[Veindarlin]

I have a question for guys who claim that with money you don't even need game or anything.

Online there are a large group of people who say that Asian men struggle with women, yet if you look at census findings or whatever, Asian men on average make more money than any other kind of men in this country, so why is it that they supposedly struggle with women here?

[Giovonny]

Find another way.

Dj, school news program, acting in school shows, music, party promoting, radio, bartending, dancing,

Something has to be realistic for you. How can you stand out from the crowd???

[Veindarlin]

(07-04-2012 10:26 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Find another way.

Dj, school news program, acting in school shows, music, party promoting, radio, bartending, dancing,

Something has to be realistic for you. How can you stand out from the crowd???

rushing a fraternity this fall

[Giovonny]

There you go! Strive to be one of the leaders of the frat so you get all the freshmen pussy!

Don't frats hire DJ's sometimes? Why can't you be the DJ and take pictures with all the girls hanging around the DJ booth. Create a facebook page as "DJ Veindarlin" . Post the pics with the girls. DJ for other frats and sororities. Make posters with your face on it. See where I'm going with this? The possibilities are endless.

Find a niche and exploit it!

[Veindarlin]

Being that I am an upper classman joining one as opposed to joining one early, it is going to be a huge climb up the ladder.

[joehoya]

I'm not going to get into the whole fame thing, but I will talk about money.

I have several friends that are in the 7, and 8 figure net worth (and a few associates in the 9 figure realm). The thing about money and pulling women is that a million dollars doesn't come with an instruction booklet on how to use it to get pussy.

I have a buddy that has to be worth over $20 mil. The guy, when he does get laid, is banging 5's and 6's at best. Why? Because he is socially awkward and refuses to leave silicon valley. The only reason why he isn't married to some 200lb wicca chick is because he has $20 mil. If he was still working as a software engineer with some tech company making $150K+ Miss 200lb is the best he would pull.

I have another buddy of about the same net worth that pulls 8's and higher easily. He has let me listen to voicemails from chicks who would be a 9 in anyone's book whining on the phone about why hasn't he called them back, or dropping none to subtle hints that they are DTF as soon as he gets in town. I've seen him get stalked by chicks that most guys (even guys with game) would saw their arm off to be with.

The difference? This guy not only has game, but he knows HOW to use his money. Money buys you ACCESS. Money isn't just about going to a club and ordering Cristal. Money allows you to go to places that have a high number of 8's and 9's and hang in that circle. Think about it. How many 8's and 9's do you see in an average week, or even at the average club. What if you had the funds to go to places where there were 10 times as many 8's and 9's?

I still remember when my one buddy got an invite to a party that was happening in a few days. He decided to got to it. The catch? The party was in Iceland. FUCKING ICELAND. This dude has the lifestyle that allows him to drop everything and hop on a plane to Iceland just because he heard there was a fly party there. He showed me pics of the party and there wasn't a fattie in sight.

Money also buys you a LIFESTYLE. The key is rather than using that money to buy women shit, you use it to have the lifestyle that a woman wants to be a part of. My buddy doesn't buy women shit unless it is to serve his needs. He won't just buy a woman jewelry or shit like that to win her affection. However, he has been known to buy a woman a designer gown because she was going to be his date for an event and he needed her to dress at a certain level.

That subtle difference has a huge effect on a woman's psyche. In a way, it is a gift and a neg at the same time. She is getting this gorgeous gown and shoes, but not because the guy is begging for her approval, but because she needs it just to be presentable when being a part of this guy's lifestyle. In effect, the dress is a tacit acknowledgement that he is of higher value and social standing than her. She has to be "cleaned up" to be presentable. All of the chicks he is with know how easily they can be replaced.

Remember my friend being able to fly to Iceland? How do you think it effects a woman when she finds out that you had the ability to just fly from NYC (where he is based) to Iceland simply because you felt like going to a party? That type of move is an automatic DHV and women WILL tell their friends.

[MikeCF]

(07-04-2012 02:54 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'm not going to get into the whole fame thing, but I will talk about money.

I have several friends that are in the 7, and 8 figure net worth (and a few associates in the 9 figure realm). The thing about money and pulling women is that a million dollars doesn't come with an instruction booklet on how to use it to get pussy.

I have a buddy that has to be worth over $20 mil. The guy, when he does get laid, is banging 5's and 6's at best. Why? Because he is socially awkward and refuses to leave silicon valley. The only reason why he isn't married to some 200lb wicca chick is because he has $20 mil. If he was still working as a software engineer with some tech company making $150K+ Miss 200lb is the best he would pull.

I have another buddy of about the same net worth that pulls 8's and higher easily. He has let me listen to voicemails from chicks who would be a 9 in anyone's book whining on the phone about why hasn't he called them back, or dropping none to subtle hints that they are DTF as soon as he gets in town. I've seen him get stalked by chicks that most guys (even guys with game) would saw their arm off to be with.

The difference? This guy not only has game, but he knows HOW to use his money. Money buys you ACCESS. Money isn't just about going to a club and ordering Cristal. Money allows you to go to places that have a high number of 8's and 9's and hang in that circle. Think about it. How many 8's and 9's do you see in an average week, or even at the average club. What if you had the funds to go to places where there were 10 times as many 8's and 9's?

I still remember when my one buddy got an invite to a party that was happening in a few days. He decided to got to it. The catch? The party was in Iceland. FUCKING ICELAND. This dude has the lifestyle that allows him to drop everything and hop on a plane to Iceland just because he heard there was a fly party there. He showed me pics of the party and there wasn't a fattie in sight.

Money also buys you a LIFESTYLE. The key is rather than using that money to buy women shit, you use it to have the lifestyle that a woman wants to be a part of. My buddy doesn't buy women shit unless it is to serve his needs. He won't just buy a woman jewelry or shit like that to win her affection. However, he has been known to buy a woman a designer gown because she was going to be his date for an event and he needed her to dress at a certain level.

That subtle difference has a huge effect on a woman's psyche. In a way, it is a gift and a neg at the same time. She is getting this gorgeous gown and shoes, but not because the guy is begging for her approval, but because she needs it just to be presentable when being a part of this guy's lifestyle. In effect, the dress is a tacit acknowledgement that he is of higher value and social standing than her. She has to be "cleaned up" to be presentable. All of the chicks he is with know how easily they can be replaced.

Remember my friend being able to fly to Iceland? How do you think it effects a woman when she finds out that you had the ability to just fly from NYC (where he is based) to Iceland simply because you felt like going to a party? That type of move is an automatic DHV and women WILL tell their friends.

Now that's legit.

[Veloce]

(07-04-2012 03:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 02:54 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'm not going to get into the whole fame thing, but I will talk about money.

I have several friends that are in the 7, and 8 figure net worth (and a few associates in the 9 figure realm). The thing about money and pulling women is that a million dollars doesn't come with an instruction booklet on how to use it to get pussy.

I have a buddy that has to be worth over $20 mil. The guy, when he does get laid, is banging 5's and 6's at best. Why? Because he is socially awkward and refuses to leave silicon valley. The only reason why he isn't married to some 200lb wicca chick is because he has $20 mil. If he was still working as a software engineer with some tech company making $150K+ Miss 200lb is the best he would pull.

I have another buddy of about the same net worth that pulls 8's and higher easily. He has let me listen to voicemails from chicks who would be a 9 in anyone's book whining on the phone about why hasn't he called them back, or dropping none to subtle hints that they are DTF as soon as he gets in town. I've seen him get stalked by chicks that most guys (even guys with game) would saw their arm off to be with.

The difference? This guy not only has game, but he knows HOW to use his money. Money buys you ACCESS. Money isn't just about going to a club and ordering Cristal. Money allows you to go to places that have a high number of 8's and 9's and hang in that circle. Think about it. How many 8's and 9's do you see in an average week, or even at the average club. What if you had the funds to go to places where there were 10 times as many 8's and 9's?

I still remember when my one buddy got an invite to a party that was happening in a few days. He decided to got to it. The catch? The party was in Iceland. FUCKING ICELAND. This dude has the lifestyle that allows him to drop everything and hop on a plane to Iceland just because he heard there was a fly party there. He showed me pics of the party and there wasn't a fattie in sight.

Money also buys you a LIFESTYLE. The key is rather than using that money to buy women shit, you use it to have the lifestyle that a woman wants to be a part of. My buddy doesn't buy women shit unless it is to serve his needs. He won't just buy a woman jewelry or shit like that to win her affection. However, he has been known to buy a woman a designer gown because she was going to be his date for an event and he needed her to dress at a certain level.

That subtle difference has a huge effect on a woman's psyche. In a way, it is a gift and a neg at the same time. She is getting this gorgeous gown and shoes, but not because the guy is begging for her approval, but because she needs it just to be presentable when being a part of this guy's lifestyle. In effect, the dress is a tacit acknowledgement that he is of higher value and social standing than her. She has to be "cleaned up" to be presentable. All of the chicks he is with know how easily they can be replaced.

Remember my friend being able to fly to Iceland? How do you think it effects a woman when she finds out that you had the ability to just fly from NYC (where he is based) to Iceland simply because you felt like going to a party? That type of move is an automatic DHV and women WILL tell their friends.

Now that's legit.

Agreed. Very inspiring. Thanks for sharing that.

[Gringuito]

As the others have said this is 100% correct. I wish your second friend would write a book on how he created that life.

(07-04-2012 02:54 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

I'm not going to get into the whole fame thing, but I will talk about money.

I have several friends that are in the 7, and 8 figure net worth (and a few associates in the 9 figure realm). The thing about money and pulling women is that a million dollars doesn't come with an instruction booklet on how to use it to get pussy.

I have a buddy that has to be worth over $20 mil. The guy, when he does get laid, is banging 5's and 6's at best. Why? Because he is socially awkward and refuses to leave silicon valley. The only reason why he isn't married to some 200lb wicca chick is because he has $20 mil. If he was still working as a software engineer with some tech company making $150K+ Miss 200lb is the best he would pull.

I have another buddy of about the same net worth that pulls 8's and higher easily. He has let me listen to voicemails from chicks who would be a 9 in anyone's book whining on the phone about why hasn't he called them back, or dropping none to subtle hints that they are DTF as soon as he gets in town. I've seen him get stalked by chicks that most guys (even guys with game) would saw their arm off to be with.

The difference? This guy not only has game, but he knows HOW to use his money. Money buys you ACCESS. Money isn't just about going to a club and ordering Cristal. Money allows you to go to places that have a high number of 8's and 9's and hang in that circle. Think about it. How many 8's and 9's do you see in an average week, or even at the average club. What if you had the funds to go to places where there were 10 times as many 8's and 9's?

I still remember when my one buddy got an invite to a party that was happening in a few days. He decided to got to it. The catch? The party was in Iceland. FUCKING ICELAND. This dude has the lifestyle that allows him to drop everything and hop on a plane to Iceland just because he heard there was a fly party there. He showed me pics of the party and there wasn't a fattie in sight.

Money also buys you a LIFESTYLE. The key is rather than using that money to buy women shit, you use it to have the lifestyle that a woman wants to be a part of. My buddy doesn't buy women shit unless it is to serve his needs. He won't just buy a woman jewelry or shit like that to win her affection. However, he has been known to buy a woman a designer gown because she was going to be his date for an event and he needed her to dress at a certain level.

That subtle difference has a huge effect on a woman's psyche. In a way, it is a gift and a neg at the same time. She is getting this gorgeous gown and shoes, but not because the guy is begging for her approval, but because she needs it just to be presentable when being a part of this guy's lifestyle. In effect, the dress is a tacit acknowledgement that he is of higher value and social standing than her. She has to be "cleaned up" to be presentable. All of the chicks he is with know how easily they can be replaced.

Remember my friend being able to fly to Iceland? How do you think it effects a woman when she finds out that you had the ability to just fly from NYC (where he is based) to Iceland simply because you felt like going to a party? That type of move is an automatic DHV and women WILL tell their friends.

[Deb Auchery]

Money also buys you a LIFESTYLE. The key is rather than using that money to buy women shit, you use it to have the lifestyle that a woman wants to be a part of. My buddy doesn't buy women shit unless it is to serve his needs. He won't just buy a woman jewelry or shit like that to win her affection. However, he has been known to buy a woman a designer gown because she was going to be his date for an event and he needed her to dress at a certain level.

Very true, it's like when someone starts at McDonalds, they get a uniform.

[Roosh]

Joehoya: The question is... what are some things you can do to get access if you do have the money? How does your friend get the invite? What kind of circles does he try to roll in?

[joehoya]

(07-04-2012 04:35 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Joehoya: The question is... what are some things you can do to get access if you do have the money? How does your friend get the invite? What kind of circles does he try to roll in?

Some of my answers are based on what I KNOW he does and some are based on what I suspect he does. I haven't asked him to break down everything he does because 1) I am not at his level financially, so much of it would be of little value and 2) because of point 1, digging too deep would feel like our relationship would be shifting from me being his friend to me being his fanboy.

First what I know he does:
The biggest factor I see is that this guy has a wide international circle of friends who also have a similar level of financial success, either earned or inherited. He has met a bunch of them through school (undergrad and grad school) when he was younger, and through various business dealings. He has also told me that if he sees the same guy at three different types of events (e.g. a business deal, a party with other friends, and a social club) he takes it as "a sign from God" that he should get to know this guy.

A lot of the party invites (like the one in Iceland) are based on these friendships with other people of this caliber. When these guys have parties, they aren't sausage fests like the average American club. The quality of women is high and ratios are good because all of these girls are fighting for the same limited number of high value dudes. He told me about one party where the host (not him) told a fairly attractive girl that she could only come if she brought 2 attractive friends, and she did. The women deal with it because they know that while the quantity of guys at these events isn't as good as a club, the quality is through the roof.

Second, he leverages his relationship with one person to establish new relationships with others. This is the case with both men and women. So in the case of men, a friend of his in Miami might introduce him to a guy from Brazil and another guy from Mexico. That guy from Brazil might introduce him to 3 other guys from Brazil, and/or a guy from Argentina, and so on. He does the same with women, I know for a fact that he has boned the hot friends of most of the women he has dated. These girls show off their rich boyfriend to all of their friends and the moment they breakup the friends are trying to contact him.

So this guy is a master at creating new social circles.

Now for something that I have observed:
I don't know about other cities, but it seems like there is this circuit for beautiful women in NYC who want to meet well off men. Another buddy of mine, who works in finance mentioned the same thing. I am pretty sure that he is somehow hooked into this circuit (if it exists).

I do know that there are several beautiful women in NYC that have dated (i.e. fucked) a bunch of wealthy guys. I actually met one while I was hanging with my friend. The moment she ascertained that I wasn't a baller at the level my friend was I might as well have been the janitor. My buddy blew her off (said she was a lousy lay) because we were having lunch together.

When she left, he said "The bitch has probably had a quarter of a billion dollars worth of cock inside her AT LEAST, and she is still living the same shitty life she had 3 years ago." Apparently, she has fucked a bunch of hedge fund guys and other big money finance guys, but none of them have been willing to marry her. He just couldn't stop laughing at the idea that she was just going to be a millionaire cum depository until her looks finally gave out.

Now for something I SUSPECT he does, but have not confirmed:
One of the powerful things about having money is that you have something that almost everyone else needs. I know that he has mentioned considering investing in bars/restaurants/nightclubs before. I personally think that he is bullshitting about actually doing it. Instead, I think he uses it as a carrot to get favors/special treatment from club owners and other guys who have access to the hottest women.

I am sure that there is a bunch of other shit he does that I don't know about, but I am going to save digging further until I am closer to his level (or at least at the mid 7 figure mark).

[Seduction Sutra]

[Screwston]

The only way to get 9's and 10's if you're not a crazy baller, have celebrity status or look like a model is to go after younger girls who don't realize what they're worth yet.

[Architekt]

(07-12-2012 10:56 PM)houston Wrote:  

The only way to get 9's and 10's if you're not a crazy baller, have celebrity status or look like a model is to go after younger girls who don't realize what they're worth yet.

In recent times, I've found it hard to rate an older women as highly as a younger woman anyway. Old, saggy flesh just has NOTHING on young, supple flesh.

[Veloce]

Update here.

Some of this comes from my years in L.A. and in the hospitality industry. Some of it comes from my observations at nightclubs here. And it's reinforced by what I saw today.

Today I saw 2 9.5s. I'm not kidding, and I don't say that lightly. Those are L.A. standards talking too. They were both hotter than any porn star I've ever seen, on screen or in real life (I've been to a few conventions). They were both hotter than many models I've seen. Sometimes models are beautiful, but not HOT. They don't have that feminine, fiery substance, whatever it is.

The scene: I'm grilling on the rooftop of a private boutique hotel in West Hollywood. I'm the chef here, and it's some schtick thing we do. Towards the end of the shift, this girl walks by, it's pointless to describe here. She paused with her companions while they figured out where to hang out, so I really got a good look at her. I was looking for imperfections. Literally, none. Pretty sure the tits were fake but I don't care about that unlike some guys. About 5'8", amazing skin, tan, hair, eyes, face, legs, waist to hip ratio. I instantly felt a deep pang within me, a desire to grab this girl and jump off the roof and hope for the best. I would ravage this girl 10 times a day given the opportunity.

Now, almost more importantly, the guy she was with: Holy shit this mofo was a whole other breed. He was a fucking alpha gorilla mixed with a peacock of the highest order. He looked like a slightly aging UFC fighter. Big motherfucker, must have been 6'5" and about 3 of me wide. Balding just slightly at the crown. Get this: his hair was slicked back, died ORANGE, he was wearing a PURPLE print shirt (maybe Ed Hardy or Affliction) and was wearing BRIGHT PINK high top sneakers. He kept his palm firmly planted on this smoking hot girl's ass, and with good reason. Everyone on the rooftop was staring at her. Orange, purple, and pink. On this huge dude. Lesson learned.

On my way down to the main kitchen, I see a couple blondes coming the other way. I make an excuse to get on the elevator with them, one is a wrinkled old hag and the other is a solid 9.5 blonde. Body just like the other girls, but this one's tits were definitely real. Great C cup. Dark eyes, died blonde hair, just a fucking....perfect face and body. That feeling inside kept going, my body ached to throw this bitch over my shoulder and run for the fucking hills. The elevator went down first before going up, and when we stopped at the lobby by mistake, I said "Otra vez" since they were speaking spanish. They repeated it and laughed, gave me a positive reaction. I struck up some small talk in spanish, "De donde son..." Hag lady was peruvian, the blonde was, you guessed it, Argentinian. I kept up the small talk in the best spanish I could, chiding myself for my limited grammar but they were saying I was pretty good. Got to the rooftop and off they went to meet up with their eurotrash friends that I can't mingle with because I'm at fucking work.

However, lessons learned: 1) Spend money on flambuoyant clothing. It's not "me" but I don't give a shit. If that's the language I have to speak to get a reaction from the 9+ girls, I'll do it in a heartbeat. 2) Hit the gym hard. I've been in workout limbo due to work, but I have to make time to get some bulk. Gotta do it gotta do it gotta do it.... 3) Access. gotta start hitting pool parties this summer, look for exclusive venues where I have an "in". Network.

Same shit we always talk about on the forums, but it's one thing to be typing it out and reading from other forum members, and seeing this shit in real life, in front of you. Not all the best game in the world would help me get these two broads, not game alone. Physical appearance and size, peacock factor, social circle, and access. These are the biggest challenges to take on this year if I'm gonna have a chance at the premium pussy.

Edited: Where does money come in all this? Well, clothing for one. Despite the douchey bullshit the dude was wearing I'm sure it wasn't cheap. I'm also sure he's not living in a dumpy little studio. I'm sure he's a complete package of alpha gorilla, peacock, and baller all in one. But as it's been said over and over and over: most of the people on that rooftop are rich, it's a private club after all, and less than 5% are with girls I'd consider hot. Money in and of itself means shit. It's what you do with that money: upgrade your wardrobe, upgrade your living situation, your car, your personal trainer, your tan, your vacations, your free time. This is what matters. That peacock gorilla? I can't even imagine how many girls throw themselves at him WHILE he's got this smoking hot piece of ass on his arm. Shit, most girls I know would KILL to fuck this girl with a strapon or bump clams on her, how do you think they feel about the dude she's with? They'd ditch their boyfriend at home and risk a whole lot just to bend over and take it hard and deep from this guy.

[NewGamer]

Just wanted to throw in a couple of my own comments here.

The fact that the guy dresses that flamboyantly and looks like a joker is because he has the 9.5 with him. I'm positive, he didn't get the girl because he dresses like that.He dresses like that because he has the girl. Big difference.

If you have a girl like that, you can dress however you want and people won't say a thing because you got the hottest girl with your arm around her ass.

Also, like you said money is a huge factor. This chick is probably high-maintenance. This guy can afford all that shit, get her into the best hotels, best restaurants etc and she gives him what he wants in return.

With money comes status and a change in your social circle.Change in social circle leads you to the elite eventually giving you access to 9s and 9.5s and top-shelf pussy.

Bottom Line: Money talks!

[Vitriol]

(07-15-2012 07:37 PM)NewGamer Wrote:  

Also, like you said money is a huge factor. This chick is probably high-maintenance. This guy can afford all that shit, get her into the best hotels, best restaurants etc and she gives him what he wants in return.

I think we should step back for a minute and ask ourselves what kind of personality an American female that "requires" all this shit is like. She's probably an absolute nightmare to be around for more than an hour or two.

Although I'd also be curious to hear any experiences that would prove me wrong.

[RawGod]

(07-15-2012 06:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

However, lessons learned: 1) Spend money on flambuoyant clothing. It's not "me" but I don't give a shit. If that's the language I have to speak to get a reaction from the 9+ girls, I'll do it in a heartbeat. 2) Hit the gym hard. I've been in workout limbo due to work, but I have to make time to get some bulk. Gotta do it gotta do it gotta do it.... 3) Access. gotta start hitting pool parties this summer, look for exclusive venues where I have an "in". Network.

The guy didn't get the girl because of his flamboyant attire. If you want to be congruent with that kind of appearance, you'll have to change your whole identity. I couldn't guess what his job was, but it probably is consistent with the outrageous confidence he shows in his dress - dealmaker of some kind, business owner, producer, ex wrestler etc. The kind of job that is part of his alpha persona. You can't fake it.

Sure, peacock a bit if you like. And DEFINITELY hit the gym. But I think the best thing you should do is come up with a 5-10 year plan for your life which will culminate in being the true alpha mofo in the room even not saying a word and dressed in sweat pants.

[WestCoast]

I want to call this out because there seems to be some strange obsession in landing a "9+ or a 10". I have no doubt this means the person in question has never "kept" a 9 or a 10 before for a very long time. Truth is those 9's and 10's are CUNTS to deal with. They have 2 personality types 1.Complete bitch (need super strong game at all times) 2.Ridiculously insecure. They are fucked up in the head because their entire life they are treated ENTIRELY differently from the normal human population

In addition, I told one of the young dudes on this forum that back about a year or 2 ago I had the "best and worst" month of my life that really changed everything for me.

Upside?I fucked a 9+ within 4 hours. Luck? Yeah a ton of it, the suns, stars, moons all alligned everything in the game handbook somehow occurred and i had "super status" for the night. God himself must have been taking a cat nap.

Downside? Exactly 2 weeks later at the same venue I over drank and fucked a 2. Ugliest girl i ever had contact with and vowed I would never get that drunk again.

What's the point though? There is no such thing as premium pussy. You absolutely will get tired of the bitch over time no matter what.

The second part of this thread seems to be "how to get access". This is another catch 22 because as you should already know "girls bring more girls". If you want to pull the 9's on the regular you NEED a harem. I only know one guy who does this, I have never seen him go home alone. Problem is he's got so much going for him doubt many people on this forum could ever compete. He's a 9, just as much game as me, way more money than me $1M in the bank and he's in his "correct years" he looks 29-31 age range. He has fucked so many girls I have seen girls straight up walk up to him and say "I know you're a player but I want to suck your dick tonight" It's straight retarded. Once you get the "reputation" it's shooting fish in the barrel.

The third unspoken word here is resentment for your 9/10. This may be my own personal shit but i can't BELIEVE how easy their lives are. It's disgusting. Hot girls don't have to do ANYTHING. You know that SAT test? Yeah there is a nerd who will risk his entire academic life to take it for her. You know that job you work crazy hours to get paid 100K+? Yeah she gets that working 15 hours a week as a bartender. The only thing this girl does is practice looking hot. That's it.

If we must have a "way" to get those 9+'s consistently i'll tell you the real solution, you need to become that guy. Very few people on here even have a shot at that to be honest. Essentially you have to change your mindset while obtaining a high paying career. The mindset is "you're not trying to get access to the 9+" the 9+ will come to you because you're such a G everyone knows you. Ie: a "higher level of game"

I've got a mini version of this going, certain venues i don't wait in line, i don't have to order my drink, i don't have to do squat and everyone notices it but this is small scale and took multiple years to achieve. The worst part though? When you move cities you have to start it alllll over again.

Remember you can't "fake" being a baller because you need to be in order to create that environment!

(07-15-2012 06:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

However, lessons learned: 1) Spend money on flambuoyant clothing. It's not "me" but I don't give a shit. If that's the language I have to speak to get a reaction from the 9+ girls, I'll do it in a heartbeat. 2) Hit the gym hard. I've been in workout limbo due to work, but I have to make time to get some bulk. Gotta do it gotta do it gotta do it.... 3) Access. gotta start hitting pool parties this summer, look for exclusive venues where I have an "in". Network.

Same shit we always talk about on the forums, but it's one thing to be typing it out and reading from other forum members, and seeing this shit in real life, in front of you. Not all the best game in the world would help me get these two broads, not game alone. Physical appearance and size, peacock factor, social circle, and access. These are the biggest challenges to take on this year if I'm gonna have a chance at the premium pussy.

[OGNorCal707]

(07-15-2012 09:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

If we must have a "way" to get those 9+'s consistently i'll tell you the real solution, you need to become that guy. Very few people on here even have a shot at that to be honest. Essentially you have to change your mindset while obtaining a high paying career. The mindset is "you're not trying to get access to the 9+" the 9+ will come to you because you're such a G everyone knows you. Ie: a "higher level of game"

Tariq Nasheed says you got to be a dime to get a dime, and I think that's largely the truth. Women that are truly 9+ on the scale can be that picky because they have their pick of the liter when it comes to men. A woman that hot doesn't need to compromise, she can have the multi-millionaire, the tall, buff, handsome guy with male model looks, she can have the professional athletes, etc.

The thing is most guys are limited in their ability to reach that next level due to genetics, circumstance, etc. Not to make everything about looks, height, and money, but they make a huge difference.

A guy who is 5 ft 6 in. can't grow 6 in., the guy who is skin and bones can hit the gym, but chances are he'll never be completely huge and ripped unless he takes steroids due to his genetics. Some guys just aren't that handsome, sure they can get a good hair cut, take care of their skin, have impeccable grooming, and wear nice clothes, but that's not going to change the fact that they're just not that handsome.

So what's the point, the whole point of game as far as I'm concerned is to be your best self, at least thinking about game on a holistic level. You might not be able to grow 6 in. or get as huge as NFL linebacker, but you can go to the gym, eat right, wear nice clothes, develop your social skills, build a nice business, etc.

Try to max out your potential in every category. At the end of the day I'm a pragmatist, I don't think it's feasible for every guy out there to land a super hot HB 9 chick. Maybe at certain points in history social ties between families or the promise of a man with a good stable job, would bring men with less looks and qualities together with a woman that hot, but not in this day in age.

Men pursue women, while they just sit back and do the choosing, they have a huge field of men to choose from, and pick the "best one" they can find. As a man you're competing against a shit ton of other men for the top tier women, whether you are conciously aware of it or not.

In order to land women that are 8.5+ on the scale you got to either match that in looks, have high status, a great lifestyle (wealth $), or your game has got to be on a super human level.

I believe these to be the facts of life.

[XXL]

(07-15-2012 09:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Truth is those 9's and 10's are CUNTS to deal with. They have 2 personality types 1.Complete bitch (need super strong game at all times) 2.Ridiculously insecure. They are fucked up in the head because their entire life they are treated ENTIRELY differently from the normal human population

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IME it's hard and easy at the same time. it's hard cause you have to have access to them (not only nightclubs cause that's not that hard). and it's easy at the same time cause you're the only guy who can fuck her (if we're talking about sassy/bitchy ones). no one else can. no one can handle their bitchy attitude cause they care and want her to be nice to them. they don't get it that a hot chick dissing them playfuly but still harshly wants to check if she can fuck them, so they they're affected and devoured. it's just too big wall for guys to pass. and ironically this wall is so easy to pass. all it takes is to go iceberg slim on her aka be ice cold/gangster/dictator ie: never being impressed, questioning her, not giving a fuck, treating her like a brat.. basically being chill and 100% unaffected no matter what she does/says. that's it. it's like a cheat code in video game or something like that, you type it in and boom! you're bulletproof (so her verbal bullets bounce off you).

maybe i posted this before but that's very good and short guide. start at 4:30:

after this frame battle she's super nice. then you just have to be normal and talk. nothing special. you're in so there's no need to game her. in fact gaming her more will mess things up cause it only reveals your entitlement issues and she's likely to go back to shittesting. so being normal. that's your DHV.

i also love how they're the most secure and insecure people in the world. secure cause everything will be always given to them. but insecure cause their whole value is determined only by their looks. you point soemthing out and insecurity start to come out of her. like here, watch this, it's fucking awesome, that's how hotties need to be handled (even though she's rather chill girl she feels too good about herself still)

(07-15-2012 09:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

The second part of this thread seems to be "how to get access". This is another catch 22 because as you should already know "girls bring more girls". If you want to pull the 9's on the regular you NEED a harem.

sort of..

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as for best nightclubs access, it's all about bringing hot girls with you. one thing is key here and everybody ignores it - screening. the best bet is to meet/screen girls and focus on those hot ones who like to go out a lot. that's why IMO solo game is limited. when i go solo i'm solo for short period of time. plenty of times when i went out solo i was taking hot girls from street or from the same line to the club just to be able to get in the hot venue.

it's so fucking $$$, like i'm all alone, i deliberately stand in line near hotties, my turn comes up to enter, i say hi good evening to door selection, i say i brought few girls with me and point out these hotties behind me and the guy is like "wow, of course, here you go sir" and i turn around shouting "hey girls let's go!!!" and they instantly follow me everytime with excitement (no confusion/questions). inside we talk a bit have a few laughs and i split to explore the venue. and people just watched me entering the spot with 2-4 hot hot chicks already. sweet! i love this jedi mind trick.

so basically no excuse. full go getter mode

[WestCoast]

I agree with pretty much all of what OG is saying and agree with a lot of what XXL wrote here. The one thing I'd add is to "consistently" pull those 9+ girls you really do need the lifestyle etc. Sure access is great but the high amount of effort needed is just ridiculous.

Then again I am not doing the "game" community any favors since I really don't care if the girl is a "10". Of course I have standards but I don't really care if she's a 9+ or whatever. I simply say "yea or no" in my head and then go chat them up. Guess I should raise my bar even "higher" but really I could care less, not much can be done!

[Veloce]

I hear everything you guys are saying, and believe me I know all this. I know where I stand in the social strata. What I refuse to believe though is this attitude of, "Oh, those girls are so bitchy/fake/superficial/shitty you don't want to be with her anyway." I have no desire to put a ring on it or even make it breakfast. I wanna get these bitches on their knees and make their face a glazed donut and get it all on film to boot. I'll send them on their merry way right the fuck out of my hotel room with bruises on her ass and call in the next one.

Congruency is a funny thing. If you would have asked me 6 years ago if I'd be able to walk into a bar and approach 10 beautiful women I would have laughed and said no. "That's not me! I'm too shy!" Now? That shit is on the reg.

If you ask me now if I can see myself in pink high tops, I'd laugh and say no. "That's not me, I don't peacock like that!" To me, game is a balancing act of working on the CORE, the body, the personality, the mind, the financial situation, the place in society, but it's also about reaching out and going beyond your comfort zone, doing things that you would normally say, "I don't do that!"

How to do this? Well, I gotta bust my ass on my career, which I'm currently doing. This shit better pay off. It's never been a better time to be a chef, this celebrity thing is blowing up. They're casting for that show Chopped in L.A... fuck it, maybe i'll go for it...

I don't mean to glorify hot women, I realize in my original post that's how it comes across. Pussy is pussy. But not to sound jaded, I just don't get a thrill in approaching 7s anymore. I want that exhiliration of approaching the drop dead hottest woman in a city block, and I want to win.

[WestCoast]

Yeah you get the idea then no worries. Once you get that drop dead girl to hook up with you I want to hear the PM deets of the aftermath... You know like:

1. All apartment windows opened "permanently"
2. Calls your boss to see if you are at work
3. Sends a spy out to cockblock you if you don't call her back
4. Breaks your car window
5. Hacks your computer
6. Tries to get into your bank account

You know the good things about having a 9 like you.

I had that same mentality where I wanted that 9 so badly. Then she almost hit me with her daddy's paid for escalade... Thanks but no thanks.