[Veindarlin]

The hands down worst advice I have ever read and fallen victim to was "just approach".

That advice does not work at all for your average guy getting into PUA because the chances are he is

1. probably out of shape or overweight
2. doesn't have many social skills
3. has no sense of style either

I have been there so I can speak for myself and some of my friends who are starting out right now. Sure with reading some game and learning social skills I did manage to get a few numbers but the girls were 4s and 5s, I was a 5 back then because I was chubby, had NO STYLE, and nothing interesting about myself. It was not until I went to the gym, lost some weight, worked on a sense of style, and THEN got myself out there (going to events, talking to guys and girls at the same time, etc.) that I really started dating the 7s.

I have not had a really beautiful girl in bed with me but I am in my early 20s so no telling where that might go. Reality is that GAME is complimentary.

It is like the legs on a body, sure you need your legs to walk with and run with but the body has to be there too. If you are playing WOW 24/7 and are obese, put down the books and seduction manuals and hit the gym.

Work on yourself and then put the work into action.

I didn't learn that earlier, result?

Ended up having too many creepy moments.

[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 01:54 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

• Game should be developed in between the pursuit of Financial Success and Fitness.
  

I strive to work on all 3 simultaneously, sort of like what Roosh has done.

I like how fame and fishbowl are becoming bigger and bigger topics.

[Giovonny]

(07-03-2012 01:56 PM)Veindarlin Wrote:  

The hands down worst advice I have ever read and fallen victim to was "just approach".

Yeah, you have to work on everything at the same time. And, more specifically then that, you have to eliminate your biggest weaknesses first. Most guys have 2 or 3 MAJOR weaknesses and 2 or 3 minor weaknesses. Spend more time on the majors. These are more important, these are your biggest obstacles. Girls will forgive you for some minor mistakes, but large mistakes that the whole world can see are deal breakers. These are things like:

Being obese
Being a disgusting slob
Dressing like a retard

Being uncomfortable around people
Being uncomfortable around women
Being anti-social

Drug problems
Living on your moms couch at 31
Self-esteem issues

Being able to hold a conversation.
Self destructive laziness and lack of ambition.
No income

These are major issues and you should fix these issues before spending time on more complex stuff like day game, 2 sets, and closing.

Start with your biggest fundamental weakness and work up from there.

(07-03-2012 01:57 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

I like how fame and fishbowl are becoming bigger and bigger topics.

Fame and fishbowl selection are things that can attract women to us. We can't spend all our time chasing them. Smart men are devising ways to get girls to chase them!!!

I remember Lionel Richie saying he started a band to get hot chicks. Gene Simmons said he started KISS because of the money and women.

This is high level game thinking. I strive to be like those guys, On top!

[WestCoast]

"Being uncomfortable around people
Being uncomfortable around women
Being anti-social"

To play devils advocate Gio how does one improve social skills without forcing yourself to talk to people? I only improved by taking baby approach steps

1. Talk to 10 people at a bar
2. Talk to 100+ people make one friend
3. Talk to 10 women
4. Talk to 100+ women get one number
5. Talk to 1,000 women get on slay etc.

Now I only talk to girls when I go out(except for the sugar baby crap I shared with you)

I see no way to improve social dynamics without socializing, ie approaching?

Great list btw, I think the bigges thing missing from that list is:
"making excuses- why me complaining"

[Giovonny]

You're right. If social/conversational skills are your biggest weakness, then you must force yourself to talk to people.

My point is just to work on everything at the same time, with a little more time spend on major issues.

And, to address the OP's question of...Who is banging the 8's, 9's???

I see a few different guys:

Popular guys
Guys with status
Guys who come across as cool and successful

Guys who are big fish in their fishbowl
Small town heros like the high school quarterback
good looking guys with some personality

Guys with a little power/money
Guys who carry themselves like a winner
Guys who have developed their Game

[velkrum]

Game is

1. Learning how to get people to like you in a short amount of time.
2. Having and maintaining a good reputation.

Game needs to be tweaked for:

• specific people
• different genders
• specific purposes
• specific occasions

The best order to learn game is

1. learn how to make friends with the same gender.
2. Learn how to keep friends.
3. learn how to talk to ugly girls
4. learn how to talk to older women
5. learn how to talk to cute girls
6. learn how to talk to attractive women

At it's fundamental core, game, is using communication to get people to like you within a short amount of time.

[at350zguyy]

well put, gio and velkrum. i think thats exactly what it boils down to. having good communication skills in general.

[Rurik]

(07-03-2012 02:13 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 01:56 PM)Veindarlin Wrote:  

The hands down worst advice I have ever read and fallen victim to was "just approach".

(07-03-2012 01:57 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

I like how fame and fishbowl are becoming bigger and bigger topics.

Fame and fishbowl selection are things that can attract women to us. We can't spend all our time chasing them. Smart men are devising ways to get girls to chase them!!!

I remember Lionel Richie saying he started a band to get hot chicks. Gene Simmons said he started KISS because of the money and women.

This is high level game thinking. I strive to be like those guys, On top!

Well yeah. that's why I like the fact these topics are being brought up more frequently.

You should check the post I made previously on this thread.

[Rurik]

delete

[Locke]

(07-03-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

soup Wrote:

I'm wondering if fame and game are at odds...

Time spent grinding away after 6-7s could be spent working on something that could make you famous.

• Game should be developed in between the pursuit of Financial Success and Fitness.
  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

[WestCoast]

There are many high status dudes who do not pull bitches. I work with them. They make 4x me, and I pull 40x them(hyperbole, but u get the idea)... They shrivel up when the wife or gf calls.

Game is still needed, all he is saying is pursue game while maxing out $$ and maxing out fitness.

Max out everything.

Look good, feel good, be good.

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

soup Wrote:

I'm wondering if fame and game are at odds...

Time spent grinding away after 6-7s could be spent working on something that could make you famous.

• Game should be developed in between the pursuit of Financial Success and Fitness.
  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

soup Wrote:

I'm wondering if fame and game are at odds...

Time spent grinding away after 6-7s could be spent working on something that could make you famous.

• Game should be developed in between the pursuit of Financial Success and Fitness.
  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You always need Game.

Maybe not in the fuzzy hat, black eyeliner sense of "game" that the internet thinks is "Game".

But real Game with a capital "G".

[MikeCF]

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You don't know many rich guys, do you?

[Locke]

(07-03-2012 06:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You don't know many rich guys, do you?

I said high status, not rich. I'm not talking about engineers making 200K. I guarantee that a guy making a million/year won't be having any problems finding dates even if he is fat (assuming the girl knows he makes around that much). There are plenty of lame dudes as bartenders and DJ's who are swimming in pussy because of their status. Status is the most important thing. Even more important than Money and game, and looks.

[Giovonny]

(07-03-2012 03:40 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

You should check the post I made previously on this thread.

I just did. I think what you said is obviously very true and an underrated part of the game that we don't talk to much about here on the RVF.

Stuff like this..

(07-01-2012 12:34 PM)XXL Wrote:  

- location -
- access -

(07-02-2012 09:52 PM)46. Wrote:  

REGULAR proximity

These things are so important and yet so underratted. No matter what level of game you are. If you have location, access, proximity, (logistics) - You will have much more and much easier success.

Without these things you will have to work much harder.

[Locke]

(07-03-2012 05:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

soup Wrote:

I'm wondering if fame and game are at odds...

Time spent grinding away after 6-7s could be spent working on something that could make you famous.

• Game should be developed in between the pursuit of Financial Success and Fitness.
  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You always need Game.

Maybe not in the fuzzy hat, black eyeliner sense of "game" that the internet thinks is "Game".

But real Game with a capital "G".

This lame guy is not really using any game to get laid by hot women. If a guy is making millions and doesn't look like a complete troll, he is a failure at life if he is not getting consistent women especially good looking ones. Rich won't necessarily get you laid, but if leverage it right, you will get laid with little effort.

[OGNorCal707]

(07-03-2012 06:22 PM)Locke Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 01:43 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

soup Wrote:

I'm wondering if fame and game are at odds...

Time spent grinding away after 6-7s could be spent working on something that could make you famous.

• Game should be developed in between the pursuit of Financial Success and Fitness.
  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You always need Game.

Maybe not in the fuzzy hat, black eyeliner sense of "game" that the internet thinks is "Game".

But real Game with a capital "G".

This lame guy is not really using any game to get laid by hot women. If a guy is making millions and doesn't look like a complete troll, he is a failure at life if he is not getting consistent women especially good looking ones. Rich won't necessarily get you laid, but if leverage it right, you will get laid with little effort.

I didn't watch the vid clip you posted, but I am familiar with this "sugar daddy/baby" thing and "seeking arraignment". That's a poor choice of example to back up your point, because these guys are basically doing p4p, except the only difference is they're not paying an escort off the internet, going to termas in Brazil, or the bunny ranch in NV.

Point is they are still paying for sex, these women would never fuck them otherwise. Now, the difference with game is the guy actually attracts and seduces the woman, maybe he leverages his wealth during that process, but I guarantee a short, fat, balding middle-aged guy isn't going to pull by opening chicks with hey I'm a millionaire, I make $800 K a year after taxes.

Only chick he is going to pull from that is either a "semi-pro" or a straight up gold digger, who will start to try to drain him for cash immediately. I'm not rich, but back in my gameless years I'd make the mistake of trying to brag about how much money I made and how my business was so good, etc. It just makes you look like a douche and way to try hard, which drys the poonanie right up.

It seems like there are 3 prototype guys on the forum, one thinks game is everything and nothing else matters, the other thinks that looks are it, the last one thinks money is everything and most important.

In reality all three are necessary, they are all pieces of the puzzle, maybe you are dominant in one category, and it supplements your weaknesses in the other areas. Some guys are shit at all, other decent, and the blessed ones are great in all three. Basically what you should strive for is to maximize your potential in all three, when you do that, is when you can start to pull from that upper echelon. Unfortunately some of us can't grow an extra 5 inches, make a million dollars, or radically change the way our faces look.

[MikeCF]

Is Locke a troll?

He's in this thread casting, "All you need is status," bait.

He's in another thread defending that obese women from Vancouver:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14124-...#pid232146

He's in another thread attacking the man who fled Canada for the Philippines:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14072-...#pid231402
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14072-...#pid231088

Guys disagree about a lot of things, and what he said, in isolation, is not facially unreasonable.

But when a guy is siding with an obese woman, siding against a man who had no choice but to leave his homeland or go to jail, and is now talking about status allowing one to have "negative game," one starts to wonder what he's up to.

[MikeCF]

(07-03-2012 06:22 PM)Locke Wrote:  

This lame guy is not really using any game to get laid by hot women. If a guy is making millions and doesn't look like a complete troll, he is a failure at life if he is not getting consistent women especially good looking ones. Rich won't necessarily get you laid, but if leverage it right, you will get laid with little effort.

Paying women to fuck you is not game.

Now I'm 90% sure you're a troll.

[Locke]

(07-03-2012 06:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Is Locke a troll?

He's in this thread casting, "All you need is status," bait.

He's in another thread defending that obese women from Vancouver:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14124-...#pid232146

He's in another thread attacking the man who fled Canada for the Philippines:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14072-...#pid231402
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14072-...#pid231088

Guys disagree about a lot of things, and what he said, in isolation, is not facially unreasonable.

But when a guy is siding with an obese woman, siding against a man who had no choice but to leave his homeland or go to jail, and is now talking about status allowing one to have "negative game," one starts to wonder what he's up to.

I never defended the fat woman. I said its rude to go up to people and comments like the people in the article. That is completely disrespectful. Maybe its just me, but my parents never raised me to disrespect people like that in public. If you can't see why that's wrong, I can't help you.

Yes I will stand by status (not money, looks, game) is most important because of the status obsessed society we live in. The kind of society where Jersey Shore losers are considered more valuable than a scientist. Have you ever seen a high school QB, popular DJ, NBA player who doesn't get laid? You can be rich and not get laid (think engineers and physicists), but its almost impossible not to get laid if you are high status (athlete, DJ, head of frat).

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-03-2012 06:50 PM)Locke Wrote:  

I never defended the fat woman. I said its rude to go up to people and comments like the people in the article. That is completely disrespectful. Maybe its just me, but my parents never raised me to disrespect people like that in public. If you can't see why that's wrong, I can't help you.

Yes I will stand by status (not money, looks, game) is most important because of the status obsessed society we live in. The kind of society where Jersey Shore losers are considered more valuable than a scientist. Have you ever seen a high school QB, popular DJ, NBA player who doesn't get laid? You can be rich and not get laid (think engineers and physicists), but its almost impossible not to get laid if you are high status (athlete, DJ, head of frat).

From my limited information on the Jersey Shore morons, I haven't seen them hit any 8's or 9's even with their status.

We aren't talking about just getting laid in this thread, are we?

[Locke]

(07-03-2012 07:06 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:50 PM)Locke Wrote:  

I never defended the fat woman. I said its rude to go up to people and comments like the people in the article. That is completely disrespectful. Maybe its just me, but my parents never raised me to disrespect people like that in public. If you can't see why that's wrong, I can't help you.

Yes I will stand by status (not money, looks, game) is most important because of the status obsessed society we live in. The kind of society where Jersey Shore losers are considered more valuable than a scientist. Have you ever seen a high school QB, popular DJ, NBA player who doesn't get laid? You can be rich and not get laid (think engineers and physicists), but its almost impossible not to get laid if you are high status (athlete, DJ, head of frat).

From my limited information on the Jersey Shore morons, I haven't seen them hit any 8's or 9's even with their status.

We aren't talking about just getting laid in this thread, are we?

We are talking about getting laid in this thread. This thread is getting laid with 8+ women.

I'm pretty sure the Situation and Pauly D get quite a bit of 8's, maybe you won't necessarily see it on cameras (IMO lots of the NJ girls are downgraded for their skanky look), but off camera, I would bet my life they have 8's throwing themselves at the Jersey Shore cast members.

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-03-2012 07:09 PM)Locke Wrote:  

We are talking about getting laid in this thread. This thread is getting laid with 8+ women.

I'm pretty sure the Situation and Pauly D get quite a bit of 8's, maybe you won't necessarily see it on cameras (IMO lots of the NJ girls are downgraded for their skanky look), but off camera, I would bet my life they have 8's throwing themselves at the Jersey Shore cast members.

[Locke]

(07-03-2012 07:14 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 07:09 PM)Locke Wrote:  

We are talking about getting laid in this thread. This thread is getting laid with 8+ women.

I'm pretty sure the Situation and Pauly D get quite a bit of 8's, maybe you won't necessarily see it on cameras (IMO lots of the NJ girls are downgraded for their skanky look), but off camera, I would bet my life they have 8's throwing themselves at the Jersey Shore cast members.

So I post something challenging your assertation that Jersey Shore castmembers dont get 8+, and I'm considered a troll? Anyways, how many guys can say they literally had 2 women fighting over them?

http://thecount.com/2012/04/23/cleavage-...l-fight-2/

Most rich guys aren't getting laid like The Situation. I'm pretty sure these are 8+:



Again we live in a society where women are much more impressed by reality Tv stars than people who actually do productive work. For example, If you watch the RW: Challenge, I remember a podcast where 1 castmember talks about how easy it is to get laid after he was on TV. He could get women within 20 minutes. That is what status does for you.

[WestCoast]

(07-03-2012 06:17 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 05:36 PM)Locke Wrote:  

But you don't really need game if you are successful. Of course there is no guarantee for success if you are working on developing fame. That's why striving for status is so important. If you are high status, you can have negative game and still pull 8's left and right.

You don't know many rich guys, do you?

Bolded puts me on the "Troll Fence"

I agree FAME > GAME. I'd rather have my face plastered everywhere saying i was the shit all day, it's just immense social proof.

Being a millionaire does not make you famous though. This is why I am on the trolllll fence. . There are many millionaires who PAY for 8+'s but that's NOT attraction. There are many millionaires who DONT PAY but SLAY 8+'s that is GAME... From an outsiders perspective it is impossible to tell the difference from a glance because you don't see the chemistry.