[Drazen]

(06-01-2012 06:50 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 06:28 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

you can probably find something under $1200 for a studio or 1 bedroom. or live south of wilshire and walk to san vicente or something, there are a TON of apartments in that area....its not as bad as you would think.

I'd probably have to stay under $1,000, closer to $800. Only Hollywood seems to have rentals for that price.

Hollywood is really ghetto. Especially at that price you'll probably end up in Alverado or Koreatown or something or a crack den.

You have to REALLY look hard. like over a month or so to find the right situation. Its doable, you just have to put effort into it.

[modernaire]

To those of you in LA...what do you do for a living?

[Drazen]

Niche reputation management for the entertainment-esque industry. don't want to give out too much as its a pretty small niche I'm in....i usually just say "computer stuff". people don't care all that much what you do out here, everyone inflates what they do big time.

[Veloce]

I've been living here for 12 years.

Lots of truth on this thread.

L.A. is super spread out. You can't really generalize the entire city. Lots of stereotypes are true.

Yes, you can be a server and spend all your free time in the sun, surfing, and chasing pussy. A large demographic here are actors who are doing absolutely nothing with their life except chasing a futile dream.

I pay $1300 a month, which is a lot for me. It's a tiny 1 bedroom but it has a nice view. It's up on a hill literally a block away from the Viper Room (where River Phoenix ODed). I can walk to some good venues and I walk to work, which is good since I don't have a car right now.

The bus system takes at least twice as long to get where you're going as by car.

You can rent a tiny studio for 800 in decent areas. I do mean tiny though. If you're will to live in slightly sketchier areas you can get pretty nice places, 1 bedrooms with hardwood floor and shit for $1000.

Hollywood is bogus IMO. Also don't get that Brentwood recommendation. Brentwood is a much older scene. I highly recommend West Hollywood, Downtown, and Venice for the "L.A. experience". Downtown is more down to earth, West Hollywood is glamorous, and Venice is full of slutty beach girls. In a nutshell.

Many people that move here for the first time wind up in the Valley, and that's okay. By valley I mean studio city, sherman oaks, north hollywood, glendale, burbank, etc. You get a lot more bang for your buck and it's much more down to earth, though parts of the valley are an absolute suburban nightmare. Nightlife can be quite good, but it's more of a local neighborhood feel, not as much smoking hot models strutting around in 5 inch heels and micro miniskirts and dresses, though good luck pulling those girls.

I'm a chef here. You'll find that most people here are either in the entertainment industry, or are in a service industry that supports the entertainment industry.

There's a lot going for this city other than girls.

In my experience SNLs are hard here because of logistics. There's very little bar hopping since places are so far apart, though this is changing, especially downtown. You can now bar hop downtown, which was not the case 5+ years ago.

I've never really lived anywhere else, so I can't compare the pickup scene. Girls are very flaky. I collect numbers at an amazing rate, but I'd say my conversion rate is low, but that just might be holes in my game. 7s and below are almost always very approachable, which is great because an L.A. 7 is very often an 8 in other parts of the country. L.A. 8s and above tend to have thicker bitch shields and are very interested in status. Those stereotypes are true.

I reckon if you were a casting director here, you'd get more pussy than a toilet seat. I've banged several actresses who were open about their past flings with casting directors. The acting business in general is very incestuous, lots of actors in plays and in production companies wind up fucking each other.

If there are any specifics you wanna know just PM me

[Rurik]

Pico is a decent area. You can find stuff for under 800 there. North Hollywood is also an option. Honestly, I've seen studios in Santa Monica for just below 800. It's not that bad.

Weho is fucking pricy. Avoid hollywood/vine area. Living in the Fairfax area is probably optimal if you want to be close to hollywood.

[Rurik]

LA is not that great for just pure game IMO. If you have some stupid position that has some meaning to a girl, like assistant producer, casting director, dj or some other little "niche" AND you chase pussy, then yes, you are in for some good options.

[Screwston]

Damn LA is expensive. Do the prices drop down once you leave the "hip" areas? I thought Echo Park was a gang area? My boy keeps on telling me to go visit him out there. He's born and raised in LA and lives somewhere on the eastside. He's a rocker dude with tattoos and could hopefully get me in the circle I've seen the talent on Facebook.

Everyone I know, including him, says its like a bigger version of Houston. Big, dirty, spread out, traffic, ugly, all kinds of people. I wouldn't mind living there for a year or 2 just to soak it in if that's true. I love big, dirty cities that are spread out like a maze.

[modernaire]

(06-02-2012 02:40 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

Pico is a decent area. You can find stuff for under 800 there. North Hollywood is also an option. Honestly, I've seen studios in Santa Monica for just below 800. It's not that bad.

Weho is fucking pricy. Avoid hollywood/vine area. Living in the Fairfax area is probably optimal if you want to be close to hollywood.

Hollywood & Vine is a trendy area with some good nightclubs..why avoid it?

[HeyPete]

I grew up in San Diego, but went to college in Los Angeles and stayed for a few years after. This was all in the 90's (college and the years after). I also have a ton a relatives that live all over the Southland, so even though I grew up in SD, I spent plenty of my youth in LA.

I also lived in St. Louis (3 years), Minneapolis (1 year) and Chicago (1 year), so I'll relate some things back to what it was like for me when I was in the midwest.

My first piece of advice is be yourself and don't try and change into something that is going to take to much work to pull off. I've met so many people that moved from the midwest or south or wherever and they think they have to buy into every cliche. The cliched behavior is a really small group of people and they have a tendency to be from somewhere else. It's 80% girls who do this, but I've seen dudes fall prey to it too.

Do you know where you will be working? Because it will be crucial into plotting out the neighborhoods you want to target. And realize that their are neighborhoods within larger neighborhoods that are perfectly useful and can be affordable.

$800 pretty much means you will need a roommate. But there are spots where you can make it work on your own -- especially if you can bump up to 850 or 875.

Hollywood has changed for the worse (to me) since it's second heyday in the mid 90's. There were so many good dive bars and hot spots that were overtaken by douchebags. Especially after Swingers. The decline escalated when Hollywood and Highland was developed. Still the older buildings in the area have reasonable rents.

I'll skip over college living, because that was in dorms or packed three to a room, because I had zilch dollars.

One area I lived in was East Hollywood/Los Feliz, specifically Thai Town, but some people call it Little Armenia, too. Anyway, it's apartments are an older stock, but there are lots of them and they are affordable. My old building had 16 units and over half were single chicks. At the end of my block to the south was a strip club, a thai food place that stayed open until 6 a.m. and a few bars. A few blocks west, on Franklin, was an area with two bars, a coffee house, record store etc. A few blocks east was Vermont Ave. which has a ton of restaurants and bars. A block over from there was Hillhurst -- which was the same as Vermont. At my favorite watering hole on Vermont, it seemed like every chick was the quality of those early 20-year olds on CW shows.

These places are all walkable or a small fare cab ride. There are major bus routes along Franklin (just north) and Hollywood Blvd. (just south).

If you're into spotting celebs, Los Feliz is filled with them. I used to see anyone from Athony Edwards to Forrest Whitaker to Madonna. But after two visits to the Coffee Bean on Hillhurst, I realized Lauren Graham (the mom from Gilmore Girls) would go there frequently. She was at her hottest then. If I was Roosh I would have approached. Haha.

Also, the main core of Hollywood is only about a mile or so west. Downtown is about 6 to 7 miles and Silverlake is about 3 miles. All easy bus rides or cab rides. The subway stop is about a mile south to go into downtown.

If you are into exotic women, and who isn't, this area was filled with hot Thai women. Some speak very little english, but I got a bang from a woman who lived in the neighborhood and worked for Thai Airways. There are also numerous Hungarians, Russians and Armenians. Armenian girls can be extremely hot, but most are not.

Like I said earlier my apt. bldg had a several single girls. I didn't run any game on them, because it almost felt like a work situation (don't shit where you eat). But they were all at least 6s and one was a 9, being cool to them got me access to all of their friends. They were from all over too. England, New Zealand, Minnesota, Colorado, Massachusetts, Upstate NY and Florida.

In all there are like 12 similar buildings on both sides of the street and for blocks and blocks in either direction.

If you are into hiking (I'm not. I wish I was, sluts love to hike). Griffith Park is just north which is a wilderness with 4,000-foot mountains in the middle of the city. Beachwood Canyon is also about a mile away.

There is some gang activity south of Hollywood Blvd. And you will see some Armenian Power gang members in the neighborhood, but you will be invisible to them. I always found, you don't mess with them they won't care about you.

I'm writing too much here, so I 'll start to condense.

ANother favorite neighborhood I lived was Atwater Village. It's wedged in between the LA River and Glendale. It's an older blue collar neighborhood with plenty of amenities (bars, restauarants, coffee houses, etc.). It's a couple of miles east of the first neighborhood I wrote about. It feels more isoalted from the city for some reason, but being close to Glendale you have all that suburban stuff if you need it (malls, big box stores etc.).

There wasn't as many singles, but I've heard (since it's afforable) that it is becoming more of a singles area.

I also lived in Harvard Heights which is really affordable. It's on the south end of Koreatown and really close to downtown. I lived in an old 15-story apt. bldg. There were some cute girls there, too, but some sketchy lifers who have been there when it was rent controlled and never left. If you want to know what it looks like, the building they used to show that Seinfeld lived in was actually a building in Harvard Heights.
The area is rough around the edges, but I absolutely loved Koreatown. It's a 24-hour neighborhood with a lot of activity with shit everywhere. It's definitely Korean, so if that's not your thing you might not like it. Bar time in CA is 2 a.m., but there were so many places in Koreatown that outright ignored that law it was easy to find a place to go late night. They were subject to being shutdown, but when they were two more would pop up.

Korean women are my favorite asians, but like many asians they are very insular and tough to crack. There are also numerous upscale message places where you can get a massage and happy ending from a hot Korean chick for minimal expense. They also have Chinese, Thai, Mexican, Filipina and other ethnicities working in them. On those nights when we didn't close, it was sometimes cool to roll in at 3 a.m. -- look at the board who was working, pick the hottest -- and be taken care of. Eun Mi was my favorite. She was maybe 19 and adorable as hell.

Me: "Take off your top while you work your magic."

Her: (giggle) "oohhh no. I geet in much trouble. (giggle)

Me: C'mon. It's late. No one will check.

Her: (giggle) "oooh. (giggle). No. (giggle) ok. This time I do it. I take off."

Me: "You're a bad, bad girl."

I also lived in Studio City and Larchmont. Those are more pricey, but nice. Live as close as possible to Ventura Blvd if you choose Studio City or anywhere in the valley.

After living in the midwest for 5 years, it is much, much, much easier to pull there, even in Chicago, than SoCal. St. Louis was the weakest of the three in terms of talent, but some 9s in StL let me sample the menu. If those same girls had grown up in SoCal, they would have rather shit on me than even let me peek at the goods.

Anyway, this got too long, but I hope it helps. I know a little something about most areas in SoCal just contact me if you need any help.

Oh yeah and you know those days people go apeshit over in the Midwest? That's what the weather is like about 90% of the time.

[Basil Ransom]

+1 on finding your niche. I spent a year living in the wrong place, and it was a mistake. Aside from the fact that it wasn't a perfect fit, social networks were too strong. Every girl knew 20 alpha dudes she could bang at a moment's notice. I even met a girl, an ex-roommate's tenant, who told me she had had two dicks on dial, one of whom was a The Bachelor contestant, IIRC, and this chick was a chubby freaky 7 at best. Guys had hot girlfriends there, but when it came to pulling, I'd see good looking dudes hauling swamp donkeys home.

It's muuuch easier to game chicks who don't have 100 friends in a half mile radius. The most open girls are the ones with the least developed circles. I just started going to Hollywood, to the more low-profile joints, and the transience of the people there works to your advantage.

[Kish]

(06-01-2012 06:30 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 12:31 PM)TheNatural Wrote:  

The key with chicks in L.A. is to get them in the first few months of moving here before they are totally corrupted.

Bingo.

You can meet these chicks on buses, or during daygame.

They haven't "clicked in" to a social circle yet, are in need of people. They will be way easier to bang. Be on the look out for FOB russian girls.

Definitely screen for new transplants.

Wouldn't this be true for every major city? The only difference is...in LA those recent transplants are aspiring actresses and models.

[Rurik]

(06-02-2012 05:14 AM)modernaire Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 02:40 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

Pico is a decent area. You can find stuff for under 800 there. North Hollywood is also an option. Honestly, I've seen studios in Santa Monica for just below 800. It's not that bad.

Weho is fucking pricy. Avoid hollywood/vine area. Living in the Fairfax area is probably optimal if you want to be close to hollywood.

Hollywood & Vine is a trendy area with some good nightclubs..why avoid it?

You should avoid it because it's a gigantic overpriced tourist trap that sucks to live in. You don't want it as your neighborhood. It has insane traffic all the time, at day, and at night, and is filled with crowds who come to see the walk of fame and all that stupid crap. I mean, you should scope it out, and if you want to live in something like that then go ahead.

The Pico-Robertson area gives you better bang for your buck, and is still only 10 minutes from all the clubs on sunset strip (which is pretty dead these days), other parts of Weho, and the Hollywood and Highland/Vine area.

[Lemmo]

I've lived in both the Midwest and LA. Moving to a US city for the purpose of women doesn't make sense. You'd be better off in any large city in another developed, semi-developed and even some third world countries. LA, like many US cities, is largely a Mexican/migrant slum with a tiny minority of attractive women. Your budget will not work in your favor in accessing these women. Unless you have a taste for slum dwellers, you will find higher average quality in Des Moines and Chicago than LA.

[Veloce]

Agree on Hollywood and Vine. Last place I'd live.

That area that HeyPete mentioned is where my buddy lives for 1k a month. Nice one bedroom hardwood floor place. His entire neighborhood is Armenian mafia, dudes in beat up shithole apartments driving $80k cars. But they don't fuck with you unless you ask for it. There's a good bar there now called Harvard and Stone with smoking hot but obnoxious hipster bitches, and amazing Thai food around there.

Echo park is up and coming. Not as cheap as it used to be but still way more bang for your buck than the westside. Probably not much chance of violent crime but I wouldn't park my car on the street at night there, depending on which block.

Koreatown is the same way. I used to live there and had a bike stolen, heard a woman running down the street in the middle of the night screaming for help once, but that's it. LAPD has a website that reports crime on a daily basis, most of it is petty theft or people breaking into cars and stealing shit.

Most violent crime happens outside of bars.

Anyone planning on moving here should just meet up with someone that lives here and take a tour. I've moved probably 10 times in the time I've lived here; where you live makes a huge difference in your lifestyle, in pulling broads, and in just being happy here. A lot of people hate it their first year here, god knows I did, but that's because I was living with a 46 year old Mexican dude named Raoul out in Pasadena whose meth dealing girlfriend would come over at 3 in the morning screaming her head off while I had to wake up at 7am to go to cooking school.

[Basil Ransom]

Haha I went to Harvard and Stone for the first time recently with a wing and we both liked it. I didn't find the girls obnoxious - there were a number of cute approachable girls, and the guys don't approach, which compensated for a bad ratio. Plus the free burlesque show was pretty fun. One of my new favorite spots.

[modernaire]

I also like Asian women alot (specifically SE Asian). For a lot of guys, it sounds like LA isn't the best place, but most guys are also regular guys that probably would simply feel more at home in the midwest - it's the opposite for me. You do see more "alternative" styled guys in LA who do very well...or guys who would be dismissed (or at least considered) as "gay" in the midwest/south for being too stylish and not having the straitjacketed "git'er done" personality so many in the midwest have. Most place, it's the regular guys who rule. I will say, I did see quite a few guys who looked directly from the midwest and they weren't tourists there.

Other big cities have small crowds of guys who don't fit the norm - but you are always judged on it and people just aren't as fun. Of course, you can find ways around this, but why not goto LA and try it.

Everytime I've visited LA I knew it was the place for me.

[slubu]

Similar to another poster in this thread, I've lived my adult life in Southern California. Through my years I've heard from people that either lived here then left to another city, or came here from another city, LA is the hardest place to pull girls. There's a number of likely reasons for this. First, last call is at 1:30 a.m., so you only have a finite amount of time to work on pulling a girl. Some places don't even get going until after 11, so you are really only looking at 2-3 hours of time. While there are after hours places and people do have afterparties, those are not always great or guaranteed. Just compared to other cities when you can stay out longer, it is more conducive to hooking up.

Next, is the lack of public transportation. Someone is always driving when you go to a bar or club. Guys take cabs, girls drive. So this translates poorly, because often times one girl in the cackle will be sober and cockblock like a champion. Another related negative is the lack of public transport makes it hard to venture out of your own area. If you live in Santa Monica and want to go out in Hollywood, you are looking at a 50-70 cab fare each way. Or you drive and you hit traffic and risk potential DUIs. Girls do often times venture out of their area, but then you run into the sober cockblock effect again.

I myself lived in LA from 1998 - 2004, then OC from 2004 and to the present. I still go out in LA occasionally. Some differences I find are that LA girls tend to be:
- More materialistic
- Hotter
- Better fashion
- More concerned about your job
- Drink more
- Less slutty
- Bitchier

than their OC counterparts. However, that is a hard generality to make because as others have posted, the areas matter. A hipster in Los Feliz is not going to have the same attitude as the ex-sorority girl in Hermosa. The Asian in downtown will react differently than the Persian girl in Beverly Hills. The quality ranges too. Circa 2002, WeHo/Hollywood was ridiculous. If you could get into the right club at the right time, you'd be surrounded by models and celebrities. That will not happen very often on a consistent basis outside LA except for NY and maybe Miami, though I've never been to the latter.

Another problem is competition. There are rich guys here, powerful guys here, famous guys here, ripped guys here, etc. And sadly, I've seen even 6s get star treatment before from guys and it goes to their heads. And it's not uncommon to show up somewhere and have Maseratis and Bentleys parked up front. It's tough.

On the plus side, there are a lot of girls. An endless sea that grows daily as more of them import here. There is some truth about catching girls right when they get here. My last ex I met within a month of her moving here from Ohio. They are just less jaded to the whole LA scene when they are fresh. They don't know about slutting it up to get in clubs, about afterparties with coke mountains, how they will get hit on by 20 guys a night and have their choice of numbers to respond to.

With all that said, I'm moving back to LA this year for a number of reasons. I won't lie, largely it's based on the fact that it's harder to find a bigger concentration of beauties in the US outside LA or NYC. Even just being 40 miles south in OC, there are plenty of hot girls, but they tend to cap at 8, whereas in LA they cap at 9 (with obvious exceptions for the occasional bombshell). But in average, the LA girls are hotter. Not sure where I'm going to end up, but I will try to make it as logistically friendly as possible.

[TheNatural]

If you are looking to spend less than $800 then you should look into a roommate situation. Decent 1 bedrooms in decent areas start around $1100-$1200.

The SF Valley is a good starting point for recent transplants just make sure you stay close to Ventura Blvd. and East of the 405 otherwise you be in the hellish part of the Valley.

I see there are alot of member from the LA AREA that's cool.

I consider myself somewhat of an expert in the field of banging LA Latinas so if you need any help with that PM me. I have tons of low key spots that I'm not quite ready to divulge to the entire forum yet until I reach at least 100 posts.

[Tex Pro]

(06-01-2012 12:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Was recently talking to this dude who lived all over Europe as well as the east coast and he said L.A. is the toughest place he's been in so far.

LA definately isn't an easy place to pull if you are aiming for the top shelf talent. I've been to LA several times, and I would say it is a terrible place for the average guy to run game unless you have some "niche" that you can tap, as has already been explained in previous comments.

[modernaire]

It sounds like the 'real' competition is centered around the 20-26 age bracket of hot women...they are usually the ones the powerful men are after as well.

How is it for age 27 - 40? Cougars? I know LA has a lot of them.

From what I've read here, LA sounds difficult. I've also heard from people that it can be easier, given the sheer amount of women, and attractive women up to 40s, and how some women view is trendy to be dating an "aspiring actor" if he's actually taken seriously. Also, lots of the powerful men (the ones behind the camera) usually aren't that good looking and tend to be very ethnic (persian, jewish, etc).

My question was, LA being a looks-driven society more than most places, that a good-looking guy who moves there, doesn't have the pressure he'd have elsewhere of being a "provider" with a career-minded job. You can just tell people you're an aspiring actor, musician, etc. I wondered how common this actually was. In the midwest, it's very different, too many people accept old age sooner. The midwest after college, you're literally relying on divorced women, usually with kids as well. The good ones are already married, or in the process of being re-married.

You might have 1 woman in her 20's, past her college years who is available for at least 10 guys. Then you have divorced guys who are after those women too. I think the numbers of women in LA can only be a good thing.

[speakeasy]

(06-02-2012 12:42 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

I've lived in both the Midwest and LA. Moving to a US city for the purpose of women doesn't make sense. You'd be better off in any large city in another developed, semi-developed and even some third world countries. LA, like many US cities, is largely a Mexican/migrant slum with a tiny minority of attractive women. Your budget will not work in your favor in accessing these women. Unless you have a taste for slum dwellers, you will find higher average quality in Des Moines and Chicago than LA.

^^^ This is nonsense.

[Tex Pro]

(06-02-2012 03:09 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

It sounds like the 'real' competition is centered around the 20-26 age bracket of hot women...they are usually the ones the powerful men are after as well.

How is it for age 27 - 40? Cougars? I know LA has a lot of them.

From what I've read here, LA sounds difficult. I've also heard from people that it can be easier, given the sheer amount of women, and attractive women up to 40s, and how some women view is trendy to be dating an "aspiring actor" if he's actually taken seriously. Also, lots of the powerful men (the ones behind the camera) usually aren't that good looking and tend to be very ethnic (persian, jewish, etc).

My question was, LA being a looks-driven society more than most places, that a good-looking guy who moves there, doesn't have the pressure he'd have elsewhere of being a "provider" with a career-minded job. You can just tell people you're an aspiring actor, musician, etc. I wondered how common this actually was. In the midwest, it's very different, too many people accept old age sooner. The midwest after college, you're literally relying on divorced women, usually with kids as well. The good ones are already married, or in the process of being re-married.

You might have 1 woman in her 20's, past her college years who is available for at least 10 guys. Then you have divorced guys who are after those women too. I think the numbers of women in LA can only be a good thing.

You should visit LA first before you commit to moving there, IMO. Some of what you say is definately true for LA, but I would be hessitant to recommend LA to an average dude.

[TheNatural]

(06-02-2012 03:09 PM)modernaire Wrote:  

It sounds like the 'real' competition is centered around the 20-26 age bracket of hot women...they are usually the ones the powerful men are after as well.

How is it for age 27 - 40? Cougars? I know LA has a lot of them.

From what I've read here, LA sounds difficult. I've also heard from people that it can be easier, given the sheer amount of women, and attractive women up to 40s, and how some women view is trendy to be dating an "aspiring actor" if he's actually taken seriously. Also, lots of the powerful men (the ones behind the camera) usually aren't that good looking and tend to be very ethnic (persian, jewish, etc).

My question was, LA being a looks-driven society more than most places, that a good-looking guy who moves there, doesn't have the pressure he'd have elsewhere of being a "provider" with a career-minded job. You can just tell people you're an aspiring actor, musician, etc. I wondered how common this actually was. In the midwest, it's very different, too many people accept old age sooner. The midwest after college, you're literally relying on divorced women, usually with kids as well. The good ones are already married, or in the process of being re-married.

You might have 1 woman in her 20's, past her college years who is available for at least 10 guys. Then you have divorced guys who are after those women too. I think the numbers of women in LA can only be a good thing.

Let me clarify something for you Hollywood is a 'looks driven society' The city of Los Angeles is just like any other city in regards to looks...

In the 27-40 age you can find more Single gems in this range in LA than any other place in the US besides Miami. If you want these type of chicks your best bet is to 'suit up' at Hotel Bars, Lounges, Rootop Bars, Art Galleries etc...I have a feeling that these chicks know they're past their prime in LA because of the sheer number of hot young chicks running around.

As far as the 'aspiring actor' title I wouldn't use it until you have actually gotten some parts otherwise you will be lumped into the same old loser category as many others burnouts.

LA is not a hard place at all to get women, because of what you said NUMBERS, although Day Game is crucial because bitch shields go up around 9pm and don't come down till around 1 am.

As far as being a "provider" it's all about the the vibe YOU give off; you control what they think about you not the other way around.

Los Angeles is a city of Perpetual Adolescence...

[Rurik]

(06-02-2012 03:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 12:42 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

I've lived in both the Midwest and LA. Moving to a US city for the purpose of women doesn't make sense. You'd be better off in any large city in another developed, semi-developed and even some third world countries. LA, like many US cities, is largely a Mexican/migrant slum with a tiny minority of attractive women. Your budget will not work in your favor in accessing these women. Unless you have a taste for slum dwellers, you will find higher average quality in Des Moines and Chicago than LA.

^^^ This is nonsense.

The "slum dwellers" part is a little over the top, but I pretty much agree that average attractiveness of LA is not that great, and is drastically overrated due to media garbage. The truth is that LA city is 50 percent hispanic, many of them being squat, rotund looking lower class mexican women, though there are some hot latinas. East of LA is almost 100 percent hispanic. Even Compton is 65 percent hispanic now. Bear in mind, most of these bitches aren't long legged columbians or venezuelans, but round shaped guatemalans and mexicans. Don't say you weren't warned.

LA itself is also 10 percent asian, 10 percent black, and 30 percent NH white (which includes many middle easterners, armenians, and jews of all types).

The irony is that the stereotype of the blonde LA girl is just not a true representation of the average, or random sample woman. A lot of the hot blondes blue eyed girls are actually part jewish, fyi.

The advantage in LA is I would say women are generally more open than say a place like the pacific northwest, yet at the same time LA kind of feels like a big club, so they are very conscious of status.

With tight game, you can do damage, but I wouldn't come unless you know how to mack well already, or have some decent connections.

[speakeasy]

This article is a must-read for anyone that is considering coming here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-ali-bin...79298.html

Quote:

Dr. Ali Binazir
Posted: December 8, 2009 02:56 PM
Is Los Angeles the Toughest Town for Singles?

Little known fact: I went to high school in Los Angeles, so I'm kind of from Los Angeles. So when I found myself back in LA after a long hiatus, it was a bit of a homecoming. I looked forward to perpetually sunny climes, rollerblading on the boardwalk, and the general openness of the people. The perceived abundance of friendly, fit women didn’t hurt either.

However, the quality of my love life was worse than it had been in any other city. For the first two years, I just assumed I had suddenly gotten ugly and stupid. Then I heard multitudes of other people voicing similar experiences.

Now after six years of being in this town, conducting dating seminars, answering thousands of readers’ letters and writing The Tao of Dating for Women and The Tao of Dating for Men, I’m pretty sure that Los Angeles is a particularly tough city to be single in – perhaps the toughest in the US. Here are one man’s observations on the challenges of socializing and dating in LA:

1. According to the Singles Map, the sex ratio in LA sucks.

Anthropologists have noticed a statistic that correlates nicely with the social and sexual permissiveness of a population. It’s called the sex ratio – the number of men for every 100 women. In places where the sex ratio is low (i.e. excess of women over men), social mores are relaxed, women go out a lot, and everyone has a ball. Where the sex ratio is high (i.e. excess of men), people go out less and attitudes are more conservative. No one knows exactly why this is, but it makes sense.

This correlation tracks in large populations (e.g. whole countries like Russia) and smaller ones (e.g. cities, towns and university campuses). According to the latest singles map from the 2006 US Census, New York has a 211,000 surplus of single women over single men, while LA has 89,000 more single men than women. Accordingly, dating in New York City is fun, while dating in Los Angeles sucks. This statistic alone may be the single biggest cause of the lackluster love lives of singles in LA.

2. Large distances in the world’s biggest city create a real barrier to intimacy.

Let’s say you meet someone you like -- cute, fun, smart, funny. You ask where this person lives --“Silver Lake.” You live 20 miles away in Santa Monica -- and that’s not just any 20 miles. It’s 20 miles through one of the most car-jammed concrete jungles on the planet, with no efficient public transport to speak of. And your helicopter’s in the shop. Again.

20 miles is a perfectly reasonable distance to travel in the 5,000+ square miles of Los Angeles to get somewhere. Yet, it is totally unreasonable by human terms. It’s almost twice the length of Manhattan (13 miles) and enough distance to cross a couple of national borders in Europe.

And so the activation energy of meeting someone not nearby goes up. Physics tells us that the higher the activation energy, the less frequent the event. So people become less likely to meet to get to know one another casually.

Contrast this with New York City. Even though the times required to get around in NYC are comparable, the perceived effort of taking the subway or hopping in a cab is much less than driving yourself through snarls of traffic. Hence people there are much more willing to go places and meet up.

Which brings us to…

3. Lack of pedestrian culture reduces opportunities for casual contact.

Whenever I visit Boston, New York or London, I bump into friends – on the sidewalk, on the subway, in the parks. This casual, unforced, unpremeditated contact is the cornerstone of building social relations. That’s why our closest friends tend to come from work and school.

That casual contact is missing in LA, because we spend a lot of time in our wheeled steel cages. As as in the song by Missing Persons, “Nobody walks in LA.” And if you want to meet someone again, you have to coordinate busy schedules, make a one-on-one date and travel (see #2) – a higher-stakes proposition than bumping into someone and grabbing an apropos drink. The higher energy required for making a date means that it happens less often.

4. Transportation challenges make even the best-intentioned people flaky.

Traffic in LA is unpredictable; as a result, even the best-intentioned people end up being late more often than they wish.

Here’s the psychology of what I think happens: once you’ve been late or missed an appointment for reasons beyond your control, your brain has to make a choice: “I’m flaky so I’m a bad person” vs. “Flakiness is okay.” To avoid cognitive dissonance, the unconscious choice that most people make is to validate the unintended bad behavior.

Showing up late, not showing up at all and breaking promises can then become the norm. When that happens enough times to enough people, you end up in a legendarily flaky city, and social and dating life encounter more obstacles.

5. The transience of the city’s entertainment culture adds an aura of impermanence and unreliability to social ties.

A lot of people come to LA to make it in the entertainment industry, which is a fleeting, fickle creature. Is it too farfetched to see that fickleness permeating all the way down to the participants in that industry and their social bonds?

A peculiar energy permeates a town when so many people are trying to advance an ego-based agenda – my role, my song, my script – which may not be the most conducive energy for building meaningful, lasting relationships. Bringing us to…

6. Dating people in the entertainment industry is fraught with unique challenges.

I’ve already written another article about dating actors, so I’ll make this brief: dating people with uncertain finances, erratic schedules and fragile egos is a challenge requiring saintlier patience than most people possess.

7. Nightlife shuts down at 1am and you have to drive your own butt home afterwards.

Last call being 2am in Los Angeles, most establishments start kicking you out at 1am. So just when things have started to get interesting, the party shuts down. In cities like Berlin, New York, London, Barcelona and Paris, people often start going out at 1am, and the social life is correspondingly more raucous.

Lack of public transport also means that people stay sober enough to drive back home. As a result, the social lubricant effects of alcohol don't operate in the same way as in a city with public transport.

Mathematically stated, less party time + less imbibing of adult beverages = less fun. This, plus the other six aforementioned factors, may very well make LA the toughest big city in the US to be single in.

I've found that the best way to overcome these challenges is to carve out a smaller, more local niche of friends based on shared interests and to cultivate that group with intimate events like book clubs, mixers, dinner parties and game nights. How have you managed to create a lively community of friends in spite of tough odds

I think this last paragraph especially echos some of what others have said in here. Having a niche is very important in this town. It is harder to meet women outside of your social connections than most places. I've had the experience some other guys have here. I put in the work to approach, have good conversation, kino, get the number, maybe even a kiss, then the bitch never even returns my text or gets all flakey about meeting up. Shit like that happens here ALL THE FUCKING TIME. And it ain't just me, my friends who are out in the field report the same. If the girl is already in your niche or in some way connected to you socially, that cuts the likelihood of flakiness down by at least 50%.