willing to spend. My father wooed her by buying her a new car (which she subsequently crashed).

[Hotwheels]

For one, your mom must be pretty fucking hot.

Secondly, there is a lot of variety amongst the SB's out there. From struggling college students to knockout 10's demanding 20 grand a month. The internet lays them out for you to pick and choose your poison.

Most today are not as demanding as you describe. I've gone to Tilted Kilt and smashed off of SA. It doesn't have to cost a fortune.

[Vicious]

Unless you have a lot of money to blow I'm not seeing the value in this as opposed to regular online game.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

Anyone else on here planning to try this out?

[DVY]

@Samseau- howd that work out long-term. Just curious?

[Aliblahba]

If I was filthy rich, I'd rent out a 4-5 bedroom house near a major college campus, and keep it filled with a harem of bitches. I'd offer room and board in exchange for unlimited sex. Until I hit the lottery though.

I imagine you could pull this by renting out a place cool like Milan, and fill it up with desperate EE girls.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-08-2013 02:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Gotcha. So the demand for rich men is higher than the supply of pussy.

Unlike the normal dating world, where the supply of pussy is low, the gold-digger dating world has a very high supply of pussy.

Now, that's all fine and dandy, but there are still obviously expenses associated with this type of game:

1. You'll be paying for a hotel room (it better be a nice one too to keep up the mirage): $150 - $350

2. You'll be paying for a nice dinner or 4-5 drinks. Dinner: $70-$100 Drinks: $40-$60

3. IF she's truly beautiful, she's going to expect a gift on the first date before putting out. Gift cost: $200-$500

Steps 1 and 2 are really not that bad.

You can skip step 1 if you have a nice crib.

Step 3 is retarded.

[Aliblahba]

Ok now this is rich. I started a profile and did some browsing. Cannot believe some of these chicks are looking for $3-5K per month. Wow. I suspect most of the hot ones are strippers, which would be hard to con into sex on the first night. They know the game.

Emech could kill it on this site with his logistics and background.

[rudebwoy]

A friend of mine is on the site and has come across good success, for the most part the chicks aren't expecting too much.
In places like NYC this stuff is part of the culture, I know a man in his 60's who has young "girlfriends" buys them stuff.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

Step 1 is paid for by my clients whenever I'm on the road. Step 2 I can afford and it's worth it for a 50% or greater chance of sex, especially considering how much I'd spend going out trying to get laid the old fashioned way. Step 3 seems excessive.