[modernaire]

New poster here, have been reading this forum for quite some time now and always found it informative.

In the midwest right now..considering Los Angeles. Have visited before, but didn't get to spend enough time there.

I've been told by people that in LA, you can be living in a small studio apt and still pull women easily - if they like your look and find you attractive. Basically how women there will bang guys more based on looks opposed to how most cities hot women are looking for the "safe bet" or doing their husband shopping...the guy in khakis and a tucked in button-down working at a bank or middle-management for an insurance company. I do remember seeing guys with "crazy" style (pink mohawk/skinny jeans/tattoos) with porn star looking women. You really wouldn't see that elsewhere, and if you did, it wouldn't be nearly as prevalent.

To those of you who have spend time or lived in LA...is there any truth to this?

Considering the culture there is more liberated (not in tourist sense like Vegas), it has made me wonder how true this is.

[EisenBarde]

Most guys will get eaten alive in Los Angeles to the point of insanity. One nice thing about the place is that the girls wont leave you wondering why they aren't interested in you, they're pretty frank about it.

If you're game is down tight and you have your shit together, it might be worth a shot.

[TheNatural]

I have lived in L.A. for the past 15 years. The size of your crib and car has no bearing on the amount of bangs you will get but it will affect the quality, i.e. 9s and 10s know they can find some chump to support them 7s and 8s know they can't compete with them so they are easy to bang.

In my experience women here are not looking to get married but rather to have a good time and explore especially the ones 'fresh off the boat' from various Midwest and Southern towns.

The key with chicks in L.A. is to get them in the first few months of moving here before they are totally corrupted.

In my experience the chicks here value ambition as much as they do money because at the end of the day L.A. most of the single people here are living in apartments and barely making it by.

[speakeasy]

I tend to associate women here(well, the Westside and Hollywood anyway) with being status whores. But you know this is just too large a city with way too many variables and types of people to really cast such a wide net. I've not lived in another city long-term in my adult life so I just can't compare the ease of being a bachelor here to anywhere else, I just wouldn't know any different. But from what I've heard of people who have lived in other places and then moved here, it's tough as hell according to them. Was recently talking to this dude who lived all over Europe as well as the east coast and he said L.A. is the toughest place he's been in so far.

If you find your niche and strategically choose a neighborhood that makes things easier(living close to nightlife, no long commute) and are willing to put up with a flakey population(girls and guys), I'm sure you can do ok here. Expect ratios to typically be about 60-65% guys when you go out.

[TheNatural]

(06-01-2012 12:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I tend to associate women here(well, the Westside and Hollywood anyway) with being status whores. But you know this is just too large a city with way too many variables and types of people to really cast such a wide net. I've not lived in another city long-term in my adult life so I just can't compare the ease of being a bachelor here to anywhere else, I just wouldn't know any different. But from what I've heard of people who have lived in other places and then moved here, it's tough as hell according to them. Was recently talking to this dude who lived all over Europe as well as the east coast and he said L.A. is the toughest place he's been in so far.

If you find your niche and strategically choose a neighborhood that makes things easier(living close to nightlife, no long commute) and are willing to put up with a flakey population(girls and guys), I'm sure you can do ok here. Expect ratios to typically be about 60-65% guys when you go out.

Speakeasy what are your thoughts on Downtown L.A., I have always had good success down there. I stay away from Hollywood generally, the Westside is cool too. Downtown Long Beach though pretty far from me has always been good to me, good for a change of pace.

[speakeasy]

(06-01-2012 12:57 PM)TheNatural Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 12:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I tend to associate women here(well, the Westside and Hollywood anyway) with being status whores. But you know this is just too large a city with way too many variables and types of people to really cast such a wide net. I've not lived in another city long-term in my adult life so I just can't compare the ease of being a bachelor here to anywhere else, I just wouldn't know any different. But from what I've heard of people who have lived in other places and then moved here, it's tough as hell according to them. Was recently talking to this dude who lived all over Europe as well as the east coast and he said L.A. is the toughest place he's been in so far.

If you find your niche and strategically choose a neighborhood that makes things easier(living close to nightlife, no long commute) and are willing to put up with a flakey population(girls and guys), I'm sure you can do ok here. Expect ratios to typically be about 60-65% guys when you go out.

Speakeasy what are your thoughts on Downtown L.A., I have always had good success down there. I stay away from Hollywood generally, the Westside is cool too. Downtown Long Beach though pretty far from me has always been good to me, good for a change of pace.

I like downtown a lot. I go there quite often. If I were moving somewhere tomorrow that's where I'd head.

[modernaire]

The reason I ask, is because a lot of time, "high-status" men are not that attractive. I think there are women who in the short-term would rather be with a good-looking low status man opposed to a guy who is already above average status but fat and unattractive (like so many in the midwest are), or only very average in looks department. I've never been one to run "game" in the PUA sense. Haven't needed to. Still, my apartment doesn't correspond to the image I project, and this has affected me with some women who are looking for security when I tell them I'm a waiter.

In most places, a man in his mid-to-late 20s living in a studio apartment is viewed as a loser. Living in Des Moines, IA (medium sized midwestern city) and Chicago (the king of the midwest) I can tell you for a fact in both these places you will be considered a joke among the majority of the hot single women in their 20s.

In LA, it can be argued he's trying to live the dream and this could be somewhat mitigating. It's also so common in LA to live in a small apartment, people go there with different ambitions in mind compared to what you'd hear in Chicago....hedge funds...finance...investment banking, etc. I get the impression it's almost acceptable in LA to live as a waiter and devote all your time to the gym, style, and meeting women in the short-term. If more comes from it, great.

The other cities you simply have to have more together and the amount of hot single available 20-something is low (this put me in a cougar phase at one point). You start to realize the better looking women in the midwest after a certain age are probably divorcees who did marry right after college.

I've heard the ratios are male-heavy in LA, but one would think with all the gays/crossdressers/ and tranny chasers there this would possibly even things out.

I do appreciate the input so far.

[HiFlo]

I think anyone who would move to LA alone is foolish. There are hot women everywhere. If you're going to move to LA, please have a better reason than only to chase women.

That said, LA is huge. Hollyweird, Hermosa, Long Beach, Palisades, Hills, every place is completely different and even though they're all within 20 miles of one another they still take 2 hrs to get to each other because of traffic.

[MikeCF]

L.A. is expensive. A studio on the West Side will run you $1200-1400 a month.

Having roommates in your early 30s is common.

L.A. is car obsessed, but having a crappy car never once cost me a lay. DUI laws are tough, so you shouldn't be driving to bars, anyway.

The girl won't see your car until after the bang.

While you don't need a nice crib or car to pull, you will need very tight game.

[speakeasy]

(06-01-2012 02:39 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

In LA, it can be argued he's trying to live the dream and this could be somewhat mitigating. It's also so common in LA to live in a small apartment, people go there with different ambitions in mind compared to what you'd hear in Chicago....hedge funds...finance...investment banking, etc. I get the impression it's almost acceptable in LA to live as a waiter and devote all your time to the gym, style, and meeting women in the short-term. If more comes from it, great.

This is definitely true. They call California "the land of fruits, nuts and flakes" for a good reason. I think people tend to be less judgmental and more tolerant of what you might call "alternative lifestyles" outside of the typical white picket fence, nuclear family thing so common in the Midwest.

I'd say if you really want to go to a place where it's totally acceptable to be a 30 something guy with roommates in a small apartment, than San Francisco is even better. Nobody really grows up there. It's actually cool to be a 40 year old hipster. And it's about the least judgmental place on the planet.

Keep in mind another reason for this is that it's just harder to cut it here. An average paying job in the midwest will get you a home and a middle class standard of living. An average paying job in California will have you in an apartment with a roommate with little chance of ever owning a home. Few people in their 30s own homes here. And even the ones I know that did take the plunge a few years back no longer own them now. I think the age of "growing up" here gets pushed back about 10 years to compensate for the high cost of living.

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I've heard the ratios are male-heavy in LA, but one would think with all the gays/crossdressers/ and tranny chasers there this would possibly even things out.

The gay population is not that huge outside of W. Hollywood. I wouldn't say it's any bigger percentage-wise than most major cities. And it certainly has no impact on ratios. San Francisco however, the gay scene is very big.

[Mujeriego]

Modernaire I'm moving to LA in about a month. I'll start a thread and let you know how it goes as the new kid in town.

[modernaire]

I considered San Francisco, and also Las Vegas (know people in both cities). The truth is, I want to be in LA. At this point in my life, late 20's, my main regret is not doing it sooner.

I would like to try some sort of acting as well (even low-budget films, lifetime movies, straight-to-video are fine with me). I know the chances of getting into it are very low and I don't expect it by any means...but I would like to know I tried. After that, I could probably be at peace with myself. You only live once, I could just stay in the midwest and never have chased what I wanted.

I also have a very flashy style which really isn't understood too well in the midwest, people will just assume you're gay. I should mention, my appeal would be like that of a modern day Rudolph Valentino, could be considered somewhat androgynous, and the midwest is a place for purely masculine lumberjacks in my opinion. In interesting in the way that my mentality is very alpha, I'm in great shape, but I'm also very into European fashion and bespoke suits which don't fit the American alpha paradigm of being a "regular confident guy who isn't too into fashion and other girl stuff".

I read a lot of complaints on this forum about how men are more feminine now...move to the midwest if you really think this has become a problem.

[speakeasy]

(06-01-2012 03:59 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

I considered San Francisco, and also Las Vegas (know people in both cities). The truth is, I want to be in LA. At this point in my life, late 20's, my main regret is not doing it sooner.

I would like to try some sort of acting as well (even low-budget films, lifetime movies, straight-to-video are fine with me). I know the chances of getting into it are very low and I don't expect it by any means...but I would like to know I tried. After that, I could probably be at peace with myself. You only live once, I could just stay in the midwest and never have chased what I wanted.

I also have a very flashy style which really isn't understood too well in the midwest, people will just assume you're gay. I should mention, my appeal would be like that of a modern day Rudolph Valentino, could be considered somewhat androgynous, and the midwest is a place for purely masculine lumberjacks in my opinion. In interesting in the way that my mentality is very alpha, I'm in great shape, but I'm also very into European fashion and bespoke suits which don't fit the American alpha paradigm of being a "regular confident guy who isn't too into fashion and other girl stuff".

I read a lot of complaints on this forum about how men are more feminine now...move to the midwest if you really think this has become a problem.

Cool. Well then it sounds like a no-brainer. My suggestion for any bachelor moving here is choose your neighborhood VERY carefully. This place is ridiculously spread out but there are certain neighborhoods that are dense and pedestrian friendly with the nightlife close by. That's where you want to be. Feel free to hit me up if you need any advice in that regard.

[modernaire]

I liked Hollywood a lot...although I've heard mixed reviews on it. Not as expensive as West LA, and has nightlife nearby.

I noticed LA didn't seem to have massive apartment complexes like most places do. It seems like most rentals are a unit in one standalone building.

Most cities literally have "apartment campuses", Vegas has so many of them for example.

[TheNatural]

(06-01-2012 03:59 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

I considered San Francisco, and also Las Vegas (know people in both cities). The truth is, I want to be in LA. At this point in my life, late 20's, my main regret is not doing it sooner.

I would like to try some sort of acting as well (even low-budget films, lifetime movies, straight-to-video are fine with me). I know the chances of getting into it are very low and I don't expect it by any means...but I would like to know I tried. After that, I could probably be at peace with myself. You only live once, I could just stay in the midwest and never have chased what I wanted.

I also have a very flashy style which really isn't understood too well in the midwest, people will just assume you're gay. I should mention, my appeal would be like that of a modern day Rudolph Valentino, could be considered somewhat androgynous, and the midwest is a place for purely masculine lumberjacks in my opinion. In interesting in the way that my mentality is very alpha, I'm in great shape, but I'm also very into European fashion and bespoke suits which don't fit the American alpha paradigm of being a "regular confident guy who isn't too into fashion and other girl stuff".

I read a lot of complaints on this forum about how men are more feminine now...move to the midwest if you really think this has become a problem.

San Francisco is a cool place to visit but not necessarily to live seeing as how it is MORE expensive than L.A. with half the the talent and opportunities. As far as Vegas goes the same thing cool place to visit but Vegas is small and after a few months you will feel like you're stuck back in the Midwest, I lived there for a few months and couldn't wait to get back to L.A.

[speakeasy]

(06-01-2012 05:09 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

I liked Hollywood a lot...although I've heard mixed reviews on it. Not as expensive as West LA, and has nightlife nearby.

I noticed LA didn't seem to have massive apartment complexes like most places do. It seems like most rentals are a unit in one standalone building.

Most cities literally have "apartment campuses", Vegas has so many of them for example.

There are, they tend to newer buildings. I'm talking massive apartments with literally hundreds of units. There are some new highrises like that downtown I believe and others scattered about. The Palazzo at the grove in mid-city is like that: http://www.palazzo-west.com/apartments/h...S&pid=2005

[TheNatural]

Do some research on these areas, If I was moving from out of town this is where I would check out...

Santa Monica (Surfer/Westsider Types
Venice (See Above)
North Hollywood (Artists/Dancers etc...)
Hermosa Beach (Beach Bum vibe)
West Hollywood (Very ummm Gay-Friendly)
Downtown L.A.(People who have grown out of the Hollywood scene)
Hollywood (Artistic many people from out of town move here so plenty of talent)
Echo Park/Los Feliz (Hipsters)

[Drazen]

Brentwood is the place to be IMO. Women there are outstanding and just hang out in the stores/coffee shops along San Vicenente ever day of the week during the day. Lots of nightlife within cab distance in West LA, Santa Monica, etc. Great weather.

Also a fan of mid-city (Park LaBrea area, Beverly Blvd, 3rd street) and venice.

[modernaire]

Brentwood is probably too expensive, same with Santa Monica. Both great parts of town though.

[Drazen]

you can probably find something under $1200 for a studio or 1 bedroom. or live south of wilshire and walk to san vicente or something, there are a TON of apartments in that area....its not as bad as you would think.

[Rurik]

(06-01-2012 12:31 PM)TheNatural Wrote:  

The key with chicks in L.A. is to get them in the first few months of moving here before they are totally corrupted.

Bingo.

You can meet these chicks on buses, or during daygame.

They haven't "clicked in" to a social circle yet, are in need of people. They will be way easier to bang. Be on the look out for FOB russian girls.

Definitely screen for new transplants.

[modernaire]

(06-01-2012 06:28 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

you can probably find something under $1200 for a studio or 1 bedroom. or live south of wilshire and walk to san vicente or something, there are a TON of apartments in that area....its not as bad as you would think.

I'd probably have to stay under $1,000, closer to $800. Only Hollywood seems to have rentals for that price.

[speakeasy]

(06-01-2012 06:50 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 06:28 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

you can probably find something under $1200 for a studio or 1 bedroom. or live south of wilshire and walk to san vicente or something, there are a TON of apartments in that area....its not as bad as you would think.

I'd probably have to stay under $1,000, closer to $800. Only Hollywood seems to have rentals for that price.

If your budget is $800 might wanna consider a roommate. Unfortunately $800 won't get you much. Or you'll be sharing a building with section 8ers.

[Mujeriego]

Get a membership to westsiderentals.com and see what you find. It's $60 for two months which was nominal considering how much easier it made finding a place.

[modernaire]

(06-01-2012 06:59 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 06:50 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 06:28 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

you can probably find something under $1200 for a studio or 1 bedroom. or live south of wilshire and walk to san vicente or something, there are a TON of apartments in that area....its not as bad as you would think.

I'd probably have to stay under $1,000, closer to $800. Only Hollywood seems to have rentals for that price.

If your budget is $800 might wanna consider a roommate. Unfortunately $800 won't get you much. Or you'll be sharing a building with section 8ers.

I've always wondered how people make it there. I'd consider escorting if the need arises.