[Virtus]

http://observer.com/2013/03/the-hebrew-hammer/?show=all

A NY jewish doctor lies to hordes of women that he is seeking arrangement looking for a sugar baby. Fucked about 50 out of the hundred he took on a date last year.

[Sphere]

Brilliant!

[RaulValdez739]

Didnt lose his virginity until 26. He went on to bang at least 50 women. Good for him

[Mujeriego]

This is hilarious.

[GenJx]

bloody brilliant

[Ovid]

Why publicize his racket for all the world to see, and potential bangs to shy away from?

[Walderschmidt]

Maybe the story got leaked or the article writer told him that he'd only say a small amount.

Or maybe, it's just a brilliant article meant to pass on a good idea in the disguise of an anecdote.

Awesome either way.

Wald

[Samseau]

(03-07-2013 12:39 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

Why publicize his racket for all the world to see, and potential bangs to shy away from?

Yep. He should have just posted it here

[Hotwheels]

I've thought about posting about "sugar daddy" game here but figured it wasn't worth the headaches of those screaming it isn't game. The guy in the article gets it.

It really isn't much different than normal game except it works really well on gold diggers and provider hunters.

I don't give a fuck if the broad is a gold digger. She isn't sticking around anyway.

[jammer]

I wonder how he bangs half of them without providing money. I assume some of them won't have sex without a guarantee of money. Plus he can't go on cheap dates all the time if he is trying to sell the dream to these girls.

[Hotwheels]

(03-07-2013 02:24 PM)jammer Wrote:  

I wonder how he bangs half of them without providing money. I assume some of them won't have sex without a guarantee of money. Plus he can't go on cheap dates all the time if he is trying to sell the dream to these girls.

First off, get the cheap date thing out of your head.

No, you don't have to go high end with all of these broads but don't come across as cheap. The PUA never buying bullshit is exactly that; bullshit.

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Like most of my online dates, sex is assumed from the start.

Every now and then I run across some broad that thinks she can be arm candy only and get paid. She gets laughed at and ignored.

Every now and then, fairly often actually, you'll run across a broad that really doesn't want much more than a successful boyfriend versus the broke losers she's been with. They're not all looking for thousands every month. In fact, I generally avoid those as I figure they would be too much of a pain in the ass, but may rethink that now after reading that article.

[Samseau]

I'm assuming this guy gave them something on the first date. What kind of whore puts out for free?

Quote:

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

[Giovonny]

This is basically "shoring". Tricking a hooker into f*cking for free.

High end shoring.

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

I don't know? I think these girls fuck for free because they think he is a rich man who will sponsor them. They are giving him the first one for free with the expectation that it will be an on going thing and they will get put on a monthly allowance.

Every other guy is not doing it because they haven't thought of it or they simply haven't tried it. Or, they think its not possible or they are just to lazy.

I mean, getting in great shape, dressing well, becoming a great conversationalist, building wealth and power and becoming a great dancer is proven to work -- yet not every guy is doing that.

Most people are just to lazy to become successful.

[Hotwheels]

That's the thing.

They're not hookers. At least they rationalize that they are not. (The ones that demand cash for sex on the first date generally ARE hookers trying to play the sugar baby game. Next them.)

They're making a grab for the golden ring and willingly give up the snatch to get it.

[Giovonny]

(03-07-2013 04:48 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

That's the thing.

They're not hookers.

They are actively looking for a man to exchange cash for sex!

If that ain't a hooker I don't know what is..???

[Ovid]

I thought about it a couple of years ago when I first read about sugar daddy websites in a mainstream article somewhere. If I thought of it, and this guy thought of it, then I'm sure 100,000 other guys have as well. There have to be some downsides that prevent it from being a viable pussy-getting scheme for most. A few that I can think of:

-you must live in a place with a large enough population to ensure that there are a good number of hot girls shameless enough to seek such an arrangement. Not a big hurdle in itself.

-you must be able to pull off 'multimillionaire game,' or give a convincing impression of it. They may be whores, but when your approach promises them riches in return for pussy, they're not going to be impressed with budget studio apartments and the like. Furthermore, I'd imagine you'd have to take them out on the initial date to someplace suiting your 'means,' and pay everything, which could easily be a few hundred dollars. In short, not an economical means of obtaining large amounts of pussy on a regular basis for most guys. Very doable for a socially-awkward doctor, though.

-you must have more "moral flexibility" than most men, because this scheme involves more conning and less gaming. Game is basically putting your best foot forward, even if you fudge a few things, while this involves outright deception, in the sense that you virtually promise her a specific reward in return for sex, get what you want, and then withhold the $$. It's different from shoring -that involves gaming a working prostitute so she fucks you for free. This involves scamming what amount to wannabe 'high class' escorts.

-being around outright gold-diggers is usually distasteful. Especially if you have to act the part of beta billionaire.

On the other hand, if you have a nice pad, some extra cash you'd be spending on yourself anyway (e.g., going to the best steakhouse in town, may as well bring a chick) and don't have better sources of poon, this could be a way to get into some 20-something's pants.

[Kwisatz]

It’s not difficult to tailor your expectations from women in a way that makes it clear that they have to show you what they are worth, and what they bring to the table long before you give them anything they want.

(03-07-2013 02:24 PM)jammer Wrote:  

I wonder how he bangs half of them without providing money. I assume some of them won't have sex without a guarantee of money. Plus he can't go on cheap dates all the time if he is trying to sell the dream to these girls.

Are you familiar with the term “Break Bread"? When a hooker chooses a new pimp she needs to prove herself by earning some cash and forking it over.

This guy passes himself off as an astute businessman who is used to negotiating. I negotiate contracts professionally and asking for random samples of a product before committing to a price is quite common.

Quote:

While S. said she was accustomed to receiving $5,000 to $10,000 a month from her sugar daddies, Logan suggested they start off at $1,000, and she jumped on it. “I thought to myself, what would an actual sugar daddy do?” Logan says. “An actual sugar daddy would try to negotiate a little. I’m a money guy, you know. I try to embrace the persona.”

[Hotwheels]

(03-07-2013 04:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 04:48 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

That's the thing.

They're not hookers.

They are actively looking for a man to exchange cash for sex!

If that ain't a hooker I don't know what is..???

Thanks for snipping off the part where I said; "At least they rationalize that they are not."

Those that are asking for 5,10,20 grand/month are nothing more than hookers on retainer.

However, a large number of broads on SA are not looking for huge sums of money each month. They are open to whatever. Like I said in my first post it seems a lot of them just want a well off/provider boyfriend.

I look at these girls as no different than the broads guys are hosing down in poorer countries like the DR, Columbia, Ukraine, etc. A lot of those broads hook up with a gringo because of what he can offer her beyond just sex. Nice meals, drinks, fun times, etc that the average broke local guy cannot provide.

A lot of sugar babies are the same.

Of course the ones asking for thousands per month are the ones guys hear about. They are actually in the minority from my experience.

[Hotwheels]

(03-07-2013 06:25 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  

It’s not difficult to tailor your expectations from women in a way that makes it clear that they have to show you what they are worth, and what they bring to the table long before you give them anything they want.

(03-07-2013 02:24 PM)jammer Wrote:  

I wonder how he bangs half of them without providing money. I assume some of them won't have sex without a guarantee of money. Plus he can't go on cheap dates all the time if he is trying to sell the dream to these girls.

Are you familiar with the term

? When a hooker chooses a new pimp she needs to prove herself by earning some cash and forking it over.

This guy passes himself off as an astute businessman who is used to negotiating. I negotiate contracts professionally and asking for random samples of a product before committing to a price is quite common.

Quote:

While S. said she was accustomed to receiving $5,000 to $10,000 a month from her sugar daddies, Logan suggested they start off at $1,000, and she jumped on it. “I thought to myself, what would an actual sugar daddy do?” Logan says. “An actual sugar daddy would try to negotiate a little. I’m a money guy, you know. I try to embrace the persona.”

[/quote]

Kwisatz gets it.

I really don't get why guys have such a hard time wrapping their heads around this.

And the "They're all hookers!" crap is why I have avoided posting about this in the past.

[kosko]

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm assuming this guy gave them something on the first date. What kind of whore puts out for free?

Quote:

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

Its NYC.

I don't think you could pull this off with that amount of volume anywhere else.

[Eddie Morra]

(03-07-2013 06:59 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm assuming this guy gave them something on the first date. What kind of whore puts out for free?

Quote:

Some may talk about the "arrangement" but you never pay out on the first date. If you do you have a hooker, not a sugar baby. Pump and dump these broads.

Run game on her during the "date" and take her for a test drive. Most of these broads know what the game is; Getting spoiled while putting out for the guy. They know any real guy isn't going to pay them without getting snatch.

Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

Its NYC.

I don't think you could pull this off with that amount of volume anywhere else.

In my part of the world (Ukraine) they call this arrangement "sponsoring".

[jammer]

Im still calling some BS on it because there is no chance he is able to bang 50 girls like that and all of them not requiring an expensive date, cash, or a nice pad. This is a dude with little experience gaming and you are telling me that all of a sudden he became some super casanova that is making these chicks bang him without any guarantee of cash at all. I can see it with a few chicks but no way he does that with 50.

[Kwisatz]

Few men realize, and all women know that pussy is a renewable resource. They aren’t just having sex with this guy, they are letting him “sample the goods” because they believe that they lose almost nothing but time by fucking him. Low risk with a high potential payoff. They will fuck any man that they believe will give them the financial comfort for they are looking for. No need to be Casanova.

He also knows his audience. Having sex with half the woman he met that are specifically in the meat-market to trade sex/companionship for money is a low percentage in my opinion. When he really refines his approach and screening process he’ll have a higher success rate.

(03-07-2013 07:47 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Im still calling some BS on it because there is no chance he is able to bang 50 girls like that and all of them not requiring an expensive date, cash, or a nice pad. This is a dude with little experience gaming and you are telling me that all of a sudden he became some super casanova that is making these chicks bang him without any guarantee of cash at all. I can see it with a few chicks but no way he does that with 50.

[Divorco]

(03-07-2013 07:47 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Im still calling some BS on it because there is no chance he is able to bang 50 that is making these chicks bang him without any guarantee of cash at all. I can see it with a few chicks but no way he does that with 50.

He says his apartment is being fumigated. You young poor guys don't seem to understand that many guys would easily spend a few hundred dollars per date. It is cheaper and higher quality than a street walker.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

I don't see how guys on here do not get this.

He takes the chick out on a legit date to a nice place to "prove" that he has money. He's developed enough game to make a good impression on that date. Then he takes her back and bangs her. Why is that so hard to understand?!

Most of us with decent jobs and incomes can easily fake being much wealthier than we really are. Take her to a nice place, pretend to be rich, run game, bang. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Few women will ask for a huge sum upfront because it gets in the way of the delusion that they are not selling sex. So if a guy "proves" he has money, demonstrates that he's willing to buy her shit, and has acceptable game, she will bang him on the first date in hopes that he'll keep the money coming.