[The Duke]

(03-24-2012 09:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also a lot of girls here don't drink at all, or just one drink. It's fucked up my whole dating progression. I've never done so many coffee shop dates in my life. And we know that even if a coffee shop date goes well, the odds of sex or even a kiss is very low.

Are you meet them near your flat? Are you letting them know you live nearby in the beginning of the coffee date? After sitting with them for two hours (not longer) are you asking them if they'd like to visit your flat -- you say this in a way like the date might be over if she says no. Like if she wants to continue the date, it's time to move to the next place.

Try to meet at a pub for a drink. If they would rather meet a coffee shop, then that might be a sign that she's wanting to go slow (no sex that night).

I usually only got one or two drinks in the girl at a pub next to my flat. One drink during two hours of sitting -- no kissing necessary at the pub, then back to my flat. If she came back to the flat, sex was probable.

Also, I'm not sure if you are doing this or not, but I usually danced & made out (at least a kiss) the girl the night I met her.

A challenge is good in a way, right? Any date, even a coffee date is a start. If a girl is dating you, it's just a matter of time before she puts out. I had one girl in Ukraine take eight dates -- the other girls (three to be precise) took only one date. Only one of these girls got drunk. IMO, getting a girl loaded on drinks does not need to be part of your progression in the FSU.

[Spartan]

(03-24-2012 08:14 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 09:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also a lot of girls here don't drink at all, or just one drink. It's fucked up my whole dating progression. I've never done so many coffee shop dates in my life. And we know that even if a coffee shop date goes well, the odds of sex or even a kiss is very low.

Are you meet them near your flat? Are you letting them know you live nearby in the beginning of the coffee date? After sitting with them for two hours (not longer) are you asking them if they'd like to visit your flat -- you say this in a way like the date might be over if she says no. Like if she wants to continue the date, it's time to move to the next place.

Try to meet at a pub for a drink. If they would rather meet a coffee shop, then that might be a sign that she's wanting to go slow (no sex that night).

I usually only got one or two drinks in the girl at a pub next to my flat. One drink during two hours of sitting -- no kissing necessary at the pub, then back to my flat. If she came back to the flat, sex was probable.

Also, I'm not sure if you are doing this or not, but I usually danced & made out (at least a kiss) the girl the night I met her.

A challenge is good in a way, right? Any date, even a coffee date is a start. If a girl is dating you, it's just a matter of time before she puts out. I had one girl in Ukraine take eight dates -- the other girls (three to be precise) took only one date. Only one of these girls got drunk. IMO, getting a girl loaded on drinks does not need to be part of your progression in the FSU.

Good advice here.

My first dates are always coffee dates in the center of town, and maybe go for a short walk and then end the date. Date 2 is either some place she mentions in conversation(rare) or a restaurant for one drink.


What do you recommend for progression?

[Greek kamaki]

There are no rules.First date here second date there third date bang.Different girls behave differently.With some you do not even need dates.Others put out on second date,others on third and others never(waiting for serious proposition).It is quite obvious what happens girls will tell you straight in Ukraine.There are no mind games like with polish girls(where girl may tell you I need to know you first better in order to kiss you and next minute she gives a BJ or she might say you need to marry me before having sex and next day she opens her legs).

[Greek kamaki]

(03-24-2012 07:07 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

Are there a fair amount of long haired guys,guys wearing beards around or is your look a novelty for the ladies?

Are girls in the club going for a certain look?

I know the cropped hair ,leather jacket look with optional gold chain or bracelet is the was quite a "power" look that was usually accompanied by a hot blonde there a while back.

The best look in my opinion is the slavic gangster look(very short military style hair,dark clothes,black pointy shoes,expensive watch,accessories like golden chain).If you cannot get the whole slavic gangster look(Serbian look is ideal because Serbs possess the right posture and musculature as well) at least get the short hair,shaved face,dark clothes,black shoes and generally dress up.

[Spartan]

(03-25-2012 05:00 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 07:07 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

Are there a fair amount of long haired guys,guys wearing beards around or is your look a novelty for the ladies?

Are girls in the club going for a certain look?

I know the cropped hair ,leather jacket look with optional gold chain or bracelet is the was quite a "power" look that was usually accompanied by a hot blonde there a while back.

The best look in my opinion is the slavic gangster look(very short military style hair,dark clothes,black pointy shoes,expensive watch,accessories like golden chain).If you cannot get the whole slavic gangster look(Serbian look is ideal because Serbs possess the right posture and musculature as well) at least get the short hair,shaved face,dark clothes,black shoes and generally dress up.

Exactly the look I go for.
Except, I've found light colored clothing works well sometimes. Black clothes can be intimidating and light grey dress pants, with either a classic or Ukrainian style shirt (floral pattern, grey/black/white) can work well. Still not very colorful, but lighter colors do have their place especially in the spring/summer. Ever see the TV show "Burn Notice"? A lot of what the main character wears would work well.

An example:





Watch

Now about the watch- I have a gold colored watch from a decent company, but not very expensive. Its a classic look

I also have an Armani watch...but its more modern (square body, simple colors).

What would you recommend? I think the cheaper watch would actually be better simply because the girls(provincial industrial shithole) will not understand the modern style.

Cheaper watch




Armani

[Greek kamaki]

Yes,the cheaper watch looks better there.

[Greek kamaki]

From my experience the night game in Ukrainian province is not very fruitful.It is rather good in Kiev.For example in Dnipropetrovsk by night game I ran exclusively upon gold diggers.In Lvov I pulled by ladies nights 100% but the other days were harder.In Donetsk I did not like the situation at all too many pumped up dudes and serious threats all around(Donetsk is the center of Donbass mafia).So I really do not know if night game is advisable except in Kiev of course(there the standards are different).Even in Crimea resorts night game did not work so good.
In small cities like Ternopil night game is almost impossible and really a disaster since clubs are too small and everyone knows each other.The classic venues I had success were the central square where I fished companies of women and brought them to club afterwards and the university area which is always a goldmine(of course you have to justify your presence in the university area somehow).
Kiev is a full day and night activity you get on 3-4 internet dates everyday,you pick up on Kreshatik and later at night in clubs.Kiev has so many options is is insane.You live there in full.
Province is in my opinion good only for the very experienced hunters with knowledge of Russian who want to spend less and or get some high quality hotties or more girlfriend experience which you do not get so much in Kiev(it is more impersonal).To game only in clubs in province it is serious mistake if I did this I would cripple myself 70%.
Night clubs in province are so to say an illusion.You see some top notch hotties but they are not available for fucking.However I cannot transfer fully my experience because some days can be very good especially if students or girls from other cities enter the club.

[Partizan]

(03-25-2012 04:25 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

From my experience the night game in Ukrainian province is not very fruitful.It is rather good in Kiev.For example in Dnipropetrovsk by night game I ran exclusively upon gold diggers.In Lvov I pulled by ladies nights 100% but the other days were harder.In Donetsk I did not like the situation at all too many pumped up dudes and serious threats all around(Donetsk is the center of Donbass mafia).So I really do not know if night game is advisable except in Kiev of course(there the standards are different).Even in Crimea resorts night game did not work so good.
In small cities like Ternopil night game is almost impossible and really a disaster since clubs are too small and everyone knows each other.The classic venues I had success were the central square where I fished companies of women and brought them to club afterwards and the university area which is always a goldmine(of course you have to justify your presence in the university area somehow).
Kiev is a full day and night activity you get on 3-4 internet dates everyday,you pick up on Kreshatik and later at night in clubs.Kiev has so many options is is insane.You live there in full.
Province is in my opinion good only for the very experienced hunters with knowledge of Russian who want to spend less and or get some high quality hotties or more girlfriend experience which you do not get so much in Kiev(it is more impersonal).To game only in clubs in province it is serious mistake if I did this I would cripple myself 70%.
Night clubs in province are so to say an illusion.You see some top notch hotties but they are not available for fucking.However I cannot transfer fully my experience because some days can be very good especially if students or girls from other cities enter the club.

Regarding the provinces, I found a similar situation but this time in Russia. Outside of Moscow and StP you are entering a different world. If it wasnt for a couple of ex Russian army guys that I was with and who were known as locals, I could have been jumped on by the flatheads. Kiev is your best bet in terms of safety and openness. That said, a few years ago I was in a packed disco/bar just outside Belgrade full of locals (many refugees from Croatia and Bosnia). Being the only foreigner in the place and Irish, naturally enough the locals were curious but in a friendly way. I was with a couple of local dudes who watched my back just in case. Anyway to cut a long story short, I was engaging in friendly banter with the barman, joking and laughing when all of sudden a huge fight breaks out on the dancefloor, bottles, chairs, and a friggin shootout. Later I found out it was all over a woman. This is quite common in the Balkans, provincial Serbia, Macedonia and Bulgaria where I lived.

Moral of the story, the Greek is right. When off the beaten track never take anything for granted. Exercise caution.

[Greek kamaki]

Yes,in Balkans the blood is boiling as we say here.One wrong move and the storm starts.I have described the situation in Bulgaria with guys having necks like ox necks and in Serbia with biceps of size ox thighs.(I think they were developed parallel the more the Serbian biceps became bigger the more the Bulgarian neck became fatter).As we say here in Balkans it is not play and laugh.

As for Russians they can be utter bullies in province.I remember I was in a small city waiting for my model looking girlfriend to appear and two flatheads in cafe started giving me strange looks.By the time she came I stood up and pushed her outside the cafe before she fully entered the door.The two flatheads had stood up as well.I told her to move immediately away and later came to join her in square.
Generally Russians respect only Russians and other Slavs.If you are not a Slav you can get in trouble in Russia they can change their attitude 180 degrees in a second.They are masters in surprise.They are also much more aggressive than Ukrainians too many are drunk and constantly bully the others.In Russia a guy needs box to survive they challenge you all the time.Ukraine is very soft compared to Russia and Belarus is also soft.Ukraine is nothing it is like a very europeanized soft Russia the only danger there are some scams.In Russia you always worry how to get out it is a relief when you get out because Russians make everything difficult.(easy things you can bribe for in Ukraine are not available in Russia).
Russians do not help you at all especially in bureucracy issues.It is true shit.In Russia a guy has to be like a bear to stand all this nonsense and burden you have to push your way through all the time being rude impolite and without any concern for the others.

[americanInEurope]

(03-16-2012 11:10 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's hard. Night game, anyway.

The initial approach is going fine... I'm getting warm responses. Girls ask me where I'm from, etc. But the conversations are crapping out and I can't figure out why. It doesn't help that the girls don't really talk much, because of both a language barrier and their shy nature.

6s and lower are easy. 8s and 9s seem impossible to pull from the club. I don't see other guys doing it. 7s are a mixed bag, sometimes easy, sometimes hard. One night stands... forget it.

It's not as bad as Latvia, but somewhat similar. I feel like I'm hitting a lot of foul balls. So I am making contact with the ball, but not rounding the bases. Unless the girl is REALLY into me from the beginning, I have no idea what the optimum game is.

It's also not about making it rain or buying girls drinks. There are rich guys who floss but don't pull either.

When you don't see other guys in the club pulling the type of girl you want, it's hard to know what to try.

Sometimes you're on fire, sometimes you're not. Your optimum is whatever you say it is.

This is why it's important to have a non girl related hobby. Something to get getting pussy out of your headspace. Mine is music. Making music, listening to music, playing music live, etc. Sometimes staying at home and making a track is just as cool as going out to the club.

Once you're pumped up and feeling good about yourself from your hobby, go out and try again. I bet you'll see better results.

[Arado]

(03-25-2012 05:06 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Yes,in Balkans the blood is boiling as we say here.One wrong move and the storm starts.I have described the situation in Bulgaria with guys having necks like ox necks and in Serbia with biceps of size ox thighs.(I think they were developed parallel the more the Serbian biceps became bigger the more the Bulgarian neck became fatter).As we say here in Balkans it is not play and laugh.

As for Russians they can be utter bullies in province.I remember I was in a small city waiting for my model looking girlfriend to appear and two flatheads in cafe started giving me strange looks.By the time she came I stood up and pushed her outside the cafe before she fully entered the door.The two flatheads had stood up as well.I told her to move immediately away and later came to join her in square.
Generally Russians respect only Russians and other Slavs.If you are not a Slav you can get in trouble in Russia they can change their attitude 180 degrees in a second.They are masters in surprise.They are also much more aggressive than Ukrainians too many are drunk and constantly bully the others.In Russia a guy needs box to survive they challenge you all the time.Ukraine is very soft compared to Russia and Belarus is also soft.Ukraine is nothing it is like a very europeanized soft Russia the only danger there are some scams.In Russia you always worry how to get out it is a relief when you get out because Russians make everything difficult.(easy things you can bribe for in Ukraine are not available in Russia).
Russians do not help you at all especially in bureucracy issues.It is true shit.In Russia a guy has to be like a bear to stand all this nonsense and burden you have to push your way through all the time being rude impolite and without any concern for the others.

This has generally been my experience, even in Moscow. There is less threat of violence, but the hostility is palpable, especially if you're not white.

[Spartan]

VIP Status on MAMBA

Do you guys pay for it? Is it helpful?

I got it for free by getting my friends to "sign up" for mamba. (In reality I made fake facebook and mamba accounts, haha). Unfortunately, that promotion is no longer available.

Back when I had VIP, it seemed like I got some more responses..but that might be an illusion.

Have you guys tried it? I think it might help by upgrading your status (instant and easy DHV) but it could also hurt by attracting goldiggers. Many of the guys with VIP that I see are either oligarch/gangsters or Westerners looking for sponsorettes.

[Roosh]

I rolled VIP on mamba. It's pretty helpful, though not necessary. I think it was 10 bucks or something... pretty trivial cost to try it.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-27-2012 07:07 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I rolled VIP on mamba. It's pretty helpful, though not necessary. I think it was 10 bucks or something... pretty trivial cost to try it.

My playmate told me that they are not permitting any new registrations from 16 and 17yr olds register on Mamba anymore

[Deb Auchery]

(03-24-2012 08:14 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 09:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also a lot of girls here don't drink at all, or just one drink. It's fucked up my whole dating progression. I've never done so many coffee shop dates in my life. And we know that even if a coffee shop date goes well, the odds of sex or even a kiss is very low.

Are you meet them near your flat? Are you letting them know you live nearby in the beginning of the coffee date? After sitting with them for two hours (not longer) are you asking them if they'd like to visit your flat -- you say this in a way like the date might be over if she says no. Like if she wants to continue the date, it's time to move to the next place.

Try to meet at a pub for a drink. If they would rather meet a coffee shop, then that might be a sign that she's wanting to go slow (no sex that night).

I usually only got one or two drinks in the girl at a pub next to my flat. One drink during two hours of sitting -- no kissing necessary at the pub, then back to my flat. If she came back to the flat, sex was probable.

Also, I'm not sure if you are doing this or not, but I usually danced & made out (at least a kiss) the girl the night I met her.

A challenge is good in a way, right? Any date, even a coffee date is a start. If a girl is dating you, it's just a matter of time before she puts out. I had one girl in Ukraine take eight dates -- the other girls (three to be precise) took only one date. Only one of these girls got drunk. IMO, getting a girl loaded on drinks does not need to be part of your progression in the FSU.

I'm quite happy with the way my coffee dates are going, I would estimate I end up kissing 60% of my dates, and fucking 30%(eventually).

I have never taken a girl for alcohol on a first date, it's more conservative here in the not-so-wild west, i'm worried that taking them for a beer will make them think i'm a rapist.

That said I might start asking them to meet for a alcoholic drink and see how it goes.

[Greek kamaki]

In Lvov it is different.Girls do not ask for much.They do not order double triple cocktails like they do in Kiev nor will take you to expensive sushi restaurant.In Lvov you can have date in fast food which is unconceivable in Kiev.So a coffee date has value in Lvov it is not the situation in eastern Ukraine Donbass and Kiev.

[oldnemesis]

(03-25-2012 05:07 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Sometimes you're on fire, sometimes you're not. Your optimum is whatever you say it is.

It is a little different. It is more the kind of frustration when you think you finally figured things out, and - oops - the next several interactions trash your theory completely. That's how it feels here in US.

[Roosh]

Met a girl and for the first date she wants to go bowling.

[Subotai]

(03-27-2012 08:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Met a girl and for the first date she wants to go bowling.

Believe it or not, bowling is considered a moderately classy thing to do over there. It's not for construction workers and truck drivers like it is in the US.

Some of the bowling alleys in Kiev or Moscow are almost like fancy nightclubs with the way the interior is done; Bowl America it's not.

It made me laugh, but that's the way it is.

They serve fancy drinks at the bowling alleys too.. it might not be such a bad thing... get her a couple strong drinks and you might be good to go.

[oldnemesis]

(03-27-2012 08:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Met a girl and for the first date she wants to go bowling.

That's kind of upscale date there. How much is the bowling there nowadays? It wasn't cheap a few years ago, and the food/drinks were outrageously expensive (something like $6 for a beer)

[Deb Auchery]

She would have to be an 8+ for me to take her bowling, quite a nice idea though.

Bowling alley is out of town here, involves a taxi which does not make it viable.

[Roosh]

Bowling would fuck up my logistics. I don't know where it is. It could be close to HER house for all I know. I can't give her the keys to date planning before sex.

[Brian]

(03-27-2012 08:06 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Met a girl and for the first date she wants to go bowling.

lol..that actually happened to me in Bulgaria. it was fun, it gives you something to do, and drinking is easy when you bowl. I got the bang on date 3 w/her.

[The Fantasist]

You have a bowling place there?! That disqualifies it from being an industrial shit hole in my eyes. The only entertainment options in a true industrial shit hole is watching Gopniki drowning kittens or seeing an Azerbaijani fruit seller getting his head kicked in by some right wing thugs. Your town must have delusions of grandeur : )

[Greek kamaki]

Logistics do not matter at all in Ukraine.If a girl is interested in fucking she will come to apartment no matter how far away it is.In one extreme case a girl told me to come by taxi close to her home which happened to be at least 30 minutes by taxi ride away.Then we got to a restaurant about 15 minutes of taxi ride and after that she told me she wanted to come to my apartment.When I confronted her ‘’why did you not come close to me as I suggested I would have avoided the 30 minutes taxi route to and back she told me:’’I wanted to see you first to feel safe.’’

So a date in close proximity to her house is not bad at all even if the final destination will be totally different.As for bowling it probably is expensive for her and wants a guy to sponsor it or she has curiosity how an American will handle it how Americans play bowling.Also in Ukraine exercise and athletic activities among girls are common.