[IRTdenialist]

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The ideas themselves are an odd blend of the pseudoscience Neuro-linguistic programming and evolutionary psychology but they have chilling implications for the practitioners.

Oh man, this line just cracked me up, chilling implications for the practitioners (us G's). I laughed so hard I had dribbles of piss running down my leg.

[Samseau]

(01-21-2013 07:29 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

The only thing that worries me is if they successfully get the manosphere labeled as a hate group, then one day they could shut these type of websites down.

It will happen

[Veloce]

(01-21-2013 06:25 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm not looking forward to the manosphere getting attacked in the mainstream media. That is when there's going to be huge arguments between us on this side and friends/family who are utterly naive and closed minded.

I'm looking forward to it. Why?

It's not like we're holing ourselves up in Waco and piling up sandbags and automatic weapons. We're just guys that like to get laid, think for ourselves, and live for ourselves.

Instead of a bunch of religious zealots with ridiculous claims and ideas, we're men from a huge variety of backgrounds. White, black, latino, asian, indian, and yes, sigh, greek. Older dudes, younger dudes. Rich dudes, student dudes. In other words, we can't be pigeonholed.

We are entrepreneurs, students, lawyers, chefs, writers, musicians, renaissance men, blue collar, white collar.

When it comes time to face the media and speak up, we just gotta find the smartest, most rational, and most well-spoken member. It won't take very long. Given that we spend much of our time confronting and overcoming uncomfortable social situations, I don't think this will be hard. I have full faith that "game" will work on the media, much in the same way that it works on bitches and at job interviews. A rational mind, full confidence, a little bit of cockiness, and that warm, playful vibe is all that's needed. The feminists and neo-liberals will be spitting venom and hatred and they will look like fools in the public eye.

There will be no arguments. We'll stand up for who we are in the face of anger and irrationality. We'll be hated on. But a little smirk and wink to the camera is the only "argument" that we'll offer.

They'll bring this to the televised debate:


...and we'll bring this:

[Samseau]

I remember there was a thread awhile back asking if they wanted this forum to be more popular and I said I didn't.

I think you guys are starting to understand why popularity is bad for this place, it's gonna be the downfall of RVF. I just want a place where I can hang with the guys and share tips for scoring pussy, but now politics are gonna come in and fuck everything up.

[Teedub]

(01-21-2013 08:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 06:25 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm not looking forward to the manosphere getting attacked in the mainstream media. That is when there's going to be huge arguments between us on this side and friends/family who are utterly naive and closed minded.

I'm looking forward to it. Why?

It's not like we're holing ourselves up in Waco and piling up sandbags and automatic weapons. We're just guys that like to get laid, think for ourselves, and live for ourselves.

Instead of a bunch of religious zealots with ridiculous claims and ideas, we're men from a huge variety of backgrounds. White, black, latino, asian, indian, and yes, sigh, greek. Older dudes, younger dudes. Rich dudes, student dudes. In other words, we can't be pigeonholed.

We are entrepreneurs, students, lawyers, chefs, writers, musicians, renaissance men, blue collar, white collar.

When it comes time to face the media and speak up, we just gotta find the smartest, most rational, and most well-spoken member. It won't take very long. Given that we spend much of our time confronting and overcoming uncomfortable social situations, I don't think this will be hard. I have full faith that "game" will work on the media, much in the same way that it works on bitches and at job interviews. A rational mind, full confidence, a little bit of cockiness, and that warm, playful vibe is all that's needed. The feminists and neo-liberals will be spitting venom and hatred and they will look like fools in the public eye.

There will be no arguments. We'll stand up for who we are in the face of anger and irrationality. We'll be hated on. But a little smirk and wink to the camera is the only "argument" that we'll offer.

They'll bring this to the televised debate:


...and we'll bring this:

I'm not bothered about them, I'm bothered about the fractious effect the red-pill/blue-pill war will have on our relationships with friends and family. I've already had arguments with my family and this is only the beginning of a whole year of hit pieces we're going to have to weather.

[Teedub]

That said, that example of who'll they'll bring v our team was funny dude!

[Teedub]

(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I remember there was a thread awhile back asking if they wanted this forum to be more popular and I said I didn't.

I think you guys are starting to understand why popularity is bad for this place, it's gonna be the downfall of RVF. I just want a place where I can hang with the guys and share tips for scoring pussy, but now politics are gonna come in and fuck everything up.

Nah, like Roosh said, if fucking Stormfront is still up and running, I think we'll be alright!

[void]

Masses of new dudes will join the forum and spam noob questions and will receive equally noob answers, because all the experienced dudes will get tired of the same shit every day.
I have already seen a forum going downhill, infiltrated by female members and keyboard jockey white knights only delivering PC (spam)answers and advertising their own world view.

[Samseau]

(01-21-2013 08:11 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I remember there was a thread awhile back asking if they wanted this forum to be more popular and I said I didn't.

I think you guys are starting to understand why popularity is bad for this place, it's gonna be the downfall of RVF. I just want a place where I can hang with the guys and share tips for scoring pussy, but now politics are gonna come in and fuck everything up.

Nah, like Roosh said, if fucking Stormfront is still up and running, I think we'll be alright!

Stormfront isn't a threat. We are. Have you noticed that the manosphere is the only place in the world where men of all races can come to common agreement?

[storm]

(01-21-2013 08:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I have full faith that "game" will work on the media, much in the same way that it works on bitches and at job interviews. A rational mind, full confidence, a little bit of cockiness, and that warm, playful vibe is all that's needed. The feminists and neo-liberals will be spitting venom and hatred and they will look like fools in the public eye.

The media has a long and proud tradition of taking the blunders of complete fools and labeling exactly that as a victory.

[Veloce]

@Sam explain how it'll be the downfall of RVF? I just don't see it. Moderating will be a whole HELL of a lot more time consuming, but Roosh can just get some more mods. There's too much community here for things to drastically change. What, they're gonna assassinate us?

@Teedub no offense, but fuck your family and friends. I don't mean that personally, I mean that in a way that Red Pill men have had to accept. It's part of the Red Pill. It's part of living an honest, authentic lifestyle. It's like coming out of the closet ; your friends and family that truly love you will accept you no matter what. No arguments needed.

This might sound really douchey, but I might make it pretty big this year, I might not. I'm filming a cooking show in a couple weeks. But whatever happens, I have no intention of hiding my red pill beliefs or lifestyle, on camera or off. Look at Roosh, the guy's face is everywhere now and he's accepted being a target of some pretty vile hate. But strength in numbers; the more of us that do that the better things will be for everyone else.

I'd happily be a standard-bearer in the annual RooshV march against feminism.

[Tex Pro]

(01-21-2013 08:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:11 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I remember there was a thread awhile back asking if they wanted this forum to be more popular and I said I didn't.

I think you guys are starting to understand why popularity is bad for this place, it's gonna be the downfall of RVF. I just want a place where I can hang with the guys and share tips for scoring pussy, but now politics are gonna come in and fuck everything up.

Nah, like Roosh said, if fucking Stormfront is still up and running, I think we'll be alright!

Stormfront isn't a threat. We are. Have you noticed that the manosphere is the only place in the world where men of all races can come to common agreement?

True.

The problem is that we are hated by the Liberals and the Conservatives. The feminists/manboobs hate us because we debunk their lies. The conservatives hate us because they think we are immoral. Thus, there is no one on the political front that would stick up for us should the hammer ever come down on us.

[Teedub]

(01-21-2013 08:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:11 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I remember there was a thread awhile back asking if they wanted this forum to be more popular and I said I didn't.

I think you guys are starting to understand why popularity is bad for this place, it's gonna be the downfall of RVF. I just want a place where I can hang with the guys and share tips for scoring pussy, but now politics are gonna come in and fuck everything up.

Nah, like Roosh said, if fucking Stormfront is still up and running, I think we'll be alright!

Stormfront isn't a threat. We are. Have you noticed that the manosphere is the only place in the world where men of all races can come to common agreement?

That's a fair point. I wasn't having a go at you, just pointing it out. If the MSM want a war, lets give them one. They'll only start to unravel and expose themselves, then we'll have woken a hell of a lot of men up. Hopefully.

[Veloce]

(01-21-2013 08:15 PM)storm Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I have full faith that "game" will work on the media, much in the same way that it works on bitches and at job interviews. A rational mind, full confidence, a little bit of cockiness, and that warm, playful vibe is all that's needed. The feminists and neo-liberals will be spitting venom and hatred and they will look like fools in the public eye.

The media has a long and proud tradition of taking the blunders of complete fools and labeling exactly that as a victory.

I'm not talking blunders though, I'm talking anger vs. cool.

Cool always wins, even if cool is "wrong".

[polymath]

1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

2) Some people resent the ideas on this site. That's a good thing for the ideas, since nobody tends to make an attack on an idea unless s/he is concerned that it may be more widely adopted if not attacked. For example, you wouldn't detest and condemn someone who believes in ghosts, because that belief has no traction and is ridiculed by most.

I don't actually think the ideas on this forum are that revolutionary. People are just weaned on weakness nowadays, it seems, and anything that gives them power over their own lives makes them anxious.

Life should be a series of "what if" questions, and I would defend this forum on that basis alone because it fosters curiosity about travel, business, and life in general. If someone here says, "I want to start a company," he gets support, suggestions, and encouragement. In my experience, the rest of the world is too risk-averse to even ride out many ideas as thought experiments.

[Veloce]

(01-21-2013 08:18 PM)polymath Wrote:  

1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

2) These people resent the ideas on this site. That's a good thing for the ideas, since nobody tends to make an attack on an idea unless s/he is concerned that it may be more widely adopted if not attacked. For example, you wouldn't detest and condemn someone who believes in ghosts, because that belief has no traction and is ridiculed by most.

I don't actually think the ideas on this forum are that revolutionary. People are just weaned on weakness nowadays, it seems, and anything that gives them power over their own lives makes them anxious.

Life should be a series of "what if" questions, and I would defend this forum on that basis alone because it fosters curiosity about travel, business, and life in general. If someone here says, "I want to start a company," he gets support, suggestions, and encouragement. In my experience, the rest of the world is too risk-averse to even ride out many ideas as thought experiments.

Agree for the most part. I will say that 99% of what needs to be said about Game has been said. I think at some point that maybe that entire part of that forum should just be locked. Sort of like a very complex and well written "10 Commandments" with an appropriate FAQ for newbs and specific situations. An Encyclopedia, if you will.

The rest of it will be discussing, as you said "what if" questions, meet ups, country/venue reports, etc.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

So these leftists use pseudoscience to support their hatred of a particular group of people and they support economic policies that give the government de facto control of businesses that remain nominally in private hands, and they call us fascists. Talk about projection.

[Teedub]

(01-21-2013 08:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

@Teedub no offense, but fuck your family and friends. I don't mean that personally, I mean that in a way that Red Pill men have had to accept. It's part of the Red Pill. It's part of living an honest, authentic lifestyle. It's like coming out of the closet ; your friends and family that truly love you will accept you no matter what. No arguments needed.

Haha, first you say fuck my family, then you call me gay! Oh I'm coming for you dude haha. No innuendo or pun intended

Yeah I know what you mean, but it takes a lot of balls to go up against the entire liberal-feminist status quo and the indoctrination machine that is modern Statism.

[Roosh]

Samseau:

Change is inevitable in all systems, and any decision to freeze that system will fail. I can lock down the forum right now, and then what happens? The first year, probably nothing, but then attrition will eventually kill it. If a city doesn't have a positive population growth, it will die. This forum is a city.

One reason this forum thrives is because adjustments are made as factors change. Registration on only the 1st was one such change. Tighter moderation is another. The result? The forum continues to grow, providing more value than in the past. Will the forum be different in 3 years? Yes. Will groups try to tighten the screws on me by trying to demonize my work? Yes. But I didn't get here by being a pushover, and it's hard to shut down a guy with nothing to lose and the support of thousands.

It's impossible for any forum to remain the same. But any negative change that comes to it will because I made bad decisions in governance, not because some group scared me. Understand that systems take a life on their own. The beliefs and ideas on this forum are sucking in guys like a vacuum without advertising, mainstream breakouts in large media, or purposeful effort on my part. The forum lives and breathes on its own. My duty is to enable it to do what it wants to do instead of making artificial limitations for a doomsday scenario that likely will never come. And if it does come, we'll fight back as the strong community we've become and solve the problem as best as we can.

[rivex]

(01-21-2013 08:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

we're men from a huge variety of backgrounds. White, black, latino, asian, indian, and yes, sigh, greek. Older dudes, younger dudes. Rich dudes, student dudes. In other words, we can't be pigeonholed.

Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.


He gives props to the nazi parties here:

Golden Dawn - Greece
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/273835551365414912
http://ethniko.net/blog/greek-girls-wome...rysi-avgi/
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_%28Greece%29

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr...665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

And he links to American Renaissance on the right sidebar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Re...agazine%29

There are many more examples that make us look bad.

(01-21-2013 08:18 PM)polymath Wrote:  

1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

And the last thing the manosphere needs is an influx of nazis infiltrating and trying to recruit because they heard we are sympathetic to them. When a subculture gets tainted by them, there is no going back. For example: Skinheads. They didn't start out with that reputation but most people don't know that.

[storm]

(01-21-2013 08:18 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:15 PM)storm Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I have full faith that "game" will work on the media, much in the same way that it works on bitches and at job interviews. A rational mind, full confidence, a little bit of cockiness, and that warm, playful vibe is all that's needed. The feminists and neo-liberals will be spitting venom and hatred and they will look like fools in the public eye.

The media has a long and proud tradition of taking the blunders of complete fools and labeling exactly that as a victory.

I'm not talking blunders though, I'm talking anger vs. cool.

Cool always wins, even if cool is "wrong".

Yeah, I'm with you. In game a lot depends on the situation, and from what I hear television is run like a war room. You could walk in and charm the audience, host and still get cast the villain on TV.

But it's all thought exercises. I like RVF because of the real experience people throw down. We can only hope increased politicization will not keep guys from contributing knowledge about game and travel.

[Teedub]

(01-21-2013 08:31 PM)rivex Wrote:  

Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr...665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

Bloc, or Generation Identitaire aren't anything like Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn ARE Neo-Fascist, as in they hate Jews etc. The French ones have Jewish divisions, and are primarily anti-Islamic immigration. Just pointing it out.

[magellan]

(01-21-2013 08:31 PM)rivex Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

we're men from a huge variety of backgrounds. White, black, latino, asian, indian, and yes, sigh, greek. Older dudes, younger dudes. Rich dudes, student dudes. In other words, we can't be pigeonholed.

Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.


He gives props to the nazi parties here:

Golden Dawn - Greece
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/273835551365414912
http://ethniko.net/blog/greek-girls-wome...rysi-avgi/
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_%28Greece%29

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr...665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

And he links to American Renaissance on the right sidebar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Re...agazine%29

There are many more examples that make us look bad.

(01-21-2013 08:18 PM)polymath Wrote:  

1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

And the last thing the manosphere needs is an influx of nazis joining it because they heard we are sympathetic to them. When a subculture gets tainted by them, there is no going back. For example: Skinheads. They didn't start out with that reputation but most people don't know that.

Can someone help me understand this? I understand the idea of nationalism, but what I what I don't understand is how someone can hold onto that idea in present time and going into the future. Maybe it's because I'm American, but I've never thought of globalism as a choice. Here's how I see globalism: it's linked to advancements in technology, it's only going to get stronger, and it's here to stay.

[Teedub]

Europe has a long, long history so I think as an American it is difficult to grasp how easily nationalist feeling can arise given the right conditions.

[rivex]

(01-21-2013 08:39 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 08:31 PM)rivex Wrote:  

Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr...665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

Bloc, or Generation Identitaire aren't anything like Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn ARE Neo-Fascist, as in they hate Jews etc. The French ones have Jewish divisions, and are primarily anti-Islamic immigration. Just pointing it out.

There is a real problem with Islamic radicalism in France that is ignored by the mainstream pc establishment. Unfortunately the only ones talking about it are the far right. Generation Identitaire may not hate jews but they are loved by other nazi groups so it doesn't look good for them.

(01-21-2013 08:41 PM)magellan Wrote:  

Can someone help me understand this? I understand the idea of nationalism, but what I what I don't understand is how someone can hold onto that idea in present time and going into the future. Maybe it's because I'm American, but I've never thought of globalism as a choice. Here's how I see globalism: it's linked to advancements in technology, it's only going to get stronger, and it's here to stay.

Fascist groups like to call themselves nationalists because that doesn't sound as bad to normal people. Just like some use other symbols that sort of look like swastikas but aren't exactly the same. Plausible deniability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_sym...er_regions