[MMM]

Putting aside all the other excellent reasons not to get married, JUST DO THE MATH. Two out of every three Americans are overweight. One out of every three Americans is obese. Do you like them odds? What are the odds that the hottie you married doesn’t blimp out? See, e.g., Manosphere Exhibit A, Jessica Simpson.

I know, your girl is special. She’s not like the others. She’s the exception. What can you do in response if she does blow up? Relationship game is powerful, but Twinkies are awesome. You raise an objection to her ever increasing gut and the estrogen mafia begins chanting: “Its not her fault, having babies and age does that to you. It’s the hormones, the God-damn hormones! It’s haaaard to lose weight. Maybe you should take walks with her and support her emotionally. How can you be so insensitive? Maybe its your fault. She doesn’t have a trainer like those celebrities. The media, the media .... You men just don’t understand!”

Given these odds, I’m surprised there isn’t an insurance product to insure the financial risk. On second thought, the premiums would probably be too high to make it tenable.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm

[Merenguero]

(09-11-2012 10:10 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(09-11-2012 06:13 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 09:42 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 04:58 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

As for how to reconcile marriage and kids? For me I would have an unfenced sexual relationship with the mother and sign and legal contract that lays out financial and parental responsibilities for both of us * AND NOTHING ELSE * as a replacement for the marriage contract.

Such a contract should always assume joint responsibility.

my girl is pregnant. she is a legit 8. she comes from money. education. we're not married.

i'm considering what you've written above.

Do it.

But if you are going to do it, spend some serious $$$ right now making sure the thing is water tight legally.

Finding out later than it is not is going to be far more expensive.

interestingly, she is the one with the real financial risk. all of my assets are tied up in various LLCs that have multiple members whose shares can not be sold, encumbered or otherwise transfered. plus it was acquired previous to our relationship.

she comes from real money $50MM+ family wealth. I suspect that if there was to be a wedding, her father's lawyers would be calling me with a prenup. as her money will be coming as she turns 27 this year...

In the jurisdiction in which I practice, marital property is property, however titled, acquired by one or both of the spouses during the marriage. It is not property which was acquired prior to the marriage, property acquired by gift or inheritance from a third party, property excluded by a valid agreement, or property directly traceable to any of those sources.

One thing people often overlook is there is such a thing as a marital increase to non-marital property. This is often present when one of the spouses starts a business prior to the marriage and the value of the business increases, often drastically, during the marriage. In that case, the non-asset spouse, the spouse who did not start the business prior to the marriage, can claim part of the value of the business if the value of the business increased due to marital effort. You say that your assets are tied up in LLCs. I imagine that these LLCs are businesses which you have started with partners and which you plan on continuing to operate during the marriage. A valid pre-nup may protect you from any claim which she may have to any marital increase in the value of the LLCs. I realize that you have partners, but ownership interest of each respective partner is often easy to determine, especially if stock has been issued.

Any money she receives from her family should be non-marital, even if she receives it during the marriage. Also, I realize that the shares in the LLCs are non-marital, absent any marital increase, but don't think that a court cannot grant a monetary award based on shares of a company which are not practicable to sell. The way a monetary award works is that a joint property statement is prepared listing the value of property owned by each party in addition to property jointly held. At the end of the statement, the total value of assets in the name of each party is listed and a monetary award can be granted to one party to balance the inequities. For example, if there is a total of $100,000 in marital property all in the husband's name, it would be equitable to grant a monetary award in the amount of $50,000 against the husband and in favor of the wife. If the husband owns 25% of the total shares in an LLC worth $1,000,000, all of which are martial, the husband would have $250,000 in his column, which would justify a monetary award to the wife in the amount of $125,000. There would be no need to sell the shares. The husband could and probably would have a judgment in the amount of $125,000 entered against him. There are various problems associated with the valuation of a business and in my experience such a valuation does not usually happen, due to the time, expense, and lack of information, especially for the non-asset spouse.

Even with a valid pre-nup, you can still have property issues down the road if you acquire property with her during the marriage and the property is jointly titled. Someone has to make a decision regarding the value and distribution of jointly-held property, regardless of whether other property is excluded by a valid agreement.

[reaper23]

excellent post, thanks.

I had not considered the marital increase to non-marital assets. That is something I should take into account in any prenup.

Interesting as well, that anything she receives via inheritance is automatically protected?

What if "we" use proceeds from an inheritance to jointly purchase an asset? Would the marital increase of her portion of the marital asset be protected and thus basically make it a zero in the ledger for her?

finally, I realize that assets held by multi member LLC with provisions that prohibit sale, encumberment (is that a word?) or transfer are not absolute protection but they are at least a few levels of effort away and offer a some protection from creditors or those holding judgments. not absolute, but increased protection for sure.

[reaper23]

oh, and what if she gets say, $5MM in assets via inheritance or trust transfer or something. any increase on those assets are marital then, right? so if she gets $5MM and it grows 10% to $5.5MM, $250k of that is mine all mine right?

or that is the part that her dad is gonna wanna prenup away

[SnakeEyes]

(09-11-2012 08:55 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

excellent post, thanks.

I had not considered the marital increase to non-marital assets. That is something I should take into account in any prenup.

Interesting as well, that anything she receives via inheritance is automatically protected?

What if "we" use proceeds from an inheritance to jointly purchase an asset? Would the marital increase of her portion of the marital asset be protected and thus basically make it a zero in the ledger for her?

finally, I realize that assets held by multi member LLC with provisions that prohibit sale, encumberment (is that a word?) or transfer are not absolute protection but they are at least a few levels of effort away and offer a some protection from creditors or those holding judgments. not absolute, but increased protection for sure.

I'm not a lawyer but I play one on the Internet. Think of it this way. If a multi-millionaire basketball star can have his nba retirement taken away (linked by roosh) do you really think having your business in an LLC protects you? It doesn't. You own the shares of the LLC. That's all that matters.

You should honestly start looking at legal cases online regarding the division of marital assets and businesses. A google search and a single night will open your eyes. There is incredible leeway provided to judges regarding division of marital assets

[SnakeEyes]

(09-11-2012 08:59 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

oh, and what if she gets say, $5MM in assets via inheritance or trust transfer or something. any increase on those assets are marital then, right? so if she gets $5MM and it grows 10% to $5.5MM, $250k of that is mine all mine right?

or that is the part that her dad is gonna wanna prenup away

I know child support rules so I'll tell you those. Inheritances kept in her name will be hers. However, if I received an inheritance, the gain is not considered income for child support. But, the income derived from it is. This has been tested in multiple California court cases.

[Merenguero]

(09-11-2012 08:55 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

excellent post, thanks.

I had not considered the marital increase to non-marital assets. That is something I should take into account in any prenup.

Interesting as well, that anything she receives via inheritance is automatically protected?

What if "we" use proceeds from an inheritance to jointly purchase an asset? Would the marital increase of her portion of the marital asset be protected and thus basically make it a zero in the ledger for her?

finally, I realize that assets held by multi member LLC with provisions that prohibit sale, encumberment (is that a word?) or transfer are not absolute protection but they are at least a few levels of effort away and offer a some protection from creditors or those holding judgments. not absolute, but increased protection for sure.

Get a lawyer. Make sure it is not a lawyer who is recommended by the lawyer of your girlfriend/fiance. Every pre-nup I have ever seen specifically states that both parties were either represented by counsel or that both parties were advised of their right to be represented by counsel and have decided to proceed pro se (representing himself or herself). If you decide to negotiate the pre-nup yourself, you will have an extremely difficult time if you try to argue down the road that the pre-nup is invalid because you were not represented by counsel and that the agreement itself is unconscionable. Having even a top-notch lawyer review and negotiate a pre-nup for you should not break the bank.

I know what I am talking about with regard to divorce law in one and only one jurisdiction of the United States. There are still 49 other states in addition to Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and everyone's favorite, Washington, D.C. Divorce laws are state law and vary at least somewhat from state to state. I do know that California's divorce laws for example contain community property concepts which do not exist in many other jurisdictions.

Snakeyes' comments to the effect that putting your assets in an LLC and that a judge has leeway with regard to the distribution of property are true. As I discussed in a previous post, even if a judge is not inclined to order a sale of an LLC, part of the value of the LLC can still be considered marital property and a judge can order a monetary award based on your interest in the LLC. Language which prohibits sale and/or encumberance does not in and of itself protect that asset. I realize that in your case your interest in the LLC is non-marital, but there is a possibility that there can in the future be a marital increase to your interest in the LLCs which are non-marital. The best you can do is probably to make sure the pre-nup protects your interest in the LLCs and that the agreement covers any possible future marital increase to the extent possible. With regard to the leeway afforded to judges in property distribution, many jurisdictions are "equitable distribution" jurisdictions meaning property does not necessarily have to be divided equally. The judges in those jurisdictions have broad discretion to divide the property in an equitable manner. In many cases, equitable distribution does not amount to an equal or a 50/50 distribution.

(09-11-2012 08:59 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

oh, and what if she gets say, $5MM in assets via inheritance or trust transfer or something. any increase on those assets are marital then, right? so if she gets $5MM and it grows 10% to $5.5MM, $250k of that is mine all mine right?

or that is the part that her dad is gonna wanna prenup away

The marital increase is often applicable to business property. I will give you an example. I have never been married. I therefore started my law practice when I was single. Let's say tomorrow I have a complete lapse of judgment. Let's say that I decide that my game and physical attributes are so deficient that I come to the realization that I have absolutely no chance of ever dating another attractive girl in Medellin, Miami, the Jersey Shore, or California. I therefore have no other alternative than to marry a 250 pound landwhale in D.C. (or Toronto for that matter. Either one of the two will suffice). Let's say that she is a homemaker and later a stay-at-home mom who takes care of all the household needs, arranges for any repairs and maintenance to be done on the house, cooks, cleans, and takes care of the kids (I know this is a huge stretch, but go with me on this). Let's say that after the marriage, my law practice becomes much more successful than it was before the marriage. The idea is that my effort during the marriage in working in the law practice and my wife's effort in taking care of everything in and around the home, enabling me to concentrate on my practice, were both huge factors in the increase of the value of the business. She should therefore be entitled to the increased value of the business which occurred during the marriage. A valid pre-nup may, however, keep her from claiming even the marital increase.

Now, it appears that your girlfriend/fiance will try to have the five million dollars which she will be receiving from her family excluded by a pre-nup. Even if this money were not covered by a pre-nup, a marital increase earned while this money was sitting in an account may very well be distinct from a marital increase to a business such as that which is described above. I believe it would be more difficult to obtain a marital increase which is a passive increase such as that which occurs without substantial marital effort than that which occurs through the marital effort of both parties. Valid pre-nups can make it even more difficult.

Another issue may arise if you decide to purchase assets such as real property with the money she will be receiving. Let's say you buy a house with money which is non-marital both because it is both a gift/inheritance and it is excluded by a valid pre-nup. Let's also say that this property is titled in both of your names. In some jurisdictions, the court cannot and will not transfer title from one party to the other. The property may be non-marital, but in order to transfer to her name only, she would have to pay you some money. It may sound strange, but I've seen it happen.

[Samseau]

From https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/...ent-373596


Embrace the Change


bt Mark Minter



You are all crying and bitching and wanting to set back the clock and you need to get the fuck over it.

Better that government is married to bitches than you. Let me go through this logic for you real fucking slow so that you all can start to get it.

Being married is a stupid life for a man. Actually being a father is a also stupid life for a man the way it is done in America today. You do the most stupid and mind numbing shit in both of those roles. There are better ways to spend your life than as a husband and a father in 2012 America. Being a married father is an insipid, mind numbing, idiotic existence. You are a slave.

You live in a rigid schedule with a bitch that is never happy, that never has enough, is never satisfied, that is a cunt and a fucking idiot. She gets fat. She dresses like a man. Sex with her is a drag monotonous drag boring drag stupid drag. You have never ending stress and financial pressure and you must compromise your very soul in order to bring home the money that parasitic bitch and children demand from you. And they could not give a fuck about you. Everything is oriented towards her and them. Nothing is oriented towards you. Women have acres and acres of products for them and their children. Men have a aisle of shit over in the corner of stores.

Given the way women are, and the way most of you are, your odds of being in a marriage forever and not getting a divorce is about zilch.point.shit. 0.0000%. Enough zeros? Any of you that are married are probably on the way to divorce if you are not divorced already. Any of you that do get married surely will be divorced.

A man must avoid marriage, whether you are alpha as fuck or beta as a hell.

If you are an alpha then marriage is perfect waste of what you are. All alphas, real alphas, chafe under the yoke of marriage. They cannot be monogamous and why should they be? And, once you say “I do”, then you begin a slow march towards to loss of alpha qualities. If you think you can read Athol Kay and avoid this, you are kidding yourself.

If you are beta, then you will get fucked over in a marriage. Unless you earn in the top 20% of income, or in reality, the top 10% and your wife is not so attractive that she doesn’t has men throwing offers at her, then you will most likely get shafted. This outcome is one of the most written about topics in the Red Pill blogs.

Men must learn game. What is so fucking hard about this idea? Men need to accept that the way the world is and the way it is going makes learning Game the most important skill that any man can have, more than calculus, than computer skills, than knowledge of tools. Game. Get it? Game. The reason for game is more than pick up lines, it is about avoiding OneItis. Game is a lifestyle that will save your ass and save you needless slavery and pain.

Things are going to get worse in the future. Nothing can set back the clock. Women will get bitchier. Women will get fatter. In 30 years, 50% of women will be fucking obese. Not fat. OfuckingBese beasts. What few women that are attractive are going to get even shittier, flakier, bitchier, more choice addicted, bigger attention whores than even today. To fuck any of them you will have to have game. They will be besieged by hordes of men from 16 to 60.

This reality of the social and sexual power that single women have is trickling down through women to girls. Yesterday there was a big press release about the drop in teen pregnancy, as well as a drop in every other age bracket other than bitches that are running up against the wall., 35+ Analysts were surprised that even teen pregnancy dropped. They rationalized that the other drops in births in age brackets other than teens were due to economic reasons, but teen pregnancy is by accident and inadvertent. But for whatever reason, teen girls are going to lengths to insure they don’t get pregnant and fuck up the next 20 years of being “Classy and Fabulous” and short circuiting the brilliant career of attention whoring in front of them. They are getting a clue of the power of that pussy. The word is passing down that there is a real up side to being an attention whore. And having a baby is the biggest downer in that possibility more than any other factor.

There is chemical tendency in your fucking male body towards development of dopamine when you fuck a woman. She is like heroin and she will addict you and give you OneItis. This is another of the big Red Pill tenets, maybe the most important of all of them. The scarcity model creates OneItis in you.

The only way to vaccinate yourself from OneItis is FourItis.

If you have 4 women in a soft harem and you are spinning plates then you can walk away from a women when she tries to put that choke hold on you and drag you into the slavery of marriage.

Any plain looking woman with a pussy that isn’t an obese pig or over 45 is going to be able to throw her husband away and have some other guy there ready to jump right in there. Your wife is going have men sabotaging you at work, at the gym, anywhere she goes. No matter how much Athol Kay you read, eventually all this back-stabbing and offers from other men and women is going to take its toll. You will get divorce raped if you are stupid enough to marry.

You cannot marry. You have to spin plates.

It will be enormously easier to have bitches to spin as plates if all of them are not married. It is better for you if every fucking woman is single and is a slut than it would be if almost all were married. It will be so much easier for you to spin plates if there are plates to be spun. Even if that women sits home 29 nights a month, that 1 night that she steps out to shake that ass, then she is looking for dick and the motherfucker with game is the one that is going to be the one she chooses.

You cannot worry about “society” or “the economy” or “the future” or “the deficit” or the “growth of entitlements”.

You need to worry about you. You. You. Fuck everything else. Fuck tomorrow. Fuck the deficit. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the economy. Do what is best for you. And appreciate that by letting those bitches get what they want from government and not marrying, then that works in your favor, you, your favor, you, the typical reader of this blog.

Go back to the original narrative about where “Alpha” came from, the Toba eruption that lead to 1000 years of Arctic winter and the number of bonding pairs reduced to less than 1000 over the whole world. Alpha had the Dark Triad of personality traits and this enabled him to survive, to get through, and women went with him because he was a survivor.

You have to have that same selfish self-interest. You can’t worry about what’s best for kids, or bankers, or job growth, or household formation, or any of that shit. Worry about you.

You cannot worry about the deficit or free markets or any economic shit that might come about because more and more benefits are given out to women in substitution of husbands. It won’t fall apart today and when it does fall apart you will be dead. If you are truly as narcissistic and as Machiavellian as you should be then you should not use any other filter than is a thing good for you. Feminism is good for you. It is freeing you from the stupidity of being some bitch’s husband. You get to live as a free man. It allows women to stay single so you can fuck them. Whatever negatives it has brought into society is trivial compared to the benefit of you not marrying anymore.

You need to be happy that it is happening. Even if it raises your taxes by 10%, or even 20%, it is still better than being married. If you marry, that bitch will take 80% from you while you are married and then take 40% in child support when she divorces you. If you marry, you are a slave.

It is said that marriage is the last resort of a bachelor. It is also said that a man marries because he is tired. Tired of dating. Tired of the bullshit the AFC goes through.

Think back to 1985. When a man got to be 28 and just entering into his peak in SMV then he starts receiving “Marriage signals”. His friends start dropping off into marriage, one at a time. Women that he is with start pressuring him. They would dump him if he didn’t agree to commit to marriage. When a guy was 35 and wasn’t married then he was effectively alone in a world of married people.

It’s not that way anymore.

Dalrock is adamant that women are the ones eschewing marriage and not men. So every woman that decides not to marry, then that is one more man that gets to live free, free of the financial tyranny, free of the emotional bullshit, free of the monotony and the boredom, free of the abuse that women heap on men during marriage.

The more men that are single then that begins to create market opportunities for men, more things that single men like, more clubs, more video games, more topless bars, more cars and products designed specifically for men, more housing options for single men. Options That are intended for only Single men and not married men that are making decisions with the filter of having a wife and family as the determining factor in their decisions.

I’ll give a very stretched connection. I have no data to support it other Event A happened and Event B happened. But I feel they are related.

The number of women that have the US government census status of “Never Been Married” has increased by 33% since 2000. 48% of women 25-30 have this status today, an increase of 16 percentage points since 2000 from 32% to 48%. For every one of those women that are not married, there is a man that is not married. So that means that the number of men that have “Never Been Married” has increased also. They are referred to as the Puearchy. It has grown considerably and is attracting the attention of pundits with this “Man Up” shaming bullshit.

Now, look at the growth in the amount of college football today compared to 2000. There is much more. Look at the size of the TV contracts that have recently been signed. Do you fucking think married men are sitting around watching college football all day on Saturday? No, those guys are being dragged around malls, kids sports and kids social events. But if you are single, this development is a fucking bonanza for you.

I read an article the other on how new Marketing strategies are emerging to actually tap this emerging market. Prior advertising oriented to men had some shaming factor in it. You should buy life insurance so your wife can have money when you die. You should buy our tires to keep from killing your kids. You should drink our beer, wear our clothes, our cologne so that women will want you. Some advertising is now actually appealing to motives that their product directly benefits you, the single man.

More unmarried men means a better life and more options for unmarried men. Real choices that are for you and not choices that you would make in sacrifice for some woman and her children. More of your friends stay unmarried. You have more options now.

So to sum, marriage is not for you, you, particularly, as a reader of this blog. You need to spin plates. You need women to avoid marriage because government allows them to feel the sense of security that they need to stay single. You want more men to be single and not get married so you have better and more market opportunities available that are designed for you, the single man. You want more women to be single and to be sluts. Because the more single women sluts there are, then more options for plate spinning that you have available to you. The more plates you spin, the less susceptible to Oneitis you are, and the more you avoid marriage. If you don’t marry then the effects of feminism, of divorce rape, of custody battles will have less effect on you. If there are more available single sluts then you get more pussy. It is in your benefit if no woman ever ever wants to marry ever again.

You need to embrace feminism and stop throwing rocks at it. OK, changes have occurred. I have been run over by many of them as much as anybody. Work in corporations suck now. They have fucked up a lot of shit for men. But the big picture is that they are freeing men from a truly stupid life and allowing them to live free in a meaningful form.

I don’t have to work a soul busting corporate job anymore to pay for some bitch that took 80% of the money that I made to spend on horseshit. I don’t have to sit in a fucking cube anymore surrounded by dweebs. I don’t have to sit in boring meetings and listen to bitches drone on. I do what I want. I eat what I want. I go where I want. I travel where I want. I work or don’t work when I want. I am now less lonely than I was because she went to sleep early and I was down in the living room watching the fucking stupid History Channel or reading one of 1000 books I read while I was married. I don’t have anyone looking over my shoulder at what I do, what I spend, where I go, who I talk to. I don’t have anyone whipping me, abusing me, screaming at me, manipulating me to do what she wants me to do.

Because of feminism, I am fucking free. I am no longer a husband living that boring stupid life, and I no longer have to work in a stupid corporation to get the money to pay for the life that bitch constructed. I am no longer a slave.

The reality is Women’s Liberation means Men’s Liberation. Let them go their fucking way. Let them be single moms. Let them work the stupid jobs that this economy is producing in those Femcentric companies.

Better Obama is their husband than me. And you. The monetary price you would pay is worth the freedom that you will get.

Stop fighting it and see it for what it is.

[Brosemite]

Thanks for that latest post Samseau. Yeah I agree with the Embrace the Change as it is best we use feminism to our advantages in today's society. It's exactly why I'm single instead of married/in a relationship around my late 20's, while others are:

1) working on kid#2 at age 27/28,
2) settling into a mortgage they can barely afford that in turn really limits your career options long run
3) having entry level jobs with no career path
4) spending all their limited vacation time on expensive out of town weddings that are friends of your girlfriend as she'll pressure you into collectively going into that route so she can be the center of attention for a limited time
5) oh and spending 6-7K for 4 a four day honeymoon on a culture-less British Virgin Isles with the same monogamous sex instead of shelling out exponentially less on a beach destination with hot single women looking for random action.

[deepcov3r]

(11-18-2012 04:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

From https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/...ent-373596


Embrace the Change


bt Mark Minter

You are all crying and bitching and wanting to set back the clock and you need to get the fuck over it.
The reality is Women’s Liberation means Men’s Liberation. Let them go their fucking way. Let them be single moms. Let them work the stupid jobs that this economy is producing in those Femcentric companies.

Better Obama is their husband than me. And you. The monetary price you would pay is worth the freedom that you will get.

Stop fighting it and see it for what it is.

Sounds a little too much like how women say "I'm happy with my cats, damn it! I AM GODDAM HAPPY WITH MY CATS!!!" although I definitely am with him on protecting yourself financially.

I've noticed a lot of people with kids tell YOU not to have kids. a little suspect..... "do as I say, not as I do. "

[Icarus]

(11-19-2012 03:48 AM)deepcov3r Wrote:  

Sounds a little too much like how women say "I'm happy with my cats, damn it! I AM GODDAM HAPPY WITH MY CATS!!!"

Like their female counterparts, the male omegas need to hamsterbate, too. Life is too hard otherwise...

Yes, marriage in America is fucked up, like everything else in American society. But there are other countries in this world. Marriage-related disenchantment stems from unrealistic expectations. If a man marries a woman for the right reasons (e.g., she has good genes, good health, good values, money, ability to birth children and be a good mother), then marriage is wonderful. What fucks up marriage? Unrealistic expectations such as:

• marrying because one's in love: sorry, but marriage is about parenting and property. People marry people of similar means and values. The caste system never truly went away.
  

• marrying because one's horny: sorry, but marriage is about parenting and property. If you're horny, get a mistress. Fall in love with her, fall out of love. Get a new mistress. Rinse and repeat. Be discreet about such infidelity. Do not bring shame to your family.
  

• marrying because one's lonely: echoing Gordon Gekko, get a dog. A woman can never be a true friend. A woman is a baby-factory, a sex-provider, or the mother of your children. If you desperately need companionship, get housemates.
  

This is how things used to work: marriage is business, love is leisure. Mixing the two is unprofessional.

(11-19-2012 03:48 AM)deepcov3r Wrote:  

I've noticed a lot of people with kids tell YOU not to have kids. a little suspect..... "do as I say, not as I do. "

It's much worse than suspect. It's saying: "I wanted kids, but then I had you, and I now realize that you're not worth the sacrifice." And people wonder why kids hate their parents!!

[BadWolf]

whomever wrote this article is an ass and for the million men supporting this bullsh1t, fvck you.

Let me tell you something, if you marry an americanized, american cultured/educated woman you deserve everything you get. The current american culture is based soley on the individual... its like the post 90's generation here...same thing... and trust me it gets worse when there is noone to look out for the children.

I read an article about a guy here the other day that was banging a LOW QUALITY DRAMA QUEEN without a condom, gets her pregnant, goes through all the stuff to lose the baby, then goes back to banging her. This is all of you. You people continue to fvck feminazi born b1tches who treat you like sh1t and you have to use game on. this will be your future. You think you can cheat the system by using condoms or running away but eventually that sh1t will all catch up to you and then you will really and truly be fvcked. Being alone on your deathbed, it sucks, take it from a guy who has been there. Not one of those one night bangs is going to come looking for you and when it boils down to it, your friends have their own lives and really don't give a rats ass about you. The only person that is going to be by your side, taking care of you, will be your wife and child.

Asian born in asia, born to a piss poor rice paddy family, born without a father and clawed her way into the middle class. Virgin till I met her, expects that I would marry her, and yeah I did. Had no problem doing it either, didn't even question it, this is a girl who has saved my ass a few times out here and hauled me into the hospital when I would have died. Used her own money to get me treatment cause I couldn't reach my wallet. She makes on average 200 bucks a month if shes really lucky.
I've never used game on her, never needed to. The relationship just works as if she was supposed to be here my whole life.

Anybody want to call me a pussy, come down here and I'll be happy to show you lots of happily married laowais. I'm damn proud of my wife, she has a great character and follows me around 24/7. She's currently carrying my baby, abortion/birth control never crossed my mind.

Maybe you should come out of that garbage dump you call a country and meet some decent women. Not all women are out for themselves, alot of girls here will go and suicide if they catch you cheating on them. Devoted and loyal, if the sex declines after awhile, who fucking cares... get a hobby. I'd rather be in a stable relationship, have kids with a devoted mother that is much more DEVOTED TO MY CHILDREN than to me. That is a natural instinct...something it seems like the north american male is losing. I've heard alot of this anti-monogomous relationship stuff... I have to say I'm not in any way interested in gaming multiple women. I've already lived through a terminal disease and know what the hell my priorities are in life. They are NOT a house, car, millions in the bank or travel around the world. When you go terminal and accept it, all you can think of is passing on your DNA to a future generation. A bunch of one nighters do not suffice.

I swear to god american peter pans are the most narcassicistic bastards I've ever met on the planet.


BTW my wedding cost me $1.50

We have no rings.

Ban me if you want, I honestly don't care but I'm not going to join the yes man chorus.

Should read: Marriage isn't for pussies.

[Prophylaxis]

[Nomad77]

@BadWolf Marriage is like any other kind of relationship: with the right person it can be great with the wrong person a nightmare. With that said, I have had all different kinds of relationships including marriage. And out of all of them, there is nothing like the magic of being in a relationship with a woman and child when you have a good connection and chemistry with both of them. It's like the most amazing three-some you will ever have and I've had a few.

Naturally, it's a lot easier for any relationship to work when the woman is very devoted to it. And as you have pointed out, most Asian women are.

[Screwston]

(11-20-2012 03:09 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

whomever wrote this article is an ass and for the million men supporting this bullsh1t, fvck you.

Let me tell you something, if you marry an americanized, american cultured/educated woman you deserve everything you get. The current american culture is based soley on the individual... its like the post 90's generation here...same thing... and trust me it gets worse when there is noone to look out for the children.

I read an article about a guy here the other day that was banging a LOW QUALITY DRAMA QUEEN without a condom, gets her pregnant, goes through all the stuff to lose the baby, then goes back to banging her. This is all of you. You people continue to fvck feminazi born b1tches who treat you like sh1t and you have to use game on. this will be your future. You think you can cheat the system by using condoms or running away but eventually that sh1t will all catch up to you and then you will really and truly be fvcked. Being alone on your deathbed, it sucks, take it from a guy who has been there. Not one of those one night bangs is going to come looking for you and when it boils down to it, your friends have their own lives and really don't give a rats ass about you. The only person that is going to be by your side, taking care of you, will be your wife and child.

Asian born in asia, born to a piss poor rice paddy family, born without a father and clawed her way into the middle class. Virgin till I met her, expects that I would marry her, and yeah I did. Had no problem doing it either, didn't even question it, this is a girl who has saved my ass a few times out here and hauled me into the hospital when I would have died. Used her own money to get me treatment cause I couldn't reach my wallet. She makes on average 200 bucks a month if shes really lucky.
I've never used game on her, never needed to. The relationship just works as if she was supposed to be here my whole life.

Anybody want to call me a pussy, come down here and I'll be happy to show you lots of happily married laowais. I'm damn proud of my wife, she has a great character and follows me around 24/7. She's currently carrying my baby, abortion/birth control never crossed my mind.

Maybe you should come out of that garbage dump you call a country and meet some decent women. Not all women are out for themselves, alot of girls here will go and suicide if they catch you cheating on them. Devoted and loyal, if the sex declines after awhile, who fucking cares... get a hobby. I'd rather be in a stable relationship, have kids with a devoted mother that is much more DEVOTED TO MY CHILDREN than to me. That is a natural instinct...something it seems like the north american male is losing. I've heard alot of this anti-monogomous relationship stuff... I have to say I'm not in any way interested in gaming multiple women. I've already lived through a terminal disease and know what the hell my priorities are in life. They are NOT a house, car, millions in the bank or travel around the world. When you go terminal and accept it, all you can think of is passing on your DNA to a future generation. A bunch of one nighters do not suffice.

I swear to god american peter pans are the most narcassicistic bastards I've ever met on the planet.


BTW my wedding cost me $1.50

We have no rings.

Ban me if you want, I honestly don't care but I'm not going to join the yes man chorus.

Should read: Marriage isn't for pussies.

[Excelsior]

[insert popcorn gif here]

On a serious note, I don't agree with everything BadWolf wrote up there, but I actually do see his point. He's right to say that when it comes to marriage, there is a very large variation in its value and utility by culture and location, just as we all know the nature of the women we meet can vary from place to place. Good marriages still exist, but they're much harder to find here in the west.

If you can escape the western paradigm and find that version of marriage elsewhere, then that's a good call if you really do want to be married. As I said earlier in this thread, we have a tendency on this board to underestimate the cultural context of marriage a bit. It certainly can suck here with a certain kind of woman, but here is not everywhere and that woman is not all women.

Alright, I've said my piece. I'll let others weigh in.

[Nomad77]

You bash my post about Ms. Swift but here you have written a perfectly on point reply that I would have to concur with wholeheartedly. Good to see

(11-20-2012 03:52 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

[insert popcorn gif here]

On a serious note, I don't agree with everything BadWolf wrote up there, but I actually do see his point. He's right to say that when it comes to marriage, there is a very large variation in its value and utility by culture and location, just as we all know the nature of the women we meet can vary from place to place. Good marriages still exist, but they're much harder to find here in the west.

If you can escape the western paradigm and find that version of marriage elsewhere, then that's a good call if you really do want to be married. As I said earlier in this thread, we have a tendency on this board to underestimate the cultural context of marriage a bit. It certainly can suck here with a certain kind of woman, but here is not everywhere and that woman is not all women.

Alright, I've said my piece. I'll let others weigh in.

[garygroundwork]

(11-20-2012 03:09 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

whomever wrote this article is an ass and for the million men supporting this bullsh1t, fvck you.

Let me tell you something, if you marry an americanized, american cultured/educated woman you deserve everything you get. The current american culture is based soley on the individual... its like the post 90's generation here...same thing... and trust me it gets worse when there is noone to look out for the children.

I read an article about a guy here the other day that was banging a LOW QUALITY DRAMA QUEEN without a condom, gets her pregnant, goes through all the stuff to lose the baby, then goes back to banging her. This is all of you. You people continue to fvck feminazi born b1tches who treat you like sh1t and you have to use game on. this will be your future. You think you can cheat the system by using condoms or running away but eventually that sh1t will all catch up to you and then you will really and truly be fvcked. Being alone on your deathbed, it sucks, take it from a guy who has been there. Not one of those one night bangs is going to come looking for you and when it boils down to it, your friends have their own lives and really don't give a rats ass about you. The only person that is going to be by your side, taking care of you, will be your wife and child.

Asian born in asia, born to a piss poor rice paddy family, born without a father and clawed her way into the middle class. Virgin till I met her, expects that I would marry her, and yeah I did. Had no problem doing it either, didn't even question it, this is a girl who has saved my ass a few times out here and hauled me into the hospital when I would have died. Used her own money to get me treatment cause I couldn't reach my wallet. She makes on average 200 bucks a month if shes really lucky.
I've never used game on her, never needed to. The relationship just works as if she was supposed to be here my whole life.

Anybody want to call me a pussy, come down here and I'll be happy to show you lots of happily married laowais. I'm damn proud of my wife, she has a great character and follows me around 24/7. She's currently carrying my baby, abortion/birth control never crossed my mind.

Maybe you should come out of that garbage dump you call a country and meet some decent women. Not all women are out for themselves, alot of girls here will go and suicide if they catch you cheating on them. Devoted and loyal, if the sex declines after awhile, who fucking cares... get a hobby. I'd rather be in a stable relationship, have kids with a devoted mother that is much more DEVOTED TO MY CHILDREN than to me. That is a natural instinct...something it seems like the north american male is losing. I've heard alot of this anti-monogomous relationship stuff... I have to say I'm not in any way interested in gaming multiple women. I've already lived through a terminal disease and know what the hell my priorities are in life. They are NOT a house, car, millions in the bank or travel around the world. When you go terminal and accept it, all you can think of is passing on your DNA to a future generation. A bunch of one nighters do not suffice.

I swear to god american peter pans are the most narcassicistic bastards I've ever met on the planet.


BTW my wedding cost me $1.50

We have no rings.

Ban me if you want, I honestly don't care but I'm not going to join the yes man chorus.

Should read: Marriage isn't for pussies.

good insight...a different perspective + 1

[SelfPaid]

I don't think Marriage is for Pussies.
It's just that a lot of Pussies have no other option instead of Marriage, but that doesn't mean it's for Pussies.

I know a few Alphas who have are Married some have there Mistress on the Side, some are Wealthy enough to not have to care about child support they just divorce and get a younger Girl.

I don't want to Marry but that has nothing to do with me being Alpha, Beta, Omega ore even Delta ore what ever.

[Samseau]

Badwolf:

Not sure who you're talking to, as it's pretty obvious that Minter is writing from an American perspective about American women.

Notice how he specifically refers to American divorce laws, American divorce statistics, etc.

[Giovonny]

Most players will eventually settle down. As they get older, they start to get lonely, they crave intimacy with a woman. I think its something we all need at certain times in our lives. Going through your whole adult life without experiencing intimacy with a woman. That would be a sad life in my opinion.

Most of us will eventually settle down. Few men are wired to be lifetime players.

[jordypip23]

Isn't marriage better for the man that wishes to procreate? What do you guys think?

[Captain Ahab]

This is by far the most entertaining discussion I have ever read on this message board.

[RASER]

I think you should just lease a wife, after 3 years hand it back and get a newie...

Thoughts, discuss:

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

[Excelsior]

(11-20-2012 07:32 PM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

Isn't marriage better for the man that wishes to procreate? What do you guys think?

In the USA? No.

Elsewhere, perhaps. Location/culture will dictate the answer to that question.