[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Yeah, but about the "why hate" complaint, that is exactly my point. I don't hate at football players, Olympic runners, famous singers, actors, even politicians and etc., because all of these professions require work, dedication and creativity. Sure, I will call it superficial when girls flock to guys like that simply on the basis on their fame, but I respect the fact that these guys had to work hard to achieve that fame.

Whereas DJs had to... download some free software and face-smash a soundboard in a random club. Using other people's music.

Therefore, my main objection to DJs is not fame, but becoming famous by doing nothing at all. Just like I would not complain about a Harvard grad making lots of money, but I would be pretty mad if that Harvard grad cheated on all the exams.

[porscheguy]

(06-13-2012 10:50 PM)travolta Wrote:  

A lot of these guys are producers. That means that they make their own tracks. There's a huge difference between a guy who is DJ'ing in a popular night club vs. a GOOD DJ.

I think you hit on something many haters have missed. These guys aren't like the emcee at your cousin's wedding. They do produce original content (like Tiesto, and Deadmau5.) Many times, they take a song that was shit, and turn it into something worth listening to. Deadmau5 performed at the Grammy's this year. Daft Punk composed the entire soundtrack for Tron Legacy. Avicii took one of the songs from the Tron Legacy soundtrack and turned it into something worth playing on the radio.

Darude knocked it out of the fucking ballpark with this original track back in 1999/2000(prior to iTunes.) Just about every disco/dance nightclub out there played this song every night back then. If you're over 30, this song should bring back memories.

A year or two later this song became popular in the nightclubs:

Last year Avicii decided to do his own rendition. Rather than take apart the original, he dug up the vocalist, and cut new vocal tracks and overhauled an old favorite into something more contemporary.

Check out this photo set of Deadmau5 from back in January when he started his Vegas residency.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/jan...y-kickoff/

Take note of how people are responding to him in the first photo. That's a guy who has dozens, if not hundreds of options wherever he walks into a room.

There's a lot of player hatin' in this thread.

[porscheguy]

(06-14-2012 03:18 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Whereas DJs had to... download some free software and face-smash a soundboard in a random club. Using other people's music.

Allow me to reiterate once again. Most of the people on that list have produced original content. They aren't simply conjuring up shit from iTunes playlists.

No. 17 on that list is DJ Benny Benassi. Last year he worked with Chris Brown on the song Beatiful People. Here's a little info about that song:

""Beautiful People" is a song by American recording artist Chris Brown featuring Italian DJ Benny Benassi. It was WRITTEN by Brown, with Jean Baptiste, Marco Benassi and Allessandro Benassi, with the latter two also handling its production. (FWIW, Benny Benassi and Marco Benassi are the same person.)

So here we have a DJ with writing AND production credits. Almost every DJ on the list posted has writing and production credits on their own original content. These guys who are pulling in seven figure incomes aren't just a bunch of iTunes hacks.

[Rah]

You have to realize, that's like the electronic music hall of fame right there. You take the top grossing artists of the past two decades of an entire popular genre of music and yeah, there's gonna be some ballers. Being surprised at that is like being surprised that rock stars have lots of money and get laid easy. The guys on that list are mega rock stars, just not of rock.

You also have to realize for every one of them there's thousands of guys hustling and not getting much attention, just like every other artistic endeavor. Especially now that the barrier to entry has never been lower.

I really like electronica and I like to mess around with producing it, I just can't get my head around the performance part of it. I know there's shit you can do to mix it up and keep it fresh on stage, but at the end of the day that music lives and dies on a computer and will never truly be something that can be "performed" in a traditional sense. So I'm more drawn to instruments, but who knows. Maybe at some point I'll just say fuck it and give it a shot.

And there's a conspicuous lack of DJ Roosh weighing in on this thread from his time on the circuit.

[seingalt]

Myself, I'm not interested in hating on anyone... Obviously actually producing music and doing creative live mixing require some skill and talent, though whether it's really comparable to say writing a novel or playing concert violin I'm not sure. (Christian Marclay is a different story, he's a bona fide artist and a very good one.)

The point is that even no-talent small-time djs, doing the kind of stuff any one of us could go out and replicate tomorrow evening, can get the kind of female attention most men would kill for. Saying that it requires no skill isn't 'hating', it's just an honest assessment of the situation.

[Screwston]

Can someone create a How to be a weekend DJ thread

[Duke Castile]

I've been around some of these DJs. They're douche bags to the core. I was at a part with Afrojack for example. He burned his finger picking up a candle and complained and iced his finger like a little spoiled bitch the whole party. When I met him he got upset that I didn't know who he was. Give me a fucking break. I've seen all the hot names in Vegas including Mr. Tiesto and it's ALLL THE SAME. Mike CF just because you like that music and think there are big differences in style or whatever, doesn't mean these guys are "talented" and just because we recognize it isn't anything more than the musical version of a rhinestoned affliction shirt doesn't mean we're "hating".

[Timoteo]

Remember, a lot of these guys started out in the days of vinyl, which progressed to CDs, and now it's digital playlists. The younger guys coming up behind them probably started in CDs, and the guys behind them are strictly digitals. So don't hate too hard on the older cats...

Whether a guy is actually alpha in personality or not, he's in the alpha position when he's behind the tables/laptop. He's at the front of the room, physically elevated above all others. He controls the whole mood of the room, and by what he plays can determine whether or not you have a good time to an extent. The culture has elevated these guys to celebrity status, and they've been able to build followings. In this culture people become celebs for doing a lot less. Even if you don't consider it a TALENT, they do provide an in-demand service.

[canucktraveller]

(06-13-2012 12:24 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I don't like dance music but i'm still proud that 3 of those guys are Dutch. number 1, 5 and 14.

Holland is with out question the center of electronic music right now, and has been for a while (although sweden is catching up)

(06-13-2012 11:39 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Precisely. Most people are willing to just trust what they see there, but in reality there a) isn't a lot of verification for these numbers (calculating net worth isn't simple-it is more than income) and b) there is quite a bit of inflation/guesswork.

Take those numbers with a truckload of salt.

I don't doubt that those numbers are exaggerated but a little anecdote for you;

This past new years Avicii (who is arguably the biggest DJ in the game right now) played 2 shows. He started in Niagara Falls and played a huge convention center with tickets starting at $100+. Shortly after the countdown he flew to NYC and played another big show for a couple of hours.

These guys perform like crazy and the top guys sell out massive arenas and festivals comparable to top rock stars.

(06-14-2012 03:53 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

Allow me to reiterate once again. Most of the people on that list have produced original content. They aren't simply conjuring up shit from iTunes playlists.

No. 17 on that list is DJ Benny Benassi. Last year he worked with Chris Brown on the song Beatiful People. Here's a little info about that song:

""Beautiful People" is a song by American recording artist Chris Brown featuring Italian DJ Benny Benassi. It was WRITTEN by Brown, with Jean Baptiste, Marco Benassi and Allessandro Benassi, with the latter two also handling its production. (FWIW, Benny Benassi and Marco Benassi are the same person.)

So here we have a DJ with writing AND production credits. Almost every DJ on the list posted has writing and production credits on their own original content. These guys who are pulling in seven figure incomes aren't just a bunch of iTunes hacks.

Porscheguy pretty much nailed it. Nobody on that list is a Itunes DJ. You guys are confusing your local club DJ and major international DJ/producers. These guys all have their own songs plus hundreds of remixes. Even the dj's like skrillex who more or less press play on a playlist, has custom created that playlist with a mix of his own songs and remixes.




This video is a bit different but gives you an example of the talent some of these DJ's have. This kid is 18 (17 when the video came out) and he does this live as well.

[soup]

(06-14-2012 05:00 PM)canucktraveller Wrote:  

(06-13-2012 12:24 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I don't like dance music but i'm still proud that 3 of those guys are Dutch. number 1, 5 and 14.

Holland is with out question the center of electronic music right now, and has been for a while (although sweden is catching up)

(06-13-2012 11:39 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Precisely. Most people are willing to just trust what they see there, but in reality there a) isn't a lot of verification for these numbers (calculating net worth isn't simple-it is more than income) and b) there is quite a bit of inflation/guesswork.

Take those numbers with a truckload of salt.

I don't doubt that those numbers are exaggerated but a little anecdote for you;

This past new years Avicii (who is arguably the biggest DJ in the game right now) played 2 shows. He started in Niagara Falls and played a huge convention center with tickets starting at $100+. Shortly after the countdown he flew to NYC and played another big show for a couple of hours.

These guys perform like crazy and the top guys sell out massive arenas and festivals comparable to top rock stars.

(06-14-2012 03:53 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

Allow me to reiterate once again. Most of the people on that list have produced original content. They aren't simply conjuring up shit from iTunes playlists.

No. 17 on that list is DJ Benny Benassi. Last year he worked with Chris Brown on the song Beatiful People. Here's a little info about that song:

""Beautiful People" is a song by American recording artist Chris Brown featuring Italian DJ Benny Benassi. It was WRITTEN by Brown, with Jean Baptiste, Marco Benassi and Allessandro Benassi, with the latter two also handling its production. (FWIW, Benny Benassi and Marco Benassi are the same person.)

So here we have a DJ with writing AND production credits. Almost every DJ on the list posted has writing and production credits on their own original content. These guys who are pulling in seven figure incomes aren't just a bunch of iTunes hacks.

Porscheguy pretty much nailed it. Nobody on that list is a Itunes DJ. You guys are confusing your local club DJ and major international DJ/producers. These guys all have their own songs plus hundreds of remixes. Even the dj's like skrillex who more or less press play on a playlist, has custom created that playlist with a mix of his own songs and remixes.




This video is a bit different but gives you an example of the talent some of these DJ's have. This kid is 18 (17 when the video came out) and he does this live as well.

I'd consider that guy in the video to be more of a sampler player/percussionist than a DJ because he is the one keeping/generating the majority of the time whereas DJs tend to let the recorded tracks do that work.

[speakeasy]

(06-14-2012 01:44 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I've been around some of these DJs. They're douche bags to the core. I was at a part with Afrojack for example. He burned his finger picking up a candle and complained and iced his finger like a little spoiled bitch the whole party. When I met him he got upset that I didn't know who he was. Give me a fucking break. I've seen all the hot names in Vegas including Mr. Tiesto and it's ALLL THE SAME. Mike CF just because you like that music and think there are big differences in style or whatever, doesn't mean these guys are "talented" and just because we recognize it isn't anything more than the musical version of a rhinestoned affliction shirt doesn't mean we're "hating".

You can have talented DJs though that play other people's stuff. Some of my fav DJs aren't well known outside my city, but are DJs on college radio stations that mix music with total freedom and no particular format. They may pull music from all genres, often playing stuff you've never heard of but sounds incredible. They may seamlessly blend them together different genres and create a mood. The guys on the station I listen to, they can be playing School of Seven bells one minute and playing Marvin Gaye the next, yet it all just sounds fucking good the way they mix it.

Then you have DJs who blend tracks together to make their own mashups, like having Jay Z rapping over top of the riff of some 70s rock anthems in one song, and it'll have the crowd going nuts. They have these mashup parties in different cities: http://bootiemashup.com/blog/

That stuff definitely takes some talent because you gotta have the know how not only to mix these songs technically but have the artistic ear in knowing what sounds well together. And you have to have an ear for what the crowd will respond well too. That's talent for sure.

[Rurik]

These DJs, on average, are probably more intelligent, hardworking, and deserving than your average pop star, who makes way way way more money than any of them.

Using ableton live, for example, takes time, EVEN if you're just mixing other people's stuff together.

Hating on these guys is lame. Especially when pickup guys hate on dudes with status who are getting laid, that's just pathetic.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but guess what. Lots of dudes with high status, got their position based on things other than just ability, such as connections, or just pure luck that they were in the right spot at the right time.

What, you think all CEOs get their job because they were the most qualified?

But when people see DJs, they criticize them and say "someone else could do it". That's true of damn near anything.

[soup]

(06-14-2012 07:02 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

These DJs, on average, are probably more intelligent, hardworking, and deserving than your average pop star, who makes way way way more money than any of them.

Using ableton live, for example, takes time, EVEN if you're just mixing other people's stuff together.

Hating on these guys is lame. Especially when pickup guys hate on dudes with status who are getting laid, that's just pathetic.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but guess what. Lots of dudes with high status, got their position based on things other than just ability, such as connections, or just pure luck that they were in the right spot at the right time.

What, you think all CEOs get their job because they were the most qualified?

But when people see DJs, they criticize them and say "someone else could do it". That's true of damn near anything.

I don't care if these guys are using DJing to get pussy.

That said, you can easily put someone behind a DJ booth, coach them to look like they know what they are doing, have them "perform" a DJ set, and a crowd probably won't know the difference.

Now, try faking this:

So, what is real value, and what is bullshit? Girls are seduced by hype. This is the game. As men, we should know better.

[Rurik]

(06-15-2012 02:18 AM)soup Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 07:02 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

These DJs, on average, are probably more intelligent, hardworking, and deserving than your average pop star, who makes way way way more money than any of them.

Using ableton live, for example, takes time, EVEN if you're just mixing other people's stuff together.

Hating on these guys is lame. Especially when pickup guys hate on dudes with status who are getting laid, that's just pathetic.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but guess what. Lots of dudes with high status, got their position based on things other than just ability, such as connections, or just pure luck that they were in the right spot at the right time.

What, you think all CEOs get their job because they were the most qualified?

But when people see DJs, they criticize them and say "someone else could do it". That's true of damn near anything.

I don't care if these guys are using DJing to get pussy.

That said, you can easily put someone behind a DJ booth, coach them to look like they know what they are doing, have them "perform" a DJ set, and a crowd probably won't know the difference.

Now, try faking this:

So, what is real value, and what is bullshit? Girls are seduced by hype. This is the game. As men, we should know better.

The funny thing is, a dj playing for a crowd of 50 or more people is going to get way more ass than this guitarist (considering he's not a touring act but just has the skill). If he has game he can use his guitar skill to help, but in and of itself it's not going to do much.

Women are attracted to things on a completely animal level.

The question is though, who is going to "put a dj behind a set" and teach him how to look like he's doing something? That's not a real world scenario, so I don't really see what the point is. Maybe a really shallow rich dude would pay to have that done, but it would be pretty fuckin weird.

Status and fame are issues that are coming up more and more on rvf lately.

"Real value" to a girl is a number of things, but musicianship alone isn't usually the biggest selling point, but rather a certain type of man: a touring entertainer. A man who performs for and entertains crowds of people, is going to get a lot of ass.

[Excelsior]

(06-14-2012 05:00 PM)canucktraveller Wrote:  

I don't doubt that those numbers are exaggerated but a little anecdote for you;

This past new years Avicii (who is arguably the biggest DJ in the game right now) played 2 shows. He started in Niagara Falls and played a huge convention center with tickets starting at $100+. Shortly after the countdown he flew to NYC and played another big show for a couple of hours.

These guys perform like crazy and the top guys sell out massive arenas and festivals comparable to top rock stars.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure these dudes are all quite well compensated. I'm just saying that the numbers you see may still not necessarily be accurate, and don't have a lot of substantial verification. Many on that website seem just kind of thrown up there, though some are substantiated.

Like I said, a grain of salt (or two...or three thousand) can be useful here.

[soup]

(06-15-2012 02:37 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

(06-15-2012 02:18 AM)soup Wrote:  

(06-14-2012 07:02 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

These DJs, on average, are probably more intelligent, hardworking, and deserving than your average pop star, who makes way way way more money than any of them.

Using ableton live, for example, takes time, EVEN if you're just mixing other people's stuff together.

Hating on these guys is lame. Especially when pickup guys hate on dudes with status who are getting laid, that's just pathetic.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but guess what. Lots of dudes with high status, got their position based on things other than just ability, such as connections, or just pure luck that they were in the right spot at the right time.

What, you think all CEOs get their job because they were the most qualified?

But when people see DJs, they criticize them and say "someone else could do it". That's true of damn near anything.

I don't care if these guys are using DJing to get pussy.

That said, you can easily put someone behind a DJ booth, coach them to look like they know what they are doing, have them "perform" a DJ set, and a crowd probably won't know the difference.

Now, try faking this:

So, what is real value, and what is bullshit? Girls are seduced by hype. This is the game. As men, we should know better.

The question is though, who is going to "put a dj behind a set" and teach him how to look like he's doing something? That's not a real world scenario, so I don't really see what the point is. Maybe a really shallow rich dude would pay to have that done, but it would be pretty fuckin weird.

[Tuthmosis]

That guitarist ain't shit. It's all about this:

[speakeasy]

^^ Sorry boys, but as long as we're talking about guitar talent, nobody can touch Pat Metheny. Dude is so talented he had to invent new types of guitars to able to take full advantage of his abilities:

[soup]

I've yet to here Pat Metheny play anything that doesn't sound like tacky elevator music. Here's the king :

[Rurik]

I don't like pat metheny either.

[speakeasy]

(06-15-2012 03:24 PM)soup Wrote:  

I've yet to here Pat Metheny play anything that doesn't sound like tacky elevator music.

Can't say I've ever heard Pat Metheny and tacky in the same sentence. Any list of the top jazz guitarists in history will list him within the top ten.

Elevator music?? This solo starting from 1:50 will NEVER be heard in any elevator I assure you!

[thegmanifesto]

Don't knock elevator music.

I just heard this track in the elevator of my building:

[el mechanico]

(06-14-2012 05:00 PM)canucktraveller Wrote:  

(06-13-2012 12:24 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I don't like dance music but i'm still proud that 3 of those guys are Dutch. number 1, 5 and 14.

Holland is with out question the center of electronic music right now, and has been for a while (although sweden is catching up)

(06-13-2012 11:39 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Precisely. Most people are willing to just trust what they see there, but in reality there a) isn't a lot of verification for these numbers (calculating net worth isn't simple-it is more than income) and b) there is quite a bit of inflation/guesswork.

Take those numbers with a truckload of salt.

I don't doubt that those numbers are exaggerated but a little anecdote for you;

This past new years Avicii (who is arguably the biggest DJ in the game right now) played 2 shows. He started in Niagara Falls and played a huge convention center with tickets starting at $100+. Shortly after the countdown he flew to NYC and played another big show for a couple of hours.

These guys perform like crazy and the top guys sell out massive arenas and festivals comparable to top rock stars.

(06-14-2012 03:53 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

Allow me to reiterate once again. Most of the people on that list have produced original content. They aren't simply conjuring up shit from iTunes playlists.

No. 17 on that list is DJ Benny Benassi. Last year he worked with Chris Brown on the song Beatiful People. Here's a little info about that song:

""Beautiful People" is a song by American recording artist Chris Brown featuring Italian DJ Benny Benassi. It was WRITTEN by Brown, with Jean Baptiste, Marco Benassi and Allessandro Benassi, with the latter two also handling its production. (FWIW, Benny Benassi and Marco Benassi are the same person.)

So here we have a DJ with writing AND production credits. Almost every DJ on the list posted has writing and production credits on their own original content. These guys who are pulling in seven figure incomes aren't just a bunch of iTunes hacks.

Porscheguy pretty much nailed it. Nobody on that list is a Itunes DJ. You guys are confusing your local club DJ and major international DJ/producers. These guys all have their own songs plus hundreds of remixes. Even the dj's like skrillex who more or less press play on a playlist, has custom created that playlist with a mix of his own songs and remixes.




This video is a bit different but gives you an example of the talent some of these DJ's have. This kid is 18 (17 when the video came out) and he does this live as well.

Old school
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They play steely dan in elevators and some of the songs are about banging underage girls and all kinds of shit.

[soup]

(06-15-2012 04:23 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Ha- Speakeasy, are you fucking around with me? If not- whatever floats your boat I've tried numerous times to wrap my head around what it is that people like about Pat Matheny. It's one of the most mysterious things in the world to me.

I think it's great that people with such varying opinions on music and culture can come together on an internet forum for a common goal.

[speakeasy]

(06-15-2012 06:29 PM)soup Wrote:  

Ha- Speakeasy, are you fucking around with me? If not- whatever floats your boat I've tried numerous times to wrap my head around what it is that people like about Pat Matheny. It's one of the most mysterious things in the world to me.

I think it's great that people with such varying opinions on music and culture can come together on an internet forum for a common goal.

Lol, alright, I give up trying to make you a convert. Just curious, are there any jazz fusion artists you like? If you just don't like the fusion genre, then I could certainly see why you don't care for Metheny. But anyone I know that's into fusion digs Metheny.