[temujin]

I'm thinking a pop-up style (insert something cool) with a wine bar + DJ spinning tunes would be ideal, open from April to October.

The only thing that would suck would be eating all the costs in the winter months when you'd still get local girls coming to party, but will probably have to forget about making any kind of profit. In fact, I think you could expect to eat the costs for a while until it gets 'established'.

I think Chisinau is a decent option but I find the women straight-up more attractive when you head North from Moldova, so it's not an easy choice.

[Spartan]

(08-05-2012 03:51 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 11:23 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 05:45 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Of the places I have been in the world the one place that stands out for me that ticked every box was second tier European Russia. I've never had as much fun and excitement as I had on my trip to the European wild's of Russia.

Sounds interesting. I've visited Moldova, Ukraine, and Belarus....it seems that being a Westerner offers no paradise. Looks like tier 2 Russia is my next stop. Perhaps in the winter )

Having spent so much time studying Russian, it'd be a shame not to visit Russia!

If you can't get laid in Ukraine and Moldova then what hope do you have in Russia?. Being a westerner on its own its not enough.

I did get laid....just now.
I'm not saying its impossible, just not as easy as hyped up, and itd often described incorrectly. For example, many girls dislike foreigners instead of them being a magnet

[lotharius]

Yes well there is no paradise for all, not even the Philippines/Thailand

[ManAbout]

(08-05-2012 06:17 AM)temujin Wrote:  

The only question is, is Budapest really the place for this type of venture to reap the maximum rewards?

I'm thinking you'd make more of a splash in a smaller, lesser trafficked town, like Krakow, Wroclaw, Poznan, Vilnius, Cluj Napoca, Brno, Chisinau, or Tallinn.

Why not do this in a beach town where there's a constant traffc of women from these countries? Somewhere in Turkey? Goa during the winter? Bulgaria?

[temujin]

(08-05-2012 11:44 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 06:17 AM)temujin Wrote:  

The only question is, is Budapest really the place for this type of venture to reap the maximum rewards?

I'm thinking you'd make more of a splash in a smaller, lesser trafficked town, like Krakow, Wroclaw, Poznan, Vilnius, Cluj Napoca, Brno, Chisinau, or Tallinn.

Why not do this in a beach town where there's a constant traffc of women from these countries? Somewhere in Turkey? Goa during the winter? Bulgaria?

You'd miss out on long-term, regular FB relationships that way. I'm not sure I'd be down with that.

The positive would be better food and weather in a place like Turkey I suppose.

How about a place that opens April to October in a Post-Soviet Pussy Hotspot, and then closes, moves to Turkey from November to March, and sends enticing invitations for women to come visit and party?

[ManAbout]

(08-05-2012 12:34 PM)temujin Wrote:  

You'd miss out on long-term, regular FB relationships that way. I'm not sure I'd be down with that.

Not necessarily. A lot of them stay long term. I know this is the case in Goa. There are entire beaches which are Russian, and many of the beachside houses are rented out to them. I have met girls that stay from October to March and then they move on to European hotspots like Ibiza etc.

(08-05-2012 12:34 PM)temujin Wrote:  

How about a place that opens April to October in a Post-Soviet Pussy Hotspot, and then closes, moves to Turkey from November to March, and sends enticing invitations for women to come visit and party?

It won't work for Turkey because it's a summer destination. It's still warm in the winter. But, not beach weather. If you have to do it, it would be the other way around.

[lotharius]

(08-05-2012 11:30 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

Yes well there is no paradise for all, not even the Philippines/Thailand

Also the only girls that don't like foreigners are the brainwashed nationalist peasants. What's not to like about a foreigner? He often has more cash/options and does not look like an FSU monkey

[LostGringo]

(08-05-2012 05:37 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 06:29 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

Relatively easy to engineer I would say,if you have an adventurous spirit. I used to run a bookshop ( sold it last year ) and not only do you get lots of female customers coming in you also get inundated with offers by young girls who like the idea of working in as bookshop. From there it is easy.

Lets consider the option of doing that in say Budapest:

You'd want there to be two or three partners in the project to spread costs and because it would be more of a laugh doing it with other pervs. I would say total investment spread between all three would be 5000 Euros each which would be enough to buy stock,rent the shop for a year and hire a female assistant who we would use as our pivot.

Here is a shop I found for rent in the trendy down town area which is where you want to be so that you get good footfall:

Available for under 400 Euros a month:
http://realestatehungary.hu/belvaros-v/t...4348?sid=0

It's small but you could turn it into a bookshop or a trendy female clothes store,something like that. Give it a trendy name that hipsters would like such as 'Propoganda' or some such bollocks. I don't know what business rates are but let's say another 100 on top a month. Spend 5000 on stock,hire a young hottie to work there ( wages are low in Budapest ) and off you go,you are now the owner of Budapest's trendiest designer boutique/bookshop/art gallery etc. Now sit back and let the women come to you. There is obviously a bit more to it then that but that's the basic plan. Would be a story to tell.

Hell of an idea. Amerika sells very well in both Chisinau and Tbilisi. Just steal the "concept de jour" in women's clothing/boutique from LA/NY and you'd have the best poon in the city walking through your door. Play the role of the fashionable/exotic guy from Calif/NY setting up shop and you might have an amazing social circle in no time. I wouldn't look at it as a money maker per se, but rather as a quick way to connect with hot women and cover your living expenses while doing it. You want to run with the idea in one of those two cities - I'm all ears. Get a couple of partners and always have some feet on the ground to watch the biz and it could work.

[temujin]

(08-05-2012 06:15 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 05:37 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 06:29 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

Relatively easy to engineer I would say,if you have an adventurous spirit. I used to run a bookshop ( sold it last year ) and not only do you get lots of female customers coming in you also get inundated with offers by young girls who like the idea of working in as bookshop. From there it is easy.

Lets consider the option of doing that in say Budapest:

You'd want there to be two or three partners in the project to spread costs and because it would be more of a laugh doing it with other pervs. I would say total investment spread between all three would be 5000 Euros each which would be enough to buy stock,rent the shop for a year and hire a female assistant who we would use as our pivot.

Here is a shop I found for rent in the trendy down town area which is where you want to be so that you get good footfall:

Available for under 400 Euros a month:
http://realestatehungary.hu/belvaros-v/t...4348?sid=0

It's small but you could turn it into a bookshop or a trendy female clothes store,something like that. Give it a trendy name that hipsters would like such as 'Propoganda' or some such bollocks. I don't know what business rates are but let's say another 100 on top a month. Spend 5000 on stock,hire a young hottie to work there ( wages are low in Budapest ) and off you go,you are now the owner of Budapest's trendiest designer boutique/bookshop/art gallery etc. Now sit back and let the women come to you. There is obviously a bit more to it then that but that's the basic plan. Would be a story to tell.

Hell of an idea. Amerika sells very well in both Chisinau and Tbilisi. Just steal the "concept de jour" in women's clothing/boutique from LA/NY and you'd have the best poon in the city walking through your door. Play the role of the fashionable/exotic guy from Calif/NY setting up shop and you might have an amazing social circle in no time. I wouldn't look at it as a money maker per se, but rather as a quick way to connect with hot women and cover your living expenses while doing it. You want to run with the idea in one of those two cities - I'm all ears. Get a couple of partners and always have some feet on the ground to watch the biz and it could work.

A great expansion of this idea would be to get the sweet location set up, then let local girls organize their own events at the space.

It'll let them draw from their networks which is going to be larger than ours, and allow us to kick back while each group of organizing girls draw in their own people, varying the social circles on different nights of the week.

I'd also be open to chatting with guys wanting to think about doing something cool like this.

[Marco]

(08-05-2012 02:40 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 12:16 AM)Marco Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 11:53 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Interesting you say prices are much higher then in the Ukraine. I don't have much experience of second tier Ukraine,is it really a big difference? What are we talking,25% cheaper?

Agreed. I've had great nights out in UB and the women are the best fucks I've ever had,they put their heart and soul into it. Did you ever get to the UB Palace disco? Great place. They used to have this bag of money above the dance floor and at a certain time they'd open it and hundreds of notes would fall down and everyone would bundle onto the dance floor grabbing it. You'd end up with about a dollar but fun times. Probably all changed now. Decent people there.

In Ukraine restaurants and drinks in clubs/pubs are much cheaper. You also have cheap options for renting a fully equipped studio, between 30-50$ per day. Could be more than 25%.

Haven't been to that club in UB, been to others and had good time there. There are some Russian girls which moved to work in UB, mostly from Siberia, they were quite easy as well.

Are the girls in Mongolia easy? Normal girls or freelancers? How do they look?

I love Russian girls! What are the costs for Russia outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg? How is the English outside of the 2 big cities? How are the cities besides Kiev and Odessa now for girls?

I have few data sheets that will provide you more info:

Ulan Baatar, Mongolia:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-702.html

Kazan, Russia:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5411.html

Kherson, Ukraine:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-7677.html

[brianmark]

Marco, thanks for the 3 great datasheets. You got me excited about going back over to FSU! Love those girls!

[qazwsx]

(08-04-2012 04:24 AM)temujin Wrote:  

Portugal is certainly not "cheap". The southern Algarve region has been a vacation spot for Brits and other tourists for a long time now and overdeveloped to a distasteful level.

Portuguese women....well, you don't go to Portugal for the women.

I confirm.

Don't forget the poosy paradise thread here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4001.html

[temujin]

(08-06-2012 03:53 AM)qazwsx Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 04:24 AM)temujin Wrote:  

Portugal is certainly not "cheap". The southern Algarve region has been a vacation spot for Brits and other tourists for a long time now and overdeveloped to a distasteful level.

Portuguese women....well, you don't go to Portugal for the women.

I confirm.

Don't forget the poosy paradise thread here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4001.html

I wonder what the equivalent of Portugal's Algarve farther East could be, minus the English tourist hordes and ugly women:

In other words, good weather even in winter, good food, cheaper cost of living, relaxed people...

Perhaps Georgia?

[The Fantasist]

(08-05-2012 06:17 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I wonder what the equivalent of Portugal's Algarve farther East could be, minus the English tourist hordes and ugly women:

In other words, good weather even in winter, good food, cheaper cost of living, relaxed people...

Perhaps Georgia?

Yes Georgia offers all you are searching for.

Great country and unbelievable people. It's the ideal place: no visa issues,Western looking leadership that encourages investment and has simplified the process of business formation,cheap,good weather,good beach scene ( I never made it down to Batumi but heard only good things. I think Lost Gringo made it down there ),good food and attractive women.

You could rent something down in the quirky Sharden street area and have a great little project up and running both quickly and cheaply.

[Antipodean]

(08-04-2012 06:29 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

For optimal efficiency, probably best to bypass all the pheripheral bs and just set up a modelling agency.
Leveraging your natural assets of English language and ease of making connections in the west.
Minimal overheads as premises can be trendy / cheap / arty, perhaps doubling as residential accommodation.
Support staffing can be part time as needed, probably from groupies / hangers on.
A web site (not expensive) will create credibility. May even be possible to appear to be based elsewhere to avoid local business registration.
Not committed to regular business hours and could even just run it seasonally.
Should be able to segue into great social circle.
Might even be profitable!

[temujin]

The only issue is that I don't find these women all that attractive (well maybe one of them):

I hope they're not representative of the 'high end' of Tbilisi...

MTV Georgia music event...this is just downright undoable.

[The Fantasist]

(08-06-2012 07:50 AM)temujin Wrote:  

MTV Georgia music event...this is just downright undoable.

Haha yes I won't disagree with that opinion!

My honest opinion is that Georgian women are not as attractive as Russians or other Slavs. However I did see plenty of attractive women there,not head turning stunners like in Bratislava or Kiev etc. but attractive enough to happily spend some time with. I did get the feeling you need social circle to get consistent results done
there.

You were not keen on Chisinau earlier in the thread by saying the chicks were not overly hot in comparison to more northern cities but just 30 minutes away in Transdniester you have your pick of Slavic stunners so it's not a problem in my eyes. If lifestyle is your main concern then Georgia is awesome. If women is the prime motivation and ease of bang then Moldova is better.

I'll give what you and Lost Gringo have said some consideration and formulate a few ideas of my own and come back to you.

[ManAbout]

(08-06-2012 02:00 AM)temujin Wrote:  

A great expansion of this idea would be to get the sweet location set up, then let local girls organize their own events at the space.

It'll let them draw from their networks which is going to be larger than ours, and allow us to kick back while each group of organizing girls draw in their own people, varying the social circles on different nights of the week.

I'd also be open to chatting with guys wanting to think about doing something cool like this.

Instead of a creating one isolated location I think a better idea is to create a brand, a lifestyle related idea, something that's fun and exciting and women want to be a part of. That "brand" is extensible and can be used for any number of things from clothing, to nightlife. Moreover, it can be utilized in diferent cities, allowing guys to choose a location that they prefer and build the brand in that city. Thus benefiting everybody and growing the brand.

[booshala]

(08-04-2012 05:55 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

Wow, North Korea, ahhah.

I think the first person on this forum to bang a native North Korean should win something.

Both of my ex's parents are North Korean, although they managed to sneak down past the 38th parallel with their families in the early 1950's. But I'm thinking that doesn't count, huh?

[spanish_courage]

which advice would you give to someone who is initiating in world game?(I'm planning my first travel going solo or with someone

[20Nation]

Great post and sounds like you have a lot of experience to back it up. Good read

[Beyond Borders]

(08-05-2012 11:10 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

[..]just not as easy as hyped up, and itd often described incorrectly. For example, many girls dislike foreigners instead of them being a magnet

I'd hedge a bet that this is true for most places.

[spanish_courage]

this point "2. What makes guys settle down isn't the desire to fall in love, it's the effort it takes to go out and hunt. In other words, guys simply get tired of hitting the bars, the clubs, the pavement all the time, just to be able to add to his pussy rotation. Let's face it. We all get lazy as we get older. Hustling like a young guy is something you want to do in spot instances, not all the time. Conversely, this means that the stronger your Jedi hold on the non-effort based flow of easy pussy that passes through your life, the less likely it is that you'll be tempted to couple-up long-term."


I agree totally with that,in my case sometimes i got tired of going out at night pursuing pussy..go to hunt sometimes "burnt".

[Brosemite]

(08-01-2012 02:17 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I've been living abroad as a single guy all over the world for well over a decade now.

Here are some lessons and hard truths that I've discovered over time.

1. At this point in my life, there's nothing that turns me off more than a girl flapping her mouth with an American, English, or Australian accent. Yes, there was a time when an American co-ed, a posh English bird, or an Australian beach babe would get me hard and make me go after it. No more. And it's not just me either. I know plenty of men, who had a lot of success back home, realize they're much more likely to find a sexier, more feminine woman abroad elsewhere.

3. Most women, esp. from developing countries, have their eyes on the prize. The prize is usually relationship security with a guy who can provide a nice pad, sufficient dough, and a lifestyle they wouldn't have access to otherwise. Sure, they need to be able to laugh and talk with the guy as well, but don't be fooled. You're not all that special despite what you may think about your looks, your body, or your game.

6. Expat circles and Couch Surfing have the least attractive women around. It never ceases to amaze me how social circles that are composed of mostly expats, or even worse, the "Couch Surfing" crew, are composed of overweight, asymmetrical-faced women regardless of what country you're in. The only exception to this are the girlfriends of expat guys, which is usually the reason why they guys are in the country in the first place. Having said that, you need the companionship of other guys in your situation while abroad, for your own sanity. So don't burn any bridges and maintain these ties.

7. There's always somewhere else. There's always another country, another town, where you hear rumors and whispers that it's the land of ever-lasting poontang. Where the women are young, hot, and all over you like swarming piranhas in the Amazon. These stories are usually false. But sometimes, just sometimes, you will find a place that fits your looks, your personality, and your stage in life. When you do, cherish that time, because it's fleeting and may not come around again. To quote a cliche, live in the moment instead of always trying to look for the next best thing.

10. Keep balance in your life. Chasing young pussy may be what makes us feel alive as men. But I can guarantee you it will fuck you up over time if that's your only hobby. Your health, your intellect, and a greater purpose in life are all important to keep you on a sustainable path instead of regressing into destructive adolescence. Take it from me. When I lost my health due to late nights, alcohol, and lack of daily cardio, the last thing I wanted to do was shag women. Doing the same boring shit for work every day on the other hand nearly drove me to numbing depression. It's the constant creative striving for unexplored horizons that makes men who we are.

1) As an American guy of Asian descent, there's nothing sexier to me than an Australian female accent. But I'm not longer as enamored by it like I was in the past seeing how I'm more multilingual and more well-traveled now compared to my first interactions with them. Was at a CS meeting chatting up a beautiful gal from New Zealand in Brazil, but I would then opt for the local non English speaking Brazilian chicks as soon as they came into the bar. Great choice and gamble that worked out.

3) This is the case with women all over the world..naturally..can't hold that against them. I'd still take the foreign women including Australian ones that love to at least travel & experience different cultures over an American one who gets married for A) The thrill of an expensive wedding or B) False sense of comfort at an early age only to get divorced later on. Most American girls from their mid-late 20s are now looking for a mortgage/kids they can barely afford while using all their vacation time on lame out of town weddings. As Roosh mentioned in his youtube clip about the suburbs, people should be more concerned about excitement instead of comfort in their late 20s as even young couples in Australia have a more serious travel bug & will to actually follow through on their plans opposed to American women looking to spend half a week on the beach.

At least a Polish, Brazilian, or Australian chick I'm stuck with is going to want more exciting shit in life opposed to prototypical American girl I mentioned above.

6) I'm not going to post anything in the Couchsurfing threads of this forum to protect my own ass..lol. In that same couchsurfing meeting I mentioned earlier, I saw two ex-pats meet each other in one and then leave presumably for a one-night stand. Good for them, haha. I just think there should be good etiquette involved with doing so.

In my case, I don't crash on random people's couches but will go to these meetings to meet guys/gals. If I meet a cool gal, I'll get their info and connect with them on say facebook or telephone# while hitting them up later. I'm not going to be overly aggressive (bc I don't have the balls to do so) but will oblige if a girl..you know..wants to, which has happened once. The key is to not connect with that person via CS account bc you don't want them writing anything about you in case you strike out or she's pissed about not getting repeat sex so just get their "other" contact info.

Also make friends with the guys (esp local ones) bc they will be good wingmen for other non-CS hot chicks in an establishment where an event is being held and can guide you to bars/clubs where the hottest/loosest women are. Also worked for me before.

7) If Argentina continues to crash and burn financially, that could be that "next place," haha. But I agree...live in the moment.

10) It's important to have hobbies in life. If you can't keep yourself entertained, how are you supposed to keep your friends or a significant other entertained? I once had a friend with no hobbies who just wanted to "meet people." While he made friends, he couldn't retain them bc he just wanted company and was unable to evolve as a result of the influences in his life.

Always be chipping away at your short-term/long-term goals outside of your profession bc your ambitions, interests, and hobbies shape your personality..makes you more provocative...which contributes to your game...and in turn attracts females.

[samsamsam]

Just wanted to bump this - great first post.