[The Fantasist]

(08-03-2012 02:44 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 12:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Looking at the map of incomes Albania stands out for me.

Albania a primarily Muslim country, that might be enough to dissuade most.

Sure but the two countries I've killed it in most have been Muslim: Indonesia and Kyrgyzstan. I know it's Islamic but I think there is a big difference from Islam on the Arabian prninsula and Europe.

[travelbangenjoy]

(08-03-2012 02:44 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Albania a primarily Muslim country, that might be enough to dissuade most.

I was surprised by that, 70% muslim according to Wiki.

I've never been to Albania but a friend has and he tells me that Tirana was very run down, lots of people begging and harassing him, people wouldn't leave him alone. He couldn't wait to get out.

[qazwsx]

Speaking of the Balkans. Like Albania, Macedonia also seems less explored. And it's not islamic. At least for the majority of its population.

[travelbangenjoy]

I saw a post yesterday on here about there being no untapped reserves of pussy in the world now or something along those lines but there are still a few countries even in Europe no one really ever goes to in big numbers. No hordes of tourists / sex tourists or package holidays at least. Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo, Moldova, Ukraine (well pre Euro 2012 anyway), huge parts of Russia, Gerorgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus. That's just in Europe. Then you've got tons of Central Asia. A lot of Africa. These places may not be pussy paradises but I think there must be plenty of girls in these countries not that used to foreigners, and that's probably a good thing.

[Sourcecode]

Albania being muslim might not mean much.
I find european muslims on a completely different wavelength..almost like israeli jews.
ever bosnian girl i know smokes,drinks,parties..ect and all them claim to be muslim.
The same as catholics that do whatever they please.

What kept me away from those countries is the instability and racism ive heard.

[The Fantasist]

Exactly. Just because you are a Muslim does not mean you in anyway follow the commands of that religion,people are just born to religions. I'm a Jew but I love my bacon sandwich in the morning. Every Muslim girl I met in Kyrgyzstan loved to party,get drunk and fuck. I know plenty of Christians who cheat and work on Sundays. They are just titles and pretty meaningless in much of the world.

[keepreal]

(08-03-2012 12:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 01:13 AM)temujin Wrote:  

But I usually keep an eye on this chart before travelling:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...erage_wage

Good link I do wonder though how much relation there is between cost of living and average wage. The chart says that the Russian average wage is double the Ukrainian one. However is the Ukraine that much cheaper then Russia in people's experience?

Looking at the map of incomes Albania stands out for me. I don't know if anyone here has broken the place down yet but the country seems to be spectacular geography wise. The coast looks awesome with crystal clear waters that are ideal for diving and as of yet untouched by the Northern hordes of tourists each summer. I don't know what the women situation is like but I expect it works heavily on social circle game. Cheap and with good transport links with direct flights to places like London/Berlin and relaxed visa regime means it's worth an investigative journey down there to suss it out.

Beach:

Empty coastline:

Mountains:

Tirana View:

the wage of portugal stands out in compared to surrounding area, I hear cost of living is high even though the wage is low, maybe partly due to the crisis.

[temujin]

(08-04-2012 03:39 AM)keepreal Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 12:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 01:13 AM)temujin Wrote:  

But I usually keep an eye on this chart before travelling:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...erage_wage

Good link I do wonder though how much relation there is between cost of living and average wage. The chart says that the Russian average wage is double the Ukrainian one. However is the Ukraine that much cheaper then Russia in people's experience?

Looking at the map of incomes Albania stands out for me. I don't know if anyone here has broken the place down yet but the country seems to be spectacular geography wise. The coast looks awesome with crystal clear waters that are ideal for diving and as of yet untouched by the Northern hordes of tourists each summer. I don't know what the women situation is like but I expect it works heavily on social circle game. Cheap and with good transport links with direct flights to places like London/Berlin and relaxed visa regime means it's worth an investigative journey down there to suss it out.

Beach:

Empty coastline:

Mountains:

Tirana View:

the wage of portugal stands out in compared to surrounding area, I hear cost of living is high even though the wage is low, maybe partly due to the crisis.

Portugal is certainly not "cheap". The southern Algarve region has been a vacation spot for Brits and other tourists for a long time now and overdeveloped to a distasteful level.

Portuguese women....well, you don't go to Portugal for the women.

[The Fantasist]

Going back to a point that was raised earlier in the thread in relation to 'pussy paradise's' and do they exist:


In my opinion there is only one place in the world that has the right social/historical/economical factors that gives it the opportunity of being a true pussy paradise. That place is North Korea. If, and it's a big if,the regime falls then book your flight and get in there first. The reason is that in the early days of flux after a regime's fall the women will do anything to escape,regardless of your age,looks,nationality or game. People's living standards will fall even worse then they are now and their desperation will drive them into your arms. There will be millions of young Korean chicks clamouring for your dick. When Ceucescu was executed in Romania and people emerged wide eyed and blinking into the new dawn there were parents offering their 17 year old daughters to anyone who would take them,that is a pussy paradise. I was one of the lucky ones who saw the tail end of this in Russia. At 18 I went on a 2 month home stay to Moscow in 1993 and although I was 2 years too late for the peak of debauchery and opportunities that were available in the capitol, I still had so many opportunities thrown at me by beautiful young women ( being a shy beta kid fresh out of 8 years at an all boys boarding school I never took advantage of 99% of the opportunities ) that people don't get in places where normal economic and social conditions prevail. It was ridiculous and that was in Moscow and on a quick trip to Kiev,had I ventured into the wilds of Russia god knows what reaction I'd have had!

So we are not going to find a true pussy paradise as things stand in the world. Let's look at Belarus: last dictatorship,poor,few possibilities for local girls to travel,you'd think they'd be desperate for a decent foreigner to take them away from it all but I went to the shit holes there,towns like Hoiniki in the irradiated south,where people live in half finished apartment blocks without window,where stunning girls live in houses without an inside toilet and have to go out for a shit in minus 30 degrees and I failed miserably to get anywhere with anyone. Despite me walking around in clothes worth more then their annual wage or the fact that I offered a way out I got nothing but the cold shoulder and looks of suspicion when I approached them. The chicks there still prefer a local dude then us. They are wise to our lives and unlike their compatriots from the early 90's when people like Pierre Woodman was banging 17 year old models with nothing more then a pocketful of empty promises about the dream of a life in the West,these chicks nowadays who have access to cable and the internet know that life in the west is anything but paradise. We lead pretty much the same lives as them but just surrounded by shinier objects.

That doesn't mean there are not awesome places to go and bang,quite the contrary. Posts by Ali&Mech,Roosh,Mixx,RioNomad etc. prove that but they all had to put some form of effort in especially if you want the top girls in that location. So I've been giving a lot of thought recently as to where I can get as near to my own version of paradise as possible. Personally speaking my perfect place would be a place with tall attractive European looking women,where the women are not shy or reserved,where women drink alcohol,cheap to live there,no other foreigners living there or visiting in any kind of numbers,having a local language that I can get conversational in and semi decent level of English,where being a westerner is a DHV or at the very least intriguing and where the food and climate suits me. Of the places I have been in the world the one place that stands out for me that ticked every box was second tier European Russia. I've never had as much fun and excitement as I had on my trip to the European wild's of Russia. I've only been once but every box was ticked in the places I visited. I couldn't live there but for a month or two or six,perfect!

[RichieP]

Wow, North Korea, ahhah.

I think the first person on this forum to bang a native North Korean should win something.

[temujin]

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

[Marco]

Vorkuta, which city was it?
I was in Kazan and it was quite good, I felt better there than Ukraine as it seems the girls liked me more.
Prices in Russia are much more than Ukraine.

Philippines is a pussy paradise, I had endless pussy there, many girls in parallel which I can ring and they would come to my place anytime, many 18-20 YO, accomplished almost all my fantasies there. But I had enough of Asian pussy, they are just not enough attractive to me anymore. Guys which like browned skin Asians- this is the ultimate pussy paradise, unlike Thailand which none hookers would be hard to fuck, in Philippines they are easy and English is widespread.

In sub Saharan Africa almost any country can be pussy paradise for the black girls lovers, I have been there and saw it as 60yo guy will fuck the top models in countries like Angola, Kenya etc. And I am not talking about hookers at all. To me black girls are not appealing and HIV rate is frightening.

[Marco]

(08-04-2012 06:29 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

This is the right idea, any store with attracts girls would be also good.

And BTW, Temujin, Mongolia (Your country?) is also mini pussy paradise. Had there quite a success a few years back, their look is better than south east Asia.

[Spartan]

(08-04-2012 05:45 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Of the places I have been in the world the one place that stands out for me that ticked every box was second tier European Russia. I've never had as much fun and excitement as I had on my trip to the European wild's of Russia.

Sounds interesting. I've visited Moldova, Ukraine, and Belarus....it seems that being a Westerner offers no paradise. Looks like tier 2 Russia is my next stop. Perhaps in the winter )

Having spent so much time studying Russian, it'd be a shame not to visit Russia!

[The Fantasist]

(08-04-2012 10:25 AM)Marco Wrote:  

Vorkuta, which city was it?
I was in Kazan and it was quite good, I felt better there than Ukraine as it seems the girls liked me more.
Prices in Russia are much more than Ukraine.

I've shared so much info on here but that city is one thing I won't share publicly,I'll pm you. It's my little private Arcadia that I don't want to be destroyed by other pervs

Interesting you say prices are much higher then in the Ukraine. I don't have much experience of second tier Ukraine,is it really a big difference? What are we talking,25% cheaper?

(08-04-2012 10:29 AM)Marco Wrote:  

And BTW, Temujin, Mongolia (Your country?) is also mini pussy paradise. Had there quite a success a few years back, their look is better than south east Asia.

Agreed. I've had great nights out in UB and the women are the best fucks I've ever had,they put their heart and soul into it. Did you ever get to the UB Palace disco? Great place. They used to have this bag of money above the dance floor and at a certain time they'd open it and hundreds of notes would fall down and everyone would bundle onto the dance floor grabbing it. You'd end up with about a dollar but fun times. Probably all changed now. Decent people there.

[The Fantasist]

(08-04-2012 11:23 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Sounds interesting. I've visited Moldova, Ukraine, and Belarus....it seems that being a Westerner offers no paradise. Looks like tier 2 Russia is my next stop. Perhaps in the winter )

Having spent so much time studying Russian, it'd be a shame not to visit Russia!

You are living in one of the hardest places to bang Spartan and so going to Russia after your time there,well it will blow you away just how different the women are there. In Russia you don't need social circle and the women are open and much more fun to be around in my opinion then in your current location. Another thing that I personally think is good is that they are much more money orientated. I know people on here hate gold diggers but I don't,I love them because wealth is an easy thing to fake and to project. I'm not looking for an LTR,I'm looking for bangs and mini relationships and I can use their greed to my advantage to bang them. By the time they realise that in reality I have little more then them I'm gone.

[Spartan]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting to Russia but its a trip I need to prepare for (research where/how, get the visa)

For now, I'm visiting a girl who seems interested in me. Perhaps, I'll invite her along on my trip to Moldova/Ukraine or I'll go off there myself.
After all this time gaming and living in the same small city, I'm looking forward to something new. I plan on spending part of my time just chilling and sightseeing (the sea, monastaries and forts, the countryside, etc.)

[Marco]

(08-04-2012 11:53 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Interesting you say prices are much higher then in the Ukraine. I don't have much experience of second tier Ukraine,is it really a big difference? What are we talking,25% cheaper?

Agreed. I've had great nights out in UB and the women are the best fucks I've ever had,they put their heart and soul into it. Did you ever get to the UB Palace disco? Great place. They used to have this bag of money above the dance floor and at a certain time they'd open it and hundreds of notes would fall down and everyone would bundle onto the dance floor grabbing it. You'd end up with about a dollar but fun times. Probably all changed now. Decent people there.

In Ukraine restaurants and drinks in clubs/pubs are much cheaper. You also have cheap options for renting a fully equipped studio, between 30-50$ per day. Could be more than 25%.

Haven't been to that club in UB, been to others and had good time there. There are some Russian girls which moved to work in UB, mostly from Siberia, they were quite easy as well.

[brianmark]

(08-05-2012 12:16 AM)Marco Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 11:53 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Interesting you say prices are much higher then in the Ukraine. I don't have much experience of second tier Ukraine,is it really a big difference? What are we talking,25% cheaper?

Agreed. I've had great nights out in UB and the women are the best fucks I've ever had,they put their heart and soul into it. Did you ever get to the UB Palace disco? Great place. They used to have this bag of money above the dance floor and at a certain time they'd open it and hundreds of notes would fall down and everyone would bundle onto the dance floor grabbing it. You'd end up with about a dollar but fun times. Probably all changed now. Decent people there.

In Ukraine restaurants and drinks in clubs/pubs are much cheaper. You also have cheap options for renting a fully equipped studio, between 30-50$ per day. Could be more than 25%.

Haven't been to that club in UB, been to others and had good time there. There are some Russian girls which moved to work in UB, mostly from Siberia, they were quite easy as well.

Are the girls in Mongolia easy? Normal girls or freelancers? How do they look?

I love Russian girls! What are the costs for Russia outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg? How is the English outside of the 2 big cities? How are the cities besides Kiev and Odessa now for girls?

[lotharius]

(08-04-2012 11:23 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 05:45 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Of the places I have been in the world the one place that stands out for me that ticked every box was second tier European Russia. I've never had as much fun and excitement as I had on my trip to the European wild's of Russia.

Sounds interesting. I've visited Moldova, Ukraine, and Belarus....it seems that being a Westerner offers no paradise. Looks like tier 2 Russia is my next stop. Perhaps in the winter )

Having spent so much time studying Russian, it'd be a shame not to visit Russia!

If you can't get laid in Ukraine and Moldova then what hope do you have in Russia?. Being a westerner on its own its not enough.

[temujin]

In my opinion, I think most guys can get laid anywhere in Europe. The question is, how much effort does it take and what kind of quantity and quality will you end up with?

I'm lazy. I want to do the least amount possible for the highest rewards. That way, I can focus on other things I enjoy doing as well instead of hustling in a bar every night for some mystery tail.

[The Fantasist]

(08-04-2012 06:29 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

Relatively easy to engineer I would say,if you have an adventurous spirit. I used to run a bookshop ( sold it last year ) and not only do you get lots of female customers coming in you also get inundated with offers by young girls who like the idea of working in as bookshop. From there it is easy.

Lets consider the option of doing that in say Budapest:

You'd want there to be two or three partners in the project to spread costs and because it would be more of a laugh doing it with other pervs. I would say total investment spread between all three would be 5000 Euros each which would be enough to buy stock,rent the shop for a year and hire a female assistant who we would use as our pivot.

Here is a shop I found for rent in the trendy down town area which is where you want to be so that you get good footfall:

Available for under 400 Euros a month:
http://realestatehungary.hu/belvaros-v/t...4348?sid=0

It's small but you could turn it into a bookshop or a trendy female clothes store,something like that. Give it a trendy name that hipsters would like such as 'Propoganda' or some such bollocks. I don't know what business rates are but let's say another 100 on top a month. Spend 5000 on stock,hire a young hottie to work there ( wages are low in Budapest ) and off you go,you are now the owner of Budapest's trendiest designer boutique/bookshop/art gallery etc. Now sit back and let the women come to you. There is obviously a bit more to it then that but that's the basic plan. Would be a story to tell.

[temujin]

(08-05-2012 05:37 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-04-2012 06:29 AM)temujin Wrote:  

I have another idea.

Instead of looking for wild, raw territory which are diminishing and in far-flung corners of the world, it may be better to social engineer something in a place that's still affordable with a lot of beautiful women.

Opening a nightclub for example. Or a bar. Hell, even a cafe/bookstore. You don't need anything fancy to get a lot of girls coming through. And really, if you have some modicum of game and looks, that's about all you need.

Relatively easy to engineer I would say,if you have an adventurous spirit. I used to run a bookshop ( sold it last year ) and not only do you get lots of female customers coming in you also get inundated with offers by young girls who like the idea of working in as bookshop. From there it is easy.

Lets consider the option of doing that in say Budapest:

You'd want there to be two or three partners in the project to spread costs and because it would be more of a laugh doing it with other pervs. I would say total investment spread between all three would be 5000 Euros each which would be enough to buy stock,rent the shop for a year and hire a female assistant who we would use as our pivot.

Here is a shop I found for rent in the trendy down town area which is where you want to be so that you get good footfall:

Available for under 400 Euros a month:
http://realestatehungary.hu/belvaros-v/t...4348?sid=0

It's small but you could turn it into a bookshop or a trendy female clothes store,something like that. Give it a trendy name that hipsters would like such as 'Propoganda' or some such bollocks. I don't know what business rates are but let's say another 100 on top a month. Spend 5000 on stock,hire a young hottie to work there ( wages are low in Budapest ) and off you go,you are now the owner of Budapest's trendiest designer boutique/bookshop/art gallery etc. Now sit back and let the women come to you. There is obviously a bit more to it then that but that's the basic plan. Would be a story to tell.

We're on the same wavelength.

The only question is, is Budapest really the place for this type of venture to reap the maximum rewards?

I'm thinking you'd make more of a splash in a smaller, lesser trafficked town, like Krakow, Wroclaw, Poznan, Vilnius, Cluj Napoca, Brno, Chisinau, or Tallinn.

[solik]

(08-05-2012 05:37 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Relatively easy to engineer I would say,if you have an adventurous spirit. I used to run a bookshop ( sold it last year ) and not only do you get lots of female customers coming in you also get inundated with offers by young girls who like the idea of working in as bookshop. From there it is easy.

Was your bookshop profitable?

[The Fantasist]

(08-05-2012 06:17 AM)temujin Wrote:  

We're on the same wavelength.

The only question is, is Budapest really the place for this type of venture to reap the maximum rewards?

I'm thinking you'd make more of a splash in a smaller, lesser trafficked town, like Krakow, Wroclaw, Poznan, Vilnius, Cluj Napoca, Brno, Chisinau, or Tallinn.

Agreed,I just plucked Budapest out of a hat but if I moved forward with the project seriously I'd give location more serious thought. Chisinau appeals:very cheap and near to Transdniester which had an amazingly high standard of Slavic women based on what I saw in my short period of time there.

What are your thoughts?

(08-05-2012 06:59 AM)solik Wrote:  

Was your bookshop profitable?

Profitable yes but it was never going to make me rich. I started it in a small English seaside resort so some weeks in the summer I'd be making a couple of thousand a week but then in the long winter months there were weeks when I made nothing.