[RougeNoir]

Former college roommate, who I talk to every blue moon.

1. He's overweight. I'd say 5'11 290.

2. Sophmore year he had an 8 as a gf until he dumped her out of the blue for nothing.

3. Very funny and hilarious. Just meeting him, you'd never guess he'd make this list.

4. He was more of a teddy bear to these girls than anything else. At the university where we went, there was a location where everyone hung out right in the middle of a main thoroughfare where hundreds walked to and from class every day. At this location, he would receive many hugs from some of the baddest women on campus that'll make an uninformed spectator say, "look at that big boy getting those dymes".

5. He has a way to make all people laugh at any time but he never translated that to sex with women. One way or another he'd get friend zoned. He's had oneitis with this one girl for at leat 6 years now who he's never even kissed and it just baffles me. Some of these women would show up to kick it with him but they'd leave the door open during the whole interaction and they would lean on him and tell him their problems especially about other men.

6. This may be the deal breaker, he has serious hygienic problems. We shared a bathroom and he would leave the bathroom with dirt in the shower and a bath ring, leave turds in the toilet, and used my towels then leave them on the floor.

I hope subscribes to this blog and forum and finally realizes his potential.

[scotian]

(03-09-2012 01:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Sounds like some of you guys need new friends. You are the company you keep, after all.

This is something I'll have to work on when I get back home, the only friends I actually liked and had a lot in common with have moved away or are married. I don't mind being alone but also enjoy other people's company, its just sucks when those other people are meat heads that I don't have much in common with.

[soup]

(03-09-2012 01:27 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Sounds like some of you guys need new friends. You are the company you keep, after all.

There is truth to this. I had a big break with all my friends from high school because none of them had the drive that I had to go for girls.

I even outgrew my friend who introduced me to the game community. We used to go out a lot to pick up girls, but I ended up having more success by running solo.

[el mechanico]

The guy that works for me refuses to date or get laid because it could possibly cost him dinner out or drinks. A slam dunk came in the shop and he met her after work, drove her around in his Cobra then he dropped her off even though she said her panties were wet from the high speed driving. I told him..You better or I will. He said go for it I don't want to spend any money.

Ali-b was sleeping at the switch when she came in or else he would have been able to hit it within an hour.

I destroyed it not long after.

I can't even begin to describe the clowns that I hang out with here.

Even worse are my friends in Connecticut. It's hard enough up there with game. Some of these dudes are on dryspells since highschool class of 87.

I had a roomate once that had these girls over every night and they would get stoned and leave. They would show up at my parties and just sit there and wait for someone to share weed and leave. He did this friend zone thing for a couple years and finally met some girl and went holy roller and got married.

Then there's Dave or "Natty" as we call him. This dude lives with his mom and plays handyman in a retirement village. He's been living off of beer for 20 years and tries to trade his master craftsman woodwork skills for pussy from 70+ year olds and still gets blown out.

Did you guys know there was a mental hospital in my town that closed up? where do you think these dudes ended up?
It used to be Al capones mansion then turned crazy house for privileged kids.

So we have dudes running around here that are on lifelong dryspells. One comes to mind named Will. this dude falls in love with every girl he meets then go full insane beta. When she rejects him he tries to commit suicide. He jumped on the high voltage power transfer lines once and it shot a bolt of electrical threw his body then to the ground and lived. I saw the newspaper article.

This dude wacks off so much he gives himself STDs and goes to the clinic. True.

[Chapped3rdEye]

Good friend of mine is probably the biggest example of a turnaround I've seen.
In junior high / high school he had ridiculous amounts of girls. Perpetually putting the mac down. He was fucking good looking girls in the 8th grade. Definitely on the cocky/fearless plan... I remember an incident where his gf at the time was talking on the phone for too long so he took his erect cock out and started hitting her in the head with it. Shit like that.

He gradually fell off the poon wagon...went from having a harem to rapid fire serial monogamy to generally having a gf to occasionally having a gf to subsisting on rare hookups with marginal (4-6s) females.

Contributory issues:
- Refuses to go out to bars/clubs and even house parties. General quasi-hermit modus operandi.
- Smokes weed and plays computer games all the time. He's always done this, but it's a lot cooler when you're 15.
- Doesn't exercise or put much effort into appearance

[Samseau]

(03-09-2012 06:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

The guy that works for me refuses to date or get laid because it could possibly cost him dinner out or drinks. A slam dunk came in the shop and he met her after work, drove her around in his Cobra then he dropped her off even though she said her panties were wet from the high speed driving. I told him..You better or I will. He said go for it I don't want to spend any money.

Ali-b was sleeping at the switch when she came in or else he would have been able to hit it within an hour.

I destroyed it not long after.

I can't even begin to describe the clowns that I hang out with here.

Even worse are my friends in Connecticut. It's hard enough up there with game. Some of these dudes are on dryspells since highschool class of 87.

I had a roomate once that had these girls over every night and they would get stoned and leave. They would show up at my parties and just sit there and wait for someone to share weed and leave. He did this friend zone thing for a couple years and finally met some girl and went holy roller and got married.

Then there's Dave or "Natty" as we call him. This dude lives with his mom and plays handyman in a retirement village. He's been living off of beer for 20 years and tries to trade his master craftsman woodwork skills for pussy from 70+ year olds and still gets blown out.

Did you guys know there was a mental hospital in my town that closed up? where do you think these dudes ended up?
It used to be Al capones mansion then turned crazy house for privileged kids.

So we have dudes running around here that are on lifelong dryspells. One comes to mind named Will. this dude falls in love with every girl he meets then go full insane beta. When she rejects him he tries to commit suicide. He jumped on the high voltage power transfer lines once and it shot a bolt of electrical threw his body then to the ground and lived. I saw the newspaper article.

This dude wacks off so much he gives himself STDs and goes to the clinic. True.

Dude, guys, WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU FIND THESE PEOPLE? The supply of betas is limitless!


The worst story I can think of is from a buddy of mine who took out school loans to move into an apartment with the first girl he banged off OK Cupid. They broke up a year later and he had to move back into his Mom's house. He was 25.


My other best beta friend just got dumped by his girlfriend, and asked me to help him go out and approach women. I agreed, and took him out. I would open a set. When it was time to pull him into the conversation, I'd turn around only to find out he had disappeared. He's completely unable to approach a woman. He's almost 26.

[Tuthmosis]

Great thread. I could start a whole forum with the stories of guys I've known.

(Interesting Consistency: It's interesting how many of these guys are habitual weed smokers. Not necessarily causation, but I wonder if there's some correlation here.)

Beta Friend 1:
-Hilarious guy with average looks
-Played on same sports teams with me
-Super smart, went to good college
-Met fatty there, who didn't look bad at the time, but was definitely on the pudge side
-She progressively got fatter
-She reached peak weight at wedding; enormous in wedding pics
-Might be the only girl he's only banged; possibly one other, but I'm not too sure
-Lives vicariously through my stories
-(Redeeming quality: the fatty has mad cash)

Beta Friend 2:
-Super funny guy with above-average height and some looks-potential
-Stops being funny the moment a girl in the vicinity
-Horrible cockblocker; climbs over you to talk to girl(s) you open
-Hovers around your approaches; creeps out prospects
-Sometimes makes jokes, at your expense, to your approaches
-Yet somehow always meeting super-cute girls; doesn't know what do
-Implores you for advice on getting them
-Has the audacity to then argue with you about your solid, proven game
-Finally accepts that you're right
-Never implements any of your advice
-Habitually friend-zoned, LJBF'd
-Gets mad when you swoop up girls in his circles that he's been crushing
-Got laid like 18 months ago, after a several-year drought

Beta Friend 3:
-Nerdy guy with a nice-guy vibe
-Banged a few chubby cute girls when he was single; thinks it makes him an expert
-Always giving unsolicited dating advice; including to me
-Sends out beta dating articles written by women to his friends
-Married an average-looking girl he met on a dating site
-She was a fatty when he met her, but he slimmed her down over time
-Dude is always horny and talking about other women (beyond the normal amount that any dude is; super thirsty)
-Always saying how he "would bang" this girl or that girl, but never approaches

[el mechanico]

Weed is a game killer. I need 5 drinks to smoke it or my game goes bye bye. It's cost many lays

[Caligula]

(03-09-2012 02:09 PM)houston Wrote:  

I've noticed that guys who think they're much more intelligent than everyone are usually real bad with girls. A lot of know it alls.

This comes down to the toxic mix of intelligence and poor social skills. If you're smart and have good social skills you pick your battles and don't act like an abrasive dickhead about showing people up.

With real intelligence comes some level of humility.

[el mechanico]

(03-09-2012 07:31 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 02:09 PM)houston Wrote:  

I've noticed that guys who think they're much more intelligent than everyone are usually real bad with girls. A lot of know it alls.

This comes down to the toxic mix of intelligence and poor social skills. If you're smart and have good social skills you pick your battles and don't act like an abrasive dickhead about showing people up.

With real intelligence comes some level of humility.

Mom says..That guys an intellectual idiot. That phrase has stuck in my head my whole life.

[germanico]

Guy 1:
-Alcoholic, gets drunk every day
-Has amazing social skills, which he cant capitalize upon because he is always shit-faced.
-Only goes out with obese women or those with mental issues, because those are the only ones that put up with his shit.
-Even then, he doesnt fucks them, because of his fear of them getting pregnant.
-Has no job, lives with his parents.

Guy 2:
-Dresses like shit with shorts and sport team shirts.
-Doesnt goes out.
-Doesnt socializes outside of his regular circle (of fatties and betas)
-When he does goes out, he gets drunk.
-When he gets drunk, he goes on and on about his "game" and how his "strategy" can land him any women he wants in his circle (of fatties and betas)
-Cockblocks (and then says its "part of the game")

[brianmark]

(03-09-2012 01:11 PM)scotian Wrote:  

I work with a lot of guys who don't get laid very often, they're all blue collar, trades type guys and they all:

-Have little life experiences outside of work, many begin working like dogs at 18 and never take more than a week off at a time.
-They work so much (60-90 hrs/week) that they don't have any other interests, all they talk about is work.
-The only things outside of work they know about are trucks, ATVs and hunting
-They have no style at all, don't read, drink a lot and basically act like meat head cavemen.

All of these guys I know work in the oil industry so they make a tonne of money but they blow it all on hard partying, material things and rarely, if ever travel or do things to better themselves and make themselves more well rounded people, sad really.

Somebody needs to send them down to a whore house in Mexico, Costa Rica, or anywhere and let them find out what pussy feels like. Maybe that would help them!

[scotian]

El Mechanico, is that the same guy who goes online to look up how cheap other people are so he can use their techniques?

[esperar]

This is a good thread for guys like me to read so I can avoid being "this guy."

[Fredo_Corleone]

My guy is a good looking 32 year old with a job.

His Problem: He lives with his girlfriend and he thinks he needs to be faithful.

He has told me flat out they only have had sex like 6 times in the year they have been together. WTF

Also, when he goes out girls pretty much tell him they want to screw him, but his response is always that "I have a girlfriend"

Now that I think about it, he might be the most beta dude that I know.

The problem is I don't want to preach to him, because I worry it could strain our relationship, even make me look bad.

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[Gmac]

(03-09-2012 02:21 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

My friend (over 20, virgin and never kissed a girl either) is a really good person, kind, hard-working, calm and polite. Interesting speaker with a good sense of humor and plays the guitar. He is tall with an average body and face. His idea of getting close to the girl slowly and planning romantic stuff with her inevitably results in friendzones over and over. Also religious, not fanatically but what you might call a "true believer" who really takes care to adhere to his tenets, but the girls from his church are just as slutty as ordinary ones.

It really hurts me to watch him being tortured again and again. If he were only born some 40-50 years earlier, he would have lived a happy and fulfilled life. It's a sign of how savage our society has become in only a few decades.

I didn't lose my virginity into nearly halfway into my 20s. Don't be so quick to judge. People can change.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I certainly hope so. But when he was introduced to game in general, Bang and etc. (through me), he said that "it's nice but I don't want to play those games, I want a nice girl who will like me for who I am..." guess what, he still hasn't found one.

Your words give me hope though.

[Parlay44]

(03-10-2012 08:35 AM)Fredo_Corleone Wrote:  

My guy is a good looking 32 year old with a job.

His Problem: He lives with his girlfriend and he thinks he needs to be faithful.

He has told me flat out they only have had sex like 6 times in the year they have been together. WTF

Also, when he goes out girls pretty much tell him they want to screw him, but his response is always that "I have a girlfriend"

Now that I think about it, he might be the most beta dude that I know.

The problem is I don't want to preach to him, because I worry it could strain our relationship, even make me look bad.

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Part of my girlfriend criteria is sex like 3 times a week at least. I'd rather be free otherwise. I don't tolerate women withholding sex. That's bs.

[el mechanico]

(03-09-2012 08:53 PM)scotian Wrote:  

El Mechanico, is that the same guy who goes online to look up how cheap other people are so he can use their techniques?

Yeah that's him. Why did Fredo get banned?

[Tuthmosis]

(03-11-2012 12:06 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Yeah that's him. Why did Fredo get banned?

Like the real Fredo Corleone, he probably betrayed the family.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-09-2012 09:25 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I think this thread needs some simple solutions as well. Person I knew who got laid the least was myself 5 years ago.

1. 110lbs (I'm over 5'9"), acne still, mushroom haircut, unfitted clothes.
Solution: massive weight lifting, went to a dermatologist, asked a salon to redo my hair based on my facial structure, found a stylist online paid him $50 to give me brands + style advise over Skype. This last one probably saved me money from buying whack clothing.

(snip)

7. Why me and excuse syndrome. Oh if I looked like this or had this $$$ or had xyz I would be rolling with women. Then I would see a few average dudes with hot girls and think "oh he must be paying for that or he must be blah blah". All that was just sad. Of course not everything is perfect but grow up man. If you think someone gets someone bc of looks/money you're still too insecure about your own game. Always exceptions, but be the exception of the avg dude with a 8+ on his arm 24/7.

[Skyhigh]

(03-10-2012 10:02 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 02:21 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

My friend (over 20, virgin and never kissed a girl either) is a really good person, kind, hard-working, calm and polite. Interesting speaker with a good sense of humor and plays the guitar. He is tall with an average body and face. His idea of getting close to the girl slowly and planning romantic stuff with her inevitably results in friendzones over and over. Also religious, not fanatically but what you might call a "true believer" who really takes care to adhere to his tenets, but the girls from his church are just as slutty as ordinary ones.

It really hurts me to watch him being tortured again and again. If he were only born some 40-50 years earlier, he would have lived a happy and fulfilled life. It's a sign of how savage our society has become in only a few decades.

I didn't lose my virginity into nearly halfway into my 20s. Don't be so quick to judge. People can change.

Halfway as in 22 years old or 26 years old? I saw your pic and you are not a bad looking dude (no homo), so it kinda shocked me. How did you go from Virgin to player that quickly?

[Prowl]

LOL why do people bother to write "no homo"? It's a forum dedicated to talking about banging girls. I don't think any gay dude would stick around here long enough to rack up 64 posts.

Anyway, here are mine. These two examples are actually both community/pickup guys, as I figured I'd limit my analysis to people who are at least actually trying, but still failing more than they should. It should be noted that I genuinely like both of these people.


Dudebro 1:
-Gets really caught up in his "zone". Needs to be within a very narrow tolerance of drunkeness to feel social, if he gets too sober or gets too drunk he "falls out of frame" and writes the whole night off at like 9:30pm. Fucking ridiculous.
-Wants to stand around and wait for women to walk by him.
-Focuses too much on long elaborate storytelling, even in very loud clubs/bars.
-Talks theory in the field. This is my biggest pet peeve, GIRLS CAN HEAR YOU DUDE.
-Acts like a sad sack when he gets one rejection

Dudebro 2:
-Has a "sometimes" girlfriend, but is on pickup boards and goes out in the field with us, but then TELLS girls in sets that he has a gf, and talks about her. WAT?
-Always goes home at like 11pm. Mind you, his gf lives 3 states away, so she's not why he's going home early. Best shit always happens late, IMO.
-Makes great rapport with girls but doesn't take it sexual.
-Comes into set where I'm being playful and starts talking about a bunch of serious shit that kills the vibe.


In the interest of not just shit-talking other people, here are my own flaws, or at least the ones I can discern:
-Not approach fast enough. I approach a ton, but I'm too picky about timing and circumstance. The hottest chicks are getting picked off too quickly.
-I talk too fast, and often I talk too much.
-I give rational answers to rational questions just because my brain is getting taken by surprise. I need to slow down and be more methodical in my answers.
-I say stupid shit. I know I'm supposed to "give no fucks", but I take it a little too far. I called some girl an asshole on Tuesday and got my first fake number ever!
-I need to work on getting the girls to qualify themselves to me more. I don't do much qualifying, but then it can just go crickets. Need to turn the tables.

[Parlay44]

(03-15-2012 03:48 PM)Prowl Wrote:  

-Acts like a sad sack when he gets one rejection

-Makes great rapport with girls but doesn't take it sexual.

These were my 2 greatest issues early on. I've grown so much since those days.

[WesternCancer]

Same, I have a huge problem with not making things sexual, I think at least in non-night game scenarios its beneficial to me.

example: a few weeks ago I invited a girl i studied with sometimes back to my place after our study group went out for a few drinks. We had some drinks at my place and played angry birds(that shyt turns 19 year old girls on I swear). In the middle of it I just pounce on her. We get to banging and after she talked about how she thought I wasn't into her at all, she thought I was super innocent and couldn't figure out how I fucked so well. I think this worked because I built rapport and could definitely sense signs of attraction, but as we were always studying I didn't show any back. She came back to my place and the situation seemed like she was the one trying to get into my pants so she was comfortable being alone in my room etc. As soon as I pounced it just overwhelmed her and I encountered little resistance.


As for another example theres this guy in a few of my classes. He dresses like an old man or herb/business casual kind of deal. Generic haircut. Anyways as hes been in my classes all this year I can see him trying to approach girls. He'll stand around a bit then sit beside some girl. Awkwardly stare at them for a while and then say something to them. He was actually mimicking the way I sat/acted in class (I sit like a lazy bastard, legs up on chairs not giving a fuck) he tried that for a bit to no success, I guess he saw me as the only dude with girls on either side of him in every class.

Anyways he sits beside my group of girls today and during a class question he turns around to talk to us. The girls freeze up and when he turns away say how creepy he is etc. THEY CAN TOTALLY SENSE 'CREEPY' GUYS. I feel bad for the guy, you can tell he is trying to improve himself, but is going about it all wrong. Maybe I should give him a copy of bang, starting strength and a link to a good style blog.