[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 08:02 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You don't know many rich guys, do you?

There are many millionaires who DONT PAY but SLAY 8+'s that is GAME...

This is definitely debatable.

As a rule of thumb, being way richer than the girl is a big attraction switch. Not always, but in many cases.

And why exactly did Locke get banned? I don't really think he was trollin.

Whatev.

[WestCoast]

Yes having money is a turn on but those with money know it can be a massive turn off if you fuck up. You can be rich but if you give the girl the feeling you are trying to "buy her love" you're cooked.

I'm trying to help distinguish the fine line here.

1. Pay for play (seeking arrangements, prostys etc.) If you have mega cash you can always pay for ass

versus

2. Have mega cash but the girl is banging you because she is attracted to you, and security is part of that attraction. Eg. Harry/G Manifesto etc.

Guys who assume money will solve all their problems usually don't have money and don't know people with money.

(07-03-2012 09:12 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 08:02 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You don't know many rich guys, do you?

There are many millionaires who DONT PAY but SLAY 8+'s that is GAME...

This is definitely debatable.

As a rule of thumb, being way richer than the girl is a big attraction switch. Not always, but in many cases.

And why exactly did Locke get banned? I don't really think he was trollin.

Whatev.

[Rurik]

This is definitely a hot topic thread.

To quantify it a bit more, lets take throw out some rough figures.

The guys that are landing these hot hoes are elite athletes, actors/tv personalities, rich dudes, hot dudes/ripped dudes, successful musicians, etc. In america in particular, there are hundreds of thousands of dudes in this category, probably over a million.

Then you have to ask yourself: how many women are in the 8 plus category? 1 in a 100? 2 in a 100? Then you figure out how many of these women are currently between the ages of 18 and 30 (or whatever upper limit you want).

Then you start realizing the big problem: a surplus of men with high status (a trait that for men doesn't necessarily diminish much with regards to age, as opposed to women who lose attractiveness with age.) This surplus, combined with the fact that high status men tend to fuck the majority of the available females....


In fact, hot chicks are basically riding a carousel of high status sausage in America.

I've friended a number of hot chicks on facebook from daytime approaches (like, VERY VERY hot). Many of these girls have twitter pages (they all view them selves as mini-divas), and guess who are in their twitpics taken at 2am with alcohol in their hands? famous or semi-famous rappers....who they are almost certainly fucking.

[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 09:19 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Yes having money is a turn on but those with money know it can be a massive turn off if you fuck up. You can be rich but if you give the girl the feeling you are trying to "buy her love" you're cooked.

I'm trying to help distinguish the fine line here.

1. Pay for play (seeking arrangements, prostys etc.) If you have mega cash you can always pay for ass

versus

2. Have mega cash but the girl is banging you because she is attracted to you, and security is part of that attraction. Eg. Harry/G Manifesto etc.

Guys who assume money will solve all their problems usually don't have money and don't know people with money.

(07-03-2012 09:12 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 08:02 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You don't know many rich guys, do you?

There are many millionaires who DONT PAY but SLAY 8+'s that is GAME...

This is definitely debatable.

As a rule of thumb, being way richer than the girl is a big attraction switch. Not always, but in many cases.

And why exactly did Locke get banned? I don't really think he was trollin.

Whatev.

Yeah, I agree that money won't solve all your problems, unless you're a multi-millionaire, at which point it probably will unless you're a completely autistic tool getting dragged around by gold-diggers.

[thegmanifesto]

Quote:

2. Have mega cash but the girl is banging you because she is attracted to you, and security is part of that attraction. Eg. Harry/G Manifesto etc.

Guys who assume money will solve all their problems usually don't have money and don't know people with money.

Although Money does beat the hell out of whatever the f*ck is in second place.

"Anyone that tells you that money is the root of all evil, doesn't f*cking have any."

[WestCoast]

Yeah you're hitting it on the head now.

It's just a balancing act. I know a dude who makes 8 digits a year, but he is fat as fuck, ugly as fuck and has okay game. He would lose out every single day to my buddy who is Hot as fuck (no i am not gay, i just know he is a 9+ since 7+'s walk up to him and tell him so), has strong game and makes maybe $80-90K a year.

This is why i prefer Bills over Thrills

Damn it G beat me to the same punch line.

ANYONE WHO SAYS MONEY DOESNT BUY HAPPINESS NEVER MADE ENOUGH.

(07-03-2012 09:24 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

This is definitely a hot topic thread.

To quantify it a bit more, lets take throw out some rough figures.

The guys that are landing these hot hoes are elite athletes, actors/tv personalities, rich dudes, hot dudes/ripped dudes, successful musicians, etc. In america in particular, there are hundreds of thousands of dudes in this category, probably over a million.

Then you have to ask yourself: how many women are in the 8 plus category? 1 in a 100? 2 in a 100? Then you figure out how many of these women are currently between the ages of 18 and 30 (or whatever upper limit you want).

Then you start realizing the big problem: a surplus of men with high status (a trait that for men doesn't necessarily diminish much with regards to age, as opposed to women who lose attractiveness with age.) This surplus, combined with the fact that high status men tend to fuck the majority of the available females....


In fact, hot chicks are basically riding a carousel of high status sausage in America.

I've friended a number of hot chicks on facebook from daytime approaches (like, VERY VERY hot). Many of these girls have twitter pages (they all view them selves as mini-divas), and guess who are in their twitpics taken at 2am with alcohol in their hands? famous or semi-famous rappers....who they are almost certainly fucking.

[Kish]

Fame>Game
Looks matter!
High status guys are fucking all the girls!



Sheesh.

[WestCoast]

(07-03-2012 10:03 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Fame>Game
Looks matter!
High status guys are fucking all the girls!



Sheesh.

Haha nah you can slay tons of quality women with just game not a ton of cash and not great looks. We're just talking top top end, and i assume western women.

Even Roosh had a post on this, sure there are 10's in Miami beach but to pull them it's really tough with straight game and nothing else if you are fat/ugly/broke all at once. It's realistic, i go for the 6.5-7.5 range.

[Veindarlin]

since your name is westcoast I might as well ask

would you say pulling a 9/10 in California is next to impossible?

are women there really that hard, never been to that side of the country but two of my frat brothers say it is TOUGH

[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 10:03 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Fame>Game
Looks matter!
High status guys are fucking all the girls!



Sheesh.

IN AMERICA ESPECIALLY. Not quite as much as in other countries. that's the take home message I would say.

Hence: get the fuck out.

Get the fuck out of america and go to poor ass countries where hot chicks have fewer options, and/or they view you as exotic. That's probably the easiest way to up your sexual value to jam your cock in 8+ pussy.


OR work on getting a shit ton of cash, fame, or fishbowl.

[MikeCF]

When guys talk about fame... What does "fame" mean?

Dave Chapelle and Bradley Cooper both go to my gym. Yes, they are mobbed. They are a-list famous.

But that level of fame is George Soros level of money.

I could pull more with a million in my pocket than a "famous" local DJ. (Now if it's a A-list DJ like Tiesto, forget it.)

Who is pulling more - a Russian oligarch like Roman Abramovich or Cooper? They are both doing fine.

No fucking shit Bradley Cooper will pull more pussy than any of us on here, ever. But what does that have to do with anything that we "regular guys" are discussing?

There are a few guys here with seven figure net worth. None are saying that a mill lets you pull a-list celeb level pussy. No one here is saying that you can read Mystery Method and then run the world.

So when guys talk about fame > game, it's largely a troll job. It's a passive-aggressive way to shit talk game. It contributes nothing towards the discussion.

[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 10:30 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When guys talk about fame... What does "fame" mean?

Dave Chapelle and Bradley Cooper both go to my gym. Yes, they are mobbed. They are a-list famous.

But that level of fame is George Soros level of money.

I could pull more with a million in my pocket than a "famous" local DJ. (Now if it's a A-list DJ like Tiesto, forget it.)

Who is pulling more - a Russian oligarch like Roman Abramovich or Cooper? They are both doing fine.

No fucking shit Bradley Cooper will pull more pussy than any of us on here, ever. But what does that have to do with anything that we "regular guys" are discussing?

There are a few guys here with seven figure net worth. None are saying that a mill lets you pull a-list celeb level pussy. No one here is saying that you can read Mystery Method and then run the world.

So when guys talk about fame > game, it's largely a troll job. It's a passive-aggressive way to shit talk game. It contributes nothing towards the discussion.

Well, I think it contributes to the discussion directly.

No one is "shit talking" game, just pointing out the fact you're not really going to bang 8s and up very much with game only.

Being in the NFL is high status. There are over 1500 dudes in the NFL.

People with that level of status aren't rare. So, by saying "well, OF COURSE guys with a-level fame are going to bang a bunch" that doesn't erase the fact that in any city you're in in america, there are tons of dudes with WAY more status than you walking around.

[WestCoast]

I agree, and i'll clarify fame.

When i say "Fame" i mean like your PICTURE and BODY is everywhere (lebron james, Brad Pitt, David Beckham, hell even Dennis Rodman). TV, Movies, Billboards.

George Soros is not "fame" he is "money successful". I have no doubt you could out pull someone like Warren Buffet. Hell look at CITADEL's Website the fucker running that HAS HIS PHOTO NO WHERE IN SIGHT ha!

But if you can out pull LeBron James?.... Maybe i got a lot of game to learn.

(07-03-2012 10:30 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When guys talk about fame... What does "fame" mean?

Dave Chapelle and Bradley Cooper both go to my gym. Yes, they are mobbed. They are a-list famous.

But that level of fame is George Soros level of money.

I could pull more with a million in my pocket than a "famous" local DJ. (Now if it's a A-list DJ like Tiesto, forget it.)

Who is pulling more - a Russian oligarch like Roman Abramovich or Cooper? They are both doing fine.

No fucking shit Bradley Cooper will pull more pussy than any of us on here, ever. But what does that have to do with anything that we "regular guys" are discussing?

There are a few guys here with seven figure net worth. None are saying that a mill lets you pull a-list celeb level pussy. No one here is saying that you can read Mystery Method and then run the world.

So when guys talk about fame > game, it's largely a troll job. It's a passive-aggressive way to shit talk game. It contributes nothing towards the discussion.

[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 10:43 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I agree, and i'll clarify fame.

When i say "Fame" i mean like your PICTURE and BODY is everywhere (lebron james, Brad Pitt, David Beckham, hell even Dennis Rodman). TV, Movies, Billboards.

George Soros is not "fame" he is "money successful". I have no doubt you could out pull someone like Warren Buffet. Hell look at CITADEL's Website the fucker running that HAS HIS PHOTO NO WHERE IN SIGHT ha!

But if you can out pull LeBron James?.... Maybe i got a lot of game to learn.

(07-03-2012 10:30 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When guys talk about fame... What does "fame" mean?

Dave Chapelle and Bradley Cooper both go to my gym. Yes, they are mobbed. They are a-list famous.

But that level of fame is George Soros level of money.

I could pull more with a million in my pocket than a "famous" local DJ. (Now if it's a A-list DJ like Tiesto, forget it.)

Who is pulling more - a Russian oligarch like Roman Abramovich or Cooper? They are both doing fine.

No fucking shit Bradley Cooper will pull more pussy than any of us on here, ever. But what does that have to do with anything that we "regular guys" are discussing?

There are a few guys here with seven figure net worth. None are saying that a mill lets you pull a-list celeb level pussy. No one here is saying that you can read Mystery Method and then run the world.

So when guys talk about fame > game, it's largely a troll job. It's a passive-aggressive way to shit talk game. It contributes nothing towards the discussion.

Dude, what are you smoking? George Soros is definitely famous, as well as being one of the wealthiest men in the world.

[WestCoast]

I guess we will disagree there... Ask a smoking hot girl in college(exclude ivy league hotties) who George Soros is or Raj Gupta is or Carl Ichan or James Simons... you'll get blank stares

Now say Michael Jordan, Brad Pitt etc.. think you get the idea

Or i guess as mike put it "A-List Celebs".

Shit maybe i just consider fame "celebrities" versus famous.

So a better term is

Celebrity>Game.

[Veindarlin]

great, so the question I asked on this page was ignored by west coast

[WestCoast]

Here ya go i am assuming we are talking western girls 8.5+ ie: the rare kind

1. Guys with celebrity status
2. Guys that are good looking with good game with good money (150K+)
3. Guys that decent looking with Strong Game and good money (150K +)
4. Guys that are GREAT looking good game so so money (70K+)

Don't think i need to go on you get the idea. That's all there is to it, i have yet to see a super ugly guy, super poor guy, or super weak game guy pull 8's consistently you need to pretty much be hitting on all cylinders to pull top talent all the time. Outside the USA we're in a different ball park.

(07-03-2012 11:37 PM)Veindarlin Wrote:  

great, so the question I asked on this page was ignored by west coast

[Veindarlin]

I consider myself decent looking, took myself there after being below average. I don't even know how the good and great looking crap works but for now I just say muscles and style will do wonders so sticking to that routine. Thank you!

[WestCoast]

(07-03-2012 11:54 PM)Veindarlin Wrote:  

I consider myself decent looking, took myself there after being below average. I don't even know how the good and great looking crap works but for now I just say muscles and style will do wonders so sticking to that routine. Thank you!

Yeah dude call me

But you should really look at photos of guys who girls think are "hot". You can see what makes up a "hot dude" and change your look.

Example: of adjusting your look. If you have a large fore head you likely want longer hair, if you have a "oval" face you can wear any type of sunglasses but if you are more squareish you can't wear aviator shades etc. If you are short you avoid 3 button suits if tall .... you get the idea. Only way to learn is to just dig up the info for your specific look.

Yet again but if you can't tell who is decent/good looking how can you make yourself better looking? Finally, you can't make yourself a 10 overnight or anything that's also bullshit.

[OGNorCal707]

I think all this talk should be about women that are 9+, I don't even talk about 10's, because a 10 is basically a 9 done up complete with her hair, make-up, and clothes perfect.

I don't think 8's are that unattainable, sure they aren't easy for the average guy or even above average guy, but I'm sure most of us here have had at least a few. Now 9's the girls that are model caliber, could be on tv, movies, etc., those are the ones that are in another league IMO. When you talk about celebrities, movie stars, professional athletes, these are the ones slaying the 9+.

You can find a decent amount of 8's in most U.S. college towns, and there are tons of guys fucking these chicks, either due to being good looking themselves, having excellent logistics (proximity, access), or status, then there are the random dudes who get lucky with an 8 they meet at a house party, bar, or through work. When I talk about status, I don't necessarily mean the guy who's the starting quarterback for UCLA, I'm talking the guy who works as a bartender or bouncer at the local college dive bar, or the frat boys who throw the huge parties that all the sororiety girls and freshman sluts go to. Sure some towns will be better than others, but I'm sure there are no shortage of 8's running around Santa Barbara, CA, Athens, GA, or Madison, WI.

[Veindarlin]

(07-03-2012 11:59 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 11:54 PM)Veindarlin Wrote:  

I consider myself decent looking, took myself there after being below average. I don't even know how the good and great looking crap works but for now I just say muscles and style will do wonders so sticking to that routine. Thank you!

Yeah dude call me

But you should really look at photos of guys who girls think are "hot". You can see what makes up a "hot dude" and change your look.

Example: of adjusting your look. If you have a large fore head you likely want longer hair, if you have a "oval" face you can wear any type of sunglasses but if you are more squareish you can't wear aviator shades etc. If you are short you avoid 3 button suits if tall .... you get the idea. Only way to learn is to just dig up the info for your specific look.

Yet again but if you can't tell who is decent/good looking how can you make yourself better looking? Finally, you can't make yourself a 10 overnight or anything that's also bullshit.

Took me a year to go from a 4 to being lets say a 6 or above average or decent looking now, that was just fat loss. I am trying to do a cut and working with different styles now.

Lovin GQ but you can only change your face so much, after a while, you just gotta forget about it and work on other things.

[Giovonny]

(07-03-2012 10:30 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When guys talk about fame... What does "fame" mean?

Fame means that girls see your face on tv or in the newspaper. They see you face on posters and flyers for events. They see you on stage. They see you with the cool crowd. They hear other girls talk about you. They all want to go to your facebook page to check you out.

(07-03-2012 10:30 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

So when guys talk about fame > game, it's largely a troll job. It's a passive-aggressive way to shit talk game. It contributes nothing towards the discussion.

Here's why I think fame is relevant to our discussion:

If you really want to get a lot of pussy, you will cultivate some level of fame.

Having your picture in the newspaper and getting interviewed on tv will cause girls to come looking for you. I achieved this through sports. I have friends who have achieved this through music, one is in a band, one is a rapper. They both have groupies. Another friend of a friend is a pro skateboarder, girls throw him their number at skate events. Girls are contacting these guys all the time on facebook.

Gene Simmons talks about creating a band for the money and girls. Lionel Richie said he started The Commodores for the girls.

Smart men find ways to make women chase them.

Whenever I consider a new job, I also consider the access to women. Will this job increase or decrease my access and proximity to cute girls? Will this job increase my status with these women? I really think about that shit. I don't only want to make money, I also want to be paid in pussy.

That's why I bartented for a while, then I started working at colleges and universities. These jobs gave me access and status.

When I was playing basketball in college I always thought about the pussy I would get if I worked hard. The guys who sit the bench don't get as much pussy as the guys who play alot. This motivated me. They guys who get interviewed on tv get the most pussy. I worked my ass off to become one of those guys. I wanted the fame, because fame brought pussy.

The times in my life when I was getting the most and highest quality pussy, it wasn't because of my game, it was because of fame.

If you want girls chasing you and girls looking to meet you and girls eager to be around you, develop some level of fame. You don't have to be an international superstar like Justin Bieber, you can just be in a local band that plays at local clubs, you can bartend at a hot club/bar in town, you can become a dj and get onto the party scene, you can play ball at your school, you can get onto the radio at your school.

Anything that will bring you a little fame will also bring you some pussy.

Why not try something?

[Veindarlin]

Telling someone to play ball at their school is just unrealistic. If you were not recruited to play football or basketball, you probably won't be playing for your school, especially if it is D-1A.

[Giovonny]

I'm talking about high school.

If you love to play ball and you love girls, work hard, get really good, and the girls will come to you.

[Veindarlin]

Wish my high school had a basketball or football program........

Ah well, I am an upper classmen in college now, unrealistic dream is unrealistic.