[teh_skeeze]

I was accused of rape back in February.

I had met a girl off a contact thread on 4chan (should have been a red flag right there).

She contacted me on skype and we hit it off fairly quick. Turned out we lived 20 minutes apart and decided to meet up that weekend.

I meet her at a park and we bullshit for a little bit, but I knew she was really there to hook up. So I made my move some 15 minutes after meeting her. After a few hours of hanging out in the woods and messing around (kissing and playing with her tits) we decide to go to her house. We watched some movies and ended the night with me eating her out and getting a blowjob.

We continue to talk on skype just about everyday (red flag number 2) and decide to hang out the next Friday. This time I cavemaned it and stuck it in raw. Turned out she was on her period, so we stopped because she was uncomfortable. I cleaned up and she finished me off in her mouth (she swallows). After that I hang out with her for 5 hours watching TV and movies until she goes out to meet up with a friend.

She contacts me later that night. I ask her if she had a good time and she said yes. We talk for maybe a half hour and she goes to bed. The next morning I contact her. She goes to take a shower and when she comes back she says "You know you raped me right?"

At first I play it off as a joke, I did meet her off of 4chan afterall, and during previous conversations she was asking me if I would choke her during sex. After she says "If I told my father, he would kill you" I knew she wasn't joking and I stop talking to her and save our entire internet correspondence. She told me not to worry because she wasn't going to tell anybody, but I knew better.

Two days later I get a phone call from her. I don't know why I picked up the phone, but I did. She says "Why did you rape me? You know I didn't want to have sex until after I got on birth control. You heard me say NO. I want you to apologize." I went into POW mode and said "If this is why you called me I'm hanging up". I didn't know if she was recording or not. She said "Fine, bye".

The next morning I have a detective from her town and a detective from the county knocking on my door. "We have a little matter we'd like to discuss with you. Mind coming down with us?"

I gave them some bullshit about having to run some errands for my family before coming down and agree to meet them in a few hours. I'm shitting bricks at this point. What the fuck am I going to do? I didn't rape her, but it's a he said/she said story and I could certainly be arrested.

I go down to meet the detectives at the County Prosecutor's office. The County detective meets me and she starts making small talk with me. She's trying to get me comfortable with talking to her so I'll be more likely to talk when they put the heat on. We get into the interrogation room and the town detective is there and he's got his arms crossed and a scowl on his face. As far as he's concerned, I'm guilty. The female detective is leading the questioning and it's mostly small talk. I notice that she has her shirt unbuttoned and her bra is hanging out. She was quite attractive and I wonder if it was a ploy to see if my sexual deviance would show.

After about 5 minutes of nothing, she puts my Miranda Rights in front of me.

Miranda Rights
After reading and hearing your rights do you understand them? Yes
After reading and hearing your rights do you wish to continue the conversation? No

"NO? Well, since you asked for a lawyer, we legally can't continue this conversation (trying to make me feel bad)"

"Please wait here a minute."

They leave the room and come back a moment later. I ask if I'm free to go, and I am. I never contacted a lawyer because I can't afford one. I haven't heard from them since. The funny part is, the cops never told me why they wanted to question me, and I never asked because I already knew.

My mistake was talking with her too much. I built a comfort level with her that was in contrast to who I actually am.

[Samseau]

Skeeze... wow. Reads like a story out of Soviet Russia

[Vacancier Permanent]

Thanks for sharing your experience skweeze That's some scary shit.
Good thing you saved all the internet conversations you've had with that crazy girl. After you left the interrogation room, did she try to contact you later on? Be very very careful guys, there are some crazy hoes out there and they know that they can get away with pretty much anything as the laws are on their side and so are the fucked up white knigts and betas. Thread with caution.

[teh_skeeze]

She never contacted me. I had already removed her from skype after she removed me from facebook. This was before the call that I'm pretty sure she was recording.

For a while I would jump and look out the window whenever I heard a car coming down by my house (I live at the end of a dead end street). I'm fairly certain I'm out of the woods, but I still have the conversations saved just in case.

The craziest part was I pulled a more aggressive version of the same move on this married chick whose kid was one of my students. When we finished, she squirmed as she stood up and pulled up her one piece and said "I want more".

[Vacancier Permanent]

Make sure you save the conversations not only on your computer but I would go as far as not only burning them onto a cd but also onto your email inbox and also onto one of those online storage places in case your computer crashes or gets lots/stolen. Better be safe than sorry. Specially nowadays with the bitches and the fuked up law in NA.

[teh_skeeze]

I put them on an SD card because I did not want the cops taking my computer should it have gotten to that point. I had a lot of dangerous shit on my computer and I wiped it clean and ran search and destroy which writes over all of your deleted info so the authorities can't get it.

[Screwston]

Damn skeeze. Good to hear that you came out ok. Hopefully that bitch gets what she deserves for pulling that shit!

[teh_skeeze]

The only thing I hope is that they did a rape kit on her because that would be the closest thing to actual rape that happened to her.

From what I could gather from reading they body language of the cops was the male wanted to charge me and the female had her doubts (I think she may have been slightly charmed by me). I can't be sure, but I think they went to the DA and he/she said to let me go because there was probably little chance of conviction.

My understanding of rape accusations is that the police don't focus on the actual act, but the events afterwards. When I didn't talk, they probably went back to her and said "He lawyered up. If we are going to move forward with this, you are going to have to take the stand." Which of course scared the shit out of her and she dropped it.

It was pure solipsism on her part. She told me that she is afraid of the police and figured that I had the same fear. Little did she know is that I've had so many run ins with the cops that I'm more comfortable dealing with them than I am opening an HB10

[Screwston]

It might even be a good idea to have a cheap ass pay as you go phone for dealing with lizards. They don't put it under your name, anyone can get one, your address isn't on file, no contracts, etc. Keep your real phone for family, friends, business, etc.

[Cincinnatus]

(05-30-2012 01:23 AM)houston Wrote:  

It might even be a good idea to have a cheap ass pay as you go phone for dealing with lizards. They don't put it under your name, anyone can get one, your address isn't on file, no contracts, etc. Keep your real phone for family, friends, business, etc.

Thing is though, if you're under investigation without knowing it (and all they have to go on is a phone number), then surely the authorities can track it.

Tip for the fellas that I already use - never use your real name with chicks. I've been a lot of names over the years, mostly so if I knock some broad up, she'll have a harder time tracking me for child support.

[Asmodeus]

(05-30-2012 12:54 AM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

From what I could gather from reading they body language of the cops was the male wanted to charge me and the female had her doubts (I think she may have been slightly charmed by me).

Player till the end.

[Wreckingball]

So some things in order to prevent this shit from happening are:
-Tape it
-Send a message saying "i enjoyed the night" or some shit like that and wait for a positive reply
-Use false names and pay as you go card



I read the testimonials and I really feel for you guys. Surely would not want to be in that position.

[christpuncher]

This is some scary shit. Regarding the prevention methods being discussed; I'm sure they are better than nothing, but consider:

- If you have a hidden camera in your bedroom and then need to use it as evidence, there will be some strong "you're a pervert" vibes coming from the police, prosecutor and jury, should it get that far..
- Any morning after confirmation texts will probably be worth the weight of the paper they're printed on. She would easily say "I was scared and so confused so I just pretended it didn't happen"
- A false name is great if you intend it to be a one night stand and never take her to your place or text her (at all). But if you were caught and shit went down, you'd have some pretty serious splanin' to do to the jury... If I were using a fake name, it would be my middle name, for plausible deniability.

If I were trying to protect myself, and I may just do this when I get my own apartment, I would have an overt video surveillance system with a camera in every room of my place. She would ask about it, or I would point it out to her when bringing her home. I would explain that I had a break in last year and the insurance company suggested I install a security system. There would be a camera in the bedroom, somewhat covert as not to draw attention, but not "hidden". I bet you would only lose 1/20 lays for this due to "creepiness". A price worth paying I'd say.
I think this would make any bitch seriously think twice about going to the cops.

[tomtud]

After reading these horrendous stories how can the judicial establishment stand for this? These false accusers need to be punished!! No excuses.

[Ehnulo]

Be careful with the video camera recordings. I know recording a phone call in most states is illegal (& inadmisable in court) without consent during the call. I'd be surprised if using a hidden video camera to record sex without her consent was admisable.

[bacon]

when i lived in the US i also used a hidden cam which was annoying but in the event i faced charges IT IS YOUR BEST DEFENSE.

in my honest opinion the legal system in the US/UK is scary and these false rape allegations are something guys living there need to worry about.

I still go the US for a couple weeks to visit family and friends every year. when i am there i dont even bother hooking up with chicks just out of fear of this happening.

in mexico it is very difficult to get accused of rape in fact i imagine you would have to beat the shit out of her and have your DNA all over her to get a conviction. also if she was drunk here the courts would probably say well you were drunk so your a whore for drinking and going to bars in the first place.

[Samseau]

(11-08-2012 09:16 PM)bacon Wrote:  

when i lived in the US i also used a hidden cam which was annoying but in the event i faced charges IT IS YOUR BEST DEFENSE.

What kind of hidden cam did you use?

[deepcov3r]

(05-30-2012 07:41 AM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 01:23 AM)houston Wrote:  

It might even be a good idea to have a cheap ass pay as you go phone for dealing with lizards. They don't put it under your name, anyone can get one, your address isn't on file, no contracts, etc. Keep your real phone for family, friends, business, etc.

Thing is though, if you're under investigation without knowing it (and all they have to go on is a phone number), then surely the authorities can track it.

Tip for the fellas that I already use - never use your real name with chicks. I've been a lot of names over the years, mostly so if I knock some broad up, she'll have a harder time tracking me for child support.

re: phone--if you paid in cash what would they trace it to? the only thing I can think of is if they can deduce the serial number of the phone from the phone number, they'd have to figure out vendor, where it might have been sold, go to the store, look through the cash register sales and find the serial, then try to match the time of sale with the camera feed in the store. I could see them doing that for a murder or something really bad but a woman complaining with no obvious injuries? Wear sunglasses and a baseball cap when you buy the phone? .Also they could tell where you use the phone from tower triangulation so you shouldn't use it at home or work or where people could look at a composite drawing and ID you. Pretty hairy.

[T and A Man]

(11-08-2012 08:34 PM)Ehnulo Wrote:  

Be careful with the video camera recordings. I know recording a phone call in most states is illegal (& inadmisable in court) without consent during the call. I'd be surprised if using a hidden video camera to record sex without her consent was admisable.

Have sex in your garage.

Say you put the camera there to protect against auto-theft.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

Looking back at vorkuta's, athlone's, and teh skeeze's stories and Im thinking WOW! Glad you guys are okay for the most part. These are the types of threads I really appreciate, not because I like raping girls, I dont condone that shit nor does anyone else on this forum, but because of our shared experiences, stories, and advice bring us closer together as a group. Hope this post wasnt too . Anyway

[CMan0928]

This is awful stuff. I'm sorry you guys had to experience that BS. I'm glad you all pulled through, however. There's no doubt that some of these stories will be rattling around in my head the next time I go out and try and pull some kind of move. I guess it's the same feeling a surfer has when he knows there was someone else attacked the day before at the very same beach he surfs at. It's always in the back of your head from then on.

[Merenguero]

(05-29-2012 06:06 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I was accused of rape back in February.

I had met a girl off a contact thread on 4chan (should have been a red flag right there).

She contacted me on skype and we hit it off fairly quick. Turned out we lived 20 minutes apart and decided to meet up that weekend.

I meet her at a park and we bullshit for a little bit, but I knew she was really there to hook up. So I made my move some 15 minutes after meeting her. After a few hours of hanging out in the woods and messing around (kissing and playing with her tits) we decide to go to her house. We watched some movies and ended the night with me eating her out and getting a blowjob.

We continue to talk on skype just about everyday (red flag number 2) and decide to hang out the next Friday. This time I cavemaned it and stuck it in raw. Turned out she was on her period, so we stopped because she was uncomfortable. I cleaned up and she finished me off in her mouth (she swallows). After that I hang out with her for 5 hours watching TV and movies until she goes out to meet up with a friend.

She contacts me later that night. I ask her if she had a good time and she said yes. We talk for maybe a half hour and she goes to bed. The next morning I contact her. She goes to take a shower and when she comes back she says "You know you raped me right?"

At first I play it off as a joke, I did meet her off of 4chan afterall, and during previous conversations she was asking me if I would choke her during sex. After she says "If I told my father, he would kill you" I knew she wasn't joking and I stop talking to her and save our entire internet correspondence. She told me not to worry because she wasn't going to tell anybody, but I knew better.

Two days later I get a phone call from her. I don't know why I picked up the phone, but I did. She says "Why did you rape me? You know I didn't want to have sex until after I got on birth control. You heard me say NO. I want you to apologize." I went into POW mode and said "If this is why you called me I'm hanging up". I didn't know if she was recording or not. She said "Fine, bye".

The next morning I have a detective from her town and a detective from the county knocking on my door. "We have a little matter we'd like to discuss with you. Mind coming down with us?"

I gave them some bullshit about having to run some errands for my family before coming down and agree to meet them in a few hours. I'm shitting bricks at this point. What the fuck am I going to do? I didn't rape her, but it's a he said/she said story and I could certainly be arrested.

I go down to meet the detectives at the County Prosecutor's office. The County detective meets me and she starts making small talk with me. She's trying to get me comfortable with talking to her so I'll be more likely to talk when they put the heat on. We get into the interrogation room and the town detective is there and he's got his arms crossed and a scowl on his face. As far as he's concerned, I'm guilty. The female detective is leading the questioning and it's mostly small talk. I notice that she has her shirt unbuttoned and her bra is hanging out. She was quite attractive and I wonder if it was a ploy to see if my sexual deviance would show.

After about 5 minutes of nothing, she puts my Miranda Rights in front of me.

Miranda Rights
After reading and hearing your rights do you understand them? Yes
After reading and hearing your rights do you wish to continue the conversation? No

"NO? Well, since you asked for a lawyer, we legally can't continue this conversation (trying to make me feel bad)"

"Please wait here a minute."

They leave the room and come back a moment later. I ask if I'm free to go, and I am. I never contacted a lawyer because I can't afford one. I haven't heard from them since. The funny part is, the cops never told me why they wanted to question me, and I never asked because I already knew.

My mistake was talking with her too much. I built a comfort level with her that was in contrast to who I actually am.

These are my impressions as to what happened here. I see a drastic difference between the way you are describing this girl's behavior one day after the sex and two days after the sex. My guess is she has some serious psychological and/or substance abuse issues and she is not considered to be credible in her community. You stated that a municipal detective was involved in this. You probably know very well that if you live in New Jersey, many, many people within the city, borough, township, or town in which you live will know you and will know your reputation very well. My guess is that this girl has a bit of a negative reputation in her hometown and that the municipal police realized that and upon seeing how you conducted yourself, they realized that her claims were false and decided not to pursue you. It is interesting, however that the male detective, who was the municipal detective and who would have been more likely to have known this girl, was the one who appears to have had it in for you more than the female detective.

Getting you to voluntarily go to the County Prosecutor's Office is a tactic which is sometimes used. Since you weren't under arrest and since you went there voluntarily, they could possibly ask you questions without Mirandizing you and may be able to get away with it. Some people may tell you that it was a mistake for you to go there voluntarily. I actually do not believe that it was a mistake. By showing your face there, you avoided any suspicion that you were being evasive. You answered some questions, which from what you are writing were merely small talk and did not answer any questions which could possibly incriminate you. I think overall you handled the situation very well.

[teh_skeeze]

Thank you for the compliment. I honestly don't think she's a bad girl. She would probably be my bottom bitch right now if she didn't do this. She was a senior in high school, something I didn't mention in the story, but has more to do with it than anything else. I have a feeling it was her little beta herb friend that convinced her that I raped her because she probably felt a little slutty because we weren't "official". The hamster didn't hit terminal velocity until the next morning.

Considering that the county detective was involved, I don't think reputation had much to do with it. What ruined her credibility was the fact that she waited 3 days to notify the police about the incident. The reason the male cop was against me was the fact that I was 28 at the time (11 year difference with a girl that is just about 18 is a huge no-no in a lot of "men's" eyes).

You are absolutely right about voluntarily going to the police myself. When I told my father that I was going to see them he said I should have told them to go fuck themselves. While the result may have been the same, I feel it would have put me under more scrutiny (cop hamster if you will). I knew that I wasn't going to say shit to them, I just went in good faith.

Most false rape cases end up in court because the man voluntarily talks. It's human nature for people to try and talk their way out of trouble, and the pigs know this and use it against you. Like I said, this wasn't my first rodeo.

There are certainly mistakes that I made during the course of my interaction with her. I have self reflected and hope to not make the same mistakes twice. All I can do is share my experience so that you guys can learn. I'm sure there are some guys here that don't have the ability to withstand the blue heat.

On the bright side, I don't shit myself every time a car comes up to my end of the street anymore.

[Merenguero]

(11-09-2012 11:56 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

What ruined her credibility was the fact that she waited 3 days to notify the police about the incident.

Most false rape cases end up in court because the man voluntarily talks. It's human nature for people to try and talk their way out of trouble, and the pigs know this and use it against you. Like I said, this wasn't my first rodeo.

One of the first things I ever do when analyzing a criminal case is look at the time between when the incident occurred and when it is reported. In my opinion, it always looks bad if a person waits days, weeks, or months to report an incident and/or file charges. I always bring that up on cross examination if the case goes to trial. There is some obscure theory that sex crimes are often not immediately reported for a variety or reasons, but I don't really see the distinction, nor do many judges.

Many cases, not just false rape cases, end up in court because the accused person talks. They were just seeing if you were stupid enough to say the wrong thing. You obviously weren't.

[michelin]

I agree with bacon that this problem is much bigger in the US than anywhere else, although the PC thing and false RA are quickly becoming a global issue